Hell, look at what happened to Michael Jackson! Those two little punks admitted they lied on Michael.......AFTER he died! One said his Dad made him lie for the money.
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Uh huh JAI, now this is what I'm saying! Those women were not saints. Cosby did not go pull them off the street at knife point, drug them in the alley and raped them. What the Hell were they doing with a well known married man to begin with? They are not innocent.
The court system is not biased against men. For every woman who lies about rape, 100 more men never serve any time, much less are arrested and charged for committing it. I know about only two females who wrongly charged family members of raping them. They were under therapy by questionable people, or mentally ill. But, I personally know plenty of men who were never even arrested for rape, and that was sometimes with the help of the police. The victims were too scared of reporting them for fear or retribution or being rejected by their families. Most women in this country are given custody of children, and most me are still arrested and/or removed from the home when there is a call of domestic violence or abuse. So, don't give me that crap about how the courts discriminate against men. That sounds like those mens' groups who supported the college kid who randomly shot innocent women because he couldn't get attention from women.
I have been reading every word. You say you don't care either way, but you still seem to want to give Cosby the benefit of the doubt. I question why.Quote:
You say "connect the dots and stop trying to deny your hero is guilty." Have you not listened to a word I said [[or rather, read a word I wrote)? I don't care whether he's guilty or not. He's not my hero at all. I enjoy his acting just like I enjoy other actors and comedians. None of them are my "heroes." It's a silly notion. Because I respect the judicial process in this country I'm "trying to deny [[my) hero is guilty?" Right...
This shows me that you understand very little about behavior, much less the behavior of victims.Quote:
If I had a daughter or wife who was violated by anybody, they would have come out with immediately if it actually happened. And if I had a daughter or wife and I trusted them I would believe them and would want the violator in prison for life. But that's not what this situation is. I don't know any of the accusers. I don't know if they are trustworthy or not. Nowhere have I blamed the women for anything or said they did anything wrong. I've said that if they are lying that they would be pieces of shit. I don't know whether they are lying or not, but if any are, they deserve blame for lying about that. If they are indeed telling the truth then they wouldn't deserve blame for anything.
I'm not shocked that there are misogynists on this board. You have to understand, society has made it seem normal for men to get away with crimes like this because of their beliefs that if a woman dressed or acted a certain way, they shouldn't be taken seriously. Look how many sex workers don't get taken seriously because they report to the police that they got raped or someone was trying to kill them. Look how many women who TRIED to tell their story of being raped and no one really believed them. And this is just not because of fame, they do that to little known people too, local people.
Some have this idea that if they were presented with "evidence", then they'll believe the victims. That's a false analogy and very harming. Because even WITH the proof, the man themselves would go "oh no someone planted my DNA there" especially if they were found to have killed that woman.
So of course some here want to think Mr. "Heathcliff Huxtable", Mr. "Jello Pudding Pop", Mr. "I'm the only black person to tell you what to do, black people" can't POSSIBLY do that because of his record. PHUCK his record, he was living a damn lie! Nearly FIFTY WOMEN have said something happened to them but there's people who think all of them are "shady hoes who don't deserve to have their voice heard".
At this point, there's no way of getting through to them. They would be the same ones questioning a CHILD who said they were abused by someone. Shoot look at how they treat the people who said Michael Jackson was doing heinous things to THEM! So of course people will find a reason to defend Cosby despite the hints into his behavior: the Spanish Fly comic monologue, the "barbecue sauce" episode in the Cosby Show where everyone got horny and docile [[especially the women) after they were arguing about a woman's role and this was why discussing what should be going on in someone's bachelor party [[Theo suggested his future brother-in-law have a stripper in his party), his hypocritical comic monologues about how bad men are [[while he was doing those bad deeds himself).
But yeah 48 women are lying, right? Despite what came out of BILL COSBY'S mouth, they still don't wanna hear it. At this point, it's a moot cause. Let them believe in their fantasy that this dude is innocent. Saner minds know the truth and that is, he's guilty.
No they didn't.
They only reported ONE was lying, but he NEVER TOOK IT BACK!!! That was a LIE! Jordan Chandler never said anything. He never said his father made him lie or none of that. That's PR bullshit from the Jackson camp.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chandler.asp
And who was the "second punk"? No, no one took it back about MJ...
@midnightman...very well said...!
Given that the most recent evidence does indeed make Bill out to be the sick pervert all these
women insist him to be I won't try here or anywhere else to defend Bill Cosby. That said I
won't ignore or try to erase from memory all of the work he's done that I still appreciate and
enjoy , regardless of what some others think. He's not the first artist to abuse women, won't
be the last, and we still celebrate others who got away with for years. Still, there appear to be some people here making this out to be a forum problem when it's obvious it's nation
wide in real time. Look at all the ties being cut, plaques and statues removed. Two things
do bother me, I admit. First, I still don't get so many women not telling some one who could
have helped them somehow after so many years...Not their mothers, sisters, fathers, brothers, aunts or uncles?......Second, a lot of the things Bill used to talk about going
on with younger generations of people I still think are relevant points though I wouldn't
necessarily paint them all black...With Bill knocked down would anyone ever have the
balls to call some people on their bullshit?...I'm still seeing a lot of it everyday...
BTW, this definitely would have been better off in the clubhouse than sandwiched between
the other , you know , threads here...
What has married got to do with it? If anything, they should have been safer. These women are not saints? Next to Cosby, everyone is a saint![
If they were "asking for it" or "playing the game" they wouldn't NEED to be drugged. He's admitted using drugs to get sex and you are still vilifying the victims??? God bless you, M2!!!
QUOTE=marv2;291791]Uh huh JAI, now this is what I'm saying! Those women were not saints. Cosby did not go pull them off the street at knife point, drug them in the alley and raped them. What the Hell were they doing with a well known married man to begin with? They are not innocent.[/QUOTE]
And Mrs Camille Cosby is Bill cosbys biggest enablers. She “stopped being embarrassed long ago” smh just smh at her indifirence to this.
http://nypost.com/2015/07/12/bill-co...ium=SocialFlow
Camille an enabler? You ain't kidding!
http://thegrio.com/2015/07/12/source...drugs-and-sex/
Well, if you have to drug someone to have sex with you, you must be pretty lousy in the sack to start with. Just sayin....
I was never much of a drug user [[beyond pot and occasional ups) but I was "slipped" half of a lude in a scoop of Cold Stone peppermint because I refused to try it during a card game with buds. I realized as I got high as a kite and the laughs I was not in on that I had, in fact, been given a lude without knowing it and after an hour, requested the other half. I became, and remain, a huge admirer of Methaqualone and stick pins in my Reagan doll every night for his role in taking them off the market. They were heaven: cheap, plentiful and, for me, the ideal Saturday night or party buzz. Had I been given more than one, especially without prior use, I would prolly not be able to refuse the advances of a man that I've found creepy looking since I first laid eyes on him on "Why Is There Air?" There's a reason that vomit bag chose Ludes to give to his victims: it could easily render them defenseless. What a creepy yeech he is - I hope they do find a loophole, prosecute his ass and lock him up in civil court until he's broke and rots away.
I read about the incident with the Notre Dame student. His exact words were "a 2.6 GPA is OK, if you have a mental disorder". Not only did i graduate from Alabama with a similar GPA, I actually have a disorder [[Asperger's Syndrome). To read that about someone I'd idolized and aspired to be like someday, Dishearten doesn't even begin to describe it.
Yeah, Bill Cosby was always a d*ck, which is why I'm surprised when black folks defend his character [[like Chuck D did today on Twitter - he got railroaded for his comments too of course). A character that judgmental always got some shady background so BC was/is no different than the average politician who gets caught doing some evil stuff...
Of course it was. Camille had connections in the entertainment industry that helped Bill get ahead so quickly than he did [[which is why people like Richard Pryor and George Carlin envied him though they eventually decided to follow their own paths as counterculture pioneers in stand up).
Camille was the reason why Bill styled "The Cosby Show" the way it was because Bill's original plan was to have his Heathcliff Huxtable character be a limo driver and Clair Huxtable was a Latina [[or Puerto Rican) maid. Camille advised that Cliff be an obstetrician and Clair be a black lawyer [[enter Phylicia Rashad).
Camille was also where the money was, if Bill is to be believed, she controls the money pile and handles the PR. At one point early in their marriage, she did show some concern about Bill's ways but after a certain point "turned the other cheek". Doubt they were really in love to begin with even with five children birthed out of it.
It definitely does put things in a new light though, Robert. And I agree about the backtracking, Roberta... I hope Phylicia [[Clair) stays quiet because she embarrassed herself last year and if she repeats what she says last year, she shouldn't be taken serious either.
Whoopee Goldberg continues to defend Cosby. And this hilarious clip of her olther defenses deserves a wider audience. The clip about Cosby in this video is old, but last week, Whoopi Goldberg doubled down in her defense of Bill Cosby despite his admission in sworn testimony he gave women Quaaludes to have sex with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dkQ3t7tnds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dkQ3t7tnds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dkQ3t7tnds
Lol what would she gain by saying anything? Her shows with Cosby have been YANKED!
So many emotions from grave disappointment to anger and even slightly embarrassed for his extremely egregious actions. Why? Why? So utterly disrespectful to women......
Interesting; I knew of Camille but I was never aware of her part in his career. Slightly off the subject - I find the pictures and clips of Camille in the past few months smiling, laughing, and generally beaming as if she hasn't a care in the world, to be incredibly creepy. She could at lease maintain an appearance of gravitas ...
Camille Cosby would have nothing to worry about financially if she leaves Bill.
I too did not want to believe these charges. But I can't see all these women making up the same story with the same details. A couple of these women I still don't believe; many people jump on a money bandwagon.
When the judge released the testimony and he admitted he drugged this one young woman to have sex, that is a damning statement. There's no way around it, even if the entire transcript was not released. A yes or no question got a yes answer.
People around the country are sufficiently convinced, as I am, that Mr. Cosby has a serious problem and has been leading a double life at the expense of other innocent people. That is why statues are coming down, buildings named after him are being removed and his show pulled from the networks because we now know Cliff Huxtable was an even more fictitious character than we first thought. It would take a small miracle for him to change the perceptions. In fact...I am wondering if Mr. Cosby is on suicide watch. Would not surprise me.
How low class to repond with obscenity. Hopefully Mr Terrana will address this. Again
Janice Dickerson and that other model jumped on it,i don't believe them at all,they are jokes.Janice shes the worst,something is mental about her.
Yes, that was the name I couldn't think of. Somehow I just don't believe Dickerson
Me either BayouMotownMan,Janice Dickerson loves publicity,she'll do,or say what ever to get it smh.
Looks like Whoppie Goldberg has changed her tune a bit:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/entert...eat/index.html
Why say it in an open forum? I use that word and ones a lot stronger, but typically within my group of friends. I am aware that such language is offensive to some people and my parents raised me to have manners, I'd like to think. Profanities are acceptable when used for effect within a group that does likewise. To others, just like racial epithets, it is unacceptable.
Sorry,i don't believe Whoppie has really changed her mind,you gotta remember they know more then we know,don't believe her.