I'm guessing that the opening chart #, units sold # and ultimate sales will outpace that of any of Diana's Motown contemporaries' numbers for their most recent album.
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I'm guessing that the opening chart #, units sold # and ultimate sales will outpace that of any of Diana's Motown contemporaries' numbers for their most recent album.
I like a lot of ABBA's music actually but their new album doesn’t do much for me.
It's not a competition, of course, but Diana's is better. :p
I just saw that Abba charted at #2 on the Billboard charts, so the chart must be out... Does anyone know where Diana landed?
https://www.billboard.com/articles/n...charting-album
Let me correct it debuted at #92
It debuted at #92 on the top 200 and # 38! On the top r&b charts
Thanks for the info.
I can not for the life of me understand why she does so badly in the US. Excluding I Love You, this is her first Top 100 album though since 1987!
The album has gone Top 50 in Germany [[#33), Swiss [[#21), Scotland [[#6) and The Netherlands [[#42).
In these days where Streaming mostly dictates everything I think Diana has done well to even make the US Top 100 - well done.
Diana starts her second week in the UK chart at #27 - was expecting a big drop but am pleasantly surprised she's even still Top 30.
The UK leads the way!
I noticed a lot of greatest hits albums on the Top 200. So in terms of counting streams, does streaming just one song from an album qualify as an album"sale"? Or do several songs have to be streamed from an album before it's registered?
I wonder if Thank You might have charted higher in the US if Diana Ross had done a bit more promotion such as an interview or a performance on a talk show like Kimmel or Fallon or Good Morning America?
I wonder what the seemingly lack of strategy is here.
I don't believe this project is designed to set the world on fire or is intended to prove anything. Seems like Diana wanted to deliver a message through her music, that's the purpose, and those that want to receive it ... that's fine and that's good enough for her.
She's not going to 'work' something into a hit at this point in her career ...it isn't about that.
Big drop to #27 in the mid week chart in the UK. Hopefully she will hang on to a Top 50 place on Friday. These days so may albums crash into the Top 10 only to all but disappear in week 2! BTW how can you find out what an album sold?
Thanks Peace :)
Oh no! 'Thank You' has failed to make the new BB Top 200 album chart!
I saw that as well, Copley. Our girl will be so disappointed. Well, it's a wonderful album and the true fans will continue to say 'Thank You' to this wonderful performer the lp! At least Amazon lists it as #149 for their top cd's & lp's and #86 in pop cd's & vinyl.
Was the #92 position not correct then? Missing out completely on the top 200 can´t be right...?
Sad but not sad for Diana because many here claimed she did not care if it succeeded or flopped.
Sorry if I sound unduly critical, but Ross chose to do no promotion, had a very very old sketch of herself as the cover, made 3 super cheap videos, chose an album theme that severely marginalized its popularity, decided not to do a single duet that might have widened its appeal, and had songs that musically sounded like a funeral dirge. She also hired her kids rather than top-notch pros.
Diana’s audience has old ears and she has an old voice. She should sing to her base with Motown-like rhythms, themes, and productions. Period. Ethel Merman tried and failed to attract a younger audience with a disco album. Diana tried the feel-good Twitter angle also to no avail.
Maybe the Grammys might be kind to an old lady and recognize it. They certainly need to make amends for their sinful lack of recognition of her earlier outstanding and historic recordings.
I could not find a chart that listed TY as #92, but the current Billboard 'Top Album Sales Chart' lists the lp as #19 -
https://www.billboard.com/charts/top-album-sales
11.16.2021 DIANA DEBUTS ON BILLBOARD! Diana Ross' newest album, "Thank You" found the top 30 on these three Billboard charts this morning!
#16 U.S. Billboard Top Current Album Sales
#19 U.S. Billboard Top Album Sales
#25 U.S. Billboard Top R&B Albums Incredible
from Diana Ross the Greatest
The UK market is much smaller and Ross has been more popular there sales wise for years. A top 10 entry whilst looking good in the record books can mean very little in terms of sales. For a long time now albums have been crashing in to the top 10 with first week sales of only 5k or less. However in week two it's a case of that's all there is and they suffer a dramatic fall in sales resulting in drops of 60+ places and in some instances right out of the chart never to be seen again! So overall sales are minimal.
I haven't bought the album as I only like 6 or 7 of the tracks. It's ballad heavy and not in a good way. She played safe which is a pity as she had the chance to make a very different album with a much broader appeal. Writing her own material was not a good idea as it's not her strong point. Instead she should have covered the likes of Ed Sheeran - 'Shivers' and other songs by contemporary writers.
I know that she is 77 but there is no reason to virtually do no promotion at all. A few cheap airbrushed videos and an ancient photo on the CD cover show a lack of respect for her fans. It really does look like she didn't give a damn about anything and thought that her star power would be enough. Well Diana it wasn't so what was the point. By January it will be all forgotten about.
I know that she's supposed to be doing Glastonbury but there's a long time between now and then! I'm not holding my breath. Hopefully all will go to plan but trying to revive 'Thank You' as a stand alone some 7 months later would be like raising the dead! Now what would work would be a set of songs that everyone wants to hear and knows. Supremes hits and Ross solo from '70's & 80's. No medleys, no saccharin - Glastonbury people will be wearing wellie boots and mud, they don't do false modesty! No 'I Will Survive', it's Gloria's hit not hers. Revive a greatest hits package coupled with 'Thank You' as a double CD. That's what Dolly did [[current album +) and she was Glastonbury's greatest success. The crowd loved her and the CD was a massive top 5 hit. Laugh at her own shortcomings, DSB wore a gown and sparking wellie boots. Lionel and the Rolling Stones were also hugely successful. So Diana give the people what THEY want not what YOU want. Thank you - lol!
A good post copley, and i certainly agree with many of the points you raise. The UK sales are but a small spec when compared to potential sales to be had from an album scoring in the USA.
I remember well that double Dolly package selling incredibly well the time of Glastonbury.
DSB wearing wellies was such a great idea that won her the crowd. Not that she needed it lol. Talking of DSB, at one point i thought Diana’s new album might turn out a classic to match Shirley's incredible “The Performance album. An album filled with contemporary, well written songs that I consider to be one of her very best.
When she released the "Thank You" single this summer, that did get some attention in the media as it was her first single in years. The stories all mentioned that the album would come out in September.
But then it was kicked back to November. And then ABBA announced their comeback after 40 years away. That stole her thunder in terms of legends returning to the recording studio.
Perhaps Decca should have stuck to the September release date?
Hi Ollie. I'm not a big fan of DSB, I like her in small doses. However I do have one of her albums and yes it is 'The Performance'. The album spent 8 weeks on the UK albums chart, peaking at No. 20. Ultimately the album was certified gold by the BPI for sales of over 100,000 copies in the UK. So as I said the position looks great in record books but it's sales that counts. 'The Performance' changed how I viewed DSB. I'm sure that some fans didn't buy it as it was so different but she gained many new fans like me who made up for any losses. I'm certain that the same would happen with Ross, lose some gain some. Most core fans never leave and maintain that everything new is the best thing ever even when they are just kidding themselves. It's just an unhealthy obsession with whoever they are 'stalking' figuratively not literally of course. Just in case anyone thinks I'm a hater think on & look sharp. Between Ross & DRATS I have over 50 CDs including some still unreleased tracks! Last single I bought was 'Paradise', last studio album was 'Diana 1980'.
Some valid points here. Not sure if the theme was a turnoff as there have been plenty of pop albums released over the decades with a Universal Peace and Love and Positivity theme. But then again, even as promoted as such, in general not every song on those albums revolved around that theme! She did do a tweet of her in the shroud robe from the I Still Believe video with this backdrop that had religious overtones. There was a bit of a Messiah complex going on with that promotional tweet that could be a turnoff.
As for duets, I suspect the only ones these days she would duet with would be Rhonda or Evan, or if she must go outside the family, Fred White.
As for Grammys, isn't there a cut off date? I believe end of October. So the album would not qualify. Perhaps the Thank you single or If the World Just Danced could get nominated? I can see the single Thank You considered for a Best Traditional R and B vocal nod if such a category exists.
Here's a link to the Billboard Hot 200 albums for this week.
https://www.billboard.com/charts/billboard-200/
I was wrong about it making the top 200 charts
I'm still a bit shocked that Thank You didn't make the top 200 in its first week out. But then again, there wasn't much promotion. And how that chart is calculated sure has changed since I last followed the charts on a regular basis. A whole new world.
Ah well, I like the album, it's out there for people to find, and that's what really matters. I really thought Diana Ross would never do another album.
#29 in 2nd week on UK Album Chart - better than I was expecting.
#17 on Sales only chart!
Has there been continued airplay in the UK?
Not that I'm aware of.
I Still Believe may be getting a few plays but probably a hangover of being a high new entry in last week's chart.
A sign of the slump in the albums market sales for last week were 2,958 - yes you did read that correctly.
We're not quite that bad yet!
Diana's album sold 2,958 in the last week.
Seems like only diehard fans are buying. Can she sell to the mass public? Not so far.
Since her promotion is only through social media, and only diehards follow her there, it seems she never went after the mass market crowd. Thus, the low sales numbers.
I am thinking about Johnny Cash and Tanya Tucker who both made huge albums very late in their career with huge sales numbers. Both crossed over to the mass market. Tanya won a Grammy last year for her’s. I bought both. Both were outstanding. Both put their faith and trust into the right people [[Rick Ruben and Brandi Carlile) to create their legacy cds. Diana just can’t let go of total control and can’t accept her only talent is as a performer.