Today
09:43 PM
"Quicksand" - Versions
Do our forum mix experts concur with the findings below?
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Non-hit mono mix from {supposed} first pressings of 45 {if they exist at all}
Hit mono mix from later pressings of 45
Non-hit mono mix from Motown Yesteryear 45
1966 stereo mix from Greatest Hits LP
Non-hit 1966 {1964?} stereo mix from A Collection Of 16 Original Big Hits Volume 3 LP
Non-hit 2005 stereo remix by Tom Moulton
It's on Hip-O Select's Complete Motown Singles Vol. 3 1963 Disc 5 {2005}, listed as "First Pressing", although I can't find any evidence that this was ever released on vinyl.
I believe that this is the full performance of the song, running out to 2:45. All the other configurations described below can be edited from this full performance, albeit with different mixes/panning/effects.
The track starts with a bass drum hit.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 48 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the word "quicksand" at 0:29.
There's a reasonable amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:09 to 2:15.
The song fades starting at 2:42, on the word "closer".
By 2:44, the volume is way down to about -30 dB.
The full fade ends around 2:45.
I believe that this is the full performance of the song, running out to 2:45. All the other configurations described below can be edited from this full performance, albeit with different mixes/panning/effects.
The track starts with a bass drum hit.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 48 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the word "quicksand" at 0:29.
There's a reasonable amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:09 to 2:15.
The song fades starting at 2:42, on the word "closer".
By 2:44, the volume is way down to about -30 dB.
The full fade ends around 2:45.
Hit mono mix from later pressings of 45
I found at least five different 45 dubs on YouTube, and all were this mix. It runs 2:37. This version is on both US and UK 45s and the mono Greatest Hits LP.
This version deletes the bass drum hit and starts with the snare and horns.
The clap track disappears at 0:11 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The clap track is pushed way out in front during the riffing.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the word "quicksand" at 0:24.
There's an utterly insane amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:03 to 2:08.
The song fades starting at 2:31, on the word "quicksand".
The full fade ends around 2:37.
The hit mono mix first appeared on CD on Motown's 2-CD Live Wire! The Singles 1962-1972 {1993}, where it sounds just fine. The same analog transfer is used on Rhino's The R&B Box: Thirty Years Of Rhythm & Blues {1994}.
There's a different analog transfer on Motown's Ultimate Collection {1998}. It has a very different EQ than Live Wire and has a much smaller dynamic range than that disc. I think I prefer the mastering on Live Wire.
The clap track disappears at 0:11 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The clap track is pushed way out in front during the riffing.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the word "quicksand" at 0:24.
There's an utterly insane amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:03 to 2:08.
The song fades starting at 2:31, on the word "quicksand".
The full fade ends around 2:37.
The hit mono mix first appeared on CD on Motown's 2-CD Live Wire! The Singles 1962-1972 {1993}, where it sounds just fine. The same analog transfer is used on Rhino's The R&B Box: Thirty Years Of Rhythm & Blues {1994}.
There's a different analog transfer on Motown's Ultimate Collection {1998}. It has a very different EQ than Live Wire and has a much smaller dynamic range than that disc. I think I prefer the mastering on Live Wire.
Non-hit mono mix from Motown Yesteryear 45
Luckily, a YouTube user named Mr. Vinyl 67 uploaded a dub of the Motown Yesteryear 45 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJYx4LgGTYQ
I don't know if this mix originated on that 45 {released in 1973 as Motown Y 535F}, but there it is.
The track starts with the bass drum hit, but there's something over the drum sound, like a trailing note from a previous track. It's odd, and it's not on the "First Pressing" version described above.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The end of the riffing is different than the hit version, probably because the edit is in a different place than the hit version. The first vocals are "like quicksand" at 0:24.
There's a reasonable {not an insane} amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:03 to 2:08.
The song fades starting at 2:27, on the word "deeper".
The fade ends around 2:35.
This mix is available on CD as the "Second Pressing" version on Hip-O Select's Complete Motown Singles Vol. 3 1963 Disc 5 {2005}. So this version really did appear on a 45, just not one from 1963 or 1964. On this CD, it runs 2:35. The same analog transfer is used on Motown's 50th Anniversary: The Singles Collection 1962-1972 {2013}.
There's a different analog transfer on Motown's Motown Classic Hits Vol. IV {1995}. It has nice sound and a great dynamic range, but the opening drum beat is edited out and it starts with the snare and horns. You can tell from the waveform that it was edited after-the-fact; the waveform starts off relatively sharply here, unlike the gradual lead-in that you get from analog tape edit done for the hit 45 version.
The track starts with the bass drum hit, but there's something over the drum sound, like a trailing note from a previous track. It's odd, and it's not on the "First Pressing" version described above.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The end of the riffing is different than the hit version, probably because the edit is in a different place than the hit version. The first vocals are "like quicksand" at 0:24.
There's a reasonable {not an insane} amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:03 to 2:08.
The song fades starting at 2:27, on the word "deeper".
The fade ends around 2:35.
This mix is available on CD as the "Second Pressing" version on Hip-O Select's Complete Motown Singles Vol. 3 1963 Disc 5 {2005}. So this version really did appear on a 45, just not one from 1963 or 1964. On this CD, it runs 2:35. The same analog transfer is used on Motown's 50th Anniversary: The Singles Collection 1962-1972 {2013}.
There's a different analog transfer on Motown's Motown Classic Hits Vol. IV {1995}. It has nice sound and a great dynamic range, but the opening drum beat is edited out and it starts with the snare and horns. You can tell from the waveform that it was edited after-the-fact; the waveform starts off relatively sharply here, unlike the gradual lead-in that you get from analog tape edit done for the hit 45 version.
1966 stereo mix from Greatest Hits LP
"Quicksand" wasn't on any album before Greatest Hits. I think this is considered to be the "hit" stereo version, even though it came out over two years after the mono 45. It runs about 2:34.
The track starts with a bass drum hit.
The clap track doesn't disappear at 0:12 for the 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The end of the riffing is different than the mono hit version, probably because the edit is in a different place than the hit version. The first vocals are "like quicksand" at 0:24.
There's a relatively small amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:04 to 2:09.
The song fades starting at 2:27, on the word "deeper".
The fade ends around 2:34.
This version appeared first on CD on Motown's Compact Command Performances 24 Greatest Hits {1986}, where it runs 2:34 and sounds just fine. The same analog transfer is used on:
The track starts with a bass drum hit.
The clap track doesn't disappear at 0:12 for the 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 32 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. {The full take has 48 beats.}
The end of the riffing is different than the mono hit version, probably because the edit is in a different place than the hit version. The first vocals are "like quicksand" at 0:24.
There's a relatively small amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:04 to 2:09.
The song fades starting at 2:27, on the word "deeper".
The fade ends around 2:34.
This version appeared first on CD on Motown's Compact Command Performances 24 Greatest Hits {1986}, where it runs 2:34 and sounds just fine. The same analog transfer is used on:
- Silver Eagle's Motown 30th Anniversary Collection {1988} -has narrowed soundstage
- Time-Life's Classic Rock Vol. 16 1964 Shakin' All Over {1989, both original release and RE-1 reissue}
There's a different analog transfer on Motown's Best Of 20th Century Masters The Millennium Collection {1999}, which sounds quite nice.
I think, but can't confirm, that Motown's Martha And The VandellasGreatest Hits {1987} also has this version.
I think, but can't confirm, that Motown's Martha And The VandellasGreatest Hits {1987} also has this version.
Non-hit 1966 {1964?} stereo mix from A Collection Of 16 Original Big Hits Volume 3 LP
Discogs gives two contradictory dates for this release. This is most definitely not considered to be the "hit" stereo version. It runs 2:42.
The track starts with a bass drum hit.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 48 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. The clap track resumes for this 48 beats.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the words "like quicksand" at 0:29.
There's a reasonable amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:09 to 2:15.
The song fades starting at 2:38, on the word "quicksand".
The full fade ends around 2:42.
I have this mix on Motown's A Collection Of 16 Big Hits Volume 3 {1989}. The same analog transfer is used on Hip-O's Martha And The VandellasGold {2006}.
The clap track disappears at 0:12 for a 4-beat horn fill {not much going on in the fill}.
After the horn fill, there are 48 beats of instrumental riffing before the vocals start. The clap track resumes for this 48 beats.
At the end of the riffing, there's a horn note, followed by the words "like quicksand" at 0:29.
There's a reasonable amount of reverb on the drums in the break from 2:09 to 2:15.
The song fades starting at 2:38, on the word "quicksand".
The full fade ends around 2:42.
I have this mix on Motown's A Collection Of 16 Big Hits Volume 3 {1989}. The same analog transfer is used on Hip-O's Martha And The VandellasGold {2006}.
Non-hit 2005 stereo remix by Tom Moulton
It's on Shout Factory's 4-CD The Motown Box {2005}.
The intro is edited {32 beats, rather than 48}, and the outro does indeed extend a little beyond the "first pressing" 45 version. It runs 2:45.
The intro is edited {32 beats, rather than 48}, and the outro does indeed extend a little beyond the "first pressing" 45 version. It runs 2:45.
I should point out that none of the mono mixes described above are fold-downs of any of the stereo mixes.
Today
02:32 PM
Esther Gordy Edwards Centre for Excellance announcement
This was just announced --- 5 days before her birthday of April 25.
https://www.freep.com/story/entertai...e/83095953007/
https://www.freep.com/story/entertai...e/83095953007/
Today
12:38 PM
Norman Whitfield vs. Sly Stone: The Battle of the Diss Tracks
I was this-weekend years old when I learned [from a Questlove podcast] that the germ of Sly & The Family Stone's "Hot Fun in the Summertime" was a slam towards what Stone felt was Norman Whitfield's incursion into Stone's psychedelic-soul fiefdom after the massive success of "Cloud Nine."
The lyrics "I cloud nine when I want to" and "boo-boo-boo-boo-boo when I want to" [think Dennis's famous ad-libs at the end] make all the sense in the world now.
And one of Motown's greatest mysteries is solved: In true proto-hip-hop-battle fashion, Norman and The Tempts responded with "Superstar [Remember How You Got Where You Are]." Yes, it's not about David or anyone else but Sly. Wild. Thoughts?
The lyrics "I cloud nine when I want to" and "boo-boo-boo-boo-boo when I want to" [think Dennis's famous ad-libs at the end] make all the sense in the world now.
And one of Motown's greatest mysteries is solved: In true proto-hip-hop-battle fashion, Norman and The Tempts responded with "Superstar [Remember How You Got Where You Are]." Yes, it's not about David or anyone else but Sly. Wild. Thoughts?
Today
04:32 AM
Marvin Gaye - "Soulie". A Mickey Gentile gem.
From online sources
"Native Syracusan Jennifer Lambert and husband Mickey Gentile release Marvin Gaye single on Motown
Published: Mar. 31, 2009, 4:00 p.m.
This nugget comes in from proud daughter, Syracuse singer-songwriter Lisa Gentile.
The wife-and-husband team of Jennifer Lambert and Mickey Gentile have a single coming out today on Motown, exclusively on online.
The title is "Soulie," from the EP "Then and Now." It was written and performed by Lambert, Gentile and Gaye. Gentile also arranged and performed the song. They collaborated on the song in 1966, and it's never been released before this."
Mickey Gentile passed away July 5, 2019 [[born September 4, 1932). His name crops up a fair bit in Motown history yet there doesn't seem to be an awful lot written about him. He doesn't even get a mention in Graham Betts excellent Motown Encyclopedia.
"Native Syracusan Jennifer Lambert and husband Mickey Gentile release Marvin Gaye single on Motown
Published: Mar. 31, 2009, 4:00 p.m.
This nugget comes in from proud daughter, Syracuse singer-songwriter Lisa Gentile.
The wife-and-husband team of Jennifer Lambert and Mickey Gentile have a single coming out today on Motown, exclusively on online.
The title is "Soulie," from the EP "Then and Now." It was written and performed by Lambert, Gentile and Gaye. Gentile also arranged and performed the song. They collaborated on the song in 1966, and it's never been released before this."
Mickey Gentile passed away July 5, 2019 [[born September 4, 1932). His name crops up a fair bit in Motown history yet there doesn't seem to be an awful lot written about him. He doesn't even get a mention in Graham Betts excellent Motown Encyclopedia.
Yesterday
09:55 PM
New Digital Single from Jean Terrell
Welcome Home...
...hope it does well...!
Grape :)
...hope it does well...!
Grape :)
Today
08:00 AM
Cellarful Of Motown First ever vinyl LP
It's the first ever Vinyl LP to carry the Cellarful brand and the first new collection on LP of Motown material for [[please don't shoot me if I'm wrong) over 30 years
WEST GRAND DEBUT LP - LIMITED EDITION ADVANCE PROMOTION COPY
A CELLARFUL OF MOTOWN! ..A NORTHERN SOUL LOVE AFFAIR
16 TRACK 12Inch VINYL LP
UNDER LICENCE FROM UNIVERSAL MUSIC/MOTOWN,
Mastered from the original Motown masters.
Many thanks to Paul Nixon, the creator of the groundbreaking A CELLARFUL OF MOTOWN! CD series for allowing us to come up with the very first Vinyl version of his much loved invention.
Full track listing is below. The album will be released at the end of May. In the meantime we are making available limited edition ADVANCE PROMOTION copies.
This contains exactly the same 16 tracks as the regular version.
Label design below. It will come in white stickered sleeve and a unique “vintage” press release.
Copies are £30 plus £5 delivery.
Stock due in the next 14 to 21 days.Attachment 21938Attachment 21939
WEST GRAND DEBUT LP - LIMITED EDITION ADVANCE PROMOTION COPY
A CELLARFUL OF MOTOWN! ..A NORTHERN SOUL LOVE AFFAIR
16 TRACK 12Inch VINYL LP
UNDER LICENCE FROM UNIVERSAL MUSIC/MOTOWN,
Mastered from the original Motown masters.
Many thanks to Paul Nixon, the creator of the groundbreaking A CELLARFUL OF MOTOWN! CD series for allowing us to come up with the very first Vinyl version of his much loved invention.
Full track listing is below. The album will be released at the end of May. In the meantime we are making available limited edition ADVANCE PROMOTION copies.
This contains exactly the same 16 tracks as the regular version.
Label design below. It will come in white stickered sleeve and a unique “vintage” press release.
Copies are £30 plus £5 delivery.
Stock due in the next 14 to 21 days.Attachment 21938Attachment 21939
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