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Sean (livesey)
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The following is taken from 'SOULFUL MATTERS' a free web-based newsletter to subscribe go to http://www.seanlivesey.com
**In a recent radio interview the last remaining original member of The
Temptations, Otis Williams confirmed that the group's latest album for
Motown 'LEGACY' will be their last.

The interview from Washington D.C's WHUR station gave Otis the chance to
explain the groups reasoning behind ending the near 45 year association
with Motown records. "Things have changed so much since Berry left".
"We feel its time to leave, go and do different things elsewhere."

"We've been with Motown since Berry started and its sad to leave but
things need to change, I was thinking the other day that Stevie will be
the only original Motown artist left with the label when we leave. It's
sad"

On being pressed about the chances of The Tempts still recording new
albums Otis gave fans the assurance that The Temptations will still be
recording away from Motown. "Definitley we will still be recording".

Otis was then questioned about where the group will go, "We're waiting
to get our release from Motown and keeping our options open, we've
spoken to a couple of labels a few days ago, I may even start my own
label up again and put The Tempts on it"

Rumours are rife over which label The Tempts will join with many citing
Matthe Knowles (Beyonce's father) new Sony label 'Music World Music' as
a possible destination for the group. The label has been set up
especially for 'Old-School' R&B acts who are often ignored or forgotten
in the currently youth dominated music industry. Music World Music
already cites the likes of The Ojays on its Roster.

So one of the longest links in Music is set to end, but as we all know
the Motown today is un-recogniseable towards that of the 60's, 70's and
even 80's. Keep checking http://www.seanlivesey.com for the latest
up-dates regarding The Temptations search for a new label and all the
other latest Soul Music news...

You can buy The Temptations latest offering, their 60th album 'LEGACY'
from the following outlets...

THE TEMPTATIONS.COM - http://www.thetemptations.com
MAURICE WATTS CD STORE - http://www.mauricewatts.com/cd store.html
CD UNIVERSE - http://www.cduniverse.com

Sean Livesey
http://www.seanlivesey.com
http://www.seanlivesey.com **
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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Post Number: 380
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Everything must change, winter turns to spring, a wounded heart will heal...the Tepmts leave Motown...No one and nothing goes unchanged, there aren't many things in life we can be sure of except~~~rain falls from the sky, humming birds do fly, and Bush is running another game on the Presidential Election(claiming Terrorists Attacks will cause a delay)..he'll most likely be Re~elected~~~(LOL)
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Don (don)
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I wish Mr. Otis Williams all the success and happiness for the future of The Temtations.
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1wicked (1wicked)
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Things MAY have changed since Berry left...but after voluntarily leaving once before (signing with Atlantic) and having a mediocre existance...then returning to MOTOWN (making the charts and garnering awards)...I hope this is a well thought out move. And if it is gonna happen...V.P. Jay King (The Timex Social Club) of THUMP RECORDS is doing big things on the Classic Soul tip.
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Sean (livesey)
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I don't think Otis (being the shrewd bussiness man that he is) would leave the label without somewhere more suitable waiting for them.
I think it's a good move, Motown's promotion of artists and their products recently has been diabolical Motown haven't had a hit for years.
It's a shame that the label has hit those lows we all know Motown isn't Motown anymore and it is just a name-sake for the Universal group but the label could have worked an awful lot harder in the past few years, a lot harder.
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Spyder Turner (spyder_turner)
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YEA THEY NEED THAT NORMAN WHITFIELD PRODUCED FOUR TOPS "911 EMERGENCY" CD
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Reese (reese)
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I thought that the Tempts had signed a lifetime contract with Motown.
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
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I think that "lifetime contract" meant that
Motown would never drop them - not that they
couldn't leave if that was their choice
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~medusa~ (~medusa)
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I wish the TEMPTS well, their future endeavors
Wherever they go, they'll always be the
"TEMPTATIONS" 4 EVER
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John Barry Sheffield (jaybs)
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I have all The Temptations albums until the latest one and from the tracks I have heard, it did not fill me with Get It! and that is the First time.

Universal don't seem to have any respect or value for the MOTOWN name any longer, they just see it as bringing in a steady small income from the "select" issues of 3,000 as started by Rhino, and charge around $20.

Steve is the last True Motown Artist and for Stevie it is just like a distributor to Him.

It would be good to see Universal to pick up on the Norman Whitfield Produced CD on THE FOUR TOPS AS Spyder said - it could be done! - BUT are they really interested in MOTOWN and DETROIT? for me No!

John

When is someone going to Sit Up and give this Album the release it so ritchly deserves for LEVI and also NORMAN WHITFIELD????
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Sean (livesey)
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John check out http://www.seanlivesey.com/leg acy.html what tracks have you heard from the album?
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Arcadia (arcadia)
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While reading this post I briefly thought of Eddie Kendricks and his exit with the Temps. then, subsequently, Motown/Tamala.

What a long time it has been. I wish Otis Williams and The Temptations the best of luck in finding a new recording label.

Arcadia
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Good Afternoon,

Further proof the the conglomerate that should now be called: TLFKAM (The Label Formerly Known As Motown) simply isn't what it used to be. I know that Harry's doing a great job & everything that he can. I think at this point, they should never release any new product under the name MOTOWN. The only thing that's carrying Motown is our memories of the 60s & 70s. Motown as we knew it is dead & as such, in my opinion should be buried.

In my opinion, they should only do re-issues under the MOTOWN moniker. That is the only way that the name Motown should be used. They should find a new name for this current conglomerate known as Motown....it's simply a travesty IMO. To be honest, I feel as though the conglomerate sees Motown as another one of their many holdings, another property to make money with.

I know that Harry cares, however, once he leaves, what then?? I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but in my eyes, they're simply pimping the name Motown & are using the Ghosts Of Motown past to make money. I honestly don't believe that they have that true love for Motown....they love to trade in on our memories & that's despicable.

Oh well, this is just one mans' opinion. It's time to shoot that old horsey & put it out of its misery. It's simply not Motown anymore & it's a damn joke to try to act like it is.

RIP!!!

Hey Arcadia!!! Where ya been?? It's good to see ya :-)
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Destruction (destruction)
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JF,

I'm witcha on the TLFKAM. As for me, my biggest and best Motown moments came from the Tempts...if i may quote from the Korean girl on Mad TV....Motown is now CLOSED...."no, not closed, say it sad, CLOOOOOSED."
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Arcadia (arcadia)
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Hey Juice!

Thanks and it's good to be back. I've been in/out of Detroit taking care of my Mother who is having knee surgery. I will return to Detroit in two weeks.

It's good to see you too Juice (((HUG)))


Arcadia
xoxoxo
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Mark Speck (mark_speck)
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I think they should sign with the label that Smokey just signed with...or is that a bad idea?

Best,

Mark
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Sean (livesey)
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Music World Music would be a good move for them Matthew Knowles has a proven track record with his acts and is a big fan of The Temptations.
Music World Music also has the force of Sony behind it I believe that would be a good move for the group.
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mike s (mike_s)
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Hey Juice
I think you are right about Motown. It should be kept for artists that have the heritage but if they are no longer on the label, then it should stay as a reminder of the great music that survives today. Sadly most if not all of the current product has little love or understanding for the name behind it and Uni should leave it alone instead of diminishing the brand.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Dam, I have mixed emotions about this, I would just like to know the true story.

Kdubya

more on this later...............
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NY-DELL (dell)
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Kdubya:
Like you, I believe there is more to this....but I for one have no problem with them leaving Motown. The glory days with them there is dead....I'm more interested in good music that will keep me filled with fond memories of Motown. In order for them to keep moving forward it may be necessary for them to move on....MWM would be a nice fit for them....They would again be working with people dedicated to the success of their sound...and I'm sure Mr. Knowles would make them Top Dogs again with this label...something that all the new guys never experienced as a Temptation, it could have a VERY positive effect on the group's future.....
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Boynextdoor (boynextdoor)
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In the house of Motown....no one is home. They all left. I think Motown should only release their Detroit and early LA material. Otherwise, I think it's a travesty using the Motown name of the stuff they put out today....which I couldn't even tell you what it is. Otherwise, Motown is loosing it's credibility as a "sound" and a name worth remembering.
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zebop (zebop)
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I'm with a lot of the posters, there is no Motown anymore IMO. Oddly enough it didn't occur to me until I heard the news about the Temptations. The label is essentially down to three or four acts, as talented as they are, every label needs more.

I'd like to see the Tempts stay with Universal if it's possible...
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John Barry Sheffield (jaybs)
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I am not really bothered if The Temptation's stay with Universal, perhaps it is getting close to the time for the Temptations to leave us with all the Good "Memories" we all have - the river has run DRY

But I am certain that it is time Universal, left the name of MOTOWN just for re-issues, they do not do the name Justice any longer! sadly.

J
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Just wanted to pop in here and explain my post. As most of you know I absolutely love the Temptations. I have always been their standard bearer, but I am also highly critical of their work. The mixed emotions I feel are based upon the assertion that with these guys.... there are always several different versions of what basicly is the same story. The Temptations have been blessed and cursed while making some of the best music of our lives. My boy, Honey of an "O" has got to be one of the greatest masters of misinformation of all time. I am not bothered by them leaving Motown, for once, just once, I'd like to know the truth. You see this has gone on for too long, stories about Dennis, David, Eddie, Paul, Ali, Theo, Barrington, Richard, well I guess we'll have to wait for more misinformation, maybe in the straight to DVD The Temptation Story part deaux, (True Lies).......:-)

Kdubya
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NY-DELL (dell)
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We'll never know the truth.....but this is one situation regarding the Temptations that really doesn't bother me....Like I said earlier this change may be good. Remember when The Tempts were the kings of Motown, great material, great production staff whatever it took to get the job done they got it....well in recent years it hasn't been that way regardless of what company they were with....Music World Music would be perfect....it would be like starting over again...the misinformation will never stop...but this is one time where it really doesn't matter.
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NYC Diva (nyc_diva)
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Hi Juice, long time...

I agree with you 100%. Most of he people there, with the exception of HW, don't give a damn about Motown history. Motown as we know it is dead and it has been for a long time. Didn't we all see the funeral called "Motown 45" a few months ago?

I totally believe that Motown should just become a catalog label and just keep releasing the classic stuff. That will always generate a healthy income for Universal.

As for the Tempts, I have to be honest and say it might be time to call it a day. Their glory days are long behind them and to be honest, after Dennis left I really was not interested in them anymore. Let's not even talk about David, Eddie and Paul's departures, that's enough for you to say that the Tempts are done. Stevie won't be the only original Motown artist..isn't Diana Ross still on Motown?
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hi NYC Diva,

Long time, no see. I miss seeing you here :-)
Is it true that you have a site???

I agree with you. Harry does one hell of a job against difficult odds. God, I wish that Harry owned Motown. We know & trust Harry & his commitment to Motown. If only the suits would turn the music over to Harry, without the bottom line getting in the way.

Motown holds a special place, not merely in musical history, but in WORLD HISTORY!!!

Motown was a monolith that roared throughout the world. As such, Motown should be treated as special as it used to be, as well as to what it STILL means for its fans. That means, respecting the catalog & putting it out there en toto. Yeah, yeah, I know...the bottom line. They have to make money & I understand that. However, you simply cannot tell me that they don't have the money to set up a database containing ALL of Motowns' past releases for download. That eliminates the need for pressing CDs that may not move enough units to be profitable. There is a cost savings involved.

I don't want to hear that illegal file sharing crap. Hell, if the music isn't in release anyway, where's the loss there? A small indie like West End does that. I just downloaded MP3s of their out of print music for 99 cents each & they're not a comglomerate. You mean to tell me that Motown with their history & the comglomerate with their money, haven't the technology & financial resources to do the same??? Well, ok!!

There's simply nothing about todays Motown that conjures up special feelings. The worst possible scenario has taken place....they've become ordinary & that's tragic.

It used to be that you knew a Motown song when you heard it, just as you knew a PIR song when you heard it. If you played 100 Motown songs from the past 10 years, could you identify any of them as a "Motown" song??? When you think of Motown today, what artists can you really say reach out & grab you???

They sound like everyone else & the mediocrity is sad. They've simply fallen behind the pack. For better or worse, if you hear a Puffy songs, you DO know that it's him. If you hear a R. Kelly, Neptunes, Timbaaland or Kanye production, you know who it is. Not Motown, not anymore.

I can't name 20 artists who are signed to Motown anymore. Who...Boyz II Men & Brian McKnight??? They are 180 degrees diametrically opposed to what they once were...a trailblazer, an innovator.

They should come up with a "CLASSIC MOTOWN" label, where they can bring Classic Motown artists & classic artists of that era together under one umbrella. They could do concerts, CD releases & with quality producers, they could make a go of it. To me, it's a no brainer. They've got everything that they need to make it work. Maybe not on a Platinum selling scale. But, it could be profitable.

Just look at the talent that is on this forum. Look at the passion of the fans on this forum. They have a built in audience, a WORLD WIDE audience that has proven their loyalty to them. Unlike all of these fly by night groups that they keep targeting toward the fickle kiddies, who tire of fads every 3 weeks.

They have what the marketing geniuses call "BRAND LOYALTY" & even more than that, they have millions of Baby Boomers (and some young folks too) who are desperate & starving for some of that good old Soul music. Music that had something to say, other than: "F You Right Back", "Me & My Hos", "Shut Up 'Fore I Kill Ya", "Ah stacks the ice, shoots some dice, rolls in a 6/4", "Gotta Get Those Drawers", "Why Y'all Hating On Me" & all that crap.

There is a market that they could serve that has been loyal for 40 years & still going strong, that is being severely underserved. Motown USED to be a leader....USED TO BE!!! Maybe, instead of copying everyone else, they could actually help to bring it all full circle. Maybe they'll start showing some respect to the fans who helped to make them huge from the start. Those faceless & currently, meaningless people, who have always supported our Motown artists. Maybe, Motown could actually be the one who can find success by understanding that people over 35 actually matter. Maybe they'd find that if they'd stop chasing behind the fickle kids of today & stop trying to be "cutting edge", well...they'd find a home right here. You see, we've been waiting for them all along.

They don't seem to realize that, we never left them. We always had room in our hearts for them. We had the bath water waiting for them, dinner, a martini & an after dinner mint at the ready. But.....the car never drove into the driveway & the key never turned in the lock. We didn't leave them....they left us. Maybe if they tried, they'd find 50 million arms waiting to welcome them back. Because, as is usually the case in these type of situations...........WE STILL LOVE THEM!!

Maybe it's time for Motown to really come back home. If not......leave the memories where they are.......in the past.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Juice, great post I am in agreement with you about Motown,you have proposed a alternative that would probably work for the company.

NY-Dell, I dont care if they leave Motown. I want them to be sucessful but they seem so paranoid and oft times schizophrenic about everything from group membership, faux Temptations and Motown itself. Sometimes I find myself like others saying why don't you guys just quit. Frankly I'm just tired of having my chain yanked.

We all know that Harry W, loves Motown and the Music and surely his exploits have been chronicled here and on other sites like Soul Patrol. Yesterday I recieved The Temptations DVD greatest hits package in the mail which I had pre ordered about a month ago, well to my surprise there was Harry's name right at the top of the credits and I was pleased about that, but what ticked me off was that there were only 5 videos????......five videos from one of the greatest groups to ever lace up a pair of patent leathers ???

Stay
Standing on The Top (7 Tempts)
I'm Here
Time After Time (4 Tempts)
I wonder who she's seeing now....

I was very disapointed ...from the standpoint that there is a market for all things Temptation and this was a poor example. It was fun seeing them in this format.......The video for Standing on the Top has to be one of my all time favorites. They were smooth as silk and jammed with military precision, David and Eddie and Glenn were having a ball.......I must have watched this video several times.......then I shut the machine off.....Reunion was what it was and we shall never see the likes of that group again.....

One more thing SDF, although his photograph graces the front and rear covers of the collection there is not one single dam song from Ali Woodson......its a dam shame...I would have settled for Soul 2 Soul..anything....come on guys he was a Temptation ...you hear me...???

Oh yeah what about featurettes like the making of Standing on the Top......Stay ...whatever...give me something for my hard earned chump change......

Kdubya
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Great post JF and Im with you all the way!
Now, what about dem ho's? (just kidding folks)
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StingBeeLee (stingbeelee)
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Kdubya;
I would suggest that you go to the Motown Bulletin Board at boards.motown.com and voice your concerns to Harry W. He is always concerned about the product and the fans and he normally answers anyone who has concerns.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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Thanks StingBeeLee, I'll take you up on that one....

Kdubya
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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That's a great suggestion Lee. However......the conglomerate that owns TLFKAM is NOT going to revamp their entire corporate mentality. They want to be cutting edge for all of the teeny boppers & want us OLDER folks to buy their re-issues. Have you seen any inkling that suggests to you that they are trying to honor the Motown that was?? Are they trying to cater to their most loyal fans & followers, or trying to be just like every other Y2k record label???

Harry's doing great however, the bottom line is the bottom line & that's what they're watching. And they're floundering because this generation is not what Motown was based on. As I said, Motown could do something radically different, as per my suggestions & in my opinion, be pretty successful by doing so. However, that would never happen. You see, ironically most old corporate fogies chase down the kiddies aged from what, 18-35??? They don't even cater to the demographics to which they themselves belong. Gotta be now & with it, you know.

They have a golden opportunity here. The reality is there are millions more of us "OLDER" folks who love Motown than the "Youngsters" whom they're trying to market the music to. Seems to be a no brainer to me. I wonder why they haven't, or won't grasp this very simple concept???
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Don (don)
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Posted on Thursday, August 05, 2004 - 4:32 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Well Juice & Kdudya, you both explain it better than anyone. I've made some past post regarding Motown. I still say things got to cookin' for VIP/Soul labels we're concerned. I know to some here love the 58-59 yrs all the way up to 63-4-5 yrs. To tell ya, I really loved the VIP & Soul and what was happen with the Wingate operation and other Detroit labels, that's what part I love most. Both you guys make a good and solid point.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted on Friday, August 06, 2004 - 4:54 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don,

I agree that VIP/Soul were very underrated. It seems that many people neglect those Motown labels. Imagine if The Spinners or Velvelettes had gotten a bigger push on VIP!!!
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Lady Mystique (ladymystique)
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Post Number: 509
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 10:47 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I wish them all the best as they continue to live on as living legends. This wouldn't be the first time that they left the company...a part of me wishes that they hadn't, but only they know why they made this decision.

(Message edited by ladymystique on August 10, 2004)

(Message edited by ladymystique on August 10, 2004)
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Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo)
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Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Tuesday, August 10, 2004 - 11:27 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Folks:
Wherever the Temptations wind up label-wise I'm sure they will be welcomed with open arms.

As far as my feelings regarding the current state of Motown, I felt that after the late Gary Jackson left the label (he replaced Andre Harrell as president and was executive producer of "Phoenix Rising" and "Ear-Resistable") things would go downhill and they did. No offense to Keday Massenburg or Sylvia Rhone but I would've liked to have seen Harry Weinger become the label head based on the outstanding work he has done and the relationships he has with all Motown artists.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 1:06 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

KevGO....

I WISH THAT YOU OWNED THE LABEL!!! Harry would be a great choice & to me, the only sensible one.

As Joni said: "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone."
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Eli (phillysoulman)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 1:09 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I second that emotion for Harry Weinger as CEO of Motown!!
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Vonnie (vonnie)
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Registered: 3-2004
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Posted on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 - 1:16 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Harry Weinger #1 Motown CEO
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bigdaddyg2k4 (bigdaddyg2k4)
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 3:41 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Harry Weinger has done an outstanding job in the classic reissues/compilations depts. during the Polygram years, and has had constant raves about his past achievements. Sadly, Motown is just another victim of "corporate restructuring" in this day and age of label mergers and layoffs (b4 2004 is over with, there will be only 4 major record companies operating after the pending merger of BMG and Sony-and probably more to come after that), and is just a name 2 make money from its storied past. But there is always 2 sides to every story, and this is no exception. 1 side is the bottom line: mergers, layoffs, labels being absorbed/discontinued (perfect example, MCA no longer exists, with its artists now under the Geffen umbrella-ironically, back in 1979-80, MCA did the same to ABC records, so I guess what goes around, comes around), saves $$$$$ for the conglomerate and its shareholders. But on the other hand, the way the Motown name has been handled, with Universal having a massive library of classic songs to profit for the next century or so, it should be a fitting task to associate the label and its ORIGINAL artists (Stevie, Diana, but no smokey?-what happened?), to its heritage and with the due respect and honor bestowed on to them. But Harry W. can only do so much with the power that he has. He has to do what HIS bosses say, and what they say, unfortunately, goes. But I still think that nostolgia-wise, Motown should stay original. But that's my opinion, folks.
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Reese (reese)
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Post Number: 138
Registered: 4-2004
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Posted on Monday, August 16, 2004 - 4:01 pm: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Last Friday night at Radio City, Otis encouraged the audience to buy their latest cd. He thought it would be a collector's item, as it would be their last for Motown.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:01 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Reese,

But, then again it may not be their last. With the constant movement, who can tell? As far as Otis thinking of it as a possible collectors item, it sounds like his shrewd marketing skills are at work. First of all, it's collectability would depend on the number of units manufactured & made available. It would have to be made in limited quantities in order to make it rare & worth considering as an investment. If it were truly to be a collectible item of value, he would have to undersell & underproduce the CD. Thast would put money in other peoples pockets & not his. That is a somewhat disingenuous statement for him to make. What he's hoping is that maybe, oh...500,000 to 1,000,000 people buy this "COLLECTIBLE" CD, which means Gold or Platinum & MO' MONEY, MO' MONEY, MO' MONEY for them. That would make this highly "COLLECTIBLE" CD worth the price of a used frisbee.

Gotta give Otis credit, the wheels are always turning!!! Otis is very shrewd :-)
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Sean (livesey)
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 80.225.78.209
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 5:36 am: ��Edit PostDelete Post���Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

He's a bussiness man extradionare. :-)))

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