By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:13 am:

OK ALL!!!...NOW THAT I'M ON THIS OTIS REDDING KICK...WE ALL KNOW THAT THE INSPIRATION FOR HIS LAST GREAT PIECE OF WORK..."DOCK OF THE BAY"...OCCURED IN 1967...AS OTIS WAS APPEARING AT THE FILLMORE WEST...AND LIVING ON A HOUSEBOAT IN SAUSALITO!!!...RALPH...BEING FROM THAT PART OF THE COUNTRY...IS THERE ANY DOCUMENTATION AS TO JUST *WHERE* OTIS WAS WHEN HE WROTE THAT HISTORIC PIECE OF MUSIC???...IS THERE ANY HISTORICAL DESIGNATION AT THAT LOCATION...OR HAS IT BEEN DELINIATED???...PERHAPS YOU...OR TEDDIE MIGHT HAVE SOME INSIGHT ON THIS WHICH WOULD BE MOST APPRECIATED!!!...STUBASS

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.14.178.101) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:34 am:

Hey Stu
I was always told it was at the pier head in Liverpool.
sorry just had to put that in mate.
mel.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 11:38 am:

NO MEL!!!...I THINK THATS WHERE THE BEATLES CAME UP WITH THE "SEARGENT PEPPER" CONCEPT...WHICH... ALL JOKING ASIDE...WAS ALSO A HUGE INSPIRATION TO OTIS REDDING AT THAT TIME!!!...STU

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.14.178.124) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:17 pm:

Nice one Stu
You've got me in an Otis mood and am currently spinning
"she's allright"
mel.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:43 pm:

Well Stu, that's a good question. In the San Francisco area that could be a number of places. There are a lot of docks in the infamous Pier 39 area whch is a large tourist attraction. Tour boats leave there to go to Alcatraz and points across the bay.
Anybody's guess I suppose.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 12:45 pm:

SHOULD BE SOME SORT OF LANDMARK!!!...HEY...SOMEONE SHOULD OPEN A "DOCK OF THE BAY" RESTAURANT AT THE PIER...OR SOMETHING COOL LIKE THAT!!!...MEL!!!...I'M HEADING OVER TO TOWER RECORDS TOMORROW TO PICK UP OTIS'S GREATEST HITS!!!...STU

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:25 pm:

Stu:
Make sure you pick up THE VERY BEST OF OTIS REDDING or THE DEFINITIVE OTIS REDDING on Atlantic/Rhino. These CDs used the original mono single masters and the remastering is very good.
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By MEL&THEN SOME9 (217.14.178.110) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:29 pm:

Hasnt Alcatraz got a restaurant then?
just think
Al Capone in your face pizza's
or
Bugsy Moran Sundaes.
mel.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 01:31 pm:

THANKS FOR THAT INFO KEV!!!...MEL!!!...HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!...YOU *DO* KNOW YOUR CRIMINALS!!!...STU

By FRANCIS T (195.92.67.65) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:02 pm:

IF OLD STYLE SOUL IS YOUR THING CHECK OUT SOUL BLUES SINGER CHARLES WALKER.CURRENTLY IN THE UK CHARLES FORMERLY KNOWN AS LITTLE CHARLES (AND THE SIDEWINDERS) PERFORMS A SOUL DRENCHED LIVE ACT WITH THE ODD BORING ONE FOR THE BOOGIE BOYS.NO DOUBT HE TOURS THE U.S(HE LIVES IN NASHVILLE) AND IS WELL WORTH A WATCH OR CHECK OUT HIS CD ON UK ZANE LABEL.

regards FRANCIS T

By MEL&THEN SOME (212.159.48.102) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:08 pm:

Francis
are we talking of The Little Charles that recorded with the Sidewinders for
Gemini Star Records
Botanic
Jewel and that classic dancer of "I guess I'll have to take whats second best"
and also for
Drum Records
Decca
and the Red Sands Label.
many thanks
mel.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:11 pm:

Did something happen to this thread????

By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:17 pm:

YEAH RALPH!!!...THIS OTIS REDDING CONVERSATION SORT OF ENDED UP ON THE "BACKBEAT" THREAD...AND WE'VE BEEN TAKEN OVER BY SOME OLD BLUES MATERIAL...BUT THATS OK...AS LONG AS THEY'RE PARTICIPATING...RIGHT RALPH???...STU

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:50 pm:

HEY RALPH!!!...YOU'RE NOT GETTING OLDER...JUST BETTER!!!...DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF!!!...STU

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 03:55 pm:

Had me going for a minute Stu. I tried calling you but you were busy.

By MEL&THEN SOME (212.159.52.240) on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - 04:36 pm:

Hey Ralph
youll never get to old mate
your just to Darn HIP(andthensome)
mel.

By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:47 pm:

I LEFT MY HOME IN GEORGIA,HEADING FOR THE[FRISCO]BAY,DID ANYONE THINK THAT JUST MAYBE THE DOCK OF THE BAY MIGHT BE IN SAN FRANCISCO?

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:59 pm:

ACTUALLY R&B...OTIS REDDING STAYED ON A HOUSEBOAT IN SAUSALITO ON THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY WHERE HE SPENT TWO WEEKS...REPORTEDLY LISTENING TO "THE BEATLES" "SGT. PEPPERS LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND" L.P. OVER AND OVER AGAIN...THEN PENNED "DOCK OF THE BAY"...RETURNED TO MEMPHIS AND RECORDED IT...AND AS FATE WOULD HAVE IT...DIED JUST THREE DAYS AFTER THAT HISTORIC RECORDING ON AN ILL FATED FLIGHT IN HIS BEECHCRAFT BONANZA...ALONG WITH THE BARKAYS!!!...STUBASS

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 12:59 pm:

Yeah but the San Francisco Bay covers more territory than just San Fracisco.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 01:02 pm:

HEY RALPH!!!...I MAY HAVE TO DO A DOCUMENTARY..."SEEKING OTIS"...SEARCHING FOR THAT HOUSEBOAT IN SAUSALITO WHERE OTIS WROTE THAT SONG!!!...THINK PAUL JUSTMAN WOULD BE INTERSTED???...STU

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 01:49 pm:

You might be on to something Stu. Where were certain song writers when the inspiration for a particular song hit them?

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 01:56 pm:

IT WOULD AT LEAST MAKE A GOOD THREAD RALPH!!!...BUT THE OTIS THING IS A LOT MORE...CONSIDERING ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES...HIS MONTEREY POP FESTIVAL APPEARANCE...HIS LAST...AND BIGGEST HIT...AND HIS MUSICAL LEGACY!!!...STU

By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 02:11 pm:

RALPH AND STU THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT IDEAS,I THINK THAT WE WOULD GET ALOT OF FEEDBACK ON THE OTIS REDDING IDEA,AS FOR INSPIRATION THREAD,DID YOU THINK THAT WHEN SMOKEY WROTE[I'LL TRY SOMETHING NEW]WHICH WAS WRITTEN ON THE BACK OF A POPCORN BOX WHILE HE WAS AT A BASEBALL GAME,THAT MAYBE THE HOME TEAM WAS LOSING?HOW ABOUT[IN MY ROOM]WHERE BRIAN WILSON HAD RETREATED TO HIS BEDROOM.

By STUBASS (152.163.252.68) on Saturday, July 12, 2003 - 03:09 pm:

KENNY NOLAN HAS SAID THAT HE GOT THE INSPIRATION FOR THE FOUR SEASONS HIT..."SAD RAG DOLL"...WHEN HE WAS DRIVING THROUGH HOLLYWOOD ONE DAY...AND A YOUNG HOMELESS GIRL WITH PLASTIC BAGS APPROACHED HIS CAR!!!...STUBASS

By Steve Litos (209.100.86.4) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 11:28 am:

R&B
I didn't know that about "I'll Try Something New"! Such an odd start for such an elegant song.
-Steve

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 12:25 pm:

Stubass:
Are you sure it was Kenny Nolan who wrote "Rag Doll" for the Four Seasons? I've read on two separate accounts (one of them the book "Behind The Hits" written by WCBS-FM's Bob Shannon) that Bob Gaudio came up with the idea for "Rag Doll" when he was driving home to NJ from Manhattan. He saw a young girl washing car windows along the street leading to the Lincoln Tunnel (en route to NJ) yet when she approached his car, the smallest amount of money Bob had was a ten dollar bill. So, Bob gave her the ten dollars and as he drove away, he saw her smile in his rear view window. When he got home, he wrote "Rag Doll", which became the group's fourth number one hit.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By STUBASS (205.188.209.109) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:06 pm:

KEVGO!!!...RIGHT STORY...WRONG WRITER!!!...YOU ARE RIGHT!!!...SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE COBWEBS BETWEEN MY EARS...I GOT THE KENNY NOLAN THING MIXED UP WITH BOB GAUDIO!!!...I THINK I MIXED UP A HOLLYWOOD HOMELESS STORY WITH THE "RAG DOLL" STORY...AND MY BRAIN JUST TOOK OFF!!!...THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION!!!...STU(WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR WINDOWS WASHED???)BASS

By douglasm (68.113.13.31) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:07 pm:

Stu...
....my copy credits Bob Gaudio and Bob Crewe.

By Bob Olhsson (12.93.85.19) on Monday, July 14, 2003 - 01:47 pm:

I think somebody told me, possibly at the Stax Museum, that the the idea for "Dock of the Bay" came from somebody else after he got back to Memphis and was telling them about his experience.