By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:00 pm:

There are a few examples of a version of a song arranged in a different tempo:" For you love"(Ed Townsend)(Sam & Bill)." Sweet Thing "(Rufus)(Sherman Hunter)(Loleatta Holloway). The two songs mentioned were made more soulful. Can anyone come up with some more examples.

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:03 pm:

"Summertime" both by Sam Cooke
"Needed" both by the Voicemasters

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:15 pm:

"Sugar,sugar" (Archies) (Wicked Pickett)

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:24 pm:

"I want to hold your hand" (Beatles) (Lakeside)More soulful is the operative term.

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:32 pm:

This is an opportune time to demonstrate what is meant by the term "soul music". Compare the versions mentioned above, Need I say more. Soul music has balls.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:55 pm:

SOULPUSS: WOULDN'T THE ALL TIME CLASSIC IN THIS CATAGORY HAVE TO BE "HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE" BY GLADYS KNIGHT AND THE PIPS AS WELL AS MARVIN GAYE!!!...MARVINS COVER WAS A MUCH DEEPER...DARKER...AND PLEADING INTERPRETATION...VERSUS (SORRY SUE)...GLADYS...MORE UPTEMPO...THATS THE WAY IT IS TYPE OF MESSAGE... SORT OF IN THE MENTALITY OF ARETHA'S "THINK"...A BIT SASSY...AND FULL OF ACCEPTANCE OF THE SITUATION VERSUS MARVINS...I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN LIVE WITHOUT YOU TYPE OF MESSAGE!!!...MY TAKE...STU

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 11:34 pm:

Stubass: The difference between Gladys' and Marvin's is not as dramatic as the ones I mentioned above. A little too subtle to be the all time classic.

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 11:43 pm:

SOULPUSS: I'LL THINK IT OVER AGAIN IF YOU WILL!!!...IN ADDITION TO TEMPO...I BELIEVE THAT MARVIN AND GLADYS PORTRAYED A DIFFERENT SET OF EMOTIONS...AND THIS WAS NOT AN EXAMPLE OF A FLOP THAT PRODUCERS HOPED TO TURN INTO A HIT BY GOING 180-DEGREES...OR A HIT...THE PRODUCERS TRIED TO STEAL A SECOND PAYCHECK OFF OF BY REDOING A TUNE WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY A DIFFERENT SET OF WRITERS!!!...GLADYS AND MARVIN JUST DID VARYING INTREPRETATIONS TO A SONG THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A "HIT" EITHER WAY...IF PERFORMED PROPERLY...AND WERE ALLOWED TO BRING THEIR INDIVIDUAL MUSICAL PERSONALITIES TO BEAR ON THEIR RESPECTIVE PERFORMANCES!!!...STU

By Vickie (205.188.209.38) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 04:17 am:

"Ain't No Mountain High Enough" both versions are very different...

Vickie

By Eli (151.197.38.191) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 06:58 am:

Soulpuss.. The two versions of Grapevine ARE dramatically different.
Anyone with ears will take notice that the Marvin version has a quasi "Indian" groove with the two and four on the toms while the Gladys version is a faster soul-funk version.

By Nish (216.148.244.38) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 09:58 am:

Stop! In The Name Of Love - Kim Weston/Supremes.
Ask The Lonely - Four Tops/Barbara Lewis
The Look Of Love - Dusty Springfield/Isaac Hayes

Stu and Eli, I concur on the "Grapevine" thing definitely coming from two different musical and emotional directions

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:02 am:

Hello Everybody: The versions of "Grapevine" are different but neither of them runs my goosebump meter into the red. I was trying to show how a poppish type song can be turned into a searing slab of soul with the right arrangement. Loleatta's version of Rufus' "Sweet Thing" is a perfect example. Levi & Tops take on Tommy Edwards "It's all in the game" is another good example. It puts me into a trance. I like my soul heavy.

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:16 am:

"Ask the lonely" (Four Tops) (Barbara Lewis)John Gary Williams. Remember the new version has to be miles ahead in the soul quotient, likely to induce a heart attack.

By dvdmike (12.84.110.222) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:52 am:

The Temptations recorded two versions of "Gonna Keep On Tryin' 'Till I Win Your Love". The original version on the 1969 "Cloud Nine" LP was uptempo and featured a lead by Dennis Edwards. The remake from the 1971 "Sky's The Limit" album was a mellow ballad and featured an Eddie Kendricks lead.

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 10:58 am:

So, by your reckoning, Four Tops' "Ask The Lonely" is miles BEHIND in the 'Soul' quotient? Hel-lo..!

By STUBASS (152.163.204.193) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:10 am:

MORNING SOULPUSS: IF WE STILL DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE ON "GRAPEVINE"...NO PROBLEM...JUST DIFFERENCE OF OPINION!!!...AT HIS POINT...FOR ME TO HIT THE VERY TOP OF YOUR EMOTION METER...I WILL CALL IN THE "HEAVY ARTILLERY"...HERE GOES!!!..."TUTTI FRUITTI"...THE SCREAMING "LITTLE RICHARD" VERSION, AS COMPARED TO THE "WONDER BREAD" "PAT BOONE" VERSION...I THINK WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS SITUATION BEFORE...AND NOT ONLY WERE TEMPO AND STYLE INVOLVED...BUT SO WERE THE POLITICS OF RACE AND THE BUSINESS OF RECORD SALES IN THAT DECISION TO PRODUCE TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS!!!...ALSO..."DANCING IN THE STREETS" "VANDELLAS" VS "THE STONES"...AND ANOTHER WOULD BE "ROUTE 66"....BOBBY TROUPE VS. NAT KING COLE VS. "THE STONES"...MAKING ONE THINK THAT OTHER THAN "SATISFACTION"...THE ROLLING STONES NEVER DID *ANYTHING* FIRST!!!...STU

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:16 am:

Hmmm... the Stones' much-praised cover of Route 66 was closely modelled on Chuck Berry's version. Typically, the English boys got all the credit from those who didn't know any better!

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:37 am:

Stu...
...would a better comparison of "Dancin' In The Streets" be Vandella's against the Mamas And The Papas? The M&P's start out ok, but it ends up turning into a folk song by the time it finishes.

Richie....
....I realise it's a chicken and egg question, but which came first, The Stones "Route 66", or the Them version?

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:49 am:

Douglas - the Stones' version is on the Got Live If You Want It EP released June 1965. Them's version appeared on their debut album, released in December of the same year. I guess the Londoners beat the Belfast boys.

By Soulpuss (24.102.217.36) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 11:49 am:

Hello Ritchie: John Gary Williams version of "Ask the lonely" still nips the Tops at the finish line. I like how the Tops do "Call on me'. Beautiful song.

By Mark Speck (65.57.21.16) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 02:30 pm:

Pretty much any of the classic Isaac Hayes covers that dominate his early LPs: "Walk On By" (also a different tempo version by Average White Band and by D-Train), "Ain't No Sunshine", etc.

Best,

Mark

By Aljaydu (68.18.114.231) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 05:12 pm:

John Gary Williams' version over the Tops' "Ask The Lonely"???? Pla-eeeeeeeze!!!!!

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 05:22 pm:

DOUG: ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT "DANCING IN THE STREETS" (CO-WRITTEN BY OLD PAL IVY JO) WAS COVERED MANY, MANY TIMES...I HAVE NEVER HEARD THE MAMA'S AND PAPA'S VERSION...SINCE I THOUGHT THAT ALL THEY WERE DOING WAS "CALIFORNIA DREAMING"!!!...STU

By R&B (138.238.41.128) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 03:56 pm:

THE TEMPS ALSO DID TWO VERSIONS OF SILENT NIGHT WITH THE SECOND BEING A LOT LONGER,BUT THE FIRST MORE BEAUTIFUL.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 05:26 pm:

ANY SONG THE GROUP VANILLA FUDGE SLOWED DOWN & BEAT TO A PULP (the list is too long...)

"Mustang Sally" - the original by its writer Sir Mack Rice was bluesy while Wilson Pickett's was high octane.

"Turn Back The Hands of Time" - Tyrone Davis recorded two versions - the original hit from 1970 & a ballad version in 1975 (both for Dakar Records)

"See You In September" - the Tempos recorded it first (as a verrrry slow ballad) and was rescued by the Happenings with their peppy, uptempo hit version from 1966 (the Happenings did the same with Steve Lawrence's "Go Away Little Girl"). Both Happenings versions are my favorites.

"Heaven Must Have Sent You" - Elgins from '66, Bonnie Pointer's disco hit from '79. Both are good to me.

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By douglasm (68.113.15.28) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 07:06 pm:

I realise it's out of gengre, but Neil Sedaka did two versions of "Breaking Up Is Hard To Do". Both hits. Does make a decent torch song.

By 1wicked (64.32.154.94) on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 01:12 pm:

Douglasm...u just gave me an "American Bandstand" flashback !! Neil Sedaka, Steve Alaimo, Connie Francis, Paul Revere & The Raiders, Keith, and ? and The Mysterians seemed to be his ONLY guests at one point......