|By MEL&THEN SOME (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:37 am:|
I dont know if we have spoke about
if so apologies.
If not can anyone tell me what he is involved with today.
I Know he was a vocalist at one time
then turned to producing and song writing with
set ups at
Invictus and Hot Wax records.
any info appreciated
|By gdwms (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:40 am:|
I believe you mean Ronald Dunbar,who wrote with
Edith Wayne for Invictus/Hot Wax.It's two people.
|By Eli (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:52 am:|
"Edith Wayne" was a collective pseudonym that the Hollands used at the time because of them still being legally bound to Jobete at the time, using their real names would be in breach of their contracts which were still in effect albeit in litigation.
|By TonyRussi (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 09:55 am:|
I've always wondered about that whole situation because Ronald Dunbar/Edith Wayne were a very successful writing team....I read an article at one time that questioned whether they even existed as a writing team and the article eluded to the fact that Ronald Dunbar was an employee of HDH but that it was HDH that actually wrote all those songs.It had some thing to do with the lawsuit with Motown/Jobete why they could not use their names as the writers.Anyone else here this?Maybe this has been discussed before.
|By Tony Russi (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:04 pm:|
Thats it Eli, I remember hearing and/or reading that eons ago.Thanks.
|By Eli (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:28 pm:|
They couldnt even use HDH. They were "Stagecoach Productions"
|By Eli (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, August 14, 2003 - 12:35 pm:|
I believe that "Edith"was Lamonts mom and Wayne was for Wayne State.
The story goes that at the time they were tring to come up with 'bogus" name they looked out on to Woodward and saw the sign Wayne State University and that was it.
BTW, Atlantic Starr named themselves in a similar fashion.
They were living on Atlantic ave in long Beach right across from Starr high school.
I was there at the "Christening", so to speak.
|By gdwms (188.8.131.52) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 09:18 am:|
Thanks for clearing that matter up.I always had my suspicions about the names attributed to those
Hot Wax/Invictus hits.Why they suddenly stopped writing when HDH started using their own names again.One listen to them and you could tell it was
HDH,but I had read they held a songwriting workshop and their style influenced their protoges'.It's nice to know the "Real Story".
There were also great writers using their own names,William Weatherspoon,Greg Perry,Angelo Bond & General Johnson.
|By Scratcher (184.108.40.206) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 10:57 am:|
Ronald Dunbar was a songwriter prior to Invictus/Hot Wax and after I/HW. Dunbar wrote songs with other I/HW writers as well including Angelo Bond, Clyde Wilson and General Johnson. He co-wrote many songs for Parliarment/Funkedellic and George Clinton didn't just give away songwriting credits. He wrote most of those songs credited to Dunbar/Wayne with Eddie Holland. Wayne was the dummy credit not Dunbar, Wayne was a pseudonym for Eddie Holland; Wayne is listed as the co-writer on many songs with Lamont Dozier and Brian Holland but never Eddie Holland.
|By Tony Russi (220.127.116.11) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:49 am:|
HDH need to write a book...that would be very interesting.I knew Ronald Dunbar was a real person and Scratcher you are right because I have the 45's to prove it...Dunbar writing with the other Gold Forever writers.
|By Scratcher (18.104.22.168) on Friday, August 15, 2003 - 11:57 am:|
And Tony you'll also see Edythe Wayne writing with other Gold Forever writers like Richard Davis, Brian Holland and Lamont Dozier but you'll never see her name and Eddie Holland's credited on the same song because EW was a pseudonym for Eddie Holland. I heard once that she was a family friend of the Holland's, could also be a relative. Brian and Lamont's Motown songwriting contracts expired before Eddie Holland's.
|By motown_david (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 03:05 pm:|
I showed Freda Payne an advert from Cashbox for one of her songs when she was over in England for the DITS tour with Edwin and Martha last year. I asked her who the guy was in the picture with her and she replied that it was "Ronald Dunbar, one of the writers at Invictus". He was very real to Freda.
|By David Meikle (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 - 03:37 pm:|
You will find that pic in the archives around the time of the event.