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Milli Vanilli (millie)
1-Arriviste
Username: millie
Post Number: 2
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.62.5.125
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 5:55 pm: �� |     ���  |
The only single I remember by this group was "Heaven Must Have Sent You"...released on Motown in '71/72. I had the pleasure of working with them in the early '90's with Ian Levine.
Millie |
Phil (phil)
1-Arriviste
Username: phil
Post Number: 9
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 212.129.40.193
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 6:32 pm: �� | ��� |
Millie, "Heaven ..." was released in '66, as was their fantastic LP on VIP,"Darling baby", which had, unfortunately, the worst cover of all the Motown LP's. Check it out ! |
Eli (phillysoulman)
3-Pundit
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.16.125
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 7:30 pm: �� | ��� |
Believe it or not, there is a bogus Elgins here in Philly.
Their leader, even had the cohones to go on the NBC Philly morning show, live, to tell about his life at Motown and his "road stories".
I live near the tv studio and I was tempted to go over there and spill the beans, but chose not to.
BTW, he was recently released from prison on other offenses.
His bogus cd even has the Motown "M" on it!! |
~medusa~ (~medusa)
1-Arriviste
Username: ~medusa
Post Number: 2
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 68.252.13.99
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 8:27 pm: �� | ��� |
They also had a song titiled "Put Yourself In My Place" |
Boynextdoor (boynextdoor)
1-Arriviste
Username: boynextdoor
Post Number: 5
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.171.248
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 8:31 pm: �� | ��� |
I have the Ian Levin CD of The Elgins. Are any of these people originals? |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
2-Debutant
Username: luke
Post Number: 20
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.252.166
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 10:41 pm: �� | ��� |
Is it accurate that Saundra Edwards(original lead) recorded as a solo for Levine and that Yvonne(her 70s replacement)recorded with the other "Elgins"?(Ive wondered y Motown didnt do more with them considering Saundra's great voice,the Elgins sensational vocals and their not shabby success with their intial releases. Motown hung in with the Supremes,Syreeta etc who didnt hit for a long time and the Elgins scored a moderate hit right away. Heaven Must Have Sent You is one of my 2 all time Motown fave songs). |
Flynny (anoraks_corner)
1-Arriviste
Username: anoraks_corner
Post Number: 8
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.131.201.215
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 6:32 am: �� | ��� |
Yvonee Allen (Correc-Tone & Sonbert artist under her maiden name, Yvonne Vernee)took over from Saundra during the 70's, and has been with them ever since...including the two tours of the UK in the mid 70's and early 90's. |
Eli (phillysoulman)
3-Pundit
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 57
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.57
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:23 am: �� | ��� |
The guy's name who has the bogus Elgins is Virgil Ginyard and his wife is the bogus lead.
he puts on shows here in Philly usually with his bogus group on the bill. |
Nosey (nosey)
2-Debutant
Username: nosey
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.153.113.238
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 9:23 am: �� | ��� |
Jimmy Mack, I agree with you. I've often wondered why Motown didn't hang in there with the Elgins as well? |
Phil (phil)
1-Arriviste
Username: phil
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.36.28.78
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:51 am: �� | ��� |
Nosey, in the book "The Motown Story", by Don Waller, there's a picture of the Elgins, with this comment : "Plain to see why Sandra Mallett, lead singer for the Elgins, was easily overlooked". And yes, she was not as pretty as the other Motown girls, like Martha,or Diana. But it's a shame, because their LP is excellent from beginning to end. Another Motown injustice ! |
Eli (phillysoulman)
3-Pundit
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 63
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.57
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:05 am: �� | ��� |
Nosey,
Being from Philly, are you aware of the bogus Elgins, as they might have performed at smoe of Ali's shows. |
Eli (phillysoulman)
3-Pundit
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 64
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.19.57
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:06 am: �� | ��� |
**some |
SDF (handsome)
1-Arriviste
Username: handsome
Post Number: 7
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 170.118.158.14
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 11:54 am: �� | ��� |
Hi All.
Here are the songs featured on the Elgins lp:
VIPS-400 - Darling Baby - Elgins [10/66] Released in monaural as VIP-400. Darling Baby/In The Midnight Hour/Heaven Must Have Sent You/I Understand My Man/Good Lovin'/It's Gonna Be Hard Times//Put Yourself In My Place/634-5789/No Time For Tears/How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You)/Stay In My Lonely Arms/When A Man Loves A Woman
Handsome
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Nosey (nosey)
2-Debutant
Username: nosey
Post Number: 19
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.153.113.238
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 12:12 pm: �� | ��� |
Yes, I'm aware of the lyin' Virgil! Grrr! |
Nosey (nosey)
2-Debutant
Username: nosey
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.153.113.238
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 1:25 pm: �� | ��� |
And another thing!
Eli, I feel ya! I was in a club where he was regaling folks with his stories and I wanted to "out" him right then and there! Also, my best buddy, Dennis and I got into a heated exchange about Lyin Virgil and I had to call my cousin in Detroit to confirm that no one ever heard of Virgil in Detroit! Besides, Virgil is too young (early 50s) to have been an orginal Elgin! |
Lars (lg_nilsson)
1-Arriviste
Username: lg_nilsson
Post Number: 1
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.112.151.74
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 7:07 pm: �� | ��� |
This great song was not included in their album. It was first recorded by THE FIVE QUAILS on Harvey 114 as "Been A Long Time"
Lars |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
2-Debutant
Username: luke
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
| | Posted on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 10:50 pm: �� | ��� |
I always thought that Don Waller comment was mean-spirited, out of place in a music history book and weird-Saundra looked fine--not all of the Marvelettes,Vandellas etc are stunning as are not most people on the planet.(Celine,Clay Aiken etc have done alright for themselves too!) |
Nosey (nosey)
2-Debutant
Username: nosey
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.153.113.238
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 12:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Eli: You are right about Virgil getting out of the joint. My best buddy told me last night she saw he and Sonseray/Sharon walking down Chestnut Street last week. (You know he ain't easy on the eyes.) |
roger (roger)
1-Arriviste
Username: roger
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.35.87.17
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 1:43 pm: �� | ��� |
Hello everyone.
"Heaven Must Have Sent You" by THE ELGINS was re-issued in the U.K. in 1971 and reached #3 on the National Charts. This probably explains some of the confusion earlier in the thread abount when it was released, as I think it got re-promoted in the States on the back of its U.K. success.
There is also a version of the tune by THE CONTINENTAL FOUR from 1972, presumably recorded in an attempt to take advantage of the interest in the song at the time.
Of course, like many U.K. re-issue hits at the time, it never repeated its success across the Pond as the U.S. market had moved on to other things.
Anyway, I can report that it is STILL a very popular record here. Last night I went for rest and recuperation in a bar near where I live that has a late license .. ( yes folks, I do enjoy the odd pint or two ). At the end of the night, after a couple of hours of solid Hip-Hop/Banghra/R&B/Rap etc. the D.J. finished off the evening by playing some old "party" favourites. And guess what was the last but one tune he played .. "Heaven Must Have Sent You" by THE ELGINS.
It was great seeing all those twenty-somethings bouncing up and down to this wonderful tune, proving once again .. "Soul" is NOT dead, and great music lives for ever!!
Roger |
BankHouseDave (bankhousedave)
3-Pundit
Username: bankhousedave
Post Number: 40
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.10
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 3:26 pm: �� | ��� |
Put Yourself In My Place is a great HDH song that I first heard as a Supremes B side (You Can't Hurry Love?), and was also on the Isleys' Motown album, but the Elgins version is by far the best. |
Flynny (anoraks_corner)
2-Debutant
Username: anoraks_corner
Post Number: 11
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.122.51.163
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 5:54 pm: �� | ��� |
Worth mentioning that the initial presses of 'Put yourself in my place' (both WDs and stock copies!) were credited to The Downbeats, before being withdrawn and stuck out as by The Elgins.
By the way, it's pronounced, 'Eljins'. |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
2-Debutant
Username: luke
Post Number: 26
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 8:27 pm: �� | ��� |
Did the Elgins do any TV appearances back in the day? Any particular reason Saundra didnt eventually re-unite with them? |
LadyMystique (ladymystique)
2-Debutant
Username: ladymystique
Post Number: 14
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 216.222.243.107
| | Posted on Friday, April 16, 2004 - 8:29 pm: �� | ��� |
I love HEAVEN MUST HAVE SENT YOU. Did they have any other songs out? |
Phil (phil)
2-Debutant
Username: phil
Post Number: 16
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 212.129.41.193
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 2:59 am: �� | ��� |
LadyMystique, try to get their LP, every track is a winner ! Also, Bonnie Pointer did a great cover of "Heaven...", on her first LP. |
LadyMystique (ladymystique)
2-Debutant
Username: ladymystique
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 216.222.243.117
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 8:34 am: �� | ��� |
Cool...thanks! |
Phil (phil)
2-Debutant
Username: phil
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 212.129.36.193
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:31 am: �� | ��� |
I just saw this LP on ebay, and I think you can get it cheap. Also, there is one CD, Monitors & Elgins , consisting of both LP's , + 3 unreleased cuts by the Monitors .Good luck for your bids ! |
LadyMystique (ladymystique)
3-Pundit
Username: ladymystique
Post Number: 32
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 216.222.243.117
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 10:46 am: �� | ��� |
Thank you...I will try it today! |
Jimmy Mack (luke)
3-Pundit
Username: luke
Post Number: 33
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.198.48.201
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 1:00 pm: �� | ��� |
Has the sound of Heaven Must Have Sent You been improved on any recent CDs?I have it on a 90s Motown collection and the sound is atrocious. |
tsaneladi (tsaneladi)
1-Arriviste
Username: tsaneladi
Post Number: 9
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.32.91.222
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 1:58 pm: �� | ��� |
If this character owns the name "The Elgins" he is not bogus, at least in the eyes of the law. Ethics are another story... |
Eli (phillysoulman)
4-Laureate
Username: phillysoulman
Post Number: 113
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.163.25.69
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 2:13 pm: �� | ��� |
The "Character" of whom I speak, Virgil Ginyard owns absolutely nothing connected to the Elgins.
He is a sham artist, and everyone here knows it. |
tsaneladi (tsaneladi)
1-Arriviste
Username: tsaneladi
Post Number: 10
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.32.91.222
| | Posted on Saturday, April 17, 2004 - 3:21 pm: �� | ��� |
Then I would ask, who DOES own the name. Someone connected with the original group, management, etc. likely had the name registered ( I hope) Only they have legal remedy available to them to stop him from using it.
It's very sad to see these artists ( and their fans) continue to be exploited by cons and fakes. I'm sure you all familiar with the various Drifters, Contours etc that were around bakc a few years ago... |