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jobeterob
09-03-2013, 02:29 PM
DeliciousAfter Detroit, how about 401[[k)s for public workers?By Matthew Brouillette, Special to CNN
September 3, 2013 -- Updated 1423 GMT [[2223 HKT)
The Motor City sputters to a stopSTORY HIGHLIGHTS
Matthew Brouillette: Detroit's pension mess is a warning to other cities and states
Brouillette: Solution is to switch to 401[[k) plans which is common in the private sector
He says market risks of 401[[k)s require more personal responsibility for workers
Brouillette: If cities and states keep the pension system, it will be too costly in the long run
Editor's note: Matthew Brouillette is the president and CEO of the Commonwealth Foundation, a free market think tank in Pennsylvania.

[[CNN) -- As another Labor Day comes to pass, it's worth reflecting on the legacy of Detroit and its workers.

Detroit's bankruptcy is a warning to other cities -- and even states -- that public pension systems are a ticking time bomb with potentially catastrophic consequences.

Unfunded pension debt, which in Detroit stands at $3.5 billion and is roughly one-sixth of the city's total debt, is a national problem that has already put other city and state governments on the same road to insolvency.


Matthew BrouilletteThe problem is being ignored amid a rash of finger-pointing and blame-shifting. Few are calling for the kind of pension reforms that could prevent other places from encountering the Motor City's crisis.

Quite simply, cities and states need to consider switching from the prevailing "defined benefit" pension plans to the "defined contribution" plans common in the private sector. This single fix could drastically change the course of a government's financial health by making retirement plan for public-sector workers affordable for taxpayers and predictable for actuaries.

First, consider the illness. Detroit's pension debt pales in comparison to the hundreds of billions of dollars that other cities and municipalities owe their pensioners.

New York City, for instance, is much worse off than Detroit, with some $69.9 billion in pension debts. The only difference between the Big Apple and the Motor City is that it the former has a burgeoning economy that masks the looming crisis, keeping the tax bill at bay even as the pension debt grows larger.


Detroit files for bankruptcy
Mitch Albom: Detroit is not Atlantis Worse yet, city pension debt is dwarfed by that of state pension debt.

In Pennsylvania, the unfunded total in the state's two pension funds is $47 billion. Next door, New York faces pension debts of $133 billion, while Illinois' clocks in at $167 billion. California is the worst, with $370 billion in unfunded pension liabilities.

Combined, city and state unfunded pension debts amount to $4.6 trillion, according to an analysis published by State Budget Solutions, a conservative-leaning group.

The crisis is recognized by many, but unfortunately, most of the proposed solutions are either shortsighted or just plain silly. In Illinois, for instance, Gov. Pat Quinn at one point suggested a federal bailout of the state's pension debt, a call that has been echoed by many for Detroit. Given the federal government's own fiscal problems, this proposal has been dismissed as irresponsible.

Tax increases are another option. One analysis estimated that an average tax hike of $1,385 per household would be required to fix the debt. In my home state of Pennsylvania, we estimate that working families will soon need to contribute an additional $878 per year to pay rising pension costs -- a devastating blow to those still recovering from the recession.

While the problem is already enormous, it will only get worse in the coming years unless governments transition to defined contribution systems, like the 401[[k).

Both defined benefit plans -- which purport to guarantee a set income for life -- and 401[[k)-type plans carry with them some risk for public employees. In the case of defined benefit plans, Detroit shows that taxpayers may not always be able to pay what the government promises.

As for the 401[[k), individual retirement investments are subject to the ups and downs of the market, requiring more attention, planning and personal responsibility on the part of the employee.

The private sector, being more responsive to market pressures, realized the dangers posed by defined benefit plans and the benefits of 401[[k)s long ago and acted accordingly. From 1979 to 2011, the percentage of businesses offering defined benefit plans plummeted from 62% to a mere 7%. Over the same period, defined contribution plans more than quadrupled from 16% to 69%.

Businesses made these changes because defined benefit plans are unpredictable, inefficient and too costly in the long run. But cities and states aren't so different: They can pass costs on to taxpayers and their children only for so long, until eventually --as in Detroit -- the bill comes due.

Unfortunately, Detroit's public pensioners will likely pay this bill themselves when their pensions are cut in bankruptcy proceedings. They need only look to San Bernardino, California, which received court approval to do just that on August 28.

But other cities and states can still prevent the crisis from boxing their own public workers into a similar financial bind. If governments across the nation seize the moment and make the change to a defined contribution system -- as Pennsylvania is poised to do this fall -- they'll save their citizens from a fate like Detroit's, where opportunity and prosperity have been replaced by bankruptcy and hoped-for bailouts.

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RossHolloway
09-03-2013, 02:36 PM
Isn't this also a huge problem in Chicago/Illinois?

Kamasu_Jr
09-03-2013, 04:09 PM
It's a problem in Memphis too. Did you know that the garbage workers who Martin Luther King tried to help and was murdered for don't have a pension plan - not even a 401k system in which employees save some of their earnings. There are garbage workers in their 80s still working because they don't have a pension fund on which they can retire. We pay around $18.00 a month for trash pickup. The garbage workers want to raise it by $2.00 so they can get a pension, but people don't want to pay it. The garbage dept. can't attract younger workers because of its history.
They are having brown outs at various fire stations across the city. This means if you need the fire department or emergency services, they might not come because it could be the day a station is closed. The problem is Memphis has no city tax and citizens want city services but they don't want to pay for them. They want low property taxes, million dollar homes, but low taxes.

jobeterob
09-03-2013, 07:57 PM
From time to time, there are some incredibly ominous signs coming out of the American economy.

StuBass1
09-03-2013, 10:33 PM
People who can't do math should not pass laws or negotiate labor contracts that governmental agencies cannot afford. Those "generous" benefit packages and faulty math are now coming home to roost...and everyone wants to know where the money is...Easy answer is that it was never really there to start with and governments failed to make the tough decisions because politicians wanted the support of organized labor and were afraid to say no. Detroit is just the tip of the iceberg...

RossHolloway
09-04-2013, 09:51 AM
People who can't do math should not pass laws or negotiate labor contracts that governmental agencies cannot afford. Those "generous" benefit packages and faulty math are now coming home to roost...and everyone wants to know where the money is...Easy answer is that it was never really there to start with and governments failed to make the tough decisions because politicians wanted the support of organized labor and were afraid to say no. Detroit is just the tip of the iceberg...

Well I don't think this is a problem because of "organized labor", I think its a problem with capitalism that no one wants to deal with.

jobeterob
09-04-2013, 10:36 AM
I guess in the end, the market will deal with it ~ but what that will do to people and lives will be devastating.

StuBass1
09-04-2013, 01:32 PM
Well I don't think this is a problem because of "organized labor", I think its a problem with capitalism that no one wants to deal with.

Yes...I guess if you're opposed to capitalism, that would be a problem LOL...

motony
09-04-2013, 01:43 PM
amen, StuBass1!

RossHolloway
09-04-2013, 02:11 PM
Yes...I guess if you're opposed to capitalism, that would be a problem LOL...

I'm not opposed to capitalism, but I think too many people are blissfully ignorant of its flaws and stick their heads in the sands and hope that it will either all disappear or self-correct itself, but instead it ends up like the situation in Detroit, and Chicago, and Memphis and many other cities and states, large and small.

Capitalism is an economic plan, not a plan for governing. Capitalism is about making money and creating wealth, its not about whats best for the country or its citizens.

smark21
09-04-2013, 08:20 PM
And besides which, city government and union pension funds are hardly pure examples of socialism. How do pension funds increase their funds? They invest in the stock market and the bond market. I’ve learned not to take posters like StuBass and Motony seriously when it comes to political issues as they just recite simpleminded talking points they digest from Fox News and Right Wing talk radio.

The pension shortage issue is very complex and many parties are to blame across the political spectrum for their mismanagement and financial shortfalls and the ones who are paying [[or will pay) the price are the workers who were depending on the system to live with some comfort in their retirement.

StuBass1
09-05-2013, 03:39 PM
Wow Motony...I'm so impressed that someone knows what television networks we watch and what stations I tune my SIRIUS radio station to. Appears we've got some sort of NSA spy here at Soulful Detroit since neither one of us apparently has the ability to think for ourselves LOL.

StuBass1
09-05-2013, 03:50 PM
Oh and BTW...During the Coleman Young administration when much of this irresponsible fiscal behavior was going on I was news anchor [[and reporter) for two of Detroits most successful radio stations [[WWWW and WOMC)...GIVING...not receiving the news, and observing firsthand how to F%*K up a.city :rolleyes:...

nysister
09-06-2013, 08:40 PM
Kamasu, I too complain about NYC high taxes all the time, but I 'm grateful for emergency services, police dept., fire dept., sanitation, etc. And when it comes down to attracting younger workers for the NYC Sanitation Department, when the sanitation test comes around, which is not often, you should see the amount of people who sleep outside just to get an application, male and female.