UMG Select Sets Motown Singles Vol. 12A and 12B

[zani57]

This was just posted on the UMG Select Twitter feed --

https://twitter.com/umgselect/status/311538421959114752

" Yes 2 vols, 12A this summer and 12B hopefully by the end of the year. We are so happy they are back on track! "

[thisoldheart]

yessssssssss!

[kenneth]

Fantastic!!!

[RossHolloway]

Best news all week!!!!!

[wichmanne]

Fantastic news.

I wonder [[no pun intended) if this development is related at all to the rumor that two of Stevie's albums were about to be reissued by UMG/Motown and given the deluxe treatment. This has since been denied by somebody close to Stevie.

I hope that Motown and Stevie have come to a deal that allows 12A, 12B to proceed but also allows much more in regards to Stevie's work.

[mysterysinger]

Yes - it's great news.

[Stone Diamond]

Great news is that Hip-O-Select are finally releasing Vol. 12a & 12b.
The Bad news is they do appear to have been swallowed up by the corporate giant
that is Universal Music.
Lets hope they can keep a bit of Independence, and not toe the corporate
line; which will see them dictated to with what to release.
The great thing about independent companies [[such as Ace/Kent) is they are
run by people who care, people who know and love their music; people who have
the drive to dig at corporations and get out of them tracks that would never see
the light of day.

[soulster]

Great news is that Hip-O-Select are finally releasing Vol. 12a & 12b.
The Bad news is they do appear to have been swallowed up by the corporate giant
that is Universal Music.
Lets hope they can keep a bit of Independence, and not toe the corporate
line; which will see them dictated to with what to release.
The great thing about independent companies [[such as Ace/Kent) is they are
run by people who care, people who know and love their music; people who have
the drive to dig at corporations and get out of them tracks that would never see
the light of day.







Uh...I hate to break this to you, but Hip-O/Motown Hip-O Select was always owned by UMe.

Anyway, here is the tweet: https://twitter.com/umgselect/status/311538421959114752

[mr_postman]

Hooray!

Looks like Hip-O's own twitter account has been taken down: https://twitter.com/hiposelect

[soulster]

Hooray? Why are you happy about that?

[hwume]

Select indeed has always been an imprint of UMG.

And yes: hallelujah! Can't wait for these final volumes in the series to come forth. Wait till you see the single for Vol. 12A.

[carole cucumber]

Which is???????

[hwume]

All will be revealed...

[RossHolloway]

Select indeed has always been an imprint of UMG.

And yes: hallelujah! Can't wait for these final volumes in the series to come forth. Wait till you see the single for Vol. 12A.

Any chance the series could extend beyond 1972?

[thisoldheart]

where is the post with the list of singles from the first half of 1972. i wanna guess what single is gonna be on the cover!?

[calvin]

Not the biggest hit of the first half of 1972 [[would that be MJ again, either Rockin' Robin or I Wanna Be Where You Are?), but maybe Smokey Robinson & The Miracles "We've Come Too Far To End It Now" might be appropriate?

[carole cucumber]

http://soulfuldetroit.com/showthread.php?8158-Tcms12a-1972&highlight=1972+singles

I'm hoping it's Jr. Walker 'Walk In the Night'

[mr_postman]

soulster, "hooray" was exclusively directed towards the TCMS12A/B news. I'm indifferent, perhaps slightly negative to the fact that Hip-O seems to have lost its twitter acount.

[thisoldheart]

thanks for finding the list, carol. it won't happen, but i want marvin gaye's "your the man" for the cover single. no obvious giants on the list ...

[calvin]

I'm hoping it's Jr. Walker 'Walk In the Night'

That would be a good choice - terrific song, and Jr Walker hasn't had a cover single in this series yet. And no Hip-O releases for him outside of compilations with other artists. It would be great if that changed...

[carole cucumber]

That's why I chose it and believe that Harry & company have been reading the threads that mention the lack of attention Jr. has gotten in relation to Motown Select Deluxe and Expanded Editions. His 'wait till you see the single' come-on gave me the impression that it just might be Junior's time.

[jboy88]

What about the Temps? I was kinda disappointed that Marvin's "What's Going On" was chosen over "Just My Imagination" for '71A, since Marvin had already been used for '68.

[thisoldheart]

What about the Temps? I was kinda disappointed that Marvin's "What's Going On" was chosen over "Just My Imagination" for '71A, since Marvin had already been used for '68.
but what temps? they are washed up by '72 and whitfield&strong have moved on to the undisputed truth.

[RossHolloway]

but what temps? they are washed up by '72 and whitfield&strong have moved on to the undisputed truth.

except for their HUGE hit Papa Was A Rolling Stone that was big in '72

[thisoldheart]

whoops! sorry! [[edited) ... didn't think i saw "papa was a ... " on the list of the first half of '72.

[calvin]

Well The Tempt's "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" would be a contender for 12B [[release date 28 September 1972, according to Wikipedia)... But I'd say Stevie Wonder's Superstition has to be the favourite for that.

[Ngroove]

Any chance the series could extend beyond 1972?

Would be nice. There was FARRR too many artists Detroit-era who finally got their due representation in CD form, why not Los Angeles as well? I'd love to finally hear High Inergy, Scherrie and Susaye, Mary Wilson, Apollo, Vanity, ect. in digital form.

[calvin]

I'd continue buying the series if it continues beyond 1972, just for the record. But I guess the quality would get more and more uneven beyond that point. And Motown was becoming more of an album label by this time. I'd also love to see Scherrie and Susaye, for example, but the whole LP. Also from the 70s - The Four Tops [[ABC Dunhill, but also Universal now), more from the Miracles, The Originals, and yes, Jr Walker [[with and without the All Stars). But we are getting LPs from this period from BBR and SoulMusic.

[hwume]

soulster, "hooray" was exclusively directed towards the TCMS12A/B news. I'm indifferent, perhaps slightly negative to the fact that Hip-O seems to have lost its twitter acount.

Hip-O Select has changed its name to, simply, Select, which necessitated a change to the Twitter handle. That's all.

[johnjeb]

We haven't seen a Rare Earth or MoWest single represented yet. Maybe it will be something from one of those labels. Sisters Love? Rare Earth?

[Kamasu_Jr]

Any chance the series could extend beyond 1972?God I hope not. These sets were too expensive and collecting them was too obsessive and time consuming. But that's just my personal opinion.

[soulster]

God I hope not. But that's just my personal opinion. I wish it would extend. Motown didn't end in 1972, even if the Detroit era ended.

[soulster]

Not the biggest hit of the first half of 1972 [[would that be MJ again, either Rockin' Robin or I Wanna Be Where You Are?), but maybe Smokey Robinson & The Miracles "We've Come Too Far To End It Now" might be appropriate?
They should all be there.


We haven't seen a Rare Earth or MoWest single represented yet. Rare Earth? Sure we have!

[soulster]

but what temps? they are washed up by '72 and whitfield&strong have moved on to the undisputed truth.
You couldn't be more wrong! the Temptations had many hits after 1972, and the chart books will show that. "Heavenly", "masterpiece", Hey, Girl"! I Like Your Style", Glass House", "Shakey Ground"...

[calvin]

Soulster, we were talking about which single might be the one in the cover as the included vinyl 45.

[soulster]

Soulster, we were talking about which single might be the one in the cover as the included vinyl 45.
I missed that bit, but what I posted still stands as a reply to the idea the Tempts were washed up by then.

[Ngroove]

Thinking...appropriate representative 45 then....

- Gladys Knight & the Pips "Neither One Of Us [[Wants To Be the First To Say Goodbye)"
- Michael Jackson "Ben"
- Temptations "Papa Was A Rollin' Stone"
- Stevie Wonder "Superstition"

[zani57]

When I click on that link of a Word Document of 1972 singles [[compiled in 2010), it seems to me that a number of singles are missing. For example, "Good Morning Heartache" by Diana Ross. Were there no single releases by The Supremes and The Four Tops in 1972?

[thisoldheart]

When I click on that link of a Word Document of 1972 singles [[compiled in 2010), it seems to me that a number of singles are missing. For example, "Good Morning Heartache" by Diana Ross. Were there no single releases by The Supremes and The Four Tops in 1972?
i think "automatically sunshine" & "your wonderful sweet sweet love" and the final tops on motown came out in 1972, but perhaps they are in the second half of the year.

[kje71]

Glad this is finally happening. Really hoping 12b at least has a "Corrections" disc for mistakes on previous years mixes, most glaringly with some Jackson 5 tracks.

[no_place_like_motown]

When I click on that link of a Word Document of 1972 singles [[compiled in 2010), it seems to me that a number of singles are missing. For example, "Good Morning Heartache" by Diana Ross. Were there no single releases by The Supremes and The Four Tops in 1972?

"A Simple Game" & "I Cant Quit Your Love" by the 4 Tops are listed on 12A as is "Automatically Sunshine" by The Supremes.

The Supremes' "Your Wonderful, Sweet Sweet Love", "I Guess I'll Miss The Man", The Four Tops' "[[It's The Way) Nature Planned It" and Diana Ross' "Good Morning Heartache" will be on 12B.

[zani57]

"A Simple Game" & "I Cant Quit Your Love" by the 4 Tops are listed on 12A as is "Automatically Sunshine" by The Supremes.

The Supremes' "Your Wonderful, Sweet Sweet Love", "I Guess I'll Miss The Man", The Four Tops' "[[It's The Way) Nature Planned It" and Diana Ross' "Good Morning Heartache" will be on 12B.

Thank you, No Place Like Motown. I knew "Good Morning Heartache" was 1972, but it makes sense that it would be on 12B.
I should have been clearer in my post. When I asked about The Supremes & The Four Tops, I did not mean them as separate acts. I saw that "Automatically Sunshine" was set for 12A. I actually was wondering if any of their group duets were released as singles in 1972. Sorry I was not more clear.

[thisoldheart]

"A Simple Game" & "I Cant Quit Your Love" by the 4 Tops are listed on 12A as is "Automatically Sunshine" by The Supremes.

The Supremes' "Your Wonderful, Sweet Sweet Love", "I Guess I'll Miss The Man", The Four Tops' "[[It's The Way) Nature Planned It" and Diana Ross' "Good Morning Heartache" will be on 12B.
is there already an official track listing for 12A&B? if so can someone post it, please!

[no_place_like_motown]

Thank you, No Place Like Motown. I knew "Good Morning Heartache" was 1972, but it makes sense that it would be on 12B.
I should have been clearer in my post. When I asked about The Supremes & The Four Tops, I did not mean them as separate acts. I saw that "Automatically Sunshine" was set for 12A. I actually was wondering if any of their group duets were released as singles in 1972. Sorry I was not more clear.

Your welcome Zani,

None of the group's duets were released as singles in 1972. Their last single, "You Gotta Have Love In Your Heart" was issued in 1971. No singles were released from their third LP, "Dynamite" issued in Dec. 1971.

[supremester]

I'm so glad they are doing 1972. I hope they go through '77. These collections are gold to me!

[carole cucumber]

A recent twitter confirms that Stevie Wonder's singles will be part of TCMS 1972.

[grapevine]

is there already an official track listing for 12A&B? if so can someone post it, please!

...here's one we made earlier

http://soulfuldetroit.com/showthread.php?3177-The-Complete-Motown-Singles-Volume-12&highlight=tcms12

:)

[soulster]

A recent twitter confirms that Stevie Wonder's singles will be part of TCMS 1972.
I'm glad they worked a deal out. Who knows, maybe this will someday lead to a Stevie Wonder Singles collection with the 70s and 80s single versions. I don't want to jump the gun, but I can hope!

[144man]

I hope that Motown and Stevie have come to a deal that allows 12A, 12B to proceed but also allows much more in regards to Stevie's work.

Is it official that it was Stevie Wonder holding things up?

[mysterysinger]

Back in 2001 those UK 2 on 1 CDs that included original artwork also promised some releases by Stevie Wonder that never happened. Wonder why? That was a great series that made available some very nice albums, but also omitted others strangely. Later, a set of Gladys Knight & Pips 2fers got released, in a different kind of packaging [[inferior I think) but still no Stevie. However, most[[all?) of his have been available individually on CD anyway plus some earlier 2fers. So it's hard to unerstand him objecting to releasing material in TCMS.

[soulster]

Is it official that it was Stevie Wonder holding things up? Well, they won't come out and say it publically, but, yes, that was the reason. Seems that, at some point, Stevie decided he did not want edited versions of his songs out there. He controls everything after 1971. That is why, when iTunes put up his Singles Collection, the set hardly had any single versions from the 70s and 80s.

[144man]

Well, they won't come out and say it publically, but, yes, that was the reason. Seems that, at some point, Stevie decided he did not want edited versions of his songs out there. He controls everything after 1971. That is why, when iTunes put up his Singles Collection, the set hardly had any single versions from the 70s and 80s.

It's a plausible assumption to make - but still just an assumption, not a concrete fact. There's a big difference between a normal commercial release and a limited edition aimed at a niche market. Does Stevie Wonder even know that "The Complete Motown Singles" series exists?

I can think of lots of possible reasons just as likely that would explain the delay.

[mjdestiny]

http://www.amazon.com/Vol-12-Motown-Singles-Motown/dp/B006XC9AUA/ref=sr_1_8?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1364238239&sr=1-8&keywords=motown

[keith_hughes]

They mean 12A, of course. But we're working hard on 12B, and I'm sure it will be out later in the year. There was some last-minute tweaking of the running order on 12A, Harry will no doubt post the track list soon.

[no_place_like_motown]

They mean 12A, of course. But we're working hard on 12B, and I'm sure it will be out later in the year. There was some last-minute tweaking of the running order on 12A, Harry will no doubt post the track list soon.

Thanks, Keith. Looking forward to Harry's post.

[carole cucumber]

Thanks, Keith. Looking forward to Harry's post.

The set is now listed at Import Cd's , pre-sale price $67.29.

[soulster]

It's a plausible assumption to make - but still just an assumption, not a concrete fact.
It is a fact. That is the only reason the set was held up.

[144man]

It is a fact. That is the only reason the set was held up.

If that's what you choose to believe, I'm not going to argue with you.

[Starguard4]

..... That is why, when iTunes put up his Singles Collection, the set hardly had any single versions from the 70s and 80s.

...when a Singles Collection, is NOT a Singles Collection.



It's a plausible assumption to make - but still just an assumption, not a concrete fact. There's a big difference between a normal commercial release and a limited edition aimed at a niche market. Does Stevie Wonder even know that "The Complete Motown Singles" series exists?

I can think of lots of possible reasons just as likely that would explain the delay.

Heard that it was not Stevie holding things up, but one of the Rare Earth Label groups whose 1972 single, rights previously reverting to the band, needed to be "re-acquired" for the 1972 TCMS set.

Shame Stevie has been blamed.

[soulster]

Could have been both. The story is that it was Stevie.




Heard that it was not Stevie holding things up, but one of the Rare Earth Label groups whose 1972 single, rights previously reverting to the band, needed to be "re-acquired" for the 1972 TCMS set.

Shame Stevie has been blamed.[/QUOTE]

[keith_hughes]

Personally, Soulster, I do NOT know it as a fact, although of course you may. Specifically, I do not know that Stevie Wonder or his people have ever said that we may not use any of his tracks on The Complete Motown Singles.

[soulster]

Personally, Soulster, I do NOT know it as a fact, although of course you may. Specifically, I do not know that Stevie Wonder or his people have ever said that we may not use any of his tracks on The Complete Motown Singles. Specifically, it was not about the use of his tracks, but the use of the single edits/versions that he objected to. Like I said, it makes sense if you consider that the download-only comp only has the album versions of his post-1971 material.

[hwume]

As the person who oversaw the project and spent several sleepless nights with Kevin Reeves, Andy Skurow and my co-compiler Kenny Gould assembling the project, I can tell you with absolute certainty that "The Complete Stevie Wonder Collection" we produced for iTunes in 2005 did not [[and does not) have all of his edited singles from the 1970s and 1980s for this reason and this reason only: we included singles from those eras that were different mixes or alternate performances to the album versions. If there were edits of the LP versions already on the set, we did not include them. Same with his 12-inch remixes: we did not include short "radio edits," if they existed, of included 12-inch versions. These decisions were ours. If we missed something unique, blame us.

For TCMS Volumes 12A and 12B, clearance for the SW singles from that year was one factor for the long delay in their production and release, just not the only one.

[nathanj06]

With a few exceptions maybe, wouldn't most of the singles from this point on be in stereo?

[144man]

Thank you Mr Weinger and Keith Hughes for taking the trouble to disclose that it wasn't just Stevie Wonder holding up TCMS12. I feel vindicated.

[Amithesameboy]

Very good news to hear that these are now going to come out and thanks and congratulations to all those involved in making it happen. It has taken a very very long time though and I remember being taken to task for being impatient when I merely asked if a release date had been determined. That post was well over three years ago.

[hwume]

If Brian W., who posted on the Steve Hoffman Forums about the J5 singles, is also on this thread, please email me, classic.motown@umusic.com

[snakepit]

it was actually held up by me........my credit card was melting :)

[kje71]

If Brian W., who posted on the Steve Hoffman Forums about the J5 singles, is also on this thread, please email me, classic.motown@umusic.com
I forwarded this message to him, hopefully this is regarding the wrong mixes :cool:

[mysterysinger]

Another must have set [[or 2 to be precise) but as others have said, wouldn't it be great to continue beyond volume 12? Wonder if Berry Gordy has ordered his set yet from Amazon?

[mjdestiny]

If Brian W., who posted on the Steve Hoffman Forums about the J5 singles, is also on this thread, please email me, classic.motown@umusic.com
The missing single mixes in previous TCMS are:
_ She's good [[single mono version #2) ,there are two single mix for this song, one is in the TCMS vol.11A [[with backing vocals ) and the second mix [[without backing vocals, it's like a solo Jermaine recording) is still unavailable on cd
__ Maybe tomorrow [[ short mono promo version), the TCMS includes the long versions:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Jackson-5-PROMO-45-MAYBE-TOMORROW-on-Original-MOTOWN-Label-/110797424779?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19cc0a888b#ht_500wt_1048
The incorrect single mixes in previous TCMS are:
_ Mama's pearl , the version includes in TMCS vol.11A it's not the original mono single but just the album version in mono...the single version includes the Tito's bum bum bum during the intro [[not hear on the TCMS version)
_ Abc , the TCMS includes a long mono version ....the correct single mix is in the Hitsville boxset.

[soulster]

For TCMS Volumes 12A and 12B, clearance for the SW singles from that year was one factor for the long delay in their production and release, just not the only one. I feel vindicated too.

[psychedelic jacques]

The missing single mixes in previous TCMS are:
_ She's good [[single mono version #2) ,there are two single mix for this song, one is in the TCMS vol.11A [[with backing vocals ) and the second mix [[without backing vocals, it's like a solo Jermaine recording) is still unavailable on cd
__ Maybe tomorrow [[ short mono promo version), the TCMS includes the long versions:
http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Jackson-5-PROMO-45-MAYBE-TOMORROW-on-Original-MOTOWN-Label-/110797424779?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item19cc0a888b#ht_500wt_1048
[/QUOTE]

Re 'Maybe Tomorrow'; there is a precedent in TCMS omitting an edited single version - it happened with The Temptations 'Runaway Child, Running Wild' [[and possibly others), so perhaps the omission of the shorter MT wasn't so much an error as an editorial decision to omit edits. If it was, then it was clearly an inconsistent decision, as other tracks [[such as the Ross 'Ain't No Mountain High Enough') had full and edited versions side by side. I remember feeling disappointed when they did not include the edit of 'Runaway Child', as that was the version I was familiar with from my youth and my Gordy single.

[carole cucumber]

From today's MusicTap"

Motown Select will release The Complete Motown Singles, Volume 12A – 1972 featuring Various Artists from the famed label. Scheduled for June 11.

[carole cucumber]

My copy of G.C. Cameron's "Love Songs & Other Tragedies" arrived today. As I read the booklet, I noticed a likely error for Mowest 5012/"I'm Gonna Get You, Parts 1 & 2".
The credits [[pg. 12) list the songwriter as Willie Hutch. The essay [[pg. 5) indicates that The Corporation were not only the producers but the songwriters.
As Keith Hughes had posted in a thread specifically dealing with the G.C. Cameron cd affirming that this single and "My Woman' were previously unreleased but not credited as such here , I decided to go to the 'Don't Forget The Motor City' website.
To my surprise, the last notation for "I'm Gonna Get You" [[written & produced by The Corporation) is mention of its inclusion in the [[unreleased) Complete Motown Singles Collection Vol. 12A 1972.
Using David Bianco's 'Heatwave' as a guide, I began to look up other 1972 single sides and soon discovered that they also were listed for that set. In fact I couldn't spot any from the first half of 1972 [[even Rare Earth and Mowest label artists) that were not included.
I had forgotten that Mowest 5001 Devastating Affair- "I Want To Be Humble"/"My Place" was issued in January 1972, even though Mowest 5002-5008 had all appeared from June-November of 1971.
I wonder what the story behind that one was? Keith or Harry, can you shed some light on what happened in the case of the first Devasting Affair single?

[keith_hughes]

The track list for v12A was already decided when the last edition of DFTMC was published, two years ago, so we listed the tracks as "Scheduled for ...". A new edition will be appearing shortly - they're still scheduled! The list for V12B is not fixed yet.

MoWest 5001 appears to have been held back, I don't think we ever got the story on that. The MoWest release schedule seems to have been somewhat erratic, with both 45s and LPs getting scheduled then either being held up or cancelled.

[carole cucumber]

They mean 12A, of course. But we're working hard on 12B, and I'm sure it will be out later in the year. There was some last-minute tweaking of the running order on 12A, Harry will no doubt post the track list soon.

Now that it's a little over a month away, is Harry able to post a track list? Or has the running order still not been finalized yet?

[johnny_raven]

Harry tweeted with a pic of the new boxset. I can't save the image from my phone and the tweet isn't on his twitter page [[for some odd reason). Anyway, I noticed that the 45 was removed before the pic was taken, so that is still a surprise. I can't wait for this release!!!

[carole cucumber]

The photo is at the UMGSelect Twitter.

[johnny_raven]

I just realized that, carole, thanks ... It certainly IS Friday, huh? Nearly completely brain dead!

Anyway, here's the pic ...

http://instagram.com/p/Y3LQiJsZXC/

[carole cucumber]

Hnnh??? Why remove the single????? Every past edition has shown the single in early publicity or Harry & Co. have announced what the single would be. Why so much mystery NOW?????
Perhaps it didn't print well initially or had a mistake on the label and has been sent back [[likely meaning another delay) .. but wouldn't Harry have mentioned that fact when posting the photo on Twitter??? That just doesn't seem to make sense.
Wait, I know that this is far-fetched.. but what if the single has been purposefully been removed for photos and no explanation given because most of us have never seen the single before ... maybe it's a real rarity- one that was only available as a test pressing but never officially released. Perhaps it's only been in the hands of a few collector's.
It just may be time to research Keith Hughes' DFTMC 9th edition TCMSVol12 listings for what was scheduled but unreleased.

[hwume]

I didn't personally post that image.

Nonetheless, the book is always printed WELL before the vinyl 45, and the production office gets art samples to look at before the big manufacturing run. I have many copies of sets that are "artwork only" in my office storage.

I have test pressings of the 45 for TCMS Vol. 12A in my office that I need to listen to and [[hopefully) approve, meaning the single to slip into the box set's front sleeve has yet to be manufactured and at this point would not be able to be seen in the photo anyway.

So hold steady, all is well. Back at the desk Monday.

P.S. And, ahem, yes, it is a rarity...

[carole cucumber]

Rarity.... Let's see.... first half of 1972.......either an extremely rare single from a first tier artist/group or something by one of the less than usual suspects..
Nothing stands out as rare by an established artist in that time frame so it should be from the following:
Eric & the Vikings
Devastating Affair
Suzee Ikeda
Blinky
Blackberries
Blue Scepter
Vincent Dimirco
XIT
Howl The Good
Chris Holland and T Bone
The Courtship
Different Shades of Brown
Posse

Some of these seem highly unlikely... So my 4 main guesses from the list would be Devastating Affair, Blinky, Blackberries, Posse.

[carole cucumber]

After looking up the titles by my four major guesses [[and the information listed by Keith Hughes & Ritchie Hardin), one stands out for a very sentimental reason and as a nod and thank you to a certain someone. Do the research and see if you come to the same conclusion that I did.
Harry,
I hope that the test pressing in your office sounds ready to manufacture. Looking forward to hearing it when the set is released.

[keith_hughes]

Nice detective work, Carole! But in case you're thinking what I think you're thinking, you should know the 45 was chosen over four years ago ...

[carole cucumber]

Let's see... A new clue... over four years ago.
Keith,
You have stated that your commitment is to present the series through 1972; if anyone wanted to continue the series further, you would gladly hand over the reins.
What other project[[s) would have been worked on with your involvement in the time frame you suggest? What artist/group might have caught your attention at that time?....
Oh, I get it.....the sentiment in that case was a passion of discovery.. a nod and thank you to those who worked on that other project and their excitement about something rare.
Thanks for verifying my suspicions...
Magnum opus.... not yet... but maybe someday.....

[144man]

I hope Volume 12b will include the unreleased Bob Babbitt single as it was recorded in 1972.

[jbpintus]

I can see Blinky as the single for 12A as it is a rarity and it would come full circle, "Money" also being the single used on volume 1

And GK&TP "Neither one of us" for 12B.
Suitable song to end the series.
And it would make the Soul label appearance.

As for the Rare Earth label, I can imagine some rights problems resulting in not having it used at all. Even a picture sleeve for that label wasn't reproduced in the series - that for "Too Fat"

Just some guesses

:-)

JB

[roger]

Rarity.... Let's see.... first half of 1972.......either an extremely rare single from a first tier artist/group or something by one of the less than usual suspects..
Nothing stands out as rare by an established artist in that time frame so it should be from the following:
Eric & the Vikings
Devastating Affair
Suzee Ikeda
Blinky
Blackberries
Blue Scepter
Vincent Dimirco
XIT
Howl The Good
Chris Holland and T Bone
The Courtship
Different Shades of Brown
Posse

Some of these seem highly unlikely... So my 4 main guesses from the list would be Devastating Affair, Blinky, Blackberries, Posse.

I'd say "You're The Man" by MARVIN GAYE is a rarity [[I've not had a copy since someone ran off with my 45 about 20 years back) and I believe that single was released in April 1972.

Roger

[johnny_raven]

This is probably a shot in the dark, but my guess would be for The Marvelettes "A Breath Taking Guy". I'm not sure how rare the single is, but they never had a 45 on any of the previous boxsets. All of the other major artists had 45s replicated for the series [[although The Marvelettes were certainly not major in 1972).

[kenneth]

This is probably a shot in the dark, but my guess would be for The Marvelettes "A Breath Taking Guy". I'm not sure how rare the single is, but they never had a 45 on any of the previous boxsets. All of the other major artists had 45s replicated for the series [[although The Marvelettes were certainly not major in 1972).

That would be fantastic, and a great tribute in many ways, being the last Marvelettes single, also marking the end of the "Detroit era" as Motown moved to LA leaving behind some of its most iconic artists, and as Johnny points out, the Marvelettes having not being given the honor on any of the previous sets. [[Yes I know there'd be irony in it acutally being a Wanda Rogers solo recording, but let's not quibble.)

Here's hoping!

[mjdestiny]

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/518/MI0003518615.jpg
:)

[kenneth]

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/518/MI0003518615.jpg
:)

Wow! Still a good choice, I must say. Still marks the transition to the West Coast, for sure. But it's still a shame the Marvelettes never got the special spot on these great sets!

[johnny_raven]

OK, so I was wrong, but still a fantastic choice ...

[carole cucumber]

http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/518/MI0003518615.jpg
:)
I'm curious... where did you find a picture of the set with the single? Harry said in post # 82:
'the single to slip into the box set's front sleeve has yet to be manufactured and at this point would not be able to be seen in the photo anyway'.

[carole cucumber]

Comparing the 2 pictures in this thread of TCMS Vol 12, the 2nd [[posted by mjdestiny) appears to be original artwork rather than finished product.
One other thing about the cover that is interesting. Only 3 of the albums pictured were released in 1972.
Yes, I understand the desire to be faithful to 45 sleeves...it just shows which albums Motown was giving a push to at the time.

[mjdestiny]

I'm curious... where did you find a picture of the set with the single? Harry said in post # 82:
'the single to slip into the box set's front sleeve has yet to be manufactured and at this point would not be able to be seen in the photo anyway'.

Here:
http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=8934610
;)

[carole cucumber]

Keith,
Assuming that you wanted TCMS [[from humble beginnings through the move to California) to go out with a bang, it is quite understandable that you and other creative staff persons decided even four years ago to mix things up with 12A's surprise single. Isn't it amazing that the ups and downs of life would give it a far greater impact than you could have ever realized at the time.
Which leads to 12B and the 144 man's suggestion of the Bob Babbitt single. A second previously unreleased single would be a real treat....but part of me suspects that the last Detroit recorded single [[the identity of which has been debated at this forum) may win out and would be a fitting finale, pointing from the beginning to the end [[of your involvement , if you're still thinking along those lines) of the series.

[berry101]

Can anyone read the Mowest label ? Found this on Deepdiscount.com....no track listing tho
http://resources03.deep.weblinc.com/resources/deepdiscount/images/products/processed/628/602527044453.zoom.1.jpg

[mr_postman]

Looks like The Blackberries to me.

[masterblaster]

Looks like The Blackberries to me.

It's The Blackberrys "Somebody Up There" an unreleased single scheduled as Mowest 5020F

[mysterysinger]

Looks great to me!

[booty]

6620

TCMSC Vol 12A

[RossHolloway]

So what's the significance of that 45 single by the Blackberries? Does anyone know?

[carole cucumber]

Keith Hughes should probably chime in here- but until he does I have my own theories.
If you've been following the thread, you will note that Harry Weinger did reveal that the single would be a rarity. I looked at the artists for the first half of '72 and narrowed it down to 4 prime suspects. As a means of thanking and acknowledging the late Deke Richards [[who dated Sherlie Matthews of the Blackberries and who helped greatly with the 'Come & Get It: Rare Pearls' J5 set and eight of the tracks on disc 3 of MR&TV "50th Anniversary The Singles Collection 1962-1972), I selected the unreleased Blackberries single as the most likely one. But Keith Hughes interjected that the single had been chosen 4 years ago. I did the math and surmised that it was approximately at that time that 'A Cellarful Of Motown: Volume 4' was being put together. The lead off track was a killer, 'Kidnapped' by the Blackberries. The booklet write-up spoke of the team's
excitement about all the Blackberries album tracks they had listened to and especially a 'magmun opus' , an almost 8 minute version of 'Love Child' .
I think the single was chosen not only as a nod to the fine team who championed the Blackberries cause, but also as an incentive for Motown singles collectors.
Imagine, here is a chance to own a single that has not been available to the public. Looking at the A-side's composers [[Sherlie Matthews and Deke Richards, using his birth-name ) it's bound to be a good one. And perhaps a singles collector, listening to even more obsure and unreleased tracks on Vol 12A might be tempted to seek out previous years of TCMSC, to hear single versions and unreleased tracks he/she may have missed.
I also think it was chosen because of its California connotation.
A) it was on the Mowest label and one of the last singles scheduled in the 12A timeframe, by which Motown was to a great degree entrenched in L.A. B) utilized vocalists not associated with Hitsville Detroit [[as it were, the West Coast equivalent of the Andantes) C) paves the way for Vol 12B.
Again these are just my thoughts. I do hope that Keith or Harry will respond to your question with greater details

[RossHolloway]

@Carole - Thanks for the thoughtful response. Now I'm really curious to hear the unreleased Blackberries album. Maybe HW will give the nod and do a digital album release for all us collectors [[hint, hint..). For 12B I wonder if the 45 will be the last released 45 actually recorded in Detroit. And correct me if I'm wrong but on the jacket/face of the 12A - the albums that are shown were not all released in '72, weren't a couple released in '71? I think it would freak everyone out if they included a couple unreleased album jackets!

And out of curiosity has anyone ever listened to their 45 included on all the TCMS? I wonder if there may be an alt mix or something...

[jobeterob]

Incredible Carole. Good work.

[carole cucumber]

For 12B I wonder if the 45 will be the last released 45 actually recorded in Detroit. And correct me if I'm wrong but on the jacket/face of the 12A - the albums that are shown were not all released in '72, weren't a couple released in '71? I think it would freak everyone out if they included a couple unreleased album jackets!
.
We obviously are thinking along the same lines. See posts # 96 & #98

[keith_hughes]

Yes it is amazing that decision was made way back then, Carole. I believe Deke knew of our plans, but it is very sad he will not see the single. Lots of reasons for the choice, but the fact is was on MoWest was certainly a factor - we hadn't had an example of that label. Plus it's a great single, though personally I love the B side more!

As for 12B, I think the decision on the 45 has already been made, but perhaps not finalised. And I am pretty sure that a final decision has been made that 12B will be the end of the series!

[Motown4Ever518]

Ms. Cucumber, outstanding take, excellent marshalling of the facts, and a stellar presentation!

[aarondillon2011@gmail.com]

Can we assume that the hold up on everything else is because they are working hard to finally get Vol. 1 & 2 of the Complete Motown singles out for release?

[144man]

Keith,

Which leads to 12B and the 144 man's suggestion of the Bob Babbitt single. A second previously unreleased single would be a real treat....but part of me suspects that the last Detroit recorded single [[the identity of which has been debated at this forum) may win out and would be a fitting finale, pointing from the beginning to the end [[of your involvement , if you're still thinking along those lines) of the series.

I was expressing a hope that the tracks on the Bob Babbitt single would be included in Volume 12b. Although it was recorded in 1972, I don't think it was scheduled to be released until 1973. However, if it is not included in TCMS, it is unlikely that we'll ever get to hear it.

Having it included as the bonus single didn't even cross my mind.

[johnny_raven]

Track list ... http://hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=DEA2258F-0011-4A41-B6BA-FCF6873449D0

[144man]

All the Rare Earth label singles scheduled for the first half of the year are there. I don't see anything missing.

[Penny]

Track list ... http://hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=DEA2258F-0011-4A41-B6BA-FCF6873449D0

Johnny_Raven, thank you very much for this information. I am excited about it.

Penny:D

[johnny_raven]

Penny:

Me too!!!

JR

[thisoldheart]

"superstition" better be the 45 included in TCMS 12B. the titles in 1972 are getting pretty weak!

[kje71]

"superstition" better be the 45 included in TCMS 12B. the titles in 1972 are getting pretty weak!
Really? Over Papa Was A Rollin Stone? Temptations haven't had a 45 the whole series :[[ Another bonus: it was recorded in Detroit

[psychedelic jacques]

i'm with kje71 on this - given that the feature 45 from the 1962 set onwards has reflected all the biggest artists [[and I think there was a case for the 59-61 set to have gone with 'please mr. postman' instead of 'money' as the first #1 single so that the Marvelettes were included), it would seem unfair for the Temptations to be omitted at the expense of another Stevie Wonder 45 or another obscure artist.

[psychedelic jacques]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Motown-Singles-Vol-12a/dp/B006XC9AUA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1368088147&sr=8-1&keywords=complete+motown+singles+12

UK release date of 11th June - currently £72.07.

[thisoldheart]

Really? Over Papa Was A Rollin Stone? Temptations haven't had a 45 the whole series :[[ Another bonus: it was recorded in Detroit
i hadn't realized the temps never got a single in the series ... but, yes, "superstition" over "papa was a rolling stone" any day. but with your info i think they will go with the temps even though stevie became their biggest star along with marvin gaye, and the temps were in decline.

[carole cucumber]

http://www.blowitoutahere.com/complete-motown-singles-vol-12a-1972-various-artists/602527044453
Now available for pre-order, plus 15% off discount code MOTHERSDAY13 good through Sunday.

[hwume]

The reason for the use of the Blackberries 45 is simple: why not show the MoWest label, and why not offer a real rarity? That was about all that went into it. But I think Carole's objective assessment shows a lot of great insight into some of the unconscious thought processes that went into the decision as well.

The Vol. 12B single will probably be "Neither One of Us [[Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye)" for the simplest reasons: First vinyl appearance in the series of Soul label = check. [UGH WRONG, SORRY, SEE VOL. 7] Song title matches the end of the series = check. Considered all of the tracks mentioned above, but circled back to Gladys each time.

[kje71]

The reason for the use of the Blackberries 45 is simple: why not show the MoWest label, and why not offer a real rarity? That was about all that went into it. But I think Carole's objective assessment shows a lot of great insight into some of the unconscious thought processes that went into the decision as well.

The Vol. 12B single will probably be "Neither One of Us [[Wants To Be The First To Say Goodbye)" for the simplest reasons: First vinyl appearance in the series of Soul label = check. Song title matches the end of the series = check. Considered all of the tracks mentioned above, but circled back to Gladys each time.
Come on Harry! Soul AND Gladys were part of 1967 with IHITTG

[hwume]

RIGHT SORRY.

Title still works for me.

Any other votes/suggestions?

[jbpintus]

Although I think GK&TP seems the obvious choice for that series, why no Rare Earth rarity? Rare Earth wasn't used at all. That's a shame. And PUZZLE "it's not the last time" which wasn't issued would be :
-a Rare Earth appearance
-a rarity
-a track recorded in Detroit Golden World studios
-PUZZLE to be the last piece of that giant series
-the title that would be as prophetic or enigmatic that "neither one of us" would be.

And how about including as a bonus cd all the missing tracks on other boxsets like J5's "Mamas pearl"?

What about that?

JB

[RossHolloway]

If its the last volume in the series, the single should be the last 45 release recorded in DETROIT. And if you're taking further request - continue the series beyone 1972. There are many great Motown recording after that year that have never made it onto cd or had a digital release that fan and collectors may never hear. To stop now would be like writing a book on the History of the United States but stopping after World War II.

[skooldem1]

I never understood the reason why a comprehensive historic project like this would end at 1972. The label didn't end and stop production in 1972. It seems a little bias to me.

[jboy88]

I'm with those who say the single for 12b should be "Papa Was a Rolling Stone". One, because it was a huge hit scoring 3 Grammy awards, and two, because The Tempts are the only company bread winners who haven't been represented yet and the Gordy label has only been seen once. It just wouldn't be right for them to be passed over twice for an artist whose been used already. Especially if this is going to be the last installment.

[jboy88]

I never understood the reason why a comprehensive historic project like this would end at 1972. The label didn't end and stop production in 1972. It seems a little bias to me.
I think it's because by this point, albums were taking more priority over singles. While the series continuing further looks good on paper, I don't think some people would be interested in what came out after 1972. Though I would like to see some '73 singles reissued though.

[skooldem1]

Can someone list the featured 45's for each edition?

[hwume]

I never understood the reason why a comprehensive historic project like this would end at 1972. The label didn't end and stop production in 1972. It seems a little bias to me.

The idea was to capture the "Detroit era."

[jbpintus]

The idea was to capture the "Detroit era."

Honestly the idea was great. And the results even more fantastic than anything we would have dreamt of.

Now when the "Motown singles collection 1959-71" was released it captured the Detrout era as well. It didn't prevent the "1972-92" to be released afterwards. And they both are essential releases.

Maybe licensing problems may be bigger from 1972 onwards, anyway I would continue to buy other boxsets from that series. There are still many Motown classics in 1973, 1975...

[1382hitsville]

My vote goes to the last recorded single in Detroit.

[jbpintus]

When was the last single recorded in Detroit? 1973? 1974? 1975?
Ok I'm being naughty...
:-)

[144man]

I didn't know that Gladys Knight & the Pips' "Can You Give Me Love With A Guarantee" was a scheduled single. Its inclusion is a pleasant surprise.

[nathanj06]

The idea was to capture the "Detroit era."

Exactly. I thought that was the idea through the entire process. For me, the Motown Sound ended in 1971 and then it was quite obvious something was changing. I didn't have any idea what was going on at the time. The hits were becoming less and the focus became Diana, Stevie, Marvin and Smokey. There are songs on this new set I've never heard of but it marks the end of the Detroit era where it should. Anything that made any noise after 1972 is pretty much available and I'm sure there will be more comps. on those in some form. People should be grateful they're getting these singles collections along with everything else we've gotten so far.

[carole cucumber]

http://theseconddisc.com/2013/05/10/where-were-you-when-we-needed-you-latest-volume-of-the-complete-motown-singles-arrives-in-june/#more-20764

[carole cucumber]

http://instagram.com/p/ZG7nHSsZU7/

[carole cucumber]

Just noticed the new lower price at Hip-O-Select $75.98. Is that pre-sale only?

[skooldem1]

Hopefully one day in the future, some company will release all singles from the Motown label, up to when it was sold by Berry. There was some great music in the 1970's and 80's for this label. Don't misunderstand me, I think the current project is terrific, but it doesn't offer a true historic compilation of Motown singles.

[MrTopCat]

This is AMAZING news but there's something I don't understand. What does the Album Favorites subtitle mean?

Thanks in advance!

[johnny_raven]

The box set cover is a replica of a 45 sleeve from 1972, which shows pics of album covers that Motown was pushing at the time ... that's all.

[MrTopCat]

The box set cover is a replica of a 45 sleeve from 1972, which shows pics of album covers that Motown was pushing at the time ... that's all.

Thanks a lot!

[Jyqm]

Hi all,

This will be my first-ever post here, though I've been reading the boards for a few years now [[many thanks to all of you who post such great information and interesting stories about the music and the folks behind it -- I've learned a lot reading all of your thoughts!). I'll likely continue to mostly lurk but had drop by and offer up a giant THANK YOU to the folks who have helped make this release possible.

This series has meant the world to me, as my on-a-whim purchase of the 1963 set several years back helped transform my casual appreciation of Motown and soul music into a full-blown obsession. [[I'm 30 years old, grew up hearing the hits on oldies radio but never really delved into the music seriously until about seven years ago.) I've got all the boxes now and have been oh-so-patiently waiting for the day when all the licensing issues would be resolved and the 1972 sets would finally see the light of day. I've just placed my order and will be counting down the days until it arrives.

My two cents on some of the questions raised here:

-- I wholeheartedly agree with jboy88 [[post #129) that The Temptations' "Papa Was A Rolling Stone" should be the final bonus 45, for all the reasons he stated. It would be a bit of a shame to round out this series without the group ever having been represented up front.

-- I'll also chime in with support for extending the series beyond 1972, though I understand why those involved might want to take a well-deserved rest from what must surely have been a very demanding project. The close of the "Detroit era" is of course a natural endpoint, and it's true that the overall quality of the music would dip moving forward and that most of the good stuff from the 70s is available already in some form or another. Still, I know I'd buy future sets up through at least 1975. And even if the music itself is available elsewhere, to me the best part of these box sets has been the incredibly interesting and informative essays for each single, and you can't get those anywhere else! Perhaps it's a bit greedy and uncouth to be clamoring for even more box sets before these final two have even been released, but it's just a testament to how wonderful this series has been that some of us can't help but want it to go on and on. [[Or hey, maybe you guys could head down to Memphis and give the Stax catalogue the same treatment. ;))

Anyway, THANK YOU again to all those who made this series happen. You've created something both beautiful and important that I think has set a new standard for what historically-minded box sets should be. I'll be forever grateful for it.

[1382hitsville]

Jyqm,

Welcome to the forum!

Skooldem asked for a list of the included 45's, well here goes:

Volume 1: Barrett Strong: Money b/w Oh I Aplogize [[Tamla)
Volume 2: Mary Wells: You Beat Me To The Punch b/w Old Love [[Motown)
Volume 3: Martha & Vandellas: Heatwave b/w A Love Like Yours [[Gordy)
Volume 4: The Supremes: Where Did Our Love Go b/w He Means The World To Me [[Motown)
Volume 5: Stevie Wonder: Uptight b/w Purple Rain Drops [[Tamla)
Volume 6: Four Tops: Reach Out I'll Be There b/w Until You Love Someone [[Motown)
Volume 7: Gladys Knight & The Pips: I Heard It Through The Grapevine b/w It's Time To Go Now [[Soul)
Volume 8: Marvin Gaye: I Heard It Through The Grapevine b/w You're What's Happening [[Tamla)
Volume 9: The Jackson 5: I Want You Back b/w Who's Loving You [[Motown)
Volume 10: Smokey Robinson & The Miracles: The Tears Of A Clown b/w Promise Me [[Tamla)
Volume 11a: Marvin Gaye: What's Going On b/w God Is Love [[Tamla)
Volume 11b: Michael Jackson: Got To Be There b/w Maria [[Motown)

[skooldem1]

Thanks...I appreciate it.

[carole cucumber]

A question for Harry or Keith,

Who picked the albums that are on the 45 picture sleeve that never was? Quite clever and authentic looking. Something struck me as odd- but I couldn't place my finger on it at first. The featured albums are full color.
But the official picture sleeves [[advertising albums) always utilized a black & white shot of the album covers that were then either printed that way or tinted brown, red, green, blue.
The 1971 A & B sets featured the last authentic picture-sleeve of that type.
I'll be curious to see which albums from 1971/1972 you've decided to feature on the reverse side. And which you shall choose for Volume 12-B.

[Kamasu_Jr]

Just noticed the new lower price at Hip-O-Select $75.98. Is that pre-sale only?Great question and one I would like to know the answer to as well. I have seen higher prices mentioned on other sites.

[johnjeb]

A question for Harry or Keith,

Who picked the albums that are on the 45 picture sleeve that never was? Quite clever and authentic looking. Something struck me as odd- but I couldn't place my finger on it at first. The featured albums are full color.
But the official picture sleeves [[advertising albums) always utilized a black & white shot of the album covers that were then either printed them that way or tinted brown, red, green, blue.
The 1971 A & B sets featured the last authentic picture-sleeve of that type.
I'll be curious to see which albums from 1971/1972 you've decided to feature on the reverse side. And which you shall choose for Volume 12-B.

I don't ever recall seeing a full-color 45 sleeve with albums, either. I checked my collection the other day and I don't have one. Can't imagine I would have gotten rid of one if I did have it.

Even the 1966 TCMS set has color 45 sleeves pictured. I don't recall ever seeing that one either.

[kenneth]

I don't ever recall seeing a full-color 45 sleeve with albums, either. I checked my collection the other day and I don't have one. Can't imagine I would have gotten rid of one if I did have it.

Even the 1966 TCMS set has color 45 sleeves pictured. I don't recall ever seeing that one either.

There were some. I have a few in my collection.

[carole cucumber]

Title still works for me.

Any other votes/suggestions?

Harry,

Please bear with me.

One of the features of the TCMSC [[Vol 1-11B) has been the inclusion of a reproduction/repressing of an important/key single A & B side in the front sleeve of a multi-cd set.
The pattern is being slightly modified in Volume 12A with the inclusion of a single A & B side scheduled but never officially pressed for public sale.

We also know that in addition to original single releases, Motown created a series of re-issue 45's in the 1970's & 80's termed the Yesteryear Series. Here key songs were highlighted, usually 2 A-sides from 2 different singles by the same group/artist coupled together.

Since you've in a sense altered the established pattern with Volume 12A by pressing a rarity, why not create a second rarity-a previously unreleased hybrid single with 2 A sides from 2 different groups who recorded on different labels: Gladys Knight & the Pips 'Neither One Of Us [[Wants To Be The First To say Goodbye )' and the Temptations "Papa Was A Rolling Stone'. Purchasers would have the option of keeping the GK&TP side you suggest or of turning the single over to the Temps' side if they prefer.
It might be a good compromise. And, as the Yesteryear Series began in November 1972, perhaps this hybrid single might be pressed on the Yesteryear Label rather than becoming a Soul/Gordy or Gordy/Soul single.
Just some thoughts for consideration.

[carole cucumber]

I don't ever recall seeing a full-color 45 sleeve with albums, either. I checked my collection the other day and I don't have one. Can't imagine I would have gotten rid of one if I did have it.

Even the 1966 TCMS set has color 45 sleeves pictured. I don't recall ever seeing that one either.

As regards the 1966 set, again it is a new creation. Note that they are all officially released picture sleeves and that all 7 are featured on the front cover outside and in and on the back cover as well as being included within the booklet alongside the write-up for those singles.

[carole cucumber]

There were some. I have a few in my collection.

Would you be so kind as to post a few. My curiosity is piqued.

[carole cucumber]

http://45-sleeves.com/USA/motown/moto-us.htm

[kenneth]

http://45-sleeves.com/USA/motown/moto-us.htm

Okay, now that you posted the link to the sleeves' evolution, I'm wondering if it was "just my imagination running away with me." I could swear I recognized the 1966 box 45 sleeve - with the 45 sleeves on it in color - but now, well I'm just not sure anymore!

My 45s aren't as well organized as my LPs, but I will go through the boxes and see what I might come up with. Will let you know.

[carole cucumber]

Kenneth,
Perhaps you're thinking of this one issued in the U.K.

http://45-sleeves.com/UK/tamlamotown/03a.jpg

[carole cucumber]

And its reverse side

http://45-sleeves.com/UK/tamlamotown/03b.jpg

[nathanj06]

Another strange thing about that 45 sleeve is that those albums featured are from 1971. Sometime in 1972 all the 45s started to be released in plain white sleeves which I knew something wasn't quite right anymore.

[kenneth]

@Carole Cucumber,

No, I know I've never seen that UK sleeve before. I would have remembered the different cover art on some of the well known LPs. [[I'm absolutely certain I don't have that one.)

I'll have to check my collection. The one in Vol. 6 didn't look strange to me when I first saw it on the box art, and I was sure I had one in my collection. It will take me a little while, but I will check to find out if it's just the power of suggestion [[or wishful thinking) or if I actually have one!

[mysterysinger]

Motown US 45 sleeves....
http://45-sleeves.com/USA/motown/moto-us.htm

[MIKEW-UK]

This sleeve might be of interest to some. I remember well my sense of indignation that someone in the marketing department of Tamla Motown /EMI could be so ignorant of their target audience that they could feature on the sleeves that came with Motown records The Singing Postman, The Seekers and Nina and Frederik, alongside Motown albums ......Abysmal!!!!!! They clearly had no idea.........
66466647

[MIKEW-UK]

It was also disappointing that EPs and albums could be issued without pictures of the artists. Many of us found the artists to be glamorous and exciting visually........66486649

[jack020]

Amazon UK is offering the set for 50 UK pounds right now.