Will President Obama be re-elected?

[jobeterob]

I know this is a mainly Democratic audience..........but......

Is he gonna make it?

It looks increasingly tight.

[soulster]

God I hope so! If Romney Hood and Lyin' Ryan get in, this country will be in a world of shit, and that ain't no lie! Today's republiKKKans and anti-Black, anti-immigrant, anti-diversity, anti-woman, anti-jobs, anti-gay, anti-middle-class, anti-poor, anti-anything except evangelical christian, anti-truth, anti-youth...I could go on.

I could really believe Romney is the antchrist! This time, it fits.

[Jerry Oz]

I'm bummed by the fact that somehow this race is tight when the only true constituency for Romney is the top 5% money controllers. The total lack of logic that the president's detractors have used to relative success is perplexing, to say the least. I believe the president will be re-elected, but it's close enough that all of the dirty dealing is a concern. There have been reports of destroyed voter registration cards, official boards of election giving false election dates to citizens in Democratic areas, and Republican state representatives going to the ends of the Earth to disenfranchise Democratic voters. They're trying way too hard to win and I don't think settle for anything other than their guy winning, even if he doesn't.

[ralpht]

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

[soulster]

I'm bummed by the fact that somehow this race is tight when the only true constituency for Romney is the top 5% money controllers. The total lack of logic that the president's detractors have used to relative success is perplexing, to say the least. I believe the president will be re-elected, but it's close enough that all of the dirty dealing is a concern. There have been reports of destroyed voter registration cards, official boards of election giving false election dates to citizens in Democratic areas, and Republican state representatives going to the ends of the Earth to disenfranchise Democratic voters. They're trying way too hard to win and I don't think settle for anything other than their guy winning, even if he doesn't.

You have a lot of "low information" voters out there who don't keep up with what's going on in the election, or much of anything at all. They see a few things, listen to a few people, and make snap decisions based on that.

I will say that I will never...NEVER vote for any republiKKKan again! First, they don't want my vote, and have done nothing to convince me to vote for them. They have managed to insult me, and everyone else. They are liars, cheaters, greedy with no ethics or morals, and bigots, and those are not the kind of people I want in any office. I'm not saying that there are Democrats like that, but the gop is the absolute worst.

I socially align myself with Libertarians, but will have nothing to do with their views on economics, which is pretty much aligned with the republicans. They are the ultimate free-market nuts who would reduce everyone to pretty much slaves.

[soulster]

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

I pray you're right, because it's pretty split right now. I just hope the voter suppression doesn't work. Tonight on MSNBC, I saw that some young guy has been arrested for throwing away registration forms. Guess which party he is an operative for?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/virgina-voter-registration_n_1983384.html

[robb_k]

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Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA. But The Democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The Republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, I'd rather have The Democrats in than The Republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.

[soulster]

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[QUOTE]Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA.

These days, the Democrats do indeed represent the interests of the majority of U.S.. It's popular these days to slag off both parties and declare independence, but even independents lean one way or the other. That's just what you get with a dominant two-party system.



Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

There are several parties, some of whom are in congress today. The majority of the others are Libertarians. But, they still don't represent the majority of people.

All of the parties have something attractive about their current platform. It's all that other crap that is offensive to someone. With the republican platform as it is today, I am not anywhere near them. The Libertarians are pretty bad too in many ways. Everyone is just too extreme. It seems the further you pin to one side or the other, the more you are respected, the more votes you get, and if you try to come down the middle and meet the other side half-way, you are considered weak, a traitor. Oh, everyone says they want cooperation in Washington, but they just meat that they want the other side to see things their way.

You also have the Green Party, and the Socialist Party, among others, but they get no real traction.


I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.

If Willard Mitt Romney Thurston Howell the IV gets in, that may happen sooner than you think. You better start building your fence on your border with us!

[Jerry Oz]

I pray you're right, because it's pretty split right now. I just hope the voter suppression doesn't work. Tonight on MSNBC, I saw that some young guy has been arrested for throwing away registration forms. Guess which party he is an operative for?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/virgina-voter-registration_n_1983384.html

In Arizona, the Maricopa County Board of Elections mailed voting fact sheets to registered voters. It listed November 6 as the voting date in English on one side and November 8 as the date in Spanish on the other.

I'm sure it was just a coincidence, though. [[Sarcasm off)

[Jerry Oz]

5511
Neither party represents the main bulk of the population in USA. But The Democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The Republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, I'd rather have The Democrats in than The Republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who MIGHT represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in USA within 20-30 years. I hope I'm not around to see that happen, even if I'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that The Americans will take over Canada and ruin it. I hope that IF all of that will happen, it will occur after I'm long gone from this Earth.
Without a third party, 90% of the people will continue to be held hostage by fringe elements of the right and left. I am typically conservative fiscally, but progressive socially and I don't have anyone who will move to the center to represent my interests. If I'm Republican, I have to be for their far-right platform and if I'm Democrat, I have to buy in 100% to what they stump for. I'm closer to the Democrats than the Republicans, but I have no voice regardless of who I vote for.

With that said, it will be a dark day if Romney is elected.

[timmyfunk]

I'm still contending that it will be a land slide for the President.

That's a pretty bold statement, Ralph. Let's hope you are correct.

[arrr&bee]

5511
neither party represents the main bulk of the population in usa. But the democrats at least throw a few bones to the people, now and then. The republicans are downright cruel to all but the richest 7-8% of the population. So, i'd rather have the democrats in than the republicans. Too bad there is no chance for other parties, who might represent the people, to win any election higher than a county or state district level.

I continue to imagine a bloody revolution in usa within 20-30 years. I hope i'm not around to see that happen, even if i'm thousands of miles away. But my worst fear is that the americans will take over canada and ruin it. I hope that if all of that will happen, it will occur after i'm long gone from this earth.haaaaaaaaaaa,hey robb,didn't america try that back in[1812]and didn't ya'll kick the crap out of em??no my friend america ain't stupid they will need all the help they can get from canada when the mexican drug cartels storm the borders and head north!!

[marv2]

I sincerely hope so. Things are not great right now, but we cannot afford to take huge steps backwards as I feel we as a nation would if Romney/Ryan are elected. I do believe that Pres. Obama has the most interest in improving things for the majority of America.

[robb_k]

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Haaaaaaaaaaa,hey Robb,didn't America try that back in[1812]and didn't ya'll kick the crap out of em??No my friend America ain't stupid they will need all the help they can get from Canada when the Mexican drug cartels storm the borders and head north!! The Mexican cartels will not be the problem. It will be millions of starving Latin Americans, and possibly other millions of Asians and Africans.

The British in Canada were able to hold off The Americans in 1812, as the US had only perhaps twice the population of Canada back then[[perhaps only 1-2 million more), and The US armed forces were, perhaps roughly the same size as the British military forces in North America. Now, USA has 300 million people to Canada's 32 million [[TEN TIMES the size). The US armed forces is probably at least 5-7 times as large, and their industrial capability [[which won them World War II) has got to be MANY times as large as Canada's. If USA wants to conquer Canada,they could do it easily, unless Canada gets most of the rest of The World as allies. EVEN with that, those allies, being far removed, would be powerless to help in the first wave invasion [[as Britain and France could not help Poland against Germany in WWII).

[soulster]

That's a pretty bold statement, Ralph. Let's hope you are correct.

I know other people who have said this. But I think they give people too much credit for being intelligent and properly informed.

I hope they are right.

[soulster]

I sincerely hope so. Things are not great right now, but we cannot afford to take huge steps backwards as I feel we as a nation would if Romney/Ryan are elected. I do believe that Pres. Obama has the most interest in improving things for the majority of America.

The one thing I really wish the democrats and Obama would stress is that we need a filibuster-proof House and Senate majority. It's not enough to get Obama re-elected, but to have a congress that will work with him and won't obstruct. We need to get rid of these red-dog democrats and tea-bagger republiKKKans. If we can do all three, then this country will fully recover.

The problem with Democrats is that they get too positive and complacent when things look like they could go their way. they really don't like to think that the voters can really be that stupid, but we have seen time and time again that they can be and often are. The Democrats should be leaving NOTHING to chance. Fight with all their might, and beware of the republiKKKan lies, divisiveness, and intimidation tactics. They always work. We can't let it work. Like that little "mistake" on the Spanish side of the Maricopa County ballots, where they state that election day is the 8th instead of the 6th. Little things like that hurt. All those billboards in Black and poor communities in Ohio? There should be forces out battling this, person by person.

[marv2]

The one thing I really wish the democrats and Obama would stress is that we need a filibuster-proof House and Senate majority. It's not enough to get Obama re-elected, but to have a congress that will work with him and won't obstruct. We need to get rid of these red-dog democrats and tea-bagger republiKKKans. If we can do all three, then this country will fully recover.

The problem with Democrats is that they get too positive and complacent when things look like they could go their way. they really don't like to think that the voters can really be that stupid, but we have seen time and time again that they can be and often are. The Democrats should be leaving NOTHING to chance. Fight with all their might, and beware of the republiKKKan lies, divisiveness, and intimidation tactics. They always work. We can't let it work. Like that little "mistake" on the Spanish side of the Maricopa County ballots, where they state that election day is the 8th instead of the 6th. Little things like that hurt. All those billboards in Black and poor communities in Ohio? There should be forces out battling this, person by person.

I agree wholeheartedly. Even with an abundance of sources for news and information, there are many in the U.S. that are uninformed about the proposed policies of the two candidates and their respective parties. It frustrates me to no end.....

[jobeterob]

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

For Canadians, it is astonishing.

[marv2]

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

For Canadians, it is astonishing.

You can forget that shit! I am in Ohio visiting right now and Obama will win here in Ohio.

[jobeterob]

You can forget that shit! I am in Ohio visiting right now and Obama will win here in Ohio.

Well if he can hold Ohio and win Florida, he'll make it.

[soulster]

We it seems there is no hope of a democratic congress and there likely will be a democratic senate. And who knows who will be President. So there will probably be continued Gridlock. It seems a terrible system to me.

What makes you think that? The Senate is already Democratic controlled, and I don't see that changing, the way these tea-bagger senators are fighting for their jobs right now. It's the house that we really have to worry about. That needs to go back to the Democrats, as the tea-baggers have hurt that too.


RealClearPolitics shows Obama ahead by 1/10th of one percent in their poll of polls and he has gone from a healthy lead in the Electoral College to being barely ahead at all. If another healthy sized state slips, like Ohio, he'll be losing.

Well, you know, it ain't over 'till it's over! The election is two weeks away, and a lot of things can happen in that time. It's probably down to Florida and Ohio, as for now, 'ol money-bags's campaign has pulled out of North Carolina. Also, early voting has shown to be heavily in favor of Obama.

Obama effed up when he did badly in that first debate. There's another one tomorrow night, and he has one last chance to reel in the undecideds.

And, stay away from Fox news! They lie!

[funky_fresh]

These days, the Democrats do indeed represent the interests of the majority of U.S.. It's popular these days to slag off both parties and declare independence, but even independents lean one way or the other. That's just what you get with a dominant two-party system.
/QUOTE]

Not even close to being true.

Republican: 36.8%
Democrat: 34.2%
Other [[Independent, Libertarian, Green, etc): 29.0%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/mood_of_america_archive/partisan_trends/summary_of_party_affiliation


[QUOTE=soulster;127895]
There are several parties, some of whom are in congress today. The majority of the others are Libertarians. But, they still don't represent the majority of people.
/QUOTE]

Honestly, do you just make this stuff up? See the link below for the make up of the house and senate.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html

[QUOTE=soulster;127895]
All of the parties have something attractive about their current platform. It's all that other crap that is offensive to someone. With the republican platform as it is today, I am not anywhere near them. The Libertarians are pretty bad too in many ways. Everyone is just too extreme. It seems the further you pin to one side or the other, the more you are respected, the more votes you get, and if you try to come down the middle and meet the other side half-way, you are considered weak, a traitor. Oh, everyone says they want cooperation in Washington, but they just meat that they want the other side to see things their way.

You also have the Green Party, and the Socialist Party, among others, but they get no real traction.



If Willard Mitt Romney Thurston Howell the IV gets in, that may happen sooner than you think. You better start building your fence on your border with us!

The two party system is a sham as it is really one party controlled by corporate money and foreign interests. There will NEVER be change in this country unless we abolish the two party system and elect government officials on their personal resume and beliefs rather than by party platform. The "D" and "R" should be removed from all ballots to force people to actually learn about who they are voting for.

Neither Obama nor Romney intend on putting this country on a path to true change and progress. We will have nothing more than empty promises and partisan rhetoric.

I am afraid that by the time most Americans wake up from the Dem vs. Rep bad dream things may be too late.

[Jerry Oz]

It's too late, F_F.

[soulster]

Funky,

The only people who are looking at party labels are the republicans and their tea-bagger offshoot. None of them vote for anyone on the middle or left of the middle. It's all about ideology to them. I am not fooled.

When I do look at what a candidate represents , and I don't see what party they are affiliated with, as in state/local elections, I can tell what their party affiliation is anyway, and I am am always right when i dig for the info. If I look at a candidate's record and find that they go against the people, or have big business' interests, or harp on about "small government", They are republican, libertarian, and likely a tea-bagger. I am always proved correct.

The fact that republicans/tea-baggers have repeatedly played the racial card, played on racial fears and stereotypes, gone against women's rights, and attempted to deny the rights of ALL people, regardless of sexual orientation, usually in the name of their religion, has caused me to never, ever vote for them ever again!

[splanky]

It's too late, F_F.

I'd have to agree, Jerry...

Let me get back to you guys, I'm at work right now...

[soulster]

I'll take the Democrats over the extremist republiKKKan party any day. And, yes, their policies, and it's candidates, are extremists in the worst way. All it will take is for them to actually be elected for their ignorant, hate-filled, and wealthy supporters to realize it. I just hope it doesn't come to that. And, the only ones who would benefit are the wealthy. If that happens, this country will have a civil war on it's hands.

[Jerry Oz]

I'll take the Democrats over the extremist republiKKKan party any day. And, yes, their policies, and it's candidates, are extremists in the worst way. All it will take is for them to actually be elected for their ignorant, hate-filled, and wealthy supporters to realize it. I just hope it doesn't come to that. And, the only ones who would benefit are the wealthy. If that happens, this country will have a civil war on it's hands.
I don't think it'll come to civil war in the U.S. for another 10 or 15 years, but I honestly believe we're headed for conflict at some point. If the GOP takes over, it'll be because a bunch of the poor folks who the president has proposed to help flipped him off and told that boy they don't need his help. I state it that way because that seems to be the attitude. I believe him to be one of the most remarkable Americans in history but I get the impression [[from talking to some of his detractors) that there's nothing that he can do to get their vote or their support. If he walked on water to save a drowning baby, the headline would read "Obama can't swim". It's sad, but they'll get what they want if he loses. Best for them to get nothing from Romney than have to say "thanks" to Obama.

[jobeterob]

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.

If he wins, tonights debate will have helped him.

[soulster]

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.


What alternate universe do you two live in?

[Jerry Oz]

What alternate universe do you two live in?
Don't lump me in with that. The people I was referring to was not Latinos or African-Americans, but generally middle class Americans, and caucasions in specific. In fact, Obama is still strong with these blocs and females. Curiously, it is the poor, working class white males that seem to think that he's a poor choice and this happens to represent the most significant voting bloc.

[jobeterob]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2012/10/22/1960s-teen-idol-lesley-gore-leads-charge-in-you-dont-own-me-video/

[tommy good]

At least 90% of white males vote republican, what are they worried about?. Well here's one white man who voted for Obama in 2008 and just voted for Obama again. I've never felt better about my vote than right now. Obama, his wife and children have brought class back to the White house, and yes, I do believe I'm better off than I was 4 years ago. I cannot vote for a party who got us in to this terrible situation, and now wants another crack at the presdency. Romneys faults are to numerous to mention. He's just the wrong person to be running our country. Everyone please vote.

Tommy Good

[marv2]

Agree with Jerry. The black vote, the Latino vote and the female vote has all moved away from Obama somewhat; their commitment has wavered for some reason.

If he wins, tonights debate will have helped him.

That is not true at all.

[Roberta75]

As well as posting your opinions on this here forum I hope everyone is working real hard for the Obama re-election campaign. They need folks to work the phone banks calling swings states to tell peoples that the President needs their vote.

It's real easy. click on this link and type in your zip code and you'll see where you can volunteer. Again I stress preaching here is preaching to the converted, so please help to reelect President Obama by working at your local phone bank.

http://www.barackobama.com/gotv#!/gbxbvq

The Supreme court is at stake and we need to work real hard to keep President Obama in office.

Thank you in advance.

Roberta

[soulster]

Curiously, it is the poor, working class white males that seem to think that he's a poor choice and this happens to represent the most significant voting bloc.

You got any evidence of that?

[soulster]

At least 90% of white males vote republican, what are they worried about?. Well here's one white man who voted for Obama in 2008 and just voted for Obama again. I've never felt better about my vote than right now. Obama, his wife and children have brought class back to the White house, and yes, I do believe I'm better off than I was 4 years ago. I cannot vote for a party who got us in to this terrible situation, and now wants another crack at the presdency. Romneys faults are to numerous to mention. He's just the wrong person to be running our country. Everyone please vote.

Tommy Good

You mean you don't wanna put the "white" back in the white house?:D

The reality is that women are driving this election. Young white women are the voters Obama needs to win.

Obama had the electoral votes to win right now. There, he is far ahead of Romney-hood. Even if Romney-hood wins the popular vote, he may not have the numbers to win. This is why the republiKKKan voter-suppression and intimidation is so important to the GOP. They know it is the last chance they really have of their guy winning if it comes down to that.

[soulster]

That is not true at all.

Jobetrob is probably watching Fox news. Heh!

[marv2]

Jobetrob is probably watching Fox news. Heh!

He must be watching something that I am not! LOL!!!!

[marv2]

Does anyone know which States if any upheld their new voter suppression laws?

[soulster]

Does anyone know which States if any upheld their new voter suppression laws?

Florida and Colorado republiKKKans are still trying. The courts have either stuck all of the other ones down, or put a hold on them for this election. Just a day or two ago, Mississippi backed down on their lying about theirs.

[soulster]

He must be watching something that I am not! LOL!!!!

I don't know where he's getting his information from, but it's not even close to being accurate.

[Jerry Oz]

You got any evidence of that?
Just a link:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/poll-obama-struggling-among-struggling-white-voters-124550.html

[soulster]

Just a link:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/05/poll-obama-struggling-among-struggling-white-voters-124550.html

First of all, did you happen to notice the DATE of that Politico article? And, since last MAY, Obama has picked up support by White WOMEN.

Jobeterob says he is losing support with Blacks and Latinos. Also very wrong.

[smark21]

The challenge for the Obama campaign will be ensuring high turnout of the Black and Latino vote. I don’t think there’s much worry that a significant percentage of each group will vote for Romney, but there is concern they may not turn out at the same rate as 2008, thanks to voter suppression attempts and admittedly Obama no longer being the same charismatic force and symbol of hope and change that he was in 2008.

[soulster]

Obama according to a latest poll, [[sorry, I didn't catch the name of the organization) is five points ahead above Romney-Hood across the nation.

As long as the Romney-Hood/Lyin' Ryan surrogates keep saying offensive things about women and rape, and playing on White racial hatred, Obama will look better and better.

[soulster]

The challenge for the Obama campaign will be ensuring high turnout of the Black and Latino vote. I don’t think there’s much worry that a significant percentage of each group will vote for Romney, but there is concern they may not turn out at the same rate as 2008, thanks to voter suppression attempts and admittedly Obama no longer being the same charismatic force and symbol of hope and change that he was in 2008.

That is very questionable. Ever since the Biden/Ryan debate, and the last two presidential debates, Obama got his mojo back, and it's having an effect of raving up the base. The supporters know we can change, and the change is starting to happen. According to a news report this morning, even the Mexican illegals are starting to sneak back! The supporters know that it has been the republiKKKans historical number of filibusters that has been holding back much of the progress. The union-busting attempts has had a huge effect in states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Ohio.

[Jerry Oz]

If the election was held today, I'm convinced that Obama would win the electoral college. [[Anybody besides me notice the evening news only shows the popular polls, not the electoral college polls? Wonder why?!) :confused:

With GOP-led boards of election sending out campaign literature with the wrong date and polling information, billboards threatening imprisonment for "voter fraud", tons of lies broadcast non-stop on local and national television, and party-sponsored surrogates going to mostly Democratic voting sites to challenge voters, who knows what will happen in two weeks.

[jobeterob]

RealClearPolitics shows Obama would win today with 284 electoral college votes.

CNN says if the bleed continues at the same rate, Romney will win on election day.

If the world voted, it would be Obama by a landslide.

Astounding.

Obama needs to have the black, Latino, female vote come out like it did in 2008 and it seems there is some lack of enthusiasm there. There also may be some regret there in a couple weeks if they don't get the spirit again.

I hope the last debate turns the tide a little bit but am not holding my breath for it to happen.

[Jerry Oz]

Romney went out of his way to play a game of "hey, I can follow his lead on foreign policy". He hopes that the lack of contrast between his views [[modified greatly during the debate) and the president's nullifies the one area that the president clearly holds the upper hand. If people were worried that Paul "War Hawk" Ryan's debate meant that we were going to have another war in the next four years, Willard tried to put those fears to rest.

Don't believe for a minute that the main reason he'd increase military spending is anything other than so he can have a war to help him get re-elected. That way, it won't increase the deficit because the snake has already built it into the budget.

[soulster]

If the election was held today, I'm convinced that Obama would win the electoral college. [[Anybody besides me notice the evening news only shows the popular polls, not the electoral college polls? Wonder why?!) :confused:

Both CNN and MSNBC do show the electoral collage numbers on a regular basis.


With GOP-led boards of election sending out campaign literature with the wrong date and polling information, billboards threatening imprisonment for "voter fraud", tons of lies broadcast non-stop on local and national television, and party-sponsored surrogates going to mostly Democratic voting sites to challenge voters, who knows what will happen in two weeks.

Somehow, though, I do not think too many people will be fooled by announcing the wrong voting day this time.

[soulster]

CNN says if the bleed continues at the same rate, Romney will win on election day.

But, when you talk about these statements, you have to know who is saying these things. Is it a republican/Romney operative, a conservative, or is it some official announcement. I say that because that announcement sounds very wrong.


Obama needs to have the black, Latino, female vote come out like it did in 2008 and it seems there is some lack of enthusiasm there. There also may be some regret there in a couple weeks if they don't get the spirit again.

Again, where are you getting this mess from? There is string evidence that he does indeed have that support, and from women who are worried about the republicans trying to dismantle Roe-vs. Wade.





I hope the last debate turns the tide a little bit but am not holding my breath for it to happen.

The final debate happened last Monday. What the hell are you talking about???

[jobeterob]

John King was the guy quoting the slippage in the electoral college numbers.

Sadly, while President Obama is still leading [[of course) in the votes from blacks, latinos and women...............those numbers have slipped significantly from the last election.

[soulster]

ohn King was the guy quoting the slippage in the electoral college numbers.

What or who was he quoting? Obama still is way ahead in the electoral college.


Sadly, while President Obama is still leading [[of course) in the votes from blacks, latinos and women...............those numbers have slipped significantly from the last election.

Significantly??? May I ask if you are a Romney supporter?

[jobeterob]

God no, re Romney. I cringe every day at the prospect even though I am a Canadian.

But said, Obama is not ahead hardly at all.

Take a look here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

He is ahead 10 in the Electoral College; and yesterday, before they moved NC back to a tossup, he was behind 5.

With no tossup states, he is ahead 24. And things better stay as they are in Ohio.

This all being said, I think that today's polls showed a little bit of recovery due to the Monday debate performance.

John King was making his own observation I believe.

If John King and Real Clear Politics were Fox News, I wouldn't be nervous.

[soulster]

[QUOTE]Take a look here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

OK, since I don't think you dig real hard, I will lay it out for you. I went to the "About Us" part of the site. This is what the last paragraph says:


RealClearPolitics is the essential site for those at the intersection of politics and business. RealClearPolitics influential and important audience, which has come to trust and depend on the site's agenda-setting, extensive and balanced coverage, is what sets RealClearPolitics apart from its competitors.

Now, first, most business have an agenda in this country, and that is to get a republican back into office. Two, What agenda could they be talking about? Hmmmm.

Now, I took a look around the site ang found very right-wing, conservative commentary and reporting. hardly "balanced".

No, you are not getting balanced reporting. You are getting very partisan reporting being passed off as balanced, and it's for businesses.

Next, I don't know just how much U.S. news you read that is actually IN the U.S., but what you found isn't correct. I live down here, so I can tell you that the information on that site is wrong, wrong, wrong! Jerry Oz is telling you the same thing.


He is ahead 10 in the Electoral College; and yesterday, before they moved NC back to a tossup, he was behind 5.

NC isn't really an issue as of now. It's all about Ohio. If Obama wins Ohio, it's all over.

The news tonight is that a tea-bagger group from Texas is planting a reported one million election poll "overseers" in the attempt to discourage and intimidate" Black and Latino voters. They are telling people the wrong voting day, and discouraging early voting.

Meanwhile, an Indiana republican Richard Murdoch, has said something very stupid. He said last night that if a woman gets impregnated by a rapist, it is God's will.

Now, They are keeping Romney and Ryan away from states where they will have to answer questions. They are rallying with Glen Beck and Dick Cheany.

If you thought the race-baiting was bad enough, now they are playing on christians' fears of the end of the world and the antichrist. Dispicable!


This all being said, I think that today's polls showed a little bit of recovery due to the Monday debate performance.

Obama's recovered quite a bit, and Romney's numbers are staring to subside a bit, but it's still too close to call. Obama's approval rating, as of tonight, is back to 53% . meanwhile, Fox and Romney are trying to say that he is ahead and will win.


John King was making his own observation I believe.

Honestly, I don't watch enough John King to know where he sits on the spectrum.


If John King and Real Clear Politics were Fox News, I wouldn't be nervous.

RealClear Politics is the same as Fox news.

[soulster]

Obama has a 30 point lead in Ohio.

Obama now has a 70% chance of winning the election. Most polls show Obama healthily ahead of Romney. Romney is lying about the polls tonight.

Even your RealClear Politics site gives Obama a 47% to Romney's 45% in Ohio. The only place the two are tied is in Colorado.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama this morning, saying that he is more comfortable with him as President. Not in those words, exactly.

[Roberta75]

Obama has a 30 point lead in Ohio.

Obama now has a 70% chance of winning the election. Most polls show Obama healthily ahead of Romney. Romney is lying about the polls tonight.

Colin Powell endorsed Obama this morning, saying that he is more comfortable with him as President. Not in those words, exactly.

The President has a 5 point lead in Ohio not a 30 point lead. It's lies like this that keep Democrats away from the polls on election day cause they feel they don't have to vote. This is a real close election and we need everyone to vote so please stop inflating figures and distorting truth.

The good book of Exodus clearly states:

“You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness."

Roberta

[jobeterob]

Still watching with baited breath.

I think President Obama has a slight edge right now; I don't normally pray but I will that this is maintained.

He might get a little traction from Governor Christie and sadly from the hurricane disaster.

[soulster]

People are seeing how well Pres. Obama stays on top of a national emergency, and works with those who oppose him. There was no politics in this.

Romney, OTOH, staged a Red Cross donation at Wall-mart by his people buying 5G worth of food for a photo op, all the while still lying his ass off about Obama, and his surrogates bashing Obama. And, Romney's not looking good right now, and being clobbered in Wisconsin and Ohio.

If the election were held tomorrow, Obama would win.

[ralpht]

I'm still betting on a landslide victory for President Obama.

[jobeterob]

I'm still betting on a landslide victory for President Obama.

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/parallels-to-countrys-racist-past-haunt-age-of-obama/?hpt=hp_t2

[marv2]

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/01/parallels-to-countrys-racist-past-haunt-age-of-obama/?hpt=hp_t2

Nice historical piece, but I fail to see any relevance to today and the current election. Obama is going to win a second term!

[ralpht]

Rob,
I'm well aware that racism is still an issue in America. It became crystal clear after the inauguration of the President. So sad and hard to believe that there are still those that will not accept someone no matter how well the guy is doing.

[sophisticated_soul]

I'm still betting on a landslide victory for President Obama.

And I'm hoping to be the first one to say "Sir Ralph, you had it right all along!":)

[Roberta75]

I'm still betting on a landslide victory for President Obama.

From your lips to Gods ears dear Ralph.

Fondly,

Roberta

[Jerry Oz]

Rob,
I'm well aware that racism is still an issue in America. It became crystal clear after the inauguration of the President. So sad and hard to believe that there are still those that will not accept someone no matter how well the guy is doing.
I am absolutely amazed that there are so many who want to vote for Romney based on things like birtherism, alleged socialism, gun rights, and the president's allegedly being a muslim. Some bring up the economy, but any reasonable person will look at where we were four years ago vs. where we are now and realize the turnaround is amazing, even though it's not yet robust.

I honestly believe a lot of people want so badly to not like him that they chase ghosts to justify their vote. When they catch them, there's nothing there but a fading glimmer, so they try find something else. They could do themselves a favor by just admitting it. The Georgia woman who printed up the "Don't Re-Nig in 2012" bumper stickers did so because she and her neighbors felt emboldened by the overt racism displayed by many Tea Party figures. Sarah Palin just accused the president of "shucking and jiving" and according to Faux News guests, he was said to have "thrown spears" at Romney in the debates. Seriously, America? Really?!

[jobeterob]

I see statistics and polls indicating 90% of the population in other countries would vote for President Obama and yet, in the USA, for the first time in a month, he is ahead of Romney by 1/10th of 1%. Astounding.

I do hope all of the SD people are voting because remember, George Bush won an election by 539 votes in Florida!

Very interesting how Governor Christie is now in love with President Obama. I'm wondering if Christie might hope to run for President in 2016 or if he's hoping this love in gets him relected in 2014. In any case, that was very nice to see - two politicians from opposing parties working together. It seems very rare in the USA.

Good luck with it all on Tuesday you guys.

[soulster]

Sarah Palin just accused the president of "shucking and jiving" and according to Faux News guests, he was said to have "thrown spears" at Romney in the debates. Seriously, America? Really?!

And those people are damn proud of it, too.

[stephanie]

Kudos to Chris Christie and President Obama for stepping up to the plate. Vote on Tuesday and may the best man win. New Jersey and New York you have my prayers.

[jillfoster]

Everyone needs to not be complacent, and get out and vote. It's no surprise that EVERY face at Romney rallies are "White and Delightsome" as his church puts it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E

[Jerry Oz]

Jill, I'm amazed that people who call the president a Muslim [[like that's some sort of crime) suddenly have a newfound appreciation for Mormonism. Until a few weeks ago, Billy Graham called it a cult, but now it's hunky-dory [[no pun intended). All things being equal, keep your religion [[whatever it may be) out of my government.

[soulster]

Do you guys see what mess is going on in Florida and Ohio? People have been literally standing in line to vote because those states severely cut back on early voting. It turned out such a strong showing of angry people that now the state is saying they don't have enough people to man the polls, ans even closed the place early. Most of the people in those lines are Black people. This is voter suppression at it's worst, people!

I don't understand how anyone..ANYONE...could defend and vote for any republiKKKan, a party that actively attempts to suppress the votes on American citizens just so they can get back into power.

I just hope enough people around this country see this and are angry enough to vote for Obama/Democrats to help make up for this. I hope there is a landslide for Obama and Democrats to prove a point. Everyone please make DAMN sure you VOTE!

WE are no better than any second or third-world country at this point. Right now, the U.S. is NOT the greatest country on the planet. It is shameful, and if Romney wins, I will be ashamed to call myself an American.

[soulster]

Jill, I'm amazed that people who call the president a Muslim [[like that's some sort of crime) suddenly have a newfound appreciation for Mormonism. Until a few weeks ago, Billy Graham called it a cult, but now it's hunky-dory [[no pun intended). All things being equal, keep your religion [[whatever it may be) out of my government.

Also, just so we are all clear: Obama is NOT a muslim! He has repeatedly said he is a christian. To even entertain the idea is to give legitimacy to the birthers' racist claims that Obama is not a valid president, and is a liar. Is that clear, y'all?

[ralpht]

I think these long lines waiting to vote in Ohio and Florida tell the story in spite of the shameful shenanigans of the Repubs. Obabma by a LANDSLIDE. Wait and see.

[jobeterob]

By CBC News, cbc.ca, Updated: November-05-12 9:30 AM
Can black America withstand an Obama loss?
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David Robertson carried his own Bible to the Sunday morning service at Trinity United Church of Christ, tucked under the arm of his White Sox warmup jacket that is emblazoned with the black and white lettering of Chicago's South Side team.

Robertson, a 45-year-old police officer, is voting for Barack Obama again tomorrow. And for him, it's clear why the president has faced such fervent hostility from opponents and detractors during his four years in office.

"To be honest, it's racism; it's the colour of his skin," Robertson told CBCNews.ca as he walked to Trinity UCC, a landmark of African-American faith and culture in Chicago, and where the Obamas were married 20 years ago by the sometimes controversial, now-retired Rev. Jeremiah Wright. "If he wasn’t black, Obama wouldn't be going through all of this."

That's one view, of course, and not something you hear from the top of either of the main campaigns. But as an undercurrent in an unexpectedly tight election – one fuelled by growing concerns about voter suppression tactics aimed at obvious minorities – it may yet be something to be reckoned with.

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Four years ago, Chicago soared, and so did most of the world along with it. More than 200,000 people swarmed Grant Park to watch Obama make history with his election night victory speech.

"Between [NBA star] Derrick Rose and Barack Obama, we felt like Chicago's been put on the map," said South Side resident and first-time voter John Moran, who was 14 when Obama won in 2008. "As a city, we’re back and we're not just overlooked any more."

Four years later, with the economy still struggling and Obama locked in a tight and often bitter race for re-election, polls show an overwhelming majority of African-Americans still stand behind the president. But some are clearly wondering where the rest of the crowd went after that night at Grant Park.

Heading into the final day of campaigning, the president is leading in polls in several key swing states, and there are many pundits and pollsters who say he has more paths to an Electoral College win than Republican Mitt Romney does. It has probably also helped that the president won widespread praise for leading the federal response to Hurricane Sandy, including from New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a key Romney supporter.

Race played no part in that, and Obama’s opponents have bristled at any suggestion that his colour is a factor in the tight contest. They insist Americans have proven that they are above such prejudice by electing him in the first place, and shouldn’t feel bad about voting him out for not doing a good enough job of fixing the economy.

Still, Obama supporters point to examples of what they view as racially-tinged hostility toward the president from prominent Republican voices – from Sarah Palin’s “shucking and jiving” jab a few weeks ago to Rush Limbaugh's almost daily diatribes and most recently, a suggestion by John Sununu, one of Romney’s top supporters, that former Republican secretary of state Colin Powell only endorsed Obama, again, because the two men are black.

In the heat of the campaign, some conservatives have said they suspect liberals would blame an Obama defeat on racism no matter what happens. But how deep that blame might go is still an open question.

"Race is something that is uncomfortably and inaccurately dealt with in America," says Clarence B. Jones, a lawyer, professor and former adviser to the slain Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the 1960s.

In an interview with CBCNews.ca, Jones said African-Americans will accept a Romney win – provided it is seen as being on the level.

"They’ll say, 'OK, we lost and I'm disappointed, but we'll try again next time,'" says Jones, who is currently teaching a course at the University of San Francisco on the history of race relations from slavery to Obama's election.

However, Jones added that he and other in the black community are concerned about the voter identification laws that were brought in by Republican-dominated state legislatures over the past two years, as well as by "rumblings" of attempts to spread confusion about polling hours and poll locations in districts with significant African-American or Latino populations.

"You don’t want 12 per cent of the population believing that the principal reason Obama lost is that he was black," he said. "That would be extremely damaging to the country and will feed a sense of cynicism that will be very hard to overcome."

Critics have condemned the voter ID laws as voter-suppression tactics targeting mostly poor or minority voters who are more likely to vote Democrat. In several states these laws have been held up in the courts after challenges from the Justice Department and voters' groups, and won't be in place for election day.

If Obama were to lose on Tuesday, anger within the black community could potentially boil over into a greater crisis than the intense Bush-Gore election result battle in Florida in 2000 – but only if "clear, convincing, perceptible evidence" emerges that the vote was somehow influenced by racially-motivated or underhanded conspiracies, Jones said.

Moran, now 18 and a freshman at Calumet College of St. Joseph in Indiana, says he expects some bitterness in Chicago if Obama loses, but he doesn't expect any huge protests if Romney wins.

"Some of the views he has, I just don't agree with as a middle-class African-American," he said as he and friend Juwan Johnson, 15, walk to a nearby McDonald's.

"It will be hard for us. But in terms of riots and that stuff, I don't think it's going to be that crazy."

As David Robertson neared his South Side church, he paused when asked about the possibility of a Romney presidency. "We’re the 47 per cent he was talking about," Robertson said, referring to Romney's now-infamous recorded comments at a private fundraiser that dominated the campaign ahead of the debates.

"I think we'll be in trouble, but black people have always got through trials and tribulations," he said. "We’ll just have to keep going."

[Roberta75]

I think these long lines waiting to vote in Ohio and Florida tell the story in spite of the shameful shenanigans of the Repubs. Obabma by a LANDSLIDE. Wait and see.

I am confidant that President Obama will win as well Ralph but everyone need to get out and vote vote vote. tell all your family members, neighbor and friends to get out and vote.

Fondly,

Roberta

[Jerry Oz]

I am confidant that President Obama will win as well Ralph but everyone need to get out and vote vote vote. tell all your family members, neighbor and friends to get out and vote.

Fondly,

Roberta
It took a few hundred people who didn't feel like going to the polling stations in Florida in 2000 to provide the opportunity to rape the process that makes our nation great. The fallout from those who were not interested: The hard-gained surplus was thrown away; the powers-that-be ignored warning signs for 9-11; two unfunded wars; millions of foreclosures; millions of lost pensions due to Wall Street tanking; and a global recession.

I firmly believe that if they can steal a state again, they will pull out all stops. Every vote counts and must be cast.

[ralpht]

I agree, Roberta. This is not the time to be over-confident. VOTE!

[Roberta75]

It took a few hundred people who didn't feel like going to the polling stations in Florida in 2000 to provide the opportunity to rape the process that makes our nation great. The fallout from those who were not interested: The hard-gained surplus was thrown away; the powers-that-be ignored warning signs for 9-11; two unfunded wars; millions of foreclosures; millions of lost pensions due to Wall Street tanking; and a global recession.

I firmly believe that if they can steal a state again, they will pull out all stops. Every vote counts and must be cast.

Well stated Jerry Oz.

Tell everyone to get out and vote. And to us gals, tell every woman you know to vote as the Supreme Court is at stake. Do we really want a bunch of old white men telling us what to do with our body?

Roberta

[Jerry Oz]

I'm amazed nobody called out Willard for his stance on abortion. I find someone who thinks that abortions should be allowed in the case of rape, incest, or health of the mother is the most hypocritical person in the debate. If "every life is precious", why are you making distinctions? Nobody has called Romney/Ryan to task in this regard. Even the religious nuts don't like it, but they're willing to let it go. Ask yourself this question: Why would the right wing ever eliminate abortion in any regard? It's the gift that keeps on giving! They energize their base quicker on abortion than anything else and they've been doing it for 40 years, now. With that being said, one day they will do something about it. And if some allegedly evangelical Christian can make legal determinations about your rights based on his religious beliefs, where's it going to end?

[jobeterob]

I hope all of you in every state will vote.

The races are very very tight in 9 states and every vote is going to count.

Most of the rest of the world cannot believe this is even a contest; but the polls indicate this is another Kennedy/Nixon or Bush/Gore year. And remember what happened when Gore lost by 539 votes in Florida.

[Jerry Oz]

I hope all of you in every state will vote.

The races are very very tight in 9 states and every vote is going to count.

Most of the rest of the world cannot believe this is even a contest; but the polls indicate this is another Kennedy/Nixon or Bush/Gore year. And remember what happened when Gore lost by 539 votes in Florida.
And a few thousand hanging chads. That's when the wheels popped off of America and she went off the side of the road.

[soulster]

I think these long lines waiting to vote in Ohio and Florida tell the story in spite of the shameful shenanigans of the Repubs. Obabma by a LANDSLIDE. Wait and see.

I see a slim Obama victory, and an awful lot of yelling and court challenges by the republicans. After all, "How could Barrack Hussein Obama win after all we tried to do to make sure he didn't win?".

[soulster]

I agree, Roberta. This is not the time to be over-confident. VOTE!

Yeah, but you're the one who keeps saying he will win by a landslide! LOL!

[ralpht]

I'm still betting on it Soulster.

[snakepit]

I've been watching a lot of election coverage here in the UK.via Fox News. It seems to me to be a virtual department of the Republican Party. It's so biased.
Is that normal?

[soulster]

I've been watching a lot of election coverage here in the UK.via Fox News. It seems to me to be a virtual department of the Republican Party. It's so biased.
Is that normal?

For Fox? Yes. Rupert Murdoch is a far-right conservative republican. he uses all of hie news media companies to spread his political philosophy. That is why rational thinkers keep telling people not to watch Fox news if they want fair reporting.

Stop watching Fox. CNN would be better. Even NBC is more balanced than Fox, and it leans left.

[marv2]

I watch MSNBC, CNN sometimes and Fox.......NEVER!

[snakepit]

Confirms what I thought........they don't seem balanced at all.
We do get CNN ....might try them

[soulster]

Confirms what I thought........they don't seem balanced at all.
We do get CNN ....might try them

Fox is so far to the right it's disgusting!

[jobeterob]

Avoid Fox like the plague.

At times, I think it shares a good deal of the responsibility for why the USA is so out of step and out of touch with the world. It also shares the responsibility for dividing the USA so sharply and pitting half the country against the other half.

[soulster]

Avoid Fox like the plague.

At times, I think it shares a good deal of the responsibility for why the USA is so out of step and out of touch with the world. It also shares the responsibility for dividing the USA so sharply and pitting half the country against the other half.

100% true. It's no wonder that Fox news is the #1 cable news network here in the U.S., and probably other countries as well. It's example one of why this country is do partisan. Rarely will you see anything unbiased on Fox. The other day, I was flipping channels and caught someone saying that 78% of republicans are racist, and the rest deny it. I laughed in agreement, and kept going. I imagine the fox spin machine had some choice words for that person!

What I think is funny on fox is whenever someone on their channel says something that goes against the grain, one of the talking heads desperately tries to change the subject or swing it back to one of the republican talking points. Bill O'Reilly is so obvious about it.

Unfortunately, many look at that channel and think it is some kind of accurate example of where all of the U.S. is. Some people here don't even realize just how politically biased they are. Everyone on the right thinks their ideology is the norm and that anyone else left of where they are, are just an aberration.

[Roberta75]

I've been watching a lot of election coverage here in the UK.via Fox News. It seems to me to be a virtual department of the Republican Party. It's so biased.
Is that normal?

Fox News peddles fear and veiled racism to older white people. Their main demographic is 55-75 year old white conservatives. They take real liberties with the truth and are quick to add [[D) Democrat to a name after any Republican get caught in a scandal. They correct it later on that day but they do it every time a Republican get caught with their pants down. If you want a real look into the world of Fox News I suggest you watch a DVD called OutFoxed. It's real scary the way Murdoch and his Network skews the news to tarnish Democrats.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/outfoxed-rupert-murdochs-war-on-journalism/

I can't watch Fox News. I get most of my news from the radio. NPR is best IMO.

Yours, with every good wish.

Roberta

[snakepit]

I intend to have a late night watching the results....
From what you all say , then I will be guarded about Fox.
Also, the entire crowd supporting Romney seem to be white, middle class......no Black, Hispanic at all. Is the USA so divisive?

[snakepit]

BTW I'm visiting New York [[Manhattan) next 4th July.
Looking forward to it.....shame about the trouble re Sandy. Statten Island, New Jersey, Queens, Brooklyn had it bad.I will only see Manhattan [[perhaps cross into Brooklyn......only time to do the tourist bits ) Hope these areas recover soon

[Jerry Oz]

Many of us are surprised as to how divisive the country is, snakepit. I personally had hoped we turned the corner on it in 2008, but it suddenly became okay to admit what I've been suspecting all along as to how many problems there are in this country. The Palins, Geraldo Riveras, Sean Hannitys, Bill O'Reillys, Rush Limbaughs, and Glenn Becks began saying overtly racist things and the media barely checked them. Four years later, what may have been innuendo before has turned into outright and open hate. What's sad is that it's fomented within the lower and middle-class much more than I would have thought. Nobody is going to call me a name to my face, but they can carry home-made signs at Tea Bag rallies that contain the most hateful words imaginable.

[soulster]

Also, the entire crowd supporting Romney seem to be white, middle class......no Black, Hispanic at all. Is the USA so divisive?

Yes it is. It is incredibly stupid and racist. And, as of now, it looks like we are screwed.

[soulster]

What also bothers me is that voter machines have been allegedly rigged. they had one shown earlier on MSNBC where the voter tried to vote for Obama, but the machine kept ticking Romney. He called the officials and they removed the machine.

Thing is, how many other places, and and machines have similar problems that people didn't catch?

Where I live, we fill in the little oval with a pen, then slip the ballot into the counter machine.

[jobeterob]

To me, I think I'm seeing a ray of hope! Keep praying!

[soulster]

What's interesting is that the election, so far, has turned out almost exactly as predicted by the experts, the Obama team, and pundits on MSNBC and CNN. Looks like the polls were pretty accurate, too.

The space cadets on Fox...well...


All Obama needs to do is win Florida, and hopefully Ohio, and it's all over. he is leading in both states, but they are too close to call. Florida is a crazy! Razor thin margin. he's gotta get that! Colorado is in Obama's side too.

MSNBC has just reported that the Romney people are sequestered away from the media and having a long discussion. They are not responding to anyone right now.

[stephanie]

Soulster I am looking at the coverage on MSNBC which is very good! I laughed when they said the Romney camp would not return any calls. I hope O gets OHIO and FL> stay tuned!

[soulster]

IT'S OVER!!!!!! Obama has just won Ohio! He has just won re-election!!!!

[soulster]

I'm looking at Fox news right now, and listening to the way they are wording things. Boy, they are PISSED! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stephanie]

Soulster they are playing You Cant Hurry Love for the Obama campaign! Yes We Can!

[soulster]

The youth vote came out in full force again, as did the Latino and Black voters. Labor came out. Women came out. This shows you can't try to take away people's right to vote and not pay the consequences! ignore the people and favor the rich.

The tea-baggers lost ground tonight, too. Many of their people lost races bigtime tonight. However, congress is still the same.

Steph, I didn't hear. I am in another room on the computer. Are they playing The Supremes or Phil Collins?

[stephanie]

I agree with everything you said. They played YCHL about five minutes after it was announced Obama won. Do you know that Romney is not conceding to Ohio? I cant sleep this is exciting. Have to go to bed in an hour.

[soulster]

Romney refuses to concede Ohio. Shitbag Karl Rove is trying to get Fox news to walk back their call.

[stephanie]

I forgot to answer your question it was the Supremes they were playing not Phil Collins version. Oh and they also played The Second Time Around by Shalamar. Regarding Karl Rove he makes me sick! Fox News is a joke I kid you not when Obama won they looked so sad......LOL Serves all of these teabaggers right all of their lies and hypocrisy. Oh well lets celebrate tomorrow.

[Roberta75]

Praise Jesus. The President won and my womb is delighted.

In gratitude.

Roberta

[soulster]

Steph, it's just like republicans to try to steal away Obama's victories.

Virginia just now went to Obama.

Romney never even wrote a concession speech. What a dick!

California just gave Obama the popular vote. Florida and Nevada are still too close to call, but are leaning Obama's way. If Obama wins these, it doesn't matter.

Romney-hood needs to let it go.

[soulster]

Looks like he has let it go. Romney made the call to Obama, and is expected to give his speech shortly.

[marv2]

IT'S OVER!!!!!! Obama has just won Ohio! He has just won re-election!!!!

Just as I said he would! I was in Columbus yesterday at the same time as Obama and Romney. Congratulations President Obama......Congratulations America!

[marv2]

Steph, it's just like republicans to try to steal away Obama's victories.

Virginia just now went to Obama.

Romney never even wrote a concession speech. What a dick!

California just gave Obama the popular vote. Florida and Nevada are still too close to call, but are leaning Obama's way. If Obama wins these, it doesn't matter.

Romney-hood needs to let it go.

I wanted to hear a concession speech from Romney and then one from Ryan. Oh well......

[sophisticated_soul]

Signed, Sealed, Delivered! Yes!!!:)

[sophisticated_soul]

A magnificent acceptance speech. From the Heaven's above to all the hard work done on the ground, I am very grateful to have President Obama re-elected. :)

[snakepit]

Watched Fox this morning. They are talking about the Republican strategy in 4 years time, which kind of suggests that anything Obama does in that period will not work, be correct, worth trying etc.
All this reminds me of biased, entrenched views surrounding football teams.......people only want to see their side no matter what. Guess what, I hardly bother watching football anymore, least get into 'discussions'....no point.

[marv2]

I know this is a mainly Democratic audience..........but......

Is he gonna make it?

It looks increasingly tight.

Yes he is going to make it!!!!!

[Jerry Oz]

They were talking about what the GOP has to do to win back women in 2016 on the CBS news this morning. It's like they don't care to win Blacks, Hispanics, and Jews. They totally don't get the point that if their strategy of division works only to win the white male vote, then it's a stategy that they won't win with in the future either. Why aren't they trying to win the votes of so-called minority demographics? Aren't they supposed to represent us and our interests as well?

BTW: Pray for the president; there are many angry [[and armed) people out there.

[marv2]

They were talking about what the GOP has to do to win back women in 2016 on the CBS news this morning. It's like they don't care to win Blacks, Hispanics, and Jews. They totally don't get the point that if their strategy of division works only to win the white male vote, then it's a stategy that they won't win with in the future either. Why aren't they trying to win the votes of so-called minority demographics? Aren't they supposed to represent us and our interests as well?

BTW: Pray for the president; there are many angry [[and armed) people out there.

I don't believe Romney, Ryan and the Republicans spent even $1000 with black media outlets during this entire campaign cycle. That is incredible..........

[marv2]

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Sending your articleYour article has been sent. By Evan Allen, Town Correspondent

The presidential race was neck and neck Tuesday night, but in Belmont the results were clear: Mitt Romney was no favorite son.

President Obama won 65 percent of the vote in the town Romney has called home since 1971. Romney received 34 percent in a race that brought out 79 percent of Belmont’s 17,822 voters.

“It’s such a Democratic town,” William Sullivan, 32, said as he left Town Hall on Tuesday afternoon after voting to reelect the president.

Belmont has not voted Republican in a presidential race since 1980. While Belmont residents threw their support to Romney when he ran for governor in 2002, they backed Edward M. Kennedy over Romney in a 1994 Senate race.

That history seemed far away Tuesday morning, however, when Mitt Romney and his wife, Ann, swept into the Beech Street Center to cast their votes in the election. Usually a quiet oasis for senior citizens who want to quilt or play board games, the scene around the center hummed with Secret Service, extra police, and sign-toting residents – most supporting the Republican candidate.

“You’re going to win, Mitt!” someone in the crowd shouted, as Romney and his wife left in a motorcade for a final day of campaigning.

On the last nail-biter day of a presidential race that drew huge voter turnouts across the country, the quiet suburb of Belmont found itself squarely in the spotlight. Supporters and nonsupporters alike agreed that it had been one heck of a campaign season for the town of 25,000 outside Boston.

“How many times do you have somebody from your hometown running for president?” asked Chris Doyle, standing outside Town Hall where she was serving as a poll watcher. Doyle avoided the hoopla at the Beech Street Center, where she usually votes, by casting an absentee ballot for Obama on Friday.

“I think everyone’s just happy to have the election over,” she said.

The spotlight trained on Romney, she said, has spilled over onto the town itself, though she was not sure if that was a good or a bad thing. The Belmont she sees on the news, she said, doesn’t match the town she’s lived in since 2003.

“I think they’re looking to portray Romney in a certain light,” she said, and in pursuit of that image, the press has painted Belmont as a more exclusive place than it really is.

But while some in Belmont have grown weary of the attention, at least one resident said she wanted to see more members of the media walking the streets of Belmont.

Evelyn Cunningham, who has lived in Belmont for 50 years, said she thought Romney has not gotten enough good coverage in Belmont. Elephants marched across Cunningham’s sweater, where she had pinned Romney/Ryan buttons.

Casting her vote for her hometown candidate, she said, was a gratifying moment.

“I think he’s a source of pride to us,” she said. “He’s a man that will bring honor to us, because of his intelligence and his patriotism.”

At the Beech Street Center on Tuesday morning, Romney supporters made a strong showing.

A cheer went up outside the center as the Romneys left after casting their ballots. The crowd of about 200, many hoisting homemade Romney signs, broke into applause and hoots.

Asked by reporters inside the polling place who he voted for, Romney answered, “I think you know.”

Bill Dunham, a member of the Belmont Republican Town Committee, caught a glimpse of Romney giving “a nice wave” through his car windows. Dunham, 62, stood by a banner that read, “Belmont votes for Mitt and Ann,” which, he said, was meant to welcome them home to the community they’ve lived in for more than 40 years.

“They have a political side and a business side, but they’re part of the community.”

Evan Allen can be reached at evan.allen@globe.com.

[ralpht]

The Repubs got their asses handed to them last night. I couldn't be more pleased. God bless President Obama.

[R. Mark Desjardins]

To all my American friends on this site. What an election thrilla!5600

[MotownSteve]

Some icing on the cake: Allen West is out in Florida. And also Todd Akin in Missouri. Listening to his concession speech it shows he is unfamiliar with separation of church and state. He is also unfamiliar with several other things.

[ralpht]

And good riddance to those two, Steve.

[sophisticated_soul]

The Repubs got their asses handed to them last night. I couldn't be more pleased. God bless President Obama.

And it was a landslide, in the Electoral College:) Either way Ralph, you put it on the line that Obama would win. And as much as I wanted Obama to win I never felt 100% that it would happen, and I was losing faith when those first returns came in. You had it right all along. Next time your in town I owe you a drink [[or whatever your poison is:)). You called it!:cool:

[jobeterob]

Yahhhhhhhhhhhh.

And Ralph was pretty much right........at least in the Electoral College!

[ralpht]

Yeah, I was talking about the Electoral College. What tipped me off that Mitt's goose was going to get fried was simply by watching the audiences of each candidate. Mitt's would cheer for him but there was an aura of uncertainty about it. The President's crowd were raucous. Much more involved with their candidate. So it was a lock. Besides, America decided they didn't want to be governed by what was parading before our eyes this past year. This was the right call, no matter what your party.

[phil]

Here in France we're very happy for you [[good) American voters !

But there are other changes happening in different states, just found that one about Colorado and Washington wanting marijuana legalization. Sounds pretty interesting : http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/346355/28/Colorado-Washington-voters-want-marijuana-legalized

[marv2]

What or who was he quoting? Obama still is way ahead in the electoral college.



Significantly??? May I ask if you are a Romney supporter?

You cannot believe almost anything Jobeterob says especially if it is about things occurring on Earth in the past or present!

[ralpht]

Phil,
Yes those states have completely legalized weed. Pot is still considered a Federal crime though so it will be interesting to see how this will play.

[soulster]

Well, Ralph,

You did get your landslide, and Obama managed to get the popular vote, with two fewer states than last time, and with fewer of the White vote.

What would be funny if it weren't so pitiful is that republicans get all of their information form Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Glenn Beck, and the other far-right nuts, and they all told the flock to ignore the experts and pundits, and know that Romney would win with a landslide. That's why they are so devastated today.

Where your landslide did happen is in the congressional seats. No, the Democrats didn't get the House, or a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but most of the tea-baggers got the boot.

Right now, the republicans are wondering what happened. We have been trying to tell them, but they keep putting their fingers in their ears and burying their heads in the sand.

[tamla617]

I'm so happy that obama got another 4years.i might be over here but the president of the USA is as important to us in the UK as it is to you.The strength of america affects the whole of the free world.Mitt romney was/is a patronising politician in the Trump mould.[[how frightning would he be?)I think america did itself a favour returning a decent man to get his work finished,if the congress give him a chance.It was great to see the demographic of how you voted black 95+%,hispanic 65%,asian,women,men,age groups. etc.

[soulster]

BTW: Pray for the president; there are many angry [[and armed) people out there.

Well, i'm a Black democrat, I voted, and i'm armed too.

[jobeterob]

I would love it if Obama banned assault rifles in the USA as well..........for a start!

[jillfoster]

I have really enjoyed posting this on conservative facebook pages today:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJgyuAu6eo

[smark21]

This article is an excellent sumnation of the election results, IMO.
http://davidsimon.com/inevitabilities-and-barack-obama/

[soulster]

Have you guys been watching Rachel Maddow tonight? Dhe just ran down a very, very long list of the ways the liberal democrats won, and the ways the republicans lost, and how the talking heads on Fox filled their heads with lies and deceit.

The show will be re-run later tonight, too!

[Jerry Oz]

Ralph was on point and I was on pins and needles. One election year, formerly moderate Republicans [[like McCain and Romney) are going to figure out that they stand a muuuuch better chance to win these things by staying centrist instead of going so far to the right. I'm shocked that these two tools built their whole careers on being centrist, but when it came to being a presidential candidate, they pissed away any chance that centrist voters [[I believe most of the USA falls into this category) would vote for them by embracing not only fiscally conservative principles, but also far-right socially conservative principles. God bless 'em, the losers.

[soulster]

I would love it if Obama banned assault rifles in the USA as well..........for a start!

He should, but, that really would be a bad move right now. The gun nuts are counting on it. They are already disgusting.
I live in gun country. I live among the tea-baggers/far-right nuts. I know how crazy they are.

I don't know where in Canada you live, or how far in the U.S. you have ever been, but watching Fox is an example of what you see all over this country.

[soulster]

Ralph was on point and I was on pins and needles. One election year, formerly moderate Republicans [[like McCain and Romney) are going to figure out that they stand a muuuuch better chance to win these things by staying centrist instead of going so far to the right. I'm shocked that these two tools built their whole careers on being centrist, but when it came to being a presidential candidate, they pissed away any chance that centrist voters [[I believe most of the USA falls into this category) would vote for them by embracing not only fiscally conservative principles, but also far-right socially conservative principles.

Except, when I watched a bit of Fox early this morning, their excuse for Romney losing? he wasn't conservative enough! Bill O'Reilly said they lost because Romney didn't make Marco Rubio his running mate. O'Reilly says that these people want things "given to them". In other words, the conservatives just don't get the message! They don't understand that it's not just the faces of their party. it's their policies and messages too. It's their actions of voter suppression, bullying, sexism, racists, attempting to run around and dismantle the Constitution, and many other things. Watch Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC later on. You'll see what I mean.


God bless 'em, the losers.

Why? They would curse us. They get no luv from me!

[Jerry Oz]

Soulster, they truly believe themselves to be the smartest people in the room. However, the first thing a smart leader would notice is that nobody is following his lead and the second thing is to figure out why. And when I said "God bless 'em", I was truly facetious. What I saw before the election [[and for the last four years from Tea Baggers and Republican leaders) is some of the most hateful, racist, demeaning, untruthful public acts that I've seen in my 50s years. Although I am encouraged by President Obama's re-election, I'm discouraged that they brought back the worst of 1950s-era USA. Except for the constraints of law, I shudder to think what I would be capable of doing in response.

[splanky]

you and me both, Jerry, you and me both....

[soulster]

Soulster, they truly believe themselves to be the smartest people in the room.

Yeah, if they had really been the smartest people in the room, they would have figured out that they are their own worst enemy. The reason Romney lost is themselves. They have a party that they allowed to be taken over by ideological extremists.

[Jerry Oz]

Yeah, if they had really been the smartest people in the room, they would have figured out that they are their own worst enemy. The reason Romney lost is themselves. They have a party that they allowed to be taken over by ideological extremists.
Someone told me that the complaint among the conservative pundits is that Romney was not far enough to the right on the issues. He only made gains in the polls after he mysteriously became centrist during the debates, in spite of the last two years of painting himself as ultra-conservative.

[jobeterob]

Barack Obama won Florida this afternoon as well.

[Jerry Oz]

But, "it's not a mandate", jobeterob. Question: If this is not a mandate, then WTF is a mandate?

And Boehner sadly accepted ACA as the "law of the land".

[jobeterob]

Ted Nugent isn't happy about Obama's second term.Patrick Pentland Nov 7, 2012 0 Comments Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on stumbleuponShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services10


Ah, Ted Nugent. Is there anything you won't say? The ultra-conservative windbag rocker took to Twitter last night to let everyone know how he felt about President Barack Obama's second term victory.

Here are a few nuggets from the Nuge:

"Pimps wh*res & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America."

"So Obama still demands the hardest workers provide for the nonwotkers. Shared opportunities my a**."

"What subhuman varmint believes others must pay for their obesity booze cellphones birthcontrol abortions & lives."

"Goodluk America u just voted for economic & spiritual suicide. Soulless fools."

Earlier this year Nugent was questioned by the Secret Service over statements he made at a National Rifle Association rally: "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year." It was widely thought that the "Wango Tango" singer was insinuating that he would attempt to assassinate the President.

Stay classy Teddy. Oh, and say "hi" to Trump when you see him.

[Jerry Oz]

Teddy and the Donald: Two nuts in the same limp sack.

[soulster]

What is everyone's experience so far with the republicans? Most of the ones I know are extremely angry. They all watch Fox news and bought into the Fox lies. They seriously believed he would lose.

I tell them that when they are ready, I will tell them why they lost. In some cases, I will have to tell them that they, themselves are the reason.

[soulster]

Someone told me that the complaint among the conservative pundits is that Romney was not far enough to the right on the issues. He only made gains in the polls after he mysteriously became centrist during the debates, in spite of the last two years of painting himself as ultra-conservative.

Yeah, and many in the public saw through that. People don't want a phony in office with few or no core principles. And, the ones they saw didn't look pretty.

By all rights, the republicans should have won back the presidency. Unemployment is still high, wages are still low. We have a massive debt. While we are doing great on avoiding terrorism on our soil, we have a lot of turmoil in hot spots overseas. And, we have deep partisan division in congress. So, what happened? The far-right radicals did all they could to stop Obama's work, and their supporters offended just about everyone except White men and christian religious nuts. And the absolute worst is trying to suppress the vote of anyone who might vote against their candidates.

[Jerry Oz]

Soulster, do you ever wonder why they believe that their message is so weak that they have to resort to outright lies and distortions to try to win? For example, the $716 billion Medicare lie. Ryan had the same money taken out in his proposed budget and it only applied to unnecessary spending, but they tried to spin it as the president taking money out of Medicare and leaving seniors in a lurch. Another one was the welfare work requirement change. The president changed it because many governors, most of them Republican [[one former governor, name of Romney) asked to give them the leeway to run their welfare programs without it. He consented [[Bush and Clinton didn't) and they used it against him.

Your point about core values is 100% correct. Had they stuck with their message instead of trying to distort the president's accomplishments, they probably could have won. That wasn't good enough and our "sorry" president beat them. Who's sorry now?

[soulster]

Your point about core values is 100% correct. Had they stuck with their message instead of trying to distort the president's accomplishments, they probably could have won. That wasn't good enough and our "sorry" president beat them. Who's sorry now?

Well, this answers your first question. They did stick to their messages, and that's why they couldn't win. They had no choice but to lie about everything. They knew their base was full of unsavory people, and their surrogates were bigots, racists, sexists, and ignorant religious nutjobs. They needed them so they tolerated them. The problem with their plan id that enough people saw through their bullshit. The republicans overplayed their hand. It also makes me wonder just how many of those registered republicans, actually scared of a Romney/Ryan presidency, quietly voted for Obama.

[robb_k]

5604
As The Orioles once sang: "Thank The Lord! Thank The Lord!"

I don't have a tremendous amount of faith in The Democrats. But they've got to be 10,000 times better than The Republicans.

[Roberta75]

5604
As The Orioles once sang: "Thank The Lord! Thank The Lord!"

I don't have a tremendous amount of faith in The Democrats. But they've got to be 10,000 times better than The Republicans.

Try 100,000 times better dear robb_k.

Fondly,

Roberta

[soulster]

I don't have a tremendous amount of faith in The Democrats. But they've got to be 10,000 times better than The Republicans.

They have this one last chance to do right by the people. The people gave Obama and the democrats one more chance. If they play this right, they can solidify their place, and in the hearts and minds of the electorate as we watch the GOP crash and burn, as they are hell-bent on doing it their way or the highway.

[Jerry Oz]

The only solution to the mess that we find ourselves in is a viable third party that is not further out to the left of the Democrats or right of the Republicans. This party can't effect change unless it has at least 20% of both houses of Congress. The Democrats have very little to hang their hats on besides the fact that they aren't as bad as the GOP. In fact, the Republicans probably could have won if they had not gone out of their way to steal the election.

I think a lot of folks were persuaded that if someone was willing to take your right to vote, then it must be important enough to do. I read an article that reported that one of the first signs that the jig was up for Romney was when they had reports that the lines on election day were extremely long in certain areas [[which I took to mean the areas where they took extra steps to discourage voting).

If you tell most Americans not to do something, it's bad enough. But to take away our right to do it will only stir the rebellious nature that defines us. They stirred up a hornet's nest unnecessarily and guaranteed their defeat.

[robb_k]

5608
There is need for more than a third party. There needs to be a system in which the people are represented. There has to be a way for people's grass roots parties to develop, and also get the chance for the same amount of media advertising as the two existing parties, and also there needs to be a way the the people can elect representatives that won't become beholden to big money [[e.g. that helps elect them, and that gives them money and favours, while and after they are in office). I don't know if that ever can happen. EVERY governmental system has the problem of graft and monied interests running the office-holders like puppets [[to some extent). But, in Europe and the British Commonwealth countries, it is held in check, to some extent, by several parties and coalitions. In USA the many disparate interests are channeled into only two parties. So, it's difficult to get what they want. It is almost always watered down until it is of little value.

[Jerry Oz]

I agree with you 100%. However, representative government died in Washington, DC about 100 million Americans ago. It's impossible for Mr. Smith to go to the capital and enact his agenda without getting 300+ other congressmen to sign on. Consequently, he'll sell out 19 of the 20 promises he stumped on in order to get 19 other congressmen to pull for his one big one. He'll do the same for them. You have to build a coalition to do anything and that's the problem.

It used to be that you had moderates in both parties that could work with each other, but now moderates are run out of Congress on a rail if they work with someone from the other side. You already have Boehner and McConnell digging in on taxes and the election isn't even a week past. No Republican is going to cross that line, even with the fiscal cliff looming in seven weeks. It's crazy; I can't be fiscally conservative but socially progressive and vote in the interests of my constituents? I have to be both and vote in the interests of my party? Crazy.

If we were to have representative government, we'd have to divide the country into 3-4 "super states". Each would comprise 75-100 million citizens and would be geographically related to each other. If one of them wanted to pass progressive laws, it could do so without the rest of the country going ape-shit. And if someone didn't appreciate living in a super state where abortion was illegal, he/she could move to one where it was not. The same for taxes. The same for education and highways. The Senate and president could then focus on the interests of the entire country and let the piddly stuff be handled down below.

We have outgrown any possibility of representative government and only a constitutional change in how the very nation is comprised will bring the voice back to the people.

[soulster]

The only solution to the mess that we find ourselves in is a viable third party that is not further out to the left of the Democrats or right of the Republicans. This party can't effect change unless it has at least 20% of both houses of Congress.

Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but they are too closely aligned with the republicans, and their platform concerning the "free market" and eliminating the minimum wage and unions just won't sell. We have seen the proof of that last week.

Like I said before, now is the opportunity for the Democrats to make their mark. Trouble is, they are in the same kind of bind the republicans are in. The independents want them to work with the republicans, who, BTW, still refuse, even after their shellacking last Tuesday, and the party's supporters who want Obama to stand up to them. Personally, I want Obama to stand up to the republicans because we have already seen what that the GOP still isn't interested in anything but having their own way. The voters lost faith in Obama over the last four years precisely because he kept trying to negotiate with them. All they did was slap him around. Every single Obama supporter I know wants Obama to FIGHT, not "get along". Clearly, Obama stands for the people.

[ralpht]

I liked Harry Ried's comment regarding Boenner's stating that the Repubs would like to work with the Democrats. Saying the Dems are willing to work with them but they shouldn't think that they are going to come in and push us around.

[Jerry Oz]

The president has the high ground right now. Nothing has to happen to raise taxes because both the middle-class and Bush tax cuts are going to expire if nobody does anything. It's possible to extend one without the other; I'm convinced that Romney would have extended the Bush cuts but let the middle-class cuts expire. The GOP is willing to let all expire in order to push President Obama into a corner wherein he will relinquish his demand to raise taxes on the wealthy. He should let them all expire since they won't extend one without the other and paint them as the party of higher taxes. In that case, it would be easier for him to tell the country that he tried than it would for them. I can easily see a total reversal of what happend in 2010 if that occurs.

[Jerry Oz]

Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but they are too closely aligned with the republicans, and their platform concerning the "free market" and eliminating the minimum wage and unions just won't sell. We have seen the proof of that last week.
A third party only benefits the system if it fills the gaps between the two existing entities. The libertarians are further to the right than the Republicans, so they aren't serving a role for compromise. Only when we have a substantial amount of elected representatives who are socially progressive/fiscally conservative or socially conservative/fiscally progressive can there be compromise.

[soulster]

The president has the high ground right now. Nothing has to happen to raise taxes because both the middle-class and Bush tax cuts are going to expire if nobody does anything. It's possible to extend one without the other; I'm convinced that Romney would have extended the Bush cuts but let the middle-class cuts expire. The GOP is willing to let all expire in order to push President Obama into a corner wherein he will relinquish his demand to raise taxes on the wealthy. He should let them all expire since they won't extend one without the other and paint them as the party of higher taxes. In that case, it would be easier for him to tell the country that he tried than it would for them. I can easily see a total reversal of what happend in 2010 if that occurs.

I hope Obama calls their bluff, as what the public wants. Romney would have made those cuts for the wealthy permanent and stuck it to the rest of us. That was certain. There is a reason he had all that corporate and individual wealth pouring in almost 400 million dollars into his campaign through Karl Rove's super-pac. That's not even including the money the others contributed.

[soulster]

A third party only benefits the system if it fills the gaps between the two existing entities. The libertarians are further to the right than the Republicans, so they aren't serving a role for compromise. Only when we have a substantial amount of elected representatives who are socially progressive/fiscally conservative or socially conservative/fiscally progressive can there be compromise.

I doubt it. You saw that the Libertarians are aligned with the republicans, or vice versa. The democrats really have no other off-shoot or third party that are aligned with them.