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daviddesper
09-27-2012, 12:46 AM
A few weeks back, I asked for advice on here about whether I should take a trip to Detroit or to Memphis. Most of you suggested Memphis as having the most attractions, but after seeing the Marvelettes' "Unsung" feature, I decided to take a Detroit trip first and put Memphis off till later. Well I am back now and here are some thoughts from a first-timer.

It was great to see a giant photo of the Marvelettes as the first thing you see when you open the door. In fact, the photos and other memorabilia throughout the building are very impressive and you would need to stay 2-3 hours minimum to take everything in.

The tour guides were very young [[early 20s I would say) but very enthusiastic and well-trained on their subject matter. Because of the time my friend and I arrived, we joined one tour already in progress, then went with another one for a second round. That turned out to be wise because they definitely had different styles and covered different subjects.

I knew a lot of the history they were describing but I will confess to learning a few things that I did not know. For example:

1) They showed us the echo chamber that was designed to get a richer fuller sound on hand claps, etc. I had never heard about that.

2) I had never heard that Berry kept the studio open 24/7 during the label's heyday. That certainly explains the amazing amount of material produced out of there.

3) I did not know the policy that radio stations had of not playing more than 3 songs per hour per label, which led to Berry establishing the different labels under the Motown umbrella.

4) I had always thought that Martha got her start when Mary Wells didn't show up for a session and she filled in, but the guide said it was Kim Weston. Anyone know for sure on that?

Speaking of Martha, I was disappointed that neither she nor any other stars popped in during the several hours we were there. Of course that would be the ultimate fantasy and would really make a fan's day, and I guess I really did have a picture in my mind that some of them hung around there or put in an appearance just to enhance the experience. But then of course I do realize they all have lives of their own, are getting older, etc. so I am sure it is rare to see any of them there. The lady in the gift shop did say that Martha is the one that shows up the most often of the original stars.

And speaking of disappointment, I have a question about one of the t-shirts they sell in there. I realize this will be hard to describe without a photo, but I am guessing one of you will have the exact shirt in question and can scan a shot of it, so the others will know what I am talking about.

It is a shirt that was fashioned after an inner sleeve that they used for albums in the early 70s. I am looking right now at a copy, which came with the original "Black Magic" album.

Anyway, that sleeve, and the t-shirts in the gift shop, featured a collage of about 20-30 names of Motown artists arranged in a pattern. But here is my complaint/question. Why were the Marvelettes left off this shirt, when it has much less significant artists, such as Letta, Bobby Darin, and Lodi, who I have to admit that I have never even heard of?

If the answer is that the group had broken up by the time this design was created, I might buy that, but I think some of the others had left and gone on to other labels by then [[Edwin Starr, Four Tops, Spinners being possible examples) so what is the difference?

Anyway, as a shirt it would have been a great idea, and I would have bought one in a heartbeat, but decided against it with the Marvs not being featured on it. Even the lady in the store seemed shocked, but then of course that would have been the expected reaction from her.

So to summarize, a fantastic experience, one that makes you feel as if you "were really there" so I highly recommend it. But if Martha or Smokey or someone major had in fact popped in, I might have been so floored by it that I wouldn't be able yet to write about it! So maybe it was all for the best that they didn't!

motony
09-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Martha was in the UK last month or the first couple weeks of Sept. Glad you enjoyed it anyway. I have not been to Detroit since early 90's.

reese
09-27-2012, 01:52 PM
It sounds like you a nice time. I visited the Museum twice back in the 90s. The first time it seemed real homey [[in a nice way). The second time it seemed more formal, more museum-like. But each visit was a great experience for me.

Re the inner sleeve t-shirt you mentioned, are you referring to the dark blue inner sleeve that was included in albums circa 1971 /1972? The only reason I can't think of for the Marvelettes not being included is because by then they had already disbanded, their last album being released in 1970. Of course that doesn't mean their name couldn't have been added to the shirt. But if the shirt is a direct reproduction of the inner sleeve, that is most likely the reason why they weren't listed. I think some of the other artists you mentioned were still with the company when that sleeve was first used.

ivyfield
09-27-2012, 04:57 PM
I'm glad I visited the museum even though it was a bitter-sweet experience. The young tour guide wasn't very well informed. His knowledge of the Supremes didn't go past Ross' tenure with the group. Just walking through the door and stepping into the snake pit was enough for me to be honest. I'd rather a tour guide say 'Er... I don't know' than give me a fudged answer. When I went Iris Gordy was still very much in control and she was actually there that day. There was a TV crew shooting a news segment and when they tried to take over the place Iris stepped in and said 'These people have paid for a tour - they take priority...' which impressed me. A couple of years ago I saw pictures and video of how the studio looked [[in a completely abandoned state) on the web prior to the museum opening. Very sad. Made me realise that much of the stuff contained in the building had been bought in. Much of it wasn't truly authentic but that said, I still got goosebumps. The place is truly magical and it was so fulfilling to actually be at the heart of the music that has and still plays an important part in my life. Steve Weaver.

R. Mark Desjardins
09-27-2012, 11:46 PM
Thank you for sharing these impressions of the Motown Studio. My dream is to go visit one day too, and I'm sure I will feel goose bumps as I hear the echos of all the wonderful magical times reflected within those hallowed walls!

Bokiluis
09-28-2012, 07:42 AM
Glad you enjoyed your visit to the museum as well. I had the privilege of visiting the museum several times in the late 80s and 90s. Considering that as a child of 11, I thought often of running away to just be at W. Grand Blvd., it was a dream come true of sorts. The first time in the late 80s was actually a little shocking and disappointing. I am not sure what I had expected, but, it was a lot humbler than I had imagined. Through the years, I thought that they good have done a better job curating the museum. It was whispered that Ms. Esther Edwards was somehow to blame for not being opened to more inventive ideas of marketing and presentation. I did get to meet Ms. Edwards on one visit and she was wonderful and gracious. I now marvel at the magic that was created in those rather humble dwellings. Studio A & B were particularly worth pondering. While I like the idea of preserving the actual bldgs., I think they should just be an important aside to a more elegant looking museum. Through the years, I have heard of huge million dollar donations being made to upgrade the museum, but, it never seems to happen. I think many of us have a lot of important memorabilia that we could contribute to further enrich the museum. However, they seem I'll-prepared to receive such items and collections. At the end of the day, it remains a very fond part of many of our lives. May it live on into perpetuity!

carlo
09-28-2012, 10:54 AM
Glad you had a great time! I went for the second time this summer and we were fortunate enough to have Martha Reeves join our tour group. She sang "No One There" in the echo chamber, which was surreal, to say the least!

thommg
09-28-2012, 11:29 AM
I visited the Motown Museum for the first time just a few months ago. The prime part of the tour is the Snakepit. I almost cried when I walked in there and looked up to the booth. So many songs that live in my soul were recorded there, and the way my excellent tour guide described the setup , I felt like I had gone back in time.

I was quite surprised, though, at the upstairs presentation. Very little representation of many major Motown groups and far too much Michael Jackson and Marvin Gaye. Why have multiple costumes from Marvin and none of the Supremes when the Supremes were known for their wardrobe? Perhaps the exhibits will change but currently they were just mediocre [[That said, the wall telling the story of the beginning of Motown was wonderful).

gary
09-28-2012, 10:02 PM
I have mixed emotions about the Motown Museum. I bought my first Motown 45 as a kid in 1963 and I've been a Motown addict ever since. The first time I set foot in Hitsville was long before it was ever designated as a "museum". I just knocked on the door one day and Mrs. Holland [[RIP) let me in and personally took me through the place. She was very kind and since she had been a Motown employee since Day One [[or thereabouts), she gave me all kinds of personal insights about the company and the artists that no one else could possibly know. At that time, the building hadn't changed very much since Motown vacated the property. Stepping into the Snakepit for the first time was a truly moving experience for me.

I've been there many times since then and I'm glad somebody eventually recognized the significance of 2648 W. Grand Blvd. and got the place organized so that Motown fans can have a place to appreciate the magic that was created in that nondescript little duplex. But, I think it has become almost TOO commercial and "touristy" and unfortunately, there are no more Doris Holland's left to add that personal touch for the visitors. Still, it's one of those music shrines that will always be a destination for true Motown fans from all over the world, so I guess it's all good. Just MHO.

Glad you enjoyed your visit to Detroit, daviddesper!

dickiemint
09-29-2012, 04:42 PM
I have only visited once, 5 yrs ago, and I really found it a special experince, I think that it mean more to real motown fans, but i felt that the tour guide although very personable and enthusiastic didn't know the marvelettes from the velvelettes, I was disapointed with the gift shop, there was a better Motown shop in the airport, and the one thing that struck me when I arrived at immagration in the Airport, I was asked if my trip was business or pleasure, and I said i was there on pleasure, I was asked what you gonna see in Detroit, so I said the Motown studio, he looked at me as if I had lost my marbles !

StuBass1
09-30-2012, 01:30 AM
Sounds like an overall terrific experience most of you guys had when visiting the museum. Like many of you, I had the opportunity last month on a trip to Detroit to visit my old friend, Allen Rawls, Board Member and current CEO of the museum, who along with Berrys great neice Monica, and Lamont Doziers daughter [[who videotaped our entire visit), hosted my brother Bruce and I on a tour. A regular tour group was behind us, and they all appeared to be thouroughly enjoying the tour. They were black and white people, young and old people...and all were having a great time. As we were leaving, a close relative of Leon Ware walked up to the porch and he was a real nice gentleman we exchanged greeting with, and went on our way. Obviously, due to the problems Detroit is currently facing...other than the casinos, not much to attract people to the deteriorating city as some folks see it. The museum is a bright light reflecting the once proud history of the city of Detroit, and many travel websites recognize that and recommend the museum as a recommended tour stop when visiting the city. I hope they continue to grow and prosper.

gordy_hunk
09-30-2012, 05:56 AM
I'm pleased you enjoyed your trip to Detroit / Motown museum David, as a Motown enthusiast, it's almost essential to make the trip at least once.

I visited the museum well over 20 years ago [[I remember Martina Navratilova winning Wimbledon at the time), when there were no "tours" and I just walked in, and looked around. No one showed me around, and so, I was able to do what I liked, for as long as I liked, which included playing on the piano.

At that time, the museum perhaps was in its infancy, and very little idea just how important the museum was to become. The "shop" sold very little at that time, and I realised that if they really developed that well, it could be a huge money spinner. I know they were selling some vinyl at the time - no CD at all. I'm sure if Hip-o products were available, that would be useful too.

I'm sure that with the organised tours, it gives the opportunity for the museum to be very firmly on the map for tourists visiting Detroit.

Next time I visit Detroit, it will be good to see how the museum has moved forward.