PDA

View Full Version : When Earl Van Dyke met James Jamerson


test

jsmith
03-04-2012, 06:43 AM
Music folklore tells us that Earl Van Dyke [[while touring with Lloyd Price) met fellow Detroiter James Jamerson [[who was backing Jackie Wilson) in Rockville, NY, in 1959. Jamerson struck up a friendship and recommended that EVD return home to Detroit to start working in the recording studio at Motown. EVD eventually took his advice & by 1962 was a member of Motown's studio band.

However, that tale can't be 100% right as it was Earl [[as a member of the Chris Columbo Quintet) that was playing in support of Jackie Wilson; not Jamerson.
'Crazy' Chris Columbo [[aka Joseph Morris) was the famous jazz drummer who for many years led the house band at famed Atlantic City nightery, the Club Harlem. In the mid 50's he was the drummer with Bill Doggett's group [[he also held the same position for a spell with Louis Jordan's Tympany Five). By 1957, Chris had signed his own recording deal with King Records and this resulted in the 45 "Oh Yeah" [[credited to Chris Columbo & the Swinging Gentlemen) being released in February 1957. At the time of that recording [[early 57?), Columbo's group consisted of himself on drums plus Gil Askey [[trumpet), Johnny Smith [[organ), Jimmy Tyler [[tenor) & Floyd Smith [[guitar).
In 1956, jazz guitarist Emmett Sleigh had hired Earl Van Dyke to play in his band, Emmett Sleigh and the Sleighriders. When organist Johnny 'Hammond' Smith quit Chris Columbo's band, Earl was hired to replace him [[sometime around 1958 I'd guess).
It's documented by Gil Askey in 'The Jackie Wilson Story' book, that Chris Columbo's group were touring behind Jackie in the late 1950's [[1958 to 1960) and Earl was part of the set up for some of that time. A big show staged at Carrs Beach starring Lloyd Price & Jackie took place in September 1960 [[see ad). Askey says that although Lloyd Price's band numbered 14 guys in all and Jackie's band was only 5 strong, Jackie put on such an intense show that Lloyd's performance didn't even come close with regard to crowd reaction.

So who was Jamerson backing up when he met up with EVD. He must have been in Lloyd Price's band at that time ......... unless its documented elsewhere who Jamerson was touring with in the period around 1959 / 1960.

After Gil Askey & EVD had left his group, Columbo remained a force on the music scene, touring when he wasn't leading the house band back at the Club Harlem and cutting further records -- "You Can't Sit Down" for Battle in November 62, "Minerology" for Philly based Casino Records plus NY's Strand Records in 1963 [[and I'd guess "Tighten Up 70" as Chris Columbus & the Swinging Gaites in 1970).
BTW, Chris Columbo was a member of Louis Jordan's Tympany Five when they made an appearance on 'The Beat' TV show in 1966 and can be seen on youtube clips from that show [[they performed 4 tunes, one of which was a cover of Bill Doggett's 1957 hit "Ram-Bunk-Shush").
4566

bankhousedave
03-04-2012, 08:07 AM
In 62, the year Earl purportedly joined Motown, he also played behind Fred Jackson on his Bluenote album. I haven't been able to find any evidence that he played behind any other of the Bluenote alumni, which would seem to suggest he would have been part of Fred's live ensemble. This would have been immediately before joining Motown. In the SITSOM extras Papa Joe says he knew Earl in the army before he turned up at Motown. And there are a lot of stories of Jamerson playing with everybody and anybody around Detroit before Earl's quartet became a regular entity.

I only read the suggestion that Jamerson told Earl to come to Motown in All Music Guide. Do you know the source of that JS?

marv2
03-04-2012, 10:29 AM
That is a great story JSmith. Rockville Centre is here on Long Island. Thanks for share the story and that ad.

jsmith
03-04-2012, 12:38 PM
. . . The usual haunt for Chris Columbo & his Swinging G's .........
4567

jsmith
03-05-2012, 01:31 PM
Chris Columbo also used Christopher & Chris Columbus as alternative stage names during parts of his long music career. There was a Miami based singer who also used Chris Columbo as his stage / recording name [[he cut a 45 for NY based Double AA Records in 1955 + other novelty songs around the same era). Also, a big New Jersey mob figure went by the name of Chris Columbo, so I guess it wasn't too bad an idea to have an alternative name at times.
Anyway, in an earlier period, when he led the house band at the Club Harlem, they went by the name of Christopher Columbus & his SWING Crew. Later his band went by the name of the SWINGING Gentleman, so I guess I am correct in assuming that the 45 "Tighten Up 70" credited to Chris Columbus & the SWINGING Gaites is also by him & his band.
4573
Chris playing in the Tympany Five on 'the Beat' TV show in 1966 ....
.............. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v8HqcyCsDU

jsmith
03-06-2012, 08:04 PM
Nobody here know who Jamerson was touring behind in 1959 & 1960 then ?

Roger Polhill
03-06-2012, 09:14 PM
Would it be Little Sonny and J.J.Barnes.

jsmith
03-07-2012, 06:15 AM
I don't think it would have been J. J. Barnes ....
.... it would be a few years later till he made it all the way across to tour down the east coast venues .....
4584

jsmith
04-05-2012, 06:28 AM
EVD was with Chris Columbo's group from 1958/59 to around 1962 when he split to work for Motown.
Here's Chris Columbo's 1962 track [[on Battle) "You Can't Sit Down".
Does this sound like EVD on the hammond to you [[it does to me) ??
.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsapGYmO-GU

bankhousedave
04-05-2012, 09:38 AM
I think so, JS. He's playing footpedal bass too. The giveaway is the the sustained note with gradually added harmonies toward the end of the track.

jsmith
04-05-2012, 03:05 PM
Cheers, Dave. It did sound like EVD on keys to me .... but I'm just a fan, I'm no music expert like wotu-r.