The Motown Sound: The Complete Albums, Singles & More

[pj1]

From today's MusicTap:

On February 7, Hip-O Select will release The Motown Sound:The Complete Albums, Singles & More featuring music from Earl Van Dyke.

It's been a long wait since first announced, but I'm sure it will be well worth it. Thanks Harry & Team!

[soulster]

More information?

[hwume]

I'm glad MusicTap and its followers are keen on getting more info on this one but it's way too early to start posting track lists etc. We're not in design or final mastering stages yet - but the set promises to be a good one!

[alanh]

Wonderful news! Something I've been waiting for for years. I've always wondered why it has it taken so long to reissue these revered recordings.

[mr_postman]

Fantastic news! I've learned that an Earl van Dyke box set was announced many years back, but never materialised. I'm glad the project wasn't abandoned altogether. I'm very much looking forward to this set.

[RossHolloway]

This should be an interesting release. Can't wait for more details.

[Roger Polhill]

Wonderful news pj1. I hope it will include the James Jamerson tracks - I`m fizzing at the bung.

[kenneth]

Wonderful news pj1. I hope it will include the James Jamerson tracks - I`m fizzing at the bung.

Can't wait to hear this. We have enjoyed a lot of great releases this year.

Two questions, however. Did Van Dyke have more than one album? I know the "Motown Sound" and I think there might have been a later one, but I don't recall if it was actually released or not.

Next question. Is "fizzing at the bung" the same thing as "frothing at the mouth?"

Inquiring minds...

[reese]

Earl had a later album called [[I believe) THE EARL OF FUNK.

[Roger Polhill]

It means I`m really pleased Kenneth. It`s the bass work of James Jamerson that makes Motown so interesting for me.I find his playing more rewarding than the vocals.

[hwume]

OK, OK... the basic outline is:

- That Motown Sound [[LP, stereo, no room to do mono & stereo)
- Earl of Funk [[LP, stereo, sounds fake live but is truly live-in-Detroit with added applause)
- Several non-LP singles
- Live track from Motortown revue In Paris
- "... & More" !

[kenneth]

OK, OK... the basic outline is:

- That Motown Sound [[LP, stereo, no room to do mono & stereo)
- Earl of Funk [[LP, stereo, sounds fake live but is truly live-in-Detroit with added applause)
- Several non-LP singles
- Live track from Motortown revue In Paris
- "... & More" !

I too am fizzing at the bung!

[RossHolloway]

OK, OK... the basic outline is:

- That Motown Sound [[LP, stereo, no room to do mono & stereo)
- Earl of Funk [[LP, stereo, sounds fake live but is truly live-in-Detroit with added applause)
- Several non-LP singles
- Live track from Motortown revue In Paris
- "... & More" !

Harry is this going to be single disc or two disc collection? It doesn't sound like there are any unreleased material when I bet there is a ton..not to mention live material.

[hwume]

Two discs. Before I even looked at adding material it had be two, since That Motown Sound is 34 minutes and Earl Of Funk is a whopping 54 minutes. [[I pity the engineer who had to create the original vinyl cutting master). That still leaves close to 70 minutes of extras; i.e., non-LP singles **"& More."** [[Ahem.)

[cheekylincs]

Intrigued to know more about the 'and more' on this. Are we giving away any spoilers!!

[rovereab]

This sounds very interesting :-)

[RossHolloway]

Two discs. Before I even looked at adding material it had be two, since That Motown Sound is 34 minutes and Earl Of Funk is a whopping 54 minutes. [[I pity the engineer who had to create the original vinyl cutting master). That still leaves close to 70 minutes of extras; i.e., non-LP singles **"& More."** [[Ahem.)

Excellent. This should be great. Does anyone know off hand how many non-LP singles there are?

[Roger Polhill]

Nine if you count "The Flick parts 1 & 2" as two. There are at least two more James Jamerson solos so there must be enough for a third disc. I`m a dreamer.

Good on you Kenneth!

[RossHolloway]

Nine if you count "The Flick parts 1 & 2" as two. There are at least two more James Jamerson solos so there must be enough for a third disc. I`m a dreamer.

Good on you Kenneth!


Do you know what they all are?

[Roger Polhill]

"Soul Stomp" / "Hot`N Tot" S.35006, "I Can`t Help Myself" S. 35014, "The Flick Parts 1 & 2" S. 35018, "6 By 6" / "There Is No Greater Love" S. 35028 and "Run Away Child, Runnin` Wild" S. 35059.

[jboy88]

OK, OK... the basic outline is:

- That Motown Sound [[LP, stereo, no room to do mono & stereo)
- Earl of Funk [[LP, stereo, sounds fake live but is truly live-in-Detroit with added applause)
- Several non-LP singles
- Live track from Motortown revue In Paris
- "... & More" !

So I guess this won't include the stuff they did as the "Twistin' Kings" right? Oh well, sill looking forward to "Earl of Funk" though!

[Roger Polhill]

Hopefully not jboy it`s not their best work.

[KegtapperII]

Roger you forgot.

Soul 35009 All For You/Too Many Fish In The Sea

Sounds like a nice mellow compilation...

[tomato tom]

Saving my pennies....Paulo xxx

[Roger Polhill]

They are on "That Motown Sound" Kegtapper.

[hwume]

No Twistin' Kings, I can tell you that. The set encompasses the recordings when Earl Van Dyke was the Motown band leader.

There are a few quality recordings of the Joe Hunter-led band that were not recorded under the Twistin' Kings banner - that would be whole 'nother collection.

Much as I'd like to, can't really go into more detail about the forthcoming 2-CD EVD set until I am further along with production. But I'm loving it - and y'all will too.

[Roger Polhill]

Maybe with a studio version of "Heartbreak" ?

[justanothermotownfan]

I hope there's an unedited studio jam of The Flick [[my absolute favorite)

[Roger Polhill]

According to "The Complete Motown Singles Vol. 5" there are 3 studio versions.One unreleased version has "slangy asides". This may be what you want Fan."The Earl Of Funk version is live.

[mysterysinger]

Actually, I prefer the version of "All For You" that was issued on the stereo album so that is good news. Looks like it will be well worth having.

[762rob]

That Motown Sound, one of my favorite LPs from the 64-65 era. I was lucky enough to find a sealed 7" reel to reel copy of this.
HW - would love to have the Chocker Campbell big band album too sometime. HITS OF THE 60's. It was released around the same time.
Great that EARL OF FUNK is getting the Hip-O nod.

[RossHolloway]

Just re-read that EVD overdubbed a version of Sammy Ward's Breadwinner that hasn't been released. Hopefully this gets included in this collection too.

[Roger Polhill]

Rob, the Choker Campbell "Hits Of The Sixties" is available along with "That Motown Sound" and EVD singles etc. on a Marginal release.

[Roger Polhill]

Harry, as "That Motown Sound" will only be a two cd. set, I respectfully request that you omit the tracks from "The Complete Motown Singles", "Best of The Funk Brothers" and "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown". This would leave more room for other goodies and hopefully increase sales for the aforementioned.
Regards Roger.

[762rob]

Oh yes thanks, I have that [[shhh) Marginal release, but would love an official UME one!

[Roger Polhill]

Rob, there is an album "Shades Of Blue" plus three others by Choker Campbell sitting in the vaults that I read some time ago.So we can live in hope.

[762rob]

Wow that is the first time I had heard of that. Till then I will dig out that Marginal CD, I forgot I had that one. I am not sure there is much interest in the big band stuff. They never have done anything with Workshop Jazz either, short of the singles included on the yearly singles sets. Some collectors have sent me Lp burns of a lot of the Workshop Albums, and a few were issued in Spain, probably Lp transfers.

[762rob]

Listened to the marginal CD yesterday, gawd, the sound was awful. Glad I have the Stereo vinyl copies. Will be good to have decent masters of Earl Van Dyke anyway.

[johnny_raven]

http://www.amazon.com/Motown-Sound-Complete-Albums-Singles/dp/B006OAB36U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325538121&sr=8-1

[booty]

MTV has the track listing up now.

http://www.mtv.com/music/artist/vandyke_earl/albums.jhtml?albumId=2803435

[kenneth]

This looks like a great release from the track list! Wow, "The Flick" Parts 1, 2, 3 and 4. And here I thought only James Brown had a 4-part single in "Make it Funky." Can't wait to get this one.

It looks like two tracks from "Best of the Funk Brothers: 20th Century Masters" were omitted, "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" and "What's Going On." I'm guessing that is because the instrumental tracks are actually credited to the Temptations and to Marvin Gaye, respectively, and because those tracks are available in other packages. At least on Amazon, they show as being credited to the individual artists as opposed to the rest of the tracks on "Masters" which are all credited to Earl Van Dyke.

I remember the instrumental version of "Papa," and think maybe it was even the B-side of the single. Not sure I remember the instrumental of "What's Going On," though I'm sure it's been released on one of the deluxe packages of Gaye's album since then.

Does anyone know, am I correct that these tracks are just the instrumental versions of the songs which were on the Temptations and Marvin Gaye's original LPs?

[RossHolloway]

The set doesn't include Breadwinner. It's listed in TCMS Volume 4 as being done.

[Roger Polhill]

Great news thank you booty.A fairly predictable line up with some very mouth watering unreleased material including the other James Jamerson solos. I can`t wait for February. There are bound to be some who are a little disappointed, Ross it be on the next "Cellarful".

[justanothermotownfan]

Very, very excited!! Can't wait!

[Roger Polhill]

Amazon now have this scheduled for release on 13th. March. Hip-O have yet to feature it.

[berry101]

Price drop @ Amazon.co.uk to 12.89 pounds
Just got an update when I logged in - also item in my basket has been reduced to reflect new price

[bankhousedave]

My bung has fizzed over.

[hwume]

A brief update:

As most of you know, the original announced - well, leaked - release date has moved. I will have a firm release date in the coming week when the final approved master is delivered.

The set's title has been altered slightly - the word "...Singles" is deleted, so the final title is now 'Earl Van Dyke / The Motown Sound: The Complete Albums & More.' Had to do that, as technically the collection will not include absolutely every single - there will be no single version of "The Flick," long or short; we are instead including a supremely worthy alternate take. [[Discographers, please note: we discovered that the single version, while noted in TCMS V5 as "the final version" recorded, is actually Take 1A - Take 1, plus overdubbed studio ambience and chatter - in reality the first version recorded.)

The alternate featured in the new collection is a re-cut, shown on the session sheet as Take 3. It is an extraordinary jam - deeply funky, much more relaxed and together than the "straight" version that became the single.

Yours in Motown,
HW

[Roger Polhill]

Thanks Harry for that wonderful news it`s got me fizzing at the bung again.

[hwume]

This project will be late March, and whether the official release date is March 20th or 27th will be certain in a few days.

Whitney RIP

[theboyfromxtown]

I used to get a kick out of seeing the pictures on the front of that album "That Motown Sound". With the benefit of hindsight, it would have been nice if the pictures had shown the musicians themselves. I guess, like those that were there, who would have thought anyone would still be interested in this music some 50 years later.

[snakepit]

From Amazon today

Hello,

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and we need to provide you with a new estimated delivery date based on the new release
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Earl Van Dyke "The Complete Albums, Singles & More"
Estimated arrival date: March 29 2012 - March 31 2012

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Xtown.....who was on the tambourine on that cover?.....Wm Stevenson was my guess

[theboyfromxtown]

Snakepit.

I would expect Mickey to be telling others what to do and not actually doing it! LOL

However, it does make you wonder what would be contained in the Hitsville USA album production file.

[Roger Polhill]

It looks like Mickey Stevenson to me.

[booty]

Just found this small shot of the artwork ...

http://www.deepdiscount.com/cd/van-dykeearl-motown-sound-complete-albums-singles-more/

[pj1]

The cover photo looks very much in line with the recent Ace/Kent Motown releases- even though it is coming via the U.S. and not Great Britain. Quite a nice touch!
Wouldn't it also be nice if the earlier U.K. 2 cd anthologies from 2003-2005 [[excellent as they are) could be reworked to incorporate this cover design concept , and the booklet essay and notations were re-typed with larger and more legible font? [[ I realize that it would mean that several photos used therein could not be included, but it would be quite lovely to have larger versions of the rarer ones.) Incorporate [[or mix to) stereo versions of the previously unreleased tracks to keep it interesting and worthwhile for all who bought the earlier sets. I'd save up for/spring for them ... would others?
The five in question are Jimmy Ruffin, Billy Eckstine, Velvelettes, Chris Clark, and Brenda Holloway.

[motownjohnny]

Sounds like a major project pj1 especially if you also include the other U.K. 2 cd anthologies from The Elgins, Chuck Jackson, Bobby Taylor, Barbara McNair and Kim Weston and the single CD collections from Tommy Good, Barrett Strong and Mable John.

[762rob]

Sounds like a major project pj1 especially if you also include the other U.K. 2 cd anthologies from The Elgins, Chuck Jackson, Bobby Taylor, Barbara McNair and Kim Weston and the single CD collections from Tommy Good, Barrett Strong and Mable John.

It sure was hard to read the liner notes in some of these releases, even with a magnifying glass. The Brenda Holloway went out of print very quickly, anyone know why? It is being offered for hundreds now.

I also love the artwork from That Motown Sound with the photo collage of Hitsville. Found an AMPEX sealed reel to reel tape copy of it about 10 years ago, never seen another one.

[pj1]

Sounds like a major project pj1 especially if you also include the other U.K. 2 cd anthologies from The Elgins, Chuck Jackson, Bobby Taylor, Barbara McNair and Kim Weston and the single CD collections from Tommy Good, Barrett Strong and Mable John.

I forgot about Barbara Mcnair. But the other 2 cd anthologies you mention have a cover photo like unto th Earl Van Dyke [[no co-ordinating color squares). And the print is much improved and more easily read in those. I would see less need to re-do those, unless it were in order to replace the mono with stereo versions.

[kenneth]

I agree, the fonts on those anthologies was hard to read. I didn't think those were produced by Ace, weren't they done by Universal? Anyway, I can't imagine the anthologies would be reissued considering the narrow market these likely have. In any case, 'd rather see more new releases and I'll use the magnifying glass to read the booklets on the earlier ones!

[psychedelic jacques]

price now down to £10.99 with Amazon UK - order placed.

[booty]

£8.99 including postage at HMV.com

[theboyfromxtown]

Booty...you sure have a head for finding the bargains. Thanks to you I got the Marvelettes for £20.06! I learnt pretty quickly!! So I have re-ordered EVD with HMV. Thank you.

BTW, Shorty Long is £10.99 on HMV as it is on Amazon at present.

[hwume]

Release date is March 20, 2012, with a pre-order page at www.hip-oselect.com coming soon. Working on that text now.

[Roger Polhill]

I`m really fizzing now.

[robbert]

I'll ask my Easter bunny to buy me one...

[Roger Polhill]

This has finally been advertised on Hip-O`s website.

[justanothermotownfan]

Ordered! Can't wait...

[hwume]

http://www.hip-oselect.com/scr.public.product.asp?product_id=5F89D273-45B0-4771-92D2-42EEFCF032BE

The heading still has the old title but the info on the page is current.

[booty]

The original release of "That Motown Sound" in Holland was credited to Earl Van Dyke And The Brotherhood!

[booty]

Earl Van Dyke And The Brotherhood artwork.

4489

[theboyfromxtown]

That's odd. Why would that be? That sleeve cover has lots of variations from the US release. Was it released in stereo in Holland? The UK only had the mono release on TML 11014.

Robbert might know why.

[booty]

Issued in Stereo. You can check out this release at Discogs. Has shots of front and rear sleeves plus label shots as well.

http://www.discogs.com/Earl-Van-Dyke-And-The-Brotherhood-That-Motown-Sound-Strictly-Instrumental/release/3351748

[nabob]

The Discogs information lists the release date as 1965. That is valid for the original US release, but the rear cover has at least two 1970 albums. When would the "Brotherhood" have been released in Holland?

[theboyfromxtown]

I was just about to post the same as Nabob. The rear cover also misses out the liner notes. Albums containing Jean Terrell, Sammy Davis and a solo Diana Ross had not been released in 1965.

[booty]

I don't have many of the European releases but this title's catalogue number fits between the following releases [[there may be more in between):

The Best Of Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
The Best Of Stevie Wonder
Earl Van Dyke & The Soul Brotherhood
Power Of Zeus – The Gospel According To Zeus
The Jazz Crusaders – Old Socks New Shoes New Socks Old Shoes

Definitely an early Seventies release!

[theboyfromxtown]

The Dutch releases often used pictures that were relatively unknown elsewhere. I'm sure Robbert will have something to contribute on that discussion.

[144man]

I've just ordered my copy from HMV. Strangely enough the site has an Elvis Costello cover pictured. I hope I get the right CD!

[mysterysinger]

Earl Van Dyke £8.99 on Amazon UK and Shorty Long £10.99

[theboyfromxtown]

When I cancelled my original Amazon order, I noted that the reason for cancellation was cos I found it cheaper on HMV. It makes me think that Amazon is just not a computer but someone who actually reads their mail!

[lakedistrictlad1]

Xtown, I've done the same thing on more than one occasion. [[cancelling Amazon order and going with HMV) I think Amazon must get sick of seeing these cancellations. They should learn from it and go with the lower price in the first place!

[theboyfromxtown]

Never one to miss a bargain, are you dear!! It was you that brought it to my attention that stuff was priced differently.......and I still look at thehut! LOL

I always check out Booty......he's on the ball !!

[alanh]

HMV is quite often the cheapest. Actually I made a sort of New Year's Resolution to buy from HMV whenever possible to help support the chain. Buying online isn't quite the same as buying in store, but I think it's vital to support the chain survive in any way possible. Amazon is easy to use and a great site, but where would we be without our only surviving record shop chain in the UK. Sometimes HMV is a little slow in shipping, but as long as there isn't a major price difference I'm going with HMV first. And, back on topic[[!), who can complain about £8.99 for the Earl Van Dyke release?!

[144man]

I have a sentimental attachment to HMV.

In the 60s a classmate and I would play truant from school once a month instead of playing football. We'd go to HMV in Oxford Street where an assistant called Mr Shakespeare would play us all the latest soul and Motown releases, not caring that we didn't have any money to buy anything.

[TMSG]

Thanks for that, just cancelled with Play.com [[£10.99) and reordered with HMV [[£8.99). Every little bit help !!

[robbert]

Sorry guys, I'm not here every other day, or week even.
I will come back on the Earl Van Dyke Dutch cover. Be patient!

[edafan]

I ordered mine today.
Very Very few items are worth the money.

This one is


edafan

[theboyfromxtown]

I have a sentimental attachment to HMV.

In the 60s a classmate and I would play truant from school once a month instead of playing football. We'd go to HMV in Oxford Street where an assistant called Mr Shakespeare would play us all the latest soul and Motown releases, not caring that we didn't have any money to buy anything.

Would that be the old HMV store near Bond Street?

[144man]

Would that be the old HMV store near Bond Street?

I think so, because after HMV we'd go round the corner to listen to more records in Keith Prowse.

[theboyfromxtown]

Would that be in South Moulton Street?

[144man]

Yes, that's the one. The programme was HMV, Keith Prowse, a quick lunch in BHS, Transatlantic Records in the early days, Charing Cross Road to buy Billboard [[or to read as much as we could before we got chased away when the price went up in one go from 4/- to 8/-) and a stall in Little Newport Street which sometimes had Motown imported LPs such as Brenda Holloway's "Every Little Bit Hurts".

[Kamasu_Jr]

It sure was hard to read the liner notes in some of these releases, even with a magnifying glass. The Brenda Holloway went out of print very quickly, anyone know why? It is being offered for hundreds now.

I also love the artwork from That Motown Sound with the photo collage of Hitsville. Found an AMPEX sealed reel to reel tape copy of it about 10 years ago, never seen another one.

The Liner notes in the Earl Van Dyke set were much easier to read provided you sit in very bright light.

[kenneth]

I mentioned this in the Midnight Johnny thread but thought I'd mention it here as well. Did anyone else notice the repro of the handbill in the notes, showing Marvin Gaye as the headliner, with support act "Tammy Montgomery", the future Tammi Terrell. Ironic they appeared on the same act a few years before being paired together.

[bankhousedave]

Was that in the basement of Dobell's, 144? I bought my one and only copy of Billboard there for 8 shillings. I also bought I Feel Love Coming On by Felice Taylor, leaving me just 7d for a Mars Bar to sustain me on the long hitch back to Paignton.

[144man]

Billboard was displayed in a rack outside a newsagent near Leicester Square tube. We didn't go to Dobell's that often as it was mainly was mainly jazz, Transatlantic blues though they had the odd Tamla release. It's a long time ago and I can't remember the exact location. I went to a club called "Tiles" in Oxford Street a couple of times to see Edwin Starr and Ike & Tina Turner and I can't even remember exactly where that was.

I didn't discover Cheapo Cheapo in Berwick Street until I left school. It was great for cut-outs. I got the Valadiers' Greetings there.

[edafan]

I got mine today

it is great edafan

[Motown Eddie]

I mentioned this in the Midnight Johnny thread but thought I'd mention it here as well. Did anyone else notice the repro of the handbill in the notes, showing Marvin Gaye as the headliner, with support act "Tammy Montgomery", the future Tammi Terrell. Ironic they appeared on the same act a few years before being paired together.

I noticed the photo of the vintage handbill from the 20 Grand featuring Marvin Gaye on the new Earl Van Dyke collection. And yes, it's very interesting that Tammy Montgomery was also on the bill [[years before teaming up as Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell). And note that The Majestics [[soon to be re-named The Monitors) were also scheduled to appear. It's the little things like this that make collecting music so much fun.

[RossHolloway]

This is an awesome collection and I haven't even gotten to the second disc yet. I've listened to the first cd three times in the past two days. There are some really greats songs in this set.

[booty]

Amazon.co.uk are now showing this title as "Despatching Soon". Looks like this will be with me on the day of release [[Monday).

[Sacramento John]

Itunes [[US) now has this set available!. You can preview all the tracks in Itunes....they are amazing! Can't wait to get my CD's!!!!!

[144man]

HMV haven't received this from their supplier yet, so I won't get my copy by release date.

[motown_david]

I received my copy this morning from HMV. I've surprised myself by loving the CDs so much, as I have often found it difficult to connect emotionally with instrumental tracks but Earl is on top form here and I'm connecting instantly.

[144man]

I received my copy this morning from HMV. I've surprised myself by loving the CDs so much, as I have often found it difficult to connect emotionally with instrumental tracks but Earl is on top form here and I'm connecting instantly.

My order still says awaiting issues from supplier. I ordered mine on 26 Feb, when did you order yours? Are you in UK?

[motown_david]

Yes, I'm in the UK and I ordered my copy on 23rd February. I think that sometimes it's just down to the luck of the darw.

[kenneth]

It really is an awesome release, especially the rare and non-LP tracks. "The Flick" Parts 1, 2, 3 and 4 is a 12 minute opus! I wish they had recorded whole albums like this.

The "That Motown Sound" LP is great for Van Dyke's organ which is absolutely pulsating on top of the backing tracks but the mixes do have a pasted together quality which I think detracts from his brilliant work on the keyboard.

[144man]

Yes, I'm in the UK and I ordered my copy on 23rd February. I think that sometimes it's just down to the luck of the darw.

Thanks. Maybe it's first-come first-served. Hopefully I won't have to wait too long.

[booty]

My copy is on its way from Amazon Uk together with the Shorty Long set. Should be with me tomorrow ... can't wait!

[roger]

Just ordered mine from Amazon.co.uk, together with the SHORTY LONG release, and it should be here by next weekend :)

Roger

[Kamasu_Jr]

It really is an awesome release, especially the rare and non-LP tracks. "The Flick" Parts 1, 2, 3 and 4 is a 12 minute opus! I wish they had recorded whole albums like this.

The "That Motown Sound" LP is great for Van Dyke's organ which is absolutely pulsating on top of the backing tracks but the mixes do have a pasted together quality which I think detracts from his brilliant work on the keyboard.

I wish the Andantes had been featured on more of Earl Van Dyke's pop/soul tracks. And my ears tell me that Earl was not the only musician dubbed onto some of the early tracks on Tht Motown Sound. I hear different guitar and percussion parts. Was this done by Jack Ashford, Robert White, Joe Messina and Eddie Willis?? And Van Dyke's version of Come See About Me sounds very similar to the Supremes' Johnny & Joe.

[mysterysinger]

Mine has also arrived today, ordered from Amazon! Buzzing at the fing!

[Roger Polhill]

Got mine yesterday- absolutely brilliant especially the unreleased tracks.I`m disappointed that it takes forever to import tracks 24 & 25 and then they are distorted.I like to put unreleased tracks onto a separate disc and so I`m very frustrated. Same with the Marvelettes. Is peculiar only to Universal cds.

[Kamasu_Jr]

Anyone notice the skip in Mobile Lil?

[RossHolloway]

Mine doesn't skip

[Roger Polhill]

Mine doesn`t either. Is that Bob Babbitt on "Runaway Child..". Just love the new material.

[Kamasu_Jr]

Mine doesn't skip

Mine doesn't either. I checked it again. I guess it was a key change.

[booty]

Copy arrived last night. So far only read the in-depth liner notes - Just love the the final paragraph on the last page ... "Also available by The Funk Brothers: Just about every song recorded at Hitsville U.S.A. 1959-1972".
Sums up their contribution to the legacy that is Motown perfectly!

[theboyfromxtown]

I got my copy today from HMV. At last!

[RossHolloway]

I got my copy today from HMV. At last!

After you give it a listen or two, share with us what you think.

[theboyfromxtown]

I'm taking the cellophane off now!! *smile*

[theboyfromxtown]

Played side 1..so Ross Holloway - you asked me to share what I thought.

I'm used to the mono version of his first album but I like the stereo version better because you can hear more what is going on. The non album tracks are in mono. Hmmmmmm! Us Brits can get a stereo "I Can't Help Myself" on the album "STML 11200" but its one of the tracks that is merged with another track so it misses a bit of the intro...and it doesn't have that piano intro.

I love the pearls of wisdom found in the detail.....so I found it interesting that "Money" was assigned to the Vandellas, "Soul Stomp" to the Contours and I note that Tony Lawton was part of "Earl Van Dyke et son sextet" and they get a name check too...so no disputing who was there! [[see also the main forum). I also see "You Name It" was part of a live performance at the 20 Grand featuring the Temptations and Brenda Holloway...so I am assuming if we have EVD's performance, there might be some more from that concert for the future...bring it on Mr W.

I love "Mobile Lil" and also getting into Shorty Long's version on his ACE collection. Have never been a big lover of "The Flick" but this cd makes me re-discover it. Would have liked "6 By 6" and "There is No Greater Love" in stereo, especially since Hank Cosby solely produced them. Sadly "The Flick" and "There is No Greater Love" were not issued on 45's in the UK.

Special mention for "He Was Really Saying Something" even if it is only to mention the word VELVELETTES! *smile*

[theboyfromxtown]

I am really getting into the second cd of this collection. I remember the last tracks on each side of "Earl Of Funk" being my preferred selections and I still feel the same way. But it's the next bunch that I am preferring much more.

The three James Jamerson tracks are in a similar funky vein and are representative of the Motown Sound in the 1968/1969 period. Looking at the songwriters of the 3 songs all recorded at Golden World on 21 November 1968 suggests they might also include the musicians. So I found it surprising that Earl Van Dyke, the acknowledged leader, was not also listed in the credits. But hey, what do I know!

Loved hearing Ivy Jo on the count-in on "Up On Your Feet". His "Ode to Benny B" sounded like an Eivets Rednow track and I was surprised to see Pamela Sawyer listed as a co-songwriter on an instrumental song?

I have had the previously unissued "Too Busy Thinking About My Baby" and the great Temps cover "Runaway Child Running Wild" on heavy repetition today and I still can't get enough. This new version of "Too Busy...", in particular, is just magnificent - that was a great discovery.

I rate this 2 cd set highly and I'd recommend buying it before the price zooms upwards..as has ALWAYS been the case with Earl Van Dyke's releases since the 60's.

[dickiemint]

Not to sound too much like an old Diana song, but I'm still waiting for mine, come on Amazon what's the hold up!

[theboyfromxtown]

I've had mine from HMV for a good while now. That's tough Dickiemint, sorry to hear that

[nabob]

Hip-O releases usually are ordered from CD Wow due to a dispute over the sales tax rate with Hip-O's rude staff. Thanks to standing on principles, a notice was finally received just yesterday that the 23 March order has been dispatched. CD Wow receives its stash of materials long after the Hip-O ship date and the CDs are then shipped from Hong Kong. The wait is definitely worthwhile on at least two fronts.

[stopinthenameoflove]

Thank you John, I always love your take on releases.

After I was finished listening to the EVD set, I naturally moved on to STML 11200 'Motown Memories'! That reminded me - there's just one of the old Marginal Records CDs that I still use and hasn't been replaced with an official release, The San Remo [[Golden) Strings.

Do you think there is any chance of an official CD release for The San Remo sound? I know they were mainly Ric-Tic recordings, but they were re-released later on Gordy 923 with some new[[?) tracks, and then more on Gordy 928

I'm now on STML 11216 'Swing' - it's all good stuff, with lots of Funk Bros on it too

Maybe it's just me that loves this stuff? An official CD release would be 'Festival Time' in my house anyway ;o)



Played side 1..so Ross Holloway - you asked me to share what I thought.

I'm used to the mono version of his first album but I like the stereo version better because you can hear more what is going on. The non album tracks are in mono. Hmmmmmm! Us Brits can get a stereo "I Can't Help Myself" on the album "STML 11200" but its one of the tracks that is merged with another track so it misses a bit of the intro...and it doesn't have that piano intro.

I love the pearls of wisdom found in the detail.....so I found it interesting that "Money" was assigned to the Vandellas, "Soul Stomp" to the Contours and I note that Tony Lawton was part of "Earl Van Dyke et son sextet" and they get a name check too...so no disputing who was there! [[see also the main forum). I also see "You Name It" was part of a live performance at the 20 Grand featuring the Temptations and Brenda Holloway...so I am assuming if we have EVD's performance, there might be some more from that concert for the future...bring it on Mr W.

I love "Mobile Lil" and also getting into Shorty Long's version on his ACE collection. Have never been a big lover of "The Flick" but this cd makes me re-discover it. Would have liked "6 By 6" and "There is No Greater Love" in stereo, especially since Hank Cosby solely produced them. Sadly "The Flick" and "There is No Greater Love" were not issued on 45's in the UK.

Special mention for "He Was Really Saying Something" even if it is only to mention the word VELVELETTES! *smile*

[pj1]

[QUOTE=theboyfromxtown;105981]Loved hearing Ivy Jo on the count-in on "Up On Your Feet". His "Ode to Benny B" sounded like an Eivets Rednow track and I was surprised to see Pamela Sawyer listed as a co-songwriter on an instrumental song?

John,

I believe that the answer to your comment/question is to be found in 3 places:
[[pg.27) The credits for 'Ode To Benny B.' list a working title of 'Hey Lady' recorded on May 25, 1968 and assigned to the Four Tops... For Pamela Sawyer to receive credit, lyrics were likely written. Whether the Tops record the lyrics to that one, has not yet been revealed.
[[pg. 12) "Benny Benjamin, who died way too young on April 20, 1969."
[[pg.27) credits continue- reassigned to EVD and overdubs recorded May 10, 1969; additional overdubs recorded June 14 and August 26, 1969.

[theboyfromxtown]

Stop..Thank you. You're very kind. *smile* STML 11200 has a stereo version of I Cant Help Myself from EVD which does not have the piano intro. So don't get rid of that album yet!

There is still customer demand for the San Remo Golden Strings and I am aware that it has been muted a few times in the past but nothing yet...sadly. We can but hope. However, by raising the subject, on this Forum and elsewhere, there will be some readers who can make it happen. And whilst I am on that subject, I'm mentioning the Fantastic Four!

[ron]

Can I add my weight [[not that there's that much of it..) behind the 'request' for a San Remo release. I promised to behave myself or do whatever was necessary for an Eddie Holland release. That came good so what will I have to do for this one to come good as well??!!

I'm fairly certain I already have most of the San Remo tracks released in various forms. Being especially interested in alternates, I have two versions of both 'I'm satisfied' and 'Blueberry Hill'. Does anybody know of any others?
Hopefully an official release might fill in any gaps.

And while I'm on the subject, has anybody mentioned the Fantastic Four ??!!
[[Does this mean I'm going to have to be good for the rest of my life??)

[theboyfromxtown]

[QUOTE=theboyfromxtown;105981]Loved hearing Ivy Jo on the count-in on "Up On Your Feet". His "Ode to Benny B" sounded like an Eivets Rednow track and I was surprised to see Pamela Sawyer listed as a co-songwriter on an instrumental song?

John,

I believe that the answer to your comment/question is to be found in 3 places:
[[pg.27) The credits for 'Ode To Benny B.' list a working title of 'Hey Lady' recorded on May 25, 1968 and assigned to the Four Tops... For Pamela Sawyer to receive credit, lyrics were likely written. Whether the Tops record the lyrics to that one, has not yet been revealed.
[[pg. 12) "Benny Benjamin, who died way too young on April 20, 1969."
[[pg.27) credits continue- reassigned to EVD and overdubs recorded May 10, 1969; additional overdubs recorded June 14 and August 26, 1969.

Thank you Mike. If the Tops had recorded vocals, the track would have been included on their Lost And Found set as a significant piece in Motown history.

[pj1]

John,
Your response reminded me of a question I meant to ask either Harry Weinger or Keith Hughes.

I find some of the language used in the annotations for the EVD set confusing.
Taking the "that Motown Sound" album as a starting point, some tracks list 'recorded on [[date)' assigned to [[artist/group)'. Others list 'recorded on [[date), assigned to and completed by [[artist- here Marvin Gaye)'. Why the distinction? Tracks 1-10 were completed by the artists listed.
Track 12 seems to be the exception [[unless there is a completed version by the Vandellas ) and partially track 11 [[Vandellas -no, Contours- yes; again unless there is a Vandellas version in the vaults. )
What is even more confusing is that "Can I Get A Witness" does not receive an 'assigned to and completed by' designation, only an 'assigned to'.
As the cd progresses, several other tracks assigned to and completed by particular artists do not carry that notation.
Were there 2 different persons handling the annotations?

[bankhousedave]

My copy arrived from Amazon yesterday, and it is handsome to behold. Haven't had chance to play much of it yet, but did get up to the two tracks from the Paris Revue. The French MC's intro to Too Many Fish is the same as the album, but the track itself is certainly a different mix - I guess the stereo re-channeling described, although it sounds very different from the original. Oddly, the song is credited to Norman Whitfield alone although I thought it was a collaboration with Eddie Holland. The version of Soul Stomp that follows it is an absolute gem. Tony Newton's bass is brought out much better [[more like the second side of the original album, although the suggestion is that this follows from the much muddier Fish) and you can really hear his Jamerson-style chops. Also Soul Stomp is augmented by the French brass section that plays on the rest of the show, so this number benefits from additional saxes and trumpet, giving it more of a complete Motown sound.

The most curious thing for me has a bit of a story behind it. Back in the sixties I succeeded in getting hold of an EMI press release on Earl and the band to accompany the tour. I was interested in the musicians more than anything else and wanted to find out their individual names. I lost the release in a move, but recalled those names as Earl Van Dyke, Eli Fountain, Jack Ashford, Robert White, Bob Cousar and Lloyd Newton. When, much later, I discovered more, I decided I had misremembered Tony's and Eli's names and thought no more about it. Yet, lo and behold, when Earl introduces the band members between these two tracks, he refers to Tony as Lloyd Newton. I know it's a question to ask Tony himself, but I am temporarily pleased that my memory wasn't playing tricks on me.

[theboyfromxtown]

PJ1

That's really a question that is better dealt with by Keith.

I have to say that the earlier title of "Can you Whip It Like Me" for "Can You Jerk Like Me" amused me.

[bankhousedave]

Listened to the version of Too Many Fish on here again, and it is not the same as the one on the Motortown Revue album. Not sure what is going on, but there is no question that Eli's alto solo is different. Maybe it's from a different night. I believe they played three nights in Paris...

[RossHolloway]

John,
Your response reminded me of a question I meant to ask either Harry Weinger or Keith Hughes.

I find some of the language used in the annotations for the EVD set confusing.
Taking the "that Motown Sound" album as a starting point, some tracks list 'recorded on [[date)' assigned to [[artist/group)'. Others list 'recorded on [[date), assigned to and completed by [[artist- here Marvin Gaye)'. Why the distinction? Tracks 1-10 were completed by the artists listed.
Track 12 seems to be the exception [[unless there is a completed version by the Vandellas ) and partially track 11 [[Vandellas -no, Contours- yes; again unless there is a Vandellas version in the vaults. )
What is even more confusing is that "Can I Get A Witness" does not receive an 'assigned to and completed by' designation, only an 'assigned to'.
As the cd progresses, several other tracks assigned to and completed by particular artists do not carry that notation.
Were there 2 different persons handling the annotations?

PJ1 - I asked a very similar question in the Nightflight thread on EVD and HW answered my question. The long and the short of it is, that while a track may have been assigned to an artist, it does not necessarily mean an artist actually put vocals down. I bumped that thread up just now for reference. My specific question was in post #7. I would love to have heard a Martha and the Vandellas version of Money [[That's What I Want)

[pj1]

Hi RossHolloway,
Thank you for your response. However, that's not exactly what I'm asking. Tracks 1-5 and 6-10 were recorded and officially released as singles and album tracks by each of the named artists before EVD added his overdubs. Yet only 3 list that they were completed by the artist [[here being Marvin Gaye). There are 2 other Marvin Gaye tracks, #10 'Can I Get A Witness' that the annotation does not say was completed by Marvin Gaye, and #6 actually completed and vaulted by Marvin Gaye, then Jimmy Ruffin. Here the annotation is even more confusing- Marvin's version is either nameless or 'All For You'- yet the version eventually released has Marvin singing the 'Lucky, Lucky Me' lyrics. The annotation states that the song was retitled 'Lucky, Lucky Me' and given to Jimmy Ruffin.
Some I'm asking why were 2 different designations used for this release?

[theboyfromxtown]

It could be worse......a track is assigned to a group, they record it and then it's wiped!

I wonder who gets charged for the costs of the recording in that case!

[theboyfromxtown]

PJ1 - I asked a very similar question in the Nightflight thread on EVD and HW answered my question. The long and the short of it is, that while a track may have been assigned to an artist, it does not necessarily mean an artist actually put vocals down. I bumped that thread up just now for reference. My specific question was in post #7. I would love to have heard a Martha and the Vandellas version of Money [[That's What I Want)

RossHolloway.....I didn't see your comment on MJ's thread until you mentioned it here. I am pleased that we both had similar thoughts. I also agree that I would love to hear the original planned versions.

[RossHolloway]

Hi RossHolloway,
Thank you for your response. However, that's not exactly what I'm asking. Tracks 1-5 and 6-10 were recorded and officially released as singles and album tracks by each of the named artists before EVD added his overdubs. Yet only 3 list that they were completed by the artist [[here being Marvin Gaye). There are 2 other Marvin Gaye tracks, #10 'Can I Get A Witness' that the annotation does not say was completed by Marvin Gaye, and #6 actually completed and vaulted by Marvin Gaye, then Jimmy Ruffin. Here the annotation is even more confusing- Marvin's version is either nameless or 'All For You'- yet the version eventually released has Marvin singing the 'Lucky, Lucky Me' lyrics. The annotation states that the song was retitled 'Lucky, Lucky Me' and given to Jimmy Ruffin.
Some I'm asking why were 2 different designations used for this release?

PJ1 - The one difference on the album is that it seems like EVD just overdubbed onto the original backing track to those released songs [[Tracks 1-11), while track 12, is not the original backing track to Barrett Strong's hit song Money, but appears to have been recorded approximately 3 years after the original song was released. [[Unless my ears are deceiving me). That's the one thing that stands out to me. But that also opens the door to another question: did any artist/group record vocals to this updated track of Money? DFTMC [[while not complete) does not show any artist having re-recording the song in 1963 or '64, and the next artists listed as recording the song were Jr. Walker and the All Stars and The Supreme's, both in 1966, and both with new/different re-recorded band tracks.
Clarence Paul is listed as having produced the "basic tracks" to the song, and it wasn't uncommon for more than one artist/group to take a shot at recording a song, I just wonder who all Clarence was producing during this time period that may have laid down vocals...

I also note where some track annotations state "assigned to and completed by ______" and others are just listed as "assigned to _____", and I'm not sure what the difference between the two annotations truly are. Perhaps different instrumental mixes than the well known released versions.

[theboyfromxtown]

..and also for Soul Stomp.

[RossHolloway]

..and also for Soul Stomp.

I now seem to recall that HW may have said that there were no lyrics to Soul Stomp. But do not quote me on that. lol. Perhaps he will see this thread and chim in on our questions.

[theboyfromxtown]

'Tis true that no vocal version was recorded. However, Richard Street would know for sure if lyrics were ever written..if he can remember, that is!

[dickiemint]

It has finally arrived! Thank you Amazon for Keeping me hanging on ! When you pre order the products you don't think you'll be the last to get it, never mind I can listen to it all weekend.

[RossHolloway]

It has finally arrived! Thank you Amazon for Keeping me hanging on ! When you pre order the products you don't think you'll be the last to get it, never mind I can listen to it all weekend.

Glad that you've finally gotten your copy! It's too bad it took so long for it to get to you. I ordered mine from Amazon and received it in less than a week. Well give the set a couple of turns this weekend and let us all know what you think of the release!

[hwume]

Thank you EVERYONE, for their positive response to this collection. It was a labor of love that took several years to come to fruition.

In re to the puzzlement over the annotations...

Fair question, but let me be sure I got this straight - there is a hand raised about the "quirkiness" of the annotations in this set, specifically the songs on the first album that surely were recorded by vocalists but whose overdubs are not noted. If I got that right, here goes:

Anytime a basic track is recorded by one and then another artist, there is usually a long list of recording dates for each of their overdubs. That may be interesting for the history of that particular song - which for nearly every song in Motown's classic era is laid out on my colleague Keith Hughes' essential site, www.dftmc.info - but for this specific collection and this specific artist, I felt it best to focus on Earl's contributions, and not lose the story of "his" song under a barrage of info for the vocal version. Keith and I actually created a "full" set and, perhaps it's a decision down to taste or aesthetic, but they were hard to follow. Now, where it says "Track recorded xxxxx, assigned to and completed by xxxx," that means the track and the vocal were done the same day, same session; there is nothing in-between the band track date and Earl's subsequent overdub[[s).

OK?

[RossHolloway]

Thank you EVERYONE, for their positive response to this collection. It was a labor of love that took several years to come to fruition.

In re to the puzzlement over the annotations...

Fair question, but let me be sure I got this straight - there is a hand raised about the "quirkiness" of the annotations in this set, specifically the songs on the first album that surely were recorded by vocalists but whose overdubs are not noted. If I got that right, here goes:

Anytime a basic track is recorded by one and then another artist, there is usually a long list of recording dates for each of their overdubs. That may be interesting for the history of that particular song - which for nearly every song in Motown's classic era is laid out on my colleague Keith Hughes' essential site, www.dftmc.info [[http://www.dftmc.info) - but for this specific collection and this specific artist, I felt it best to focus on Earl's contributions, and not lose the story of "his" song under a barrage of info for the vocal version. Keith and I actually created a "full" set and, perhaps it's a decision down to taste or aesthetic, but they were hard to follow. Now, where it says "Track recorded xxxxx, assigned to and completed by xxxx," that means the track and the vocal were done the same day, same session; there is nothing in-between the band track date and Earl's subsequent overdub[[s).

OK?

Harry-

Thanks for responding. Just out of curiosity, who was the re-recorded 1963 track to Money done for? Did anyone record vocals for this? The notes list it as being assigned to the Vandellas, and if I remember correctly you stated that the group never recorded vocals for the track, did any artist or group ever get around to putting their vocals down to this re-recorded track? Was this a fairly routine practice, where a producer does a instrumental track, but never gets around to an artist or group adding vocals?

[hwume]

"Money" was recorded on three-track, then sat in the can for nearly two years [[21 months) until it was "bumped up" to eight-track and guitar and organ were overdubbed. That became the version on the album. It was not used by anyone else.

Producers often recorded tracks to present to an artist or artists and they wouldn't return to them for one reason or another.

[jtf1972]

I FINALLY got mine [[finances have been a bit tight of late)

This whole set put a smile on my face. It sounds phenomenal!

The only question I would have is regarding the Earl of Funk album. I am guessing that the horrible fake applause that was added to the original could not be removed for this remastering. It's a pity, as it is the one thing that truly annoyed me about my original album. The canned applause really does a disservice to the music, as the nuances of the music that would effect the live audience cannot be replicated.

Still, even with not having a "clean" version of The Earl of Funk I am jamming this set!

[hwume]

I FINALLY got mine [[finances have been a bit tight of late)

This whole set put a smile on my face. It sounds phenomenal!

The only question I would have is regarding the Earl of Funk album. I am guessing that the horrible fake applause that was added to the original could not be removed for this remastering. It's a pity, as it is the one thing that truly annoyed me about my original album. The canned applause really does a disservice to the music, as the nuances of the music that would effect the live audience cannot be replicated.

Still, even with not having a "clean" version of The Earl of Funk I am jamming this set!

Glad you are enjoying the collection.

Regarding the live album: the first option, which we chose, was to present the album as it was released, to "document" it digitally - especially since it was appearing for the first time on CD. The second option, which was toyed with, was to mix the entire recording from scratch. It would have sounded great. But the time and money spent to arrive at something resembling the album - following the A&R decisions made by Henry Cosby as best as one can, albeit without the applause - would not have have served the release overall. Time and money was better spent taking care of the unreleased tracks. And if it had been remixed, I'd always feel, "hmmm, the original album has still yet to be reissued properly." But the performances, apart from an artifact of a commercial recorded product, would sound great[[er) if... some day...

[jtf1972]

some day...

Thanks Harry... Some day indeed! If only there would be additional material to include in a Volume II. :D

[Roger Polhill]

There must be more live tracks in the vaults. "Heartbreak" hasn`t been released on CD yet.

[hwume]

There must be more live tracks in the vaults. "Heartbreak" hasn`t been released on CD yet.

Yes there are - consider the live track "You Name It" [[that's how it's listed, I know it sounds like "Heartbreak) on Disc 1 of the EVD set, from the same show as "Don't Mess With Bill" on the SITSOM soundtrack deluxe edition. That's from one show where they opened for Motown headliners, and then backed them for their sets. There are reels of other live shows tethered to the main act, where the opening sets with the EVD band were recorded as well, like "Heartbreak" before the Jr. Walker set.

But - those EVD/Funks sets are generally three-to-four songs brief, contain covers to please the small crowd and are not necessarily being listened to by said crowd there to see the headliner. There are gems, but few.

The EARL OF FUNK album was a document of an actual EVD/Funks show where they were the main act, and that's the only one in the vault.

[Roger Polhill]

Thank you Your Grace. I don`t care if they are brief covers I love the Funks. Any chance of them appearing on future "Cellar Fulls". I like so many rabid fans are getting older and we`re not afraid of dying but are afraid of going without hearing or knowing what`s in the vaults.
We have August here and there is nothing promised, this means cold turkey for an addict like me. Please open up those vaults and give us something each month that we can squander our pensions on. After all it is us that have kept this magic alive. Regards Roger.

[radionixon]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I need some information!

Who is playing drums on "Ode to Benny B"? Some of the sessions for the track took place before he passed, and some afterwards - so is Papa Zita actually playing on his own tribute song?

I need to know as I'll be spinning it on my radio show this weekend to mark Benny's birthday [[25th July 1925) and I'd like to get the story right!

[Roger Polhill]

Is it Stevie Wonder ?

[radionixon]

It's obviously Stevie on the harp, but I don't think it's him drumming. According to the credits booklet, there were three separate sessions to bring this to its final state, and I'd assumed that the drums were laid down during the first one, when this was planned to go to the Tops [[and obviously long before Benny died).

With that in mind, I was wondering whether it was Benny, or someone else? I love the idea of him playing on what became his own tribute song, but it'd be good to know for sure before I blurt it out on the radio. I know Pistol Allen gave the rundown on how to tell the difference between the three great Funks drummers in Standing in the Shadows of Motown, but I could never master it!

[[thanks for replying, by the way!)

[bradburger]

I'd say it was Uriel Jones playing drums on this track.

Btw, don't take Pistol's demonstration of how to identify the drummers at Motown in SITSOM as a definitive demonstration of what pickups to listen for. Whilst it's correct to an extent, it's a rather modest, and simplistic demonstration.

Whilst both Uriel & Pistol did have there own identifiable styles [[as demonstrated by Pistol) which they would use later on in the Motown timeline, both could emulate Benny's playing and style superbly, and this was especially true in the mid sixties.

Remember in SITOSM when Uriel said that they "Tried to clone him".

Well, listen to some of those classic 1965/66 productions, and you'll hear them both doing their best to emulate Benny.

Check out Uriel emulating him on 'My Girl Has Gone', Since I Lost My Baby, 'Don't Look Back' and 'It's Growing' to name but a few.

As for Pistol, you'll hear him doing his best 'Benny impression' on the Monitors 'Crying In The Night’, 'Think It Over [[Before You Break My Heart)', 'These Things Will Keep Me Loving You', and of course the Temps 'Get Ready', which is nearly always credited to Benny!

One thing is for sure, at times, they would borrow pickups and playing styles from each other, making identifying the drummers at Motown a not quite so simple task!

Cheers

Paul