The Ed Sullivan Show/ MeTV

[khansperac]

I just saw a commercial on MeTV and they are airing the Ed Sullivan show on Sunday nights. I immediately went to my DVR to record the series and just my luck, an episode with the Supremes airs this Sunday. My question is this, the episode is only 30 minutes. Is that how long the show was, or was it an hour? Also on this episode is Gary Lewis and the Playboys and the Harlem Globetrotters. Anyone know more about this episode? What do the Supremes sing?

[reese]

I just saw a commercial on MeTV and they are airing the Ed Sullivan show on Sunday nights. I immediately went to my DVR to record the series and just my luck, an episode with the Supremes airs this Sunday. My question is this, the episode is only 30 minutes. Is that how long the show was, or was it an hour? Also on this episode is Gary Lewis and the Playboys and the Harlem Globetrotters. Anyone know more about this episode? What do the Supremes sing?

These sound like the edited 30-minute versions that used to air in syndication. The Decades channel was airing them in the past few years. The original shows were 60 minutes.

The episode you described sounds like the 12/66 show where they sang MY FAVORITE THINGS and a hits medley.

[khansperac]

Thanks Reese.

[nomis]

I bought the sullivan dvd box set about 15 yrs ago for the Supremes performances it had most of their singles hits but none of the show tunes etc..I was disappointed about 5 yrs ago to purchase the single dvd release of the Supremes performances and that was incomplete compilation of their work on sullivan..why can't they release the complete performances ? ..

[reese]

Thanks Reese.

You're welcome.

The only problem is that every so often, the shows are edited badly. For instance, when Ike and Tina appeared, they did a medley of songs. When the 30 minute version aired, they put half the medley at the beginning of the show and stuck the rest of it at the end.

[johnjeb]

In addition to the shows being edited to 30 minutes, some songs or medleys were also edited.

[nomis]

The edited "up the ladder" on my box set is criminal...

[Bluebrock]

The edited "up the ladder" on my box set is criminal...
The edited version is the only one i have ever seen of this performance. Did the original broadcast in 1970 contain the full version?

[nomis]

The edited version is the only one i have ever seen of this performance. Did the original broadcast in 1970 contain the full version?

Apparently so a verse is edited out of the performance

[TheMotownManiac]

The edited version is the only one i have ever seen of this performance. Did the original broadcast in 1970 contain the full version?


here’s the full version. I can’t tell you how dazzled I was seeing the pant suits, medley, hearing the new record, and seeing the new Supreme. I recorded it with my tape recorder and probably played that medley 500 times over the years I know it by heart and then some. They were simply sensational, yet, my heart didn’t beat fast. It was very strange to me seeing The Supremes on TV and not having that feeling, especially when they were so fantastic. I soon learned what the missing element was that made my heart beat out of my chest every time is the Supremes had been on TV.

here’s the full song - I couldn’t wait to buy the 45, I remember it took like a week or so to get to St. Louis, but I had my tape to hold me over. Jeez, I loved this 45.....

https://youtu.be/MBu8pUJNRpg. Enjoy!

[Bluebrock]

here’s the full version. I can’t tell you how dazzled I was seeing the pant suits, medley, hearing the new record, and seeing the new Supreme. I recorded it with my tape recorder and probably played that medley 500 times over the years I know it by heart and then some. They were simply sensational, yet, my heart didn’t beat fast. It was very strange to me seeing The Supremes on TV and not having that feeling, especially when they were so fantastic. I soon learned what the missing element was that made my heart beat out of my chest every time is the Supremes had been on TV.

here’s the full song - I couldn’t wait to buy the 45, I remember it took like a week or so to get to St. Louis, but I had my tape to hold me over. Jeez, I loved this 45.....

https://youtu.be/MBu8pUJNRpg. Enjoy!

Thank you so much for that
I have seen the edited version so many times and i always assumed that was what was originally broadcast. Why the hell was the edited version used on the official Ed Sullivan dvd. Utter madness.
Thank you again for posting this definitive performance.
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[floyjoy678]

Speaking of edited, did they perform Someday in full or is that originally how it was broadcast? All the versions I've seen have them editing out the second verse.

[reese]

Speaking of edited, did they perform Someday in full or is that originally how it was broadcast? All the versions I've seen have them editing out the second verse.

That's the way it was originally broadcast.

[milven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBu8pUJNRpg

I've asked this question here a few times, but would like new opinions when looking at this video.

I always heard Jean come in early with the line , "if you go up to the ladder" I can hear her say "if you" realizes she came in early, and stops. In this video, I can also see her acknowledge the mistake of the recording by moving her lips to it. Every time I ask this question, {since 1970} I have been told that I am wrong. Now I see her moving her lips to the recorded "if you" mistake. It's at 1:32.

Help me. I am an old man with a hearing problem, but I have been hearing it since 1970 before loud music ruined my ears. Is she saying "if you" And in this video is she moving her lips to it? Or am I simply insane?

[reese]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBu8pUJNRpg

I've asked this question here a few times, but would like new opinions when looking at this video.

I always heard Jean come in early with the line , "if you go up to the ladder" I can hear her say "if you" realizes she came in early, and stops. In this video, I can also see her acknowledge the mistake of the recording by moving her lips to it. Every time I ask this question, {since 1970} I have been told that I am wrong. Now I see her moving her lips to the recorded "if you" mistake. It's at 1:32.

Help me. I am an old man with a hearing problem, but I have been hearing it since 1970 before loud music ruined my ears. Is she saying "if you" And in this video is she moving her lips to it? Or am I simply insane?

I would never have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out. But after the line "they'll all fade away," I do hear a slight "if" at the point you mentioned, although I don't see her moving her lips to it. I think that's just the way her lips were, in terms of anticipating the next line.

[RanRan79]

I've asked this question here a few times, but would like new opinions when looking at this video.

I always heard Jean come in early with the line , "if you go up to the ladder" I can hear her say "if you" realizes she came in early, and stops. In this video, I can also see her acknowledge the mistake of the recording by moving her lips to it. Every time I ask this question, {since 1970} I have been told that I am wrong. Now I see her moving her lips to the recorded "if you" mistake. It's at 1:32.

Help me. I am an old man with a hearing problem, but I have been hearing it since 1970 before loud music ruined my ears. Is she saying "if you" And in this video is she moving her lips to it? Or am I simply insane?

Milven I've noticed that moment in the audio of the actual song before. I've never been 100 percent sure if it was Jean or the musical sound effects. My money is on the sound effect. Hard to believe such a great and important song would have a poor edit that left in a millisecond of something Jean was singing.

As far as the video, I don't think Jean was moving her mouth to it.

[nomis]

I was surprised Diana didnt debut "Reach Out And Touch" on Sullivan but made the move to debut her solo career on Merv Griffin..maybe it was to dissociate herself from the Supremes legacy on Sullivan..

[Bluebrock]

I was surprised Diana didnt debut "Reach Out And Touch" on Sullivan but made the move to debut her solo career on Merv Griffin..maybe it was to dissociate herself from the Supremes legacy on Sullivan..
Someone posted on here that she was originally scheduled to debut Reach out and touch on the Sullivan show, but Berry Gordy pulled the plug on it much to Sullivan's fury. Not sure of the reasons behind it.

[nomis]

Interesting bluebrock..I learn things on this forum everyday I must read the biography on sullivan [[which has the Supremes in their someday finery on the cover)..the sullivan show finished in 1971 I've always wanted to know why ..it was such a staple of american culture

[Bluebrock]

Interesting bluebrock..I learn things on this forum everyday I must read the biography on sullivan [[which has the Supremes in their someday finery on the cover)..the sullivan show finished in 1971 I've always wanted to know why ..it was such a staple of american culture

I do believe the ratings plummeted quite drastically during the final couple of years.
Not sure why. Perhaps that type of variety show fell out of favour. It was massive in the 60's of course. Berry must have had his reasons. I'm sure Reach out would have gone top 10 had she performed it live on tv at the time of release.

[thommg]

I remember anticipating this Supremes performance on Sullivan. For me, it did not disappoint. And, I was so excited to hear Cindy sing a line! They looked good and sounded good, and it made me happy that The Supremes were still there!

[benross]

If someone ever releases Always, from the Irving Berlin Tribute Show, on CD, I sincerely do hope that they edit out the spoken interlude near the end. The song, otherwise, is performed beautifully, but with the appearance of that jarring "Tell you what we'll do, we're gonna sock it to you now 'cause here comes the judge" interjection, what could have been a masterpiece is ruined. I would also like to have the Irving Berlin Medley on CD, in case you're listening, Mr. or Ms. Record Producer! And by the way, it wouldn't be too hard to do this edit; I made a passable, though not professional grade, edit myself, so I can listen to the Irving Berlin songs along with the other standards and not feel too miserable!

[khansperac]

My DVR automatically records this show. Apparently another episode with the Supremes airs tonight. Don’t know if it’s coincidence or Supreme luck. Tonight’s show features the Turtles, Blue Comets, and Ken Venturi. Anyone know what the Supremes sing? Maybe to late to ask, the show comes on in 30 minutes so I guess I’ll find out.

[JohnnyB]

My DVR automatically records this show. Apparently another episode with the Supremes airs tonight. Don’t know if it’s coincidence or Supreme luck. Tonight’s show features the Turtles, Blue Comets, and Ken Venturi. Anyone know what the Supremes sing? Maybe to late to ask, the show comes on in 30 minutes so I guess I’ll find out.

I haven’t watched yet, but the preview was My World Is Empty Without You...

[milven]

Interesting bluebrock.......the sullivan show finished in 1971 I've always wanted to know why ..it was such a staple of american culture

CBS cancelled a lot of shows during that period. They were looking for a younger audience and cancelled some long time running, and still popular, shows like Jackie Gleason, Sullivan, Red Skelton, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Hee Haw, and Petticoat Junction. It was called the rural purge. While it was sad to see these popular favorites be dumped all at once, it did make room for some future classics like All in The Family and MASH.

Also, I believe Ed Sullivan was steadily declining with dementia, and he passed away a year or so later.

I wonder if his famous “Here they are….the girls” was the beginning signs of that terrible disease

[nomis]

CBS cancelled a lot of shows during that period. They were looking for a younger audience and cancelled some long time running, and still popular, shows like Jackie Gleason, Sullivan, Red Skelton, Beverly Hillbillies, Green Acres, Hee Haw, and Petticoat Junction. It was called the rural purge. While it was sad to see these popular favorites be dumped all at once, it did make room for some future classics like All in The Family and MASH.

Also, I believe Ed Sullivan was steadily declining with dementia, and he passed away a year or so later.

I wonder if his famous “Here they are….the girls” was the beginning signs of that terrible disease

Very interesting thanks milven

[khansperac]

I haven’t watched yet, but the preview was My World Is Empty Without You...

Thanks. Yes they sang “My world is empty” and also “Somewhere”.

[reese]

Also, I believe Ed Sullivan was steadily declining with dementia, and he passed away a year or so later.

I wonder if his famous “Here they are….the girls” was the beginning signs of that terrible disease

In an interview about her appearances on his program, Joan Rivers speculated the same.

[jobeterob]

I happened to see it tonight - yes My World and a dramatic Somewhere

Lots of eye make up and hair over the eye for Diana and lots of drama by her at the conclusion of Somewhere

You could hear Florence over Mary

For all the dishonesty there’s been published about hands being raised over faces, I thought they took great care not to do that - but once I thought Mary nearly did it

[nomis]

I just watched " somewhere" on you tube.. someone commented that only diana is singing live and that flo and Mary are lyp syncing to a pre recorded track..is this true ?..

[floyjoy678]

I happened to see it tonight - yes My World and a dramatic Somewhere

Lots of eye make up and hair over the eye for Diana and lots of drama by her at the conclusion of Somewhere

You could hear Florence over Mary

For all the dishonesty there’s been published about hands being raised over faces, I thought they took great care not to do that - but once I thought Mary nearly did it

If you've watched they sing Stop on Mike Douglas when they throw they hands up in the air on the last chorus, Flo actually briefly blocks Diana's face but quickly realizes it and moves her hand away. It's pretty funny. I believe the Diana blocking faces thing started when they did the Funny Girl medley on Sullivan.

[floyjoy678]

I just watched " somewhere" on you tube.. someone commented that only diana is singing live and that flo and Mary are lyp syncing to a pre recorded track..is this true ?..

I always thought they were singing live for Somewhere because when Diana moves up forward at the end, Flo and Mary are barely audible as they were for most of the song before that.

[blackguy69]

I’m sure all of them were singing live. Later on performances saw only Diana singing live
I always thought they were singing live for Somewhere because when Diana moves up forward at the end, Flo and Mary are barely audible as they were for most of the song before that.

[Spreadinglove21]

I have a really difficult time watching Diana Ross perform with the Supremes. Those supremes just ooze hate and jealousy for Miss Ross when they are performing together. My heart aches for Diana for what she had to put up with. I admire her so much for rising above the hate and jealously and pettiness of the Supremes. It's inspiring. But I have to admit it hurts me to see as someone who loves Diana Ross. I wish I could go back in time to 1960 and tell Diana Ross to believe in herself. You're fabulous. You're a star. You can make it on your own. Then she wouldn't have had to be in the Supremes. I love the Supremes songs, they're magic. But I rather watch Diana Ross perform solo. I'm grateful there are plenty of Diana Ross solo performances us true fans who love Diana Ross can watch on youtube.

[Bluebrock]

I have a really difficult time watching Diana Ross perform with the Supremes. Those supremes just ooze hate and jealousy for Miss Ross when they are performing together. My heart aches for Diana for what she had to put up with. I admire her so much for rising above the hate and jealously and pettiness of the Supremes. It's inspiring. But I have to admit it hurts me to see as someone who loves Diana Ross. I wish I could go back in time to 1960 and tell Diana Ross to believe in herself. You're fabulous. You're a star. You can make it on your own. Then she wouldn't have had to be in the Supremes. I love the Supremes songs, they're magic. But I rather watch Diana Ross perform solo. I'm grateful there are plenty of Diana Ross solo performances us true fans who love Diana Ross can watch on youtube.

I also prefer her as a solo act, but there is no point in rehashing old stories especially now that Mary and Flo are no longer around. The Supremes created so many memories for so many people. Let's be grateful for the legacy they left behind for us to enjoy.

[floyjoy678]

I also prefer her as a solo act, but there is no point in rehashing old stories especially now that Mary and Flo are no longer around. The Supremes created so many memories for so many people. Let's be grateful for the legacy they left behind for us to enjoy.

Bluebrock just out of curiosity were you not enchanted by the magic three of them together? I'm a fan where I love the three of them together but as solo acts I just can't seem to get into them. I downloaded Mary's solo album and have listened to the first few of Diana's but for me something is missing. The three of together just do it for me.

[TheMotownManiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBu8pUJNRpg

I've asked this question here a few times, but would like new opinions when looking at this video.

I always heard Jean come in early with the line , "if you go up to the ladder" I can hear her say "if you" realizes she came in early, and stops. In this video, I can also see her acknowledge the mistake of the recording by moving her lips to it. Every time I ask this question, {since 1970} I have been told that I am wrong. Now I see her moving her lips to the recorded "if you" mistake. It's at 1:32.

Help me. I am an old man with a hearing problem, but I have been hearing it since 1970 before loud music ruined my ears. Is she saying "if you" And in this video is she moving her lips to it? Or am I simply insane?

you’re correct, it’s slight, but it’s there. She also totally misses the ooh towards the end, and is soft on a few bits of diction, But I think she does a fabulous job lip-synching for the first time on national television she must’ve been scared to death. There was so much media attention on the person replacing diana ross that I’m sure she needed new panties by the time she got off stage.

Diana is a master at lip-synch however she gets screwed up on her versus when she’s not concentrating on the lyrics like love child or you keep me hanging on at the Hollywood Palace just to name a few. However, she’s great in LSTB When she has time to be down on it.

[TheMotownManiac]

I have a really difficult time watching Diana Ross perform with the Supremes. Those supremes just ooze hate and jealousy for Miss Ross when they are performing together. My heart aches for Diana for what she had to put up with. I admire her so much for rising above the hate and jealously and pettiness of the Supremes. It's inspiring. But I have to admit it hurts me to see as someone who loves Diana Ross. I wish I could go back in time to 1960 and tell Diana Ross to believe in herself. You're fabulous. You're a star. You can make it on your own. Then she wouldn't have had to be in the Supremes. I love the Supremes songs, they're magic. But I rather watch Diana Ross perform solo. I'm grateful there are plenty of Diana Ross solo performances us true fans who love Diana Ross can watch on youtube.

there are a few times that gnarl at me, but I think they all did a fine job of hiding their animosity. They were three young girls who became international stars overnight after five years, and that kind of stuff is going to happen often. I saw Florence look at Diana a couple times, but not in a bad way, although not necessarily in a good way either. And a couple little Mary things that did had to be deliberate but again there was a lot of tension and a lot of everything and the fact that they did as well as they did I is extremely commendable for all of them.

[floyjoy678]

there are a few times that gnarl at me, but I think they all did a fine job of hiding their animosity. They were three young girls who became international stars overnight after five years, and that kind of stuff is going to happen often. I saw Florence look at Diana a couple times, but not in a bad way, although not necessarily in a good way either. And a couple little Mary things that did had to be deliberate but again there was a lot of tension and a lot of everything and the fact that they did as well as they did I is extremely commendable for all of them.

I never noticed them ever giving each other glares? I don't even think they ever looked at each other while performing except for maybe Flo when she was trying to remember the dance steps.

[TheMotownManiac]

I never noticed them ever giving each other glares? I don't even think they ever looked at each other while performing except for maybe Flo when she was trying to remember the dance steps.


of course glare is your word, I believe the word I used was “look “and what is in the happening and the other is at the end of somewhere in the Hollywood Palace.

[floyjoy678]

of course glare is your word, I believe the word I used was “look “and what is in the happening and the other is at the end of somewhere in the Hollywood Palace.

My bad I guess I should have looked more closely to your post.

[Spreadinglove21]

The supremes performances I just can't watch anymore and I can't stand are when they do You're Nobody Until Somebody loves you. Diana Ross is trying to sing an uplifting positive message to the audience and those nasty Supremes are interrupting with smart ass, uppity comments and making fun of her or stepping in front of her trying to hog the attention. Or giving shady looks to each other. This drives me up the wall. If they didn't like Diana Ross singing such a positive message they should have quit the group. I no longer watch those performances, I can't take it. I want to jump into a time machine and give Diana Ross a hug and tell her she will be free of those no good player hating supremes.

[jobeterob]

I haven’t seen a lot of animosity - it was very hard to watch one member become a major star - so of course there would be some jealousy.

But I think the performances were good and very enjoyable and I don’t feel anything bad watching them.

[floyjoy678]

of course glare is your word, I believe the word I used was “look “and what is in the happening and the other is at the end of somewhere in the Hollywood Palace.

Wasn't the Hollywood Palace when Flo had walking pneumonia? This was when shit was starting to hit the fan anyway.

[sup_fan]

The supremes performances I just can't watch anymore and I can't stand are when they do You're Nobody Until Somebody loves you. Diana Ross is trying to sing an uplifting positive message to the audience and those nasty Supremes are interrupting with smart ass, uppity comments and making fun of her or stepping in front of her trying to hog the attention. Or giving shady looks to each other. This drives me up the wall. If they didn't like Diana Ross singing such a positive message they should have quit the group. I no longer watch those performances, I can't take it. I want to jump into a time machine and give Diana Ross a hug and tell her she will be free of those no good player hating supremes.

while you're entitled to you opinion, it seems that you might be interpreting things incorrectly. the act was totally scripted and those ad libs were planned as part of a comedy routine. If you listen to the More Hits By The Supremes Expanded Edition. it contains one of the first performances of You're Nobody and it contains similar joke lines. The often told story of these being some sort of rebellion by Flo during the Copa shows simply can't be true. Now maybe Gordy decided to NOT do the comedy routine at the Copa - maybe he thought this was too fancy a place. I'm just speculating on that though. Because although the stage patter was a bit different in the early version, it seems they planned this all along.

as for glares or withering looks onstage, i have practically every available fan video of the group. been trading these since the 90s. I'm not aware of any clip in the 60s where the girls acted unprofessionally.

[nomis]

while you're entitled to you opinion, it seems that you might be interpreting things incorrectly. the act was totally scripted and those ad libs were planned as part of a comedy routine. If you listen to the More Hits By The Supremes Expanded Edition. it contains one of the first performances of You're Nobody and it contains similar joke lines. The often told story of these being some sort of rebellion by Flo during the Copa shows simply can't be true. Now maybe Gordy decided to NOT do the comedy routine at the Copa - maybe he thought this was too fancy a place. I'm just speculating on that though. Because although the stage patter was a bit different in the early version, it seems they planned this all along.

as for glares or withering looks onstage, i have practically every available fan video of the group. been trading these since the 90s. I'm not aware of any clip in the 60s where the girls acted unprofessionally.

Well said sup fan

[Bluebrock]

Bluebrock just out of curiosity were you not enchanted by the magic three of them together? I'm a fan where I love the three of them together but as solo acts I just can't seem to get into them. I downloaded Mary's solo album and have listened to the first few of Diana's but for me something is missing. The three of together just do it for me.
Of course i was enchanted by the original trio, but Ms Ross had recently left the group when i first began to sit up and take notice of that voice. I was still a kid when i bought Remember Me and I'm still waiting on 7" vinyl at their time of release. It was after that when i began to dig into the past and discover the Supremes music.
I have never cared much for Mary Wilson's voice, but i did buy her Motown album when it was first released. It didn't impress me back then and it certainly does not impress me now, but i am pleased for Mary's fanbase that the expanded edition is finally here. I am sure her fans will find it a more pleasant experience than i do.
I will always enjoy listening to and watching the Supremes performances, But it is Ms Ross as a solo star who will always be closest to my heart. Hope that explains it sufficiently.

[TheMotownManiac]

while you're entitled to you opinion, it seems that you might be interpreting things incorrectly. the act was totally scripted and those ad libs were planned as part of a comedy routine. If you listen to the More Hits By The Supremes Expanded Edition. it contains one of the first performances of You're Nobody and it contains similar joke lines. The often told story of these being some sort of rebellion by Flo during the Copa shows simply can't be true. Now maybe Gordy decided to NOT do the comedy routine at the Copa - maybe he thought this was too fancy a place. I'm just speculating on that though. Because although the stage patter was a bit different in the early version, it seems they planned this all along.

as for glares or withering looks onstage, i have practically every available fan video of the group. been trading these since the 90s. I'm not aware of any clip in the 60s where the girls acted unprofessionally.

‘you’re right, the patter was scripted and loved by audiences. These three were not exactly Noel Coward, Groucho Marx and Tallulah Bankhead - but they did a good job with You're Nobody - but it appears no one ever worked with them about timer and staying in character, if not for the entire show at least for the bit. This is evident in the wonder May 1969 performance of the song where Sullivan is adding some adlibs which flustered Diana a bit and showed that Mary needed some fine tuning as well. My knowledge it was in every single performance of the COPA for five solid years. I believe it was still in the act occasionally when Jean joined but I don’t know if they ever did it at the Copa.

If you watch my beloved YCHL on Sullivan, You not only get my favorite of their own material performances, the brilliant Earring catch and toss, but there is intrigue in that some fans see Mary deliberately stepping into Diana’s mark forcing Flo to move right so there is room for Ross to join the trio in the middle. It appears that Mary is allowing Diana absolutely as little room as possible, and then begins to hit her in the leg with her tambourine. If you look very closely, right before the close-up of ross ends and cuts back to the trio, you can see her eyes flash down to Mary’s tambourine and, to some people, including me, I see that quick flash of anger that She ioccasionally displays. There are those Who think We’re just looking for trouble, but I swear we’re not. Well, I’M not anyway. Anyway, it starts at 1:35 - See what you think… there’s no right or wrong answer.

https://youtu.be/Itn438i30hk

[PeaceNHarmony]

I wonder if we're being trolled. I'll not abide by any poster referencing 'nasty Supremes': each of the Supremes was a talented and determined lady who contributed greatly to American popular culture.

[sup_fan]

‘you’re right, the patter was scripted and loved by audiences. These three were not exactly Noel Coward, Groucho Marx and Tallulah Bankhead - but they did a good job with You're Nobody - but it appears no one ever worked with them about timer and staying in character, if not for the entire show at least for the bit. This is evident in the wonder May 1969 performance of the song where Sullivan is adding some adlibs which flustered Diana a bit and showed that Mary needed some fine tuning as well. My knowledge it was in every single performance of the COPA for five solid years. I believe it was still in the act occasionally when Jean joined but I don’t know if they ever did it at the Copa.

If you watch my beloved YCHL on Sullivan, You not only get my favorite of their own material performances, the brilliant Earring catch and toss, but there is intrigue in that some fans see Mary deliberately stepping into Diana’s mark forcing Flo to move right so there is room for Ross to join the trio in the middle. It appears that Mary is allowing Diana absolutely as little room as possible, and then begins to hit her in the leg with her tambourine. If you look very closely, right before the close-up of ross ends and cuts back to the trio, you can see her eyes flash down to Mary’s tambourine and, to some people, including me, I see that quick flash of anger that She ioccasionally displays. There are those Who think We’re just looking for trouble, but I swear we’re not. Well, I’M not anyway. Anyway, it starts at 1:35 - See what you think… there’s no right or wrong answer.

https://youtu.be/Itn438i30hk

oh that's a fun performance to examine

at 0:50 you'll notice that Diana had moved a bit too far stage right. she quickly glances down and then shifts a little to stage left. my assumption is that she slightly walked passed her mark on the stage floor. she needed to be at the mark so that she'd be lined up for the camera shots when they start the 2nd chorus at 1:04

when Diana walks over to M and F, her pic cord is to stage left of Mary because of Diana's starting stage position. as Diana moved into the middle of the trio, she casually tugs the cord along but without being too overt with it. just gathering up more of the wire so that it's ready for her next stage movement

as Diana centers herself with the trio, i see mary and flo shift slightly while they're dancing in order to allow Diana in. but they can't spread too far apart because they need to be in the close up camera shot at 1:16. if they spread out too far, part of M and F would be cut off. I do see Diana glancing down at the end of the chorus but i don't see anything of a problem. actually i'd guess that she's looking to where her cord is as her left hand had previously been tapping against her hip. so i think she was looking to check where the cord is and start pulling it towards her

during verse 2, while the camera is focused on Diana, mary at some point steps back over the mic cord so that it'll be in front of her and ready for diana's next movement

when they hit the bridge and diana walks away from the group, her cord is now in front and will avoid any tangling under mary's heels

and then of course the wonderful earring scene! lol

[floyjoy678]

oh that's a fun performance to examine

at 0:50 you'll notice that Diana had moved a bit too far stage right. she quickly glances down and then shifts a little to stage left. my assumption is that she slightly walked passed her mark on the stage floor. she needed to be at the mark so that she'd be lined up for the camera shots when they start the 2nd chorus at 1:04

when Diana walks over to M and F, her pic cord is to stage left of Mary because of Diana's starting stage position. as Diana moved into the middle of the trio, she casually tugs the cord along but without being too overt with it. just gathering up more of the wire so that it's ready for her next stage movement

as Diana centers herself with the trio, i see mary and flo shift slightly while they're dancing in order to allow Diana in. but they can't spread too far apart because they need to be in the close up camera shot at 1:16. if they spread out too far, part of M and F would be cut off. I do see Diana glancing down at the end of the chorus but i don't see anything of a problem. actually i'd guess that she's looking to where her cord is as her left hand had previously been tapping against her hip. so i think she was looking to check where the cord is and start pulling it towards her

during verse 2, while the camera is focused on Diana, mary at some point steps back over the mic cord so that it'll be in front of her and ready for diana's next movement

when they hit the bridge and diana walks away from the group, her cord is now in front and will avoid any tangling under mary's heels

and then of course the wonderful earring scene! lol

I was always just mesmerized at how amazing this performance was that I never noticed any of the subtle stuff lol. Every single time I see this clip I feel that way especially that shot of Diana slowly walking to join Flo and Mary in the forefront.

I did notice as Diana gets up to them, Flo looks over at her almost as if she forgot Diana was to join them and steps over quickly. Let's be honest here Diana was so skinny she really didn't need that much room to begin with 😄

[floyjoy678]

Also I said earlier that Flo had walking pneumonia for Hollywood Palace but it was actually this Sullivan appearance as she caught while in the Orient I believe and this Sullivan clip was just days after they returned.

[sup_fan]

I was always just mesmerized at how amazing this performance was that I never noticed any of the subtle stuff lol. Every single time I see this clip I feel that way especially that shot of Diana slowly walking to join Flo and Mary in the forefront.

I did notice as Diana gets up to them, Flo looks over at her almost as if she forgot Diana was to join them and steps over quickly. Let's be honest here Diana was so skinny she really didn't need that much room to begin with ��

Flo's awkwardness was part of their overall appeal. M and D were just perfect in their stage movements. like perfectly beautiful little wind up dolls. Flo was the folksy personality within the group and that helped make them relatable. she might slightly flub a movement or something.

there's a spot in the ending of the R&H special when the whole cast sings Mountain Greenery together.

Petula walks over the group and holds off the song and when the girls "three crazy people together" Diana makes a goofy movement as does Mary who also points to F and D. Flo looks over and breaks a huge smile. It's such a natural reaction and wonderful. you get a sense that these girls are the best of friends and D and M are having fun hamming it up and Flo giggle at her silly friends.

and at the very end at 1:36, when the Sups do their last line D or M does something again and Flo looks over and smiles. I can't exactly tell what they did but it's definitely noticeable.

I don't think i'd refer to these moments as "breaking character." For me, breaking character would be Flo saying "oh for fuck's sake - shut up!" lolol or being mad or something like that. Flo's character was the down home girl that really was your sister or friend from school. even if she was famous and rich. it was part of the 3 personalities of the original Sups that Mary talks about and how together they created the perfect personality

[khansperac]

Florence was nothing short of Supreme when she was in the group/ performing. I doubt anyone looking at her thought she was folksy. I also don’t think anyone watching her thought she wasn’t as smooth as Diana and Mary. Fans nit pick, magnify things, and spin narratives.

[floyjoy678]

Flo's awkwardness was part of their overall appeal. M and D were just perfect in their stage movements. like perfectly beautiful little wind up dolls. Flo was the folksy personality within the group and that helped make them relatable. she might slightly flub a movement or something.

there's a spot in the ending of the R&H special when the whole cast sings Mountain Greenery together.

Petula walks over the group and holds off the song and when the girls "three crazy people together" Diana makes a goofy movement as does Mary who also points to F and D. Flo looks over and breaks a huge smile. It's such a natural reaction and wonderful. you get a sense that these girls are the best of friends and D and M are having fun hamming it up and Flo giggle at her silly friends.

and at the very end at 1:36, when the Sups do their last line D or M does something again and Flo looks over and smiles. I can't exactly tell what they did but it's definitely noticeable.

I don't think i'd refer to these moments as "breaking character." For me, breaking character would be Flo saying "oh for fuck's sake - shut up!" lolol or being mad or something like that. Flo's character was the down home girl that really was your sister or friend from school. even if she was famous and rich. it was part of the 3 personalities of the original Sups that Mary talks about and how together they created the perfect personality

Sup_fan, did you ever notice at the of when they're doing Lover on that special, Flo looks like she's on the verge of laughing and Diana looks over at her and starts laughing. Almost like there's some inside joke going on that we don't know about lol.

[reese]

Sup_fan, did you ever notice at the of when they're doing Lover on that special, Flo looks like she's on the verge of laughing and Diana looks over at her and starts laughing. Almost like there's some inside joke going on that we don't know about lol.

I was just getting ready to mention this. Near the end of MY ROMANCE, when they're singing the line "My most fantastic dreams come true," Flo and Diana seem to be sharing a secret laugh. Not sure what it was about it but it is nice to see those moments because there is always so much concentration on the sad stuff.

There is another short spot at the end of the show when they are singing MOUNTAIN GREENERY. Right at the end of the song, the Supremes are supposed to sing a quick line between those of Bobby Darin and Petula Clark. They do sing it but Flo kinds of gives a smiling look to Diana and Mary that she's amused by something. Again, really small but nice to see.

[sup_fan]

Florence was nothing short of Supreme when she was in the group/ performing. I doubt anyone looking at her thought she was folksy. I also don’t think anyone watching her thought she wasn’t as smooth as Diana and Mary. Fans nit pick, magnify things, and spin narratives.

i certainly don't mean it as disparaging. Flo had a relatability even when highly glamorous. fans and writers mention how she was always still approachable even at the height of fan. and her dry sense of humor with her stage lines. she was beautiful and glamorous but still "a regular person" versus an untouchable star

[sup_fan]

Sup_fan, did you ever notice at the of when they're doing Lover on that special, Flo looks like she's on the verge of laughing and Diana looks over at her and starts laughing. Almost like there's some inside joke going on that we don't know about lol.

Flo definitely very animated during this program. there's a lot of wonderful group interaction and interplay. again they seem to really be enjoying things. not that they looked dull an listless on other programs. it's just they're even more perky here

i know they'd done a lot of tv by this point but weren't those mostly regularly scheduled programs? sure they did specialty songs on Red Skelton, Dean Martin, Sullivan, etc. But in summer of 66 they seemed to go to the next level.

Wasn't R&H the first tv special they appeared on? so that was a big deal. and in July when they were on Mike Douglas, they were co-hosts. not just guests. and then in Sept they were off to the Orient - the first motown group to travel there. wonder if they knew Berry was hiring the cameraman to film the trip? wasn't that Orient footage intended for a tv special too?

[TheMotownManiac]

I wonder if we're being trolled. I'll not abide by any poster referencing 'nasty Supremes': each of the Supremes was a talented and determined lady who contributed greatly to American popular culture.


‘’I believe we are, And I believe I know who it is call someone who thinks he’s a far above this forum, but can’t look away. I should’ve recognized his work sooner. I won’t be responding to him anymore.

[TheMotownManiac]

oh that's a fun performance to examine

at 0:50 you'll notice that Diana had moved a bit too far stage right. she quickly glances down and then shifts a little to stage left. my assumption is that she slightly walked passed her mark on the stage floor. she needed to be at the mark so that she'd be lined up for the camera shots when they start the 2nd chorus at 1:04

when Diana walks over to M and F, her pic cord is to stage left of Mary because of Diana's starting stage position. as Diana moved into the middle of the trio, she casually tugs the cord along but without being too overt with it. just gathering up more of the wire so that it's ready for her next stage movement

as Diana centers herself with the trio, i see mary and flo shift slightly while they're dancing in order to allow Diana in. but they can't spread too far apart because they need to be in the close up camera shot at 1:16. if they spread out too far, part of M and F would be cut off. I do see Diana glancing down at the end of the chorus but i don't see anything of a problem. actually i'd guess that she's looking to where her cord is as her left hand had previously been tapping against her hip. so i think she was looking to check where the cord is and start pulling it towards her

during verse 2, while the camera is focused on Diana, mary at some point steps back over the mic cord so that it'll be in front of her and ready for diana's next movement

when they hit the bridge and diana walks away from the group, her cord is now in front and will avoid any tangling under mary's heels

and then of course the wonderful earring scene! lol

i’ve always wondered if diana was being directed to move over or if she was off her mark initially but it doesn’t look like it As she is framed perfectly in front of that window- or I think that the lighting wasn’t correct because she moves over where is her face is in for light.

There is certainly a lot to look at here! Of course the earring couch is just the most brilliant thing ever, but I also love how she gets rid of it during her bow. There’s no one like her and there never will be!

[sup_fan]

i’ve always wondered if diana was being directed to move over or if she was off her mark initially but it doesn’t look like it As she is framed perfectly in front of that window- or I think that the lighting wasn’t correct because she moves over where is her face is in for light.

There is certainly a lot to look at here! Of course the earring couch is just the most brilliant thing ever, but I also love how she gets rid of it during her bow. There’s no one like her and there never will be!

i think if Diana had stayed at her spot at 0:48 instead of shifting at 0:50, then she possibly wouldn't have been lined up right for the first group shot. she might have been more hidden by Flo. it wouldn't have been disaster but it would have impacted the moment just the same. And you're right about lighting too. all of this was carefully and clearly planned out during rehearsals so that during the live broadcast it would be perfect.

YCHL is my all time fav Sup song so i've watched this clip a billion times. I got a great quality bootleg vhs tape back in the 90s of every Sup appearance on Sullivan. loved it!

[sup_fan]

i’ve always wondered if diana was being directed to move over or if she was off her mark initially but it doesn’t look like it As she is framed perfectly in front of that window- or I think that the lighting wasn’t correct because she moves over where is her face is in for light.

There is certainly a lot to look at here! Of course the earring couch is just the most brilliant thing ever, but I also love how she gets rid of it during her bow. There’s no one like her and there never will be!

given the amount of times i've watched and examined this clip, it seems to me that this has the most of the little tidbits and nuances like we've discussed. sure there's the Mike Douglas clip where diana messes up the Symphony lyric or when she slips during the tap dance routine later on Sullivan. but this segment has so many little things to notice :)

[nomis]

I wonder if we're being trolled. I'll not abide by any poster referencing 'nasty Supremes': each of the Supremes was a talented and determined lady who contributed greatly to American popular culture.

i think we are.. thou whats its supposed to achieve i have no idea..things had been good on here recently I hope it stays that way.

[PeaceNHarmony]

i think we are.. thou whats its supposed to achieve i have no idea..things had been good on here recently I hope it stays that way.I as well! I'll choose to ignore this member from now on -

[RanRan79]

I have no intention of re-watching Supremes performances to look for negative shit that I personally don't believe exists. I've said in this forum before, as others have said as well, that it's a testament to the group's professionalism that when things may have been tense backstage, on stage, and when the cameras were rolling, no one would have ever known. However, I'm going to have to pull up the performances of "Hurry", "Lover" and "My Romance" and the others and check out these cute little moments you all have noticed.

In regards to Flo's awkwardness, I've never thought of her as that way or thought she came across that way. But every now and then, of the three of them, she appears to be the one who missteps the choreography more than the other two, and I always attribute that to the fact that it is said that Flo could not dance. Which brings me to some of her moves which, while not out of step with the choreography, are not as rhythmically smooth as the other two. Well shit, I guess that is awkward isn't it? Okay, maybe Sup has a point. [[Ugh, how I hate to say that!:p)

Of the three of them I've always seen Mary as more of the girl next door. She's bubbly and bouncy, full of life, fun. Flo comes across very regal, as Diana put it. She's the adult in the group, the real woman. There's a fun-ness about her, but also an air of she doesn't get too carried away, like Mary does.:cool: She's a woman of the world. And Diana seems to embody them both, with an extra added chicness and, believe it or not, a bit of coyness to her. That's how I see them, anyway.

[sup_fan]

[QUOTE=RanRan79;620977Well shit, I guess that is awkward isn't it? Okay, maybe Sup has a point. [[Ugh, how I hate to say that!:p)[/QUOTE]


Haha!!! Victory is mine!!! lololol

[sup_fan]

Of the three of them I've always seen Mary as more of the girl next door. She's bubbly and bouncy, full of life, fun. Flo comes across very regal, as Diana put it. She's the adult in the group, the real woman. There's a fun-ness about her, but also an air of she doesn't get too carried away, like Mary does.:cool: She's a woman of the world. And Diana seems to embody them both, with an extra added chicness and, believe it or not, a bit of coyness to her. That's how I see them, anyway.

i see the originals as:

Mary - the prom/beauty queen. the most popular and nice girl on campus with an infectious smile and just likes everyone. her warm contra alto is a smooth and luxurious as her personality. Her smoothness comes through in her perfectly executed choreography. always on the beat and flawless

Flo - statuesque. stately and commanding, especially when she hits those high final notes of a performance with arms up in the air. there's a warmth to her personality which makes her feel like she's a good friend of each and every person in the audience. But her impish smile and sparkle in her eye makes you know that she isn't a little girl. or like in Good News, you KNOW there was a celebration once she and her man were alone.

Diana - the bubbliest personality. those eyes are literally hypnotic. and the most electric smile known to man. all of this combined with her eagerness means she's the shining diamond set against the richest most luxurious backdrop of M and F.

[nomis]

one appearance where Mary dosent look happy at all - "My World Is Empty" on "Anatomy Of Pop"..maybe its just me and shes projecting the mood of the song - if she is shes doing it well..but Ive always thought she was unhappy on this particular taping

[floyjoy678]

one appearance where Mary dosent look happy at all - "My World Is Empty" on "Anatomy Of Pop"..maybe its just me and shes projecting the mood of the song - if she is shes doing it well..but Ive always thought she was unhappy on this particular taping

You wanna see Mary looking unhappy, watch their Shindig appearance from March 1965. In the three songs they perform, I don't think she smiles once which is unusual for her. This was right before they left for the UK tour and I remember Diana saying they weren't getting along at that time and had to regroup before they left.

[thanxal]

I wonder if we're being trolled. I'll not abide by any poster referencing 'nasty Supremes': each of the Supremes was a talented and determined lady who contributed greatly to American popular culture.
Do note there have been more than a few "new" members or ones with very low post counts lately who join conversations as if they've been in them for the last 11 years. I don't think we're in another "dianaross.freeforums.net" situation... yet. Remember that fun?

[RanRan79]

Haha!!! Victory is mine!!! lololol

Enjoy it while it lasts.:cool:

[RanRan79]

i see the originals as:

Mary - the prom/beauty queen. the most popular and nice girl on campus with an infectious smile and just likes everyone. her warm contra alto is a smooth and luxurious as her personality. Her smoothness comes through in her perfectly executed choreography. always on the beat and flawless

Flo - statuesque. stately and commanding, especially when she hits those high final notes of a performance with arms up in the air. there's a warmth to her personality which makes her feel like she's a good friend of each and every person in the audience. But her impish smile and sparkle in her eye makes you know that she isn't a little girl. or like in Good News, you KNOW there was a celebration once she and her man were alone.

Diana - the bubbliest personality. those eyes are literally hypnotic. and the most electric smile known to man. all of this combined with her eagerness means she's the shining diamond set against the richest most luxurious backdrop of M and F.

I imagine if all of us fans wrote down how we viewed each lady, most, if not all, the responses would be different.

[RanRan79]

Do note there have been more than a few "new" members or ones with very low post counts lately who join conversations as if they've been in them for the last 11 years.

Yes and it's so obvious. At this point there isn't even a desire to hide it and people interact with them like they don't see it. And they "all" have one thing in common. I believe there's a way of putting a stop to this crap but leadership prefers to let it be. Would be interesting if IPs were banned and see which names never crop up again.


I don't think we're in another "dianaross.freeforums.net" situation... yet. Remember that fun?

Oh man, I remember that. I googled my screename once and a post in that forum came up that accused you and I of PMing each other to complain about the drama, or something to that effect. Lol

[floyjoy678]

Yes and it's so obvious. At this point there isn't even a desire to hide it and people interact with them like they don't see it. And they "all" have one thing in common.

Yeah I detected it almost immediately lol and its the hard-core Diana fans [[I haven't nothing against youse) that don't see it because all the new members all seem to praise her.

[nomis]

Yes and it's so obvious. At this point there isn't even a desire to hide it and people interact with them like they don't see it. And they "all" have one thing in common. I believe there's a way of putting a stop to this crap but leadership prefers to let it be. Would be interesting if IPs were banned and see which names never crop up again.



Oh man, I remember that. I googled my screename once and a post in that forum came up that accused you and I of PMing each other to complain about the drama, or something to that effect. Lol

whoa..hold the phone a minute..are you trying to tell me someone used your forum names in another forum ??..thats insane,some what creepy, sinister and bat shit cray...

[RanRan79]

Yeah I detected it almost immediately lol and its the hard-core Diana fans [[I haven't nothing against youse) that don't see it because all the new members all seem to praise her.

I backed off because it was just too much. I have to apologize to some of the regulars who campaigned for the DRATS section separate from the main Motown forum. I could never understand why they were so pissed that there were so many Supremes and Diana Ross threads. If they didn't care, don't read the thread. And if there's a topic they'd rather discuss, then start it and mind ya business. I get it now. I see some of the none Diana Ross threads have gotten lost in the midst of the billions of Diana threads. I tried to bring some of them back to the forefront but they were quickly knocked back down by a plethra of new Ross threads and I just gave up. With Marv gone, who at least would make sure Mary threads were well represented, and Mary now gone, limiting what can be discussed in relation to her, I guess this is the new normal. "Diana Ross And Maybe A Little Supremes" could be the new name. I love Diana but there's only so much I can discuss about her in one sitting. There's nine Supremes. Would be nice to have more varied discussions.

[RanRan79]

whoa..hold the phone a minute..are you trying to tell me someone used your forum names in another forum ??..thats insane,some what creepy, sinister and bat shit cray...

Well there were people in SD who complained that accounts had shown up on that crazy site with their screennames. But what I was referencing was the time I Googled my screename and it came up in that other forum where someone had written that me and Thanxal were complaining to Ralph and PMing each other about all the mess that was going on. Something like that. But no, as far as I know nobody "stole" my name and used it over there.

[nomis]

Well there were people in SD who complained that accounts had shown up on that crazy site with their screennames. But what I was referencing was the time I Googled my screename and it came up in that other forum where someone had written that me and Thanxal were complaining to Ralph and PMing each other about all the mess that was going on. Something like that. But no, as far as I know nobody "stole" my name and used it over there. right..I get it thanks ranran

[nomis]

I have somewhere the book called " a really big show" all about the ed sullivan show it's full of black and white pics of many of the well known performers who graced the sullivan stage

[TheMotownManiac]

given the amount of times i've watched and examined this clip, it seems to me that this has the most of the little tidbits and nuances like we've discussed. sure there's the Mike Douglas clip where diana messes up the Symphony lyric or when she slips during the tap dance routine later on Sullivan. but this segment has so many little things to notice :)


given the amount of times i've watched and examined this clip, it seems to me that this has the most of the little tidbits and nuances like we've discussed. sure there's the Mike Douglas clip where diana messes up the Symphony lyric or when she slips during the tap dance routine later on Sullivan. but this segment has so many little things to notice :)

I love the symphony lyric mishap because, like the ear ring catch, it shows Ross’ innate, cunning, show biz survival instinct that I admire so much. Plus, she looks amazing - that’s my favorite hair up until you can’t hurry love sullivan hair. I didn’t notice the mic cord until you pointed it out so thank you! I love that performance so much and I remember it so well - I loved seeing them with the tambourines And the smile on Flo’s face when she’s doing that little twist movement with her hips. I often concentrate on her when I’m watching a clip because I find little things that she does that just make me love her even more. Another favorite moment, is when Diana is singing forever came today I need Sullivan and that little face she makes after “your touch” and “ said you needed me” I can’t tell you how much I love that little face she makes, and this is after she comes in too early after the clapping break and catches herself. She does that on The Boss on Carson, muffs lines lipping and then smiles a big smile. Mary and Diana are off during Bringing In The Sheaves and Mary kicks the back of Ross’ foot..... It’s live performance. I used to do a lot of theater And there were often little mistakes. In Charlie Brown one day, Lucy came in doing the wrong scene it took me forever to get her back on track. We had done that scene 100 times and this time she thought it was our scene in the second act. Once in a while in the Fantasticks, during this one song we would do a turn and do this step and I would realize that I was on the wrong foot. I’m sure I did that half a dozen times. What I admire about the girls is that 99% of their mistakes were on brand new material End it isn’t always easy to learn a song, new blocking, costuming and last minute stage directions in just a few days. But it’s fun!

[TheMotownManiac]

I have no intention of re-watching Supremes performances to look for negative shit that I personally don't believe exists. I've said in this forum before, as others have said as well, that it's a testament to the group's professionalism that when things may have been tense backstage, on stage, and when the cameras were rolling, no one would have ever known. However, I'm going to have to pull up the performances of "Hurry", "Lover" and "My Romance" and the others and check out these cute little moments you all have noticed.

In regards to Flo's awkwardness, I've never thought of her as that way or thought she came across that way. But every now and then, of the three of them, she appears to be the one who missteps the choreography more than the other two, and I always attribute that to the fact that it is said that Flo could not dance. Which brings me to some of her moves which, while not out of step with the choreography, are not as rhythmically smooth as the other two. Well shit, I guess that is awkward isn't it? Okay, maybe Sup has a point. [[Ugh, how I hate to say that!:p)

Of the three of them I've always seen Mary as more of the girl next door. She's bubbly and bouncy, full of life, fun. Flo comes across very regal, as Diana put it. She's the adult in the group, the real woman. There's a fun-ness about her, but also an air of she doesn't get too carried away, like Mary does.:cool: She's a woman of the world. And Diana seems to embody them both, with an extra added chicness and, believe it or not, a bit of coyness to her. That's how I see them, anyway.

I don’t think of Florence as being awkward either, she was just more down to earth and a little less show-bizzy and I think that was part of her charm. She was like the fun, cute girl next-door. She does have a problem when she’s lipping songs - sometimes you will see her completely blowing several words and just smiling through it. You will see it when you watch the Rogers and Hart special. I’m sure it annoyed Gordy, and may be the girls as well, but I never saw her do anything on stage or on television that I didn’t absolutely love. I’m really sorry you never got to see the original trio because nothing you can read can do justice to the Socko punch that those three girls brought to the stage. I’ve said before that I think the story of the Supremes, like smoky said would’ve been essentially the same with Diana and any two girls, but that’s not true. They would never have been that good, these girls were all special. I do think that ultimately, their story would’ve been very similar, but when I think of any Vandellas For example, replacing Mary and Florence, it wouldn’t even have been close. Someday I hope some quality live footage will pop up somewhere that shows them and gives them their due.

[sup_fan]

I love the symphony lyric mishap because, like the ear ring catch, it shows Ross’ innate, cunning, show biz survival instinct that I admire so much. Plus, she looks amazing - that’s my favorite hair up until you can’t hurry love sullivan hair. I didn’t notice the mic cord until you pointed it out so thank you! I love that performance so much and I remember it so well - I loved seeing them with the tambourines And the smile on Flo’s face when she’s doing that little twist movement with her hips. I often concentrate on her when I’m watching a clip because I find little things that she does that just make me love her even more. Another favorite moment, is when Diana is singing forever came today I need Sullivan and that little face she makes after “your touch” and “ said you needed me” I can’t tell you how much I love that little face she makes, and this is after she comes in too early after the clapping break and catches herself. She does that on The Boss on Carson, muffs lines lipping and then smiles a big smile. Mary and Diana are off during Bringing In The Sheaves and Mary kicks the back of Ross’ foot..... It’s live performance. I used to do a lot of theater And there were often little mistakes. In Charlie Brown one day, Lucy came in doing the wrong scene it took me forever to get her back on track. We had done that scene 100 times and this time she thought it was our scene in the second act. Once in a while in the Fantasticks, during this one song we would do a turn and do this step and I would realize that I was on the wrong foot. I’m sure I did that half a dozen times. What I admire about the girls is that 99% of their mistakes were on brand new material End it isn’t always easy to learn a song, new blocking, costuming and last minute stage directions in just a few days. But it’s fun!

since this sullivan YCHL clip is probably my fav Sup live clip, i've watched it a million times. some times i'll watch and solely focus on Diana, then rewind and solely focus on M or F. I can practically watch the entire clip in my head and even each girl. i've just committed it so clearly to memory.

i think it was the MSS clip in Montreau where there is some stepping on things. the girls have these sheer scarves during the HE production and at one point they're dragging them across the stage slowly and someone steps on someone else's scarf. and occasionally the mic cords get tangled a bit or stepped on.

but i think that was part of their excellent training. using hand mics, learning how to handle the cords subtly. For their Walking routine i imagine when they would "walk" around the stage in the choreography they had that mapped out pretty precisely specifically so they wouldn't knot their cords all up. i don't think the girls just randomly meandered all over the stage

[lucky2012]

Yeah I detected it almost immediately lol and its the hard-core Diana fans [[I haven't nothing against youse) that don't see it because all the new members all seem to praise her.
A Diana fan here, and I detected it almost immediately, too. Crazy sounds and smells crazy no matter how they try to hide it. I've ignored them and this is all I will comment about them. :rolleyes::[[

[lucky2012]

Yeah I detected it almost immediately lol and its the hard-core Diana fans [[I haven't nothing against youse) that don't see it because all the new members all seem to praise her.
A Diana fan here, and I detected it almost immediately, too. Crazy sounds and smells crazy no matter how they try to hide it. I've ignored them and this is all I will comment about them. :rolleyes: :[[

[khansperac]

There will be another Supreme episode tomorrow. Ethel Merman will also appear. Anyone know what songs the Supremes will sing?

[reese]

There will be another Supreme episode tomorrow. Ethel Merman will also appear. Anyone know what songs the Supremes will sing?

Could be the 1966 episode where they did YOU CAN'T HURRY LOVE and the Symphony Medley.

[marybrewster]

Or the Irving Berlin tribute where the Supremes and Ethel share a song?

[khansperac]

“The girls” will be featured on tonight’s episode. This episode they are billed as Diana Ross and the Supremes. Don’t know if this series is in chronological order, or if it’s a random episode. Also appearing are Connie Francis, the Muppets, Johnny Mathis and Bing Crosby [[White Christmas)…..don’t know why Bing is billed that way. Is it a Christmas episode? Anyone know what the Supremes sing?

[TheMotownManiac]

“The girls” will be featured on tonight’s episode. This episode they are billed as Diana Ross and the Supremes. Don’t know if this series is in chronological order, or if it’s a random episode. Also appearing are Connie Francis, the Muppets, Johnny Mathis and Bing Crosby [[White Christmas)…..don’t know why Bing is billed that way. Is it a Christmas episode? Anyone know what the Supremes sing?

im pretty sure it’s a hybrid Christmas program. Expect My Favorite Things

[JohnnyB]

im pretty sure it’s a hybrid Christmas program. Expect My Favorite Things

1968 - Forever Came Today!

[milven]

1968 - Forever Came Today!

and a fats waller medley no bing crosby

[jim aka jtigre99]

I enjoy seeing these clips. I know I am in the minority here because I became a Supremes fan in 1970. Up The Ladder To The Roof was the first record I ever bought. Seeing the pre-1970 clips are interesting to watch. In the 1970's, I followed both the Supremes and Diana Ross. I liked them both. I only knew Florence through going back and buying older records and seeing these old clips. I know I am in the minority but I find all of the former members of the Supremes to be quite talented in their own right. I enjoy all of the You Tube clips of the group showing all of the members from start to finish.

[khansperac]

The Supremes are on again tonight. James Brown is also on. I know it’s late notice, but what do they sing?

[reese]

The Supremes are on again tonight. James Brown is also on. I know it’s late notice, but what do they sing?

Maybe LOVE IS LIKE AN ITCHING IN MY HEART and MORE.

[marybrewster]

The supremes performances I just can't watch anymore and I can't stand are when they do You're Nobody Until Somebody loves you. Diana Ross is trying to sing an uplifting positive message to the audience and those nasty Supremes are interrupting with smart ass, uppity comments and making fun of her or stepping in front of her trying to hog the attention. Or giving shady looks to each other. This drives me up the wall. If they didn't like Diana Ross singing such a positive message they should have quit the group. I no longer watch those performances, I can't take it. I want to jump into a time machine and give Diana Ross a hug and tell her she will be free of those no good player hating supremes.

Are you for real? Lol.

[Spreadinglove21]

Are you for real? Lol.

At the time I posted that, no I wasn't being real. I was trying to be like After you, except more fanatical but with better use of punctuation. I got called out by a few people about that as they saw through the ruse. I thought I could leave or just stick around and try to make a more worthy contribution around here by sharing my real thoughts and ideas.

That being said, I remembered when the box set came out and the end of the second disc included the group intros and a performance of "You're Nobody". A few die hard Ross fans on Yahoo groups were upset about Flo's interruptions and thought she was being uppity. And a few Flo fans were sure Diana, when muttering after one Flo's remarks, was saying something insulting about Flo. Hopefully by now all who hear or see a performance of "You're Nobody" knows that it was stage patter that they did every night as part of the show. It is interesting that those who put together the Supremes show threw in a bit of a "catfight" element.

[ejluther]

I LIVE for the earring catch - amazing! As for Sullivan appearances, never a bad one and, in their own ways, each one a classic! But my heart will forever belong to “Love Is Like An Itchin’ in my Heart” - as it’s simply, well, supreme! I have several favorite moments but the two big ones are when Diana coyly purrs, “oh, yeah” after “But whatcha goin’ do?” @ 01:23 and that last chorus after she takes a big breath @ 2:30 - she is on fire and full of soul magic! Chills, I tell ya…chills!
https://youtu.be/5ks_VisXPOc

https://youtu.be/5ks_VisXPOc

[khansperac]

Maybe LOVE IS LIKE AN ITCHING IN MY HEART and MORE.

Thanks for responding. I finally got around to watching. You were correct.

[khansperac]

The Supremes are on tonight’s show. Also appearing are Johnny Mathis, Henry Mancini, Burns and Schreiber.

[detmotownguy]

Thanks for posting. The ladies really rock Itching. The band or backing track is fantastic. Mary was so into it...cool how Diana says, "Go Mary". There will NEVER EVER be any phenomenon
like the Supremes. Perfection.

QUOTE=ejluther;657605]I LIVE for the earring catch - amazing! As for Sullivan appearances, never a bad one and, in their own ways, each one a classic! But my heart will forever belong to “Love Is Like An Itchin’ in my Heart” - as it’s simply, well, supreme! I have several favorite moments but the two big ones are when Diana coyly purrs, “oh, yeah” after “But whatcha goin’ do?” @ 01:23 and that last chorus after she takes a big breath @ 2:30 - she is on fire and full of soul magic! Chills, I tell ya…chills!
https://youtu.be/5ks_VisXPOc

https://youtu.be/5ks_VisXPOc[/QUOTE]