Pictures from unknown tv shows

[Laurent]

Hi Guys,
Considering the confined situation most of us are in, I thought that an amusing pastime could be to discuss about pictures of Diana Ross and the Supremes that are related to TV shows but to which we don’t know what show they’re from.

Therefore I completed a page on the website [[direct link : )


http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV60Unknown.htm


which now contains 12 unknown tv shows from the 60s you can all help to find out.
Good trip back to memory lane, your scrabooks... or else, and have fun!

[marv2]

Ok, Laurent and thank you. You always seem to come up with interesting topics for threads.

[marv2]

I have no clue about pictures #9 - #12.

[marv2]

Ok picture #10 may be a shot from rehearsal for their last Ed Sullivan Show appearance in 1969.

[marv2]

#12 Looks like it could be a rehearsal for the Royal Command Performance at the Palladium in 1968. I can make out Englebert Humperdink and you mentioned Petula Clark. Both were on that show.

[roger]

In Picture #12 third from the right looks suspiciously like Engelbert Humperdinck so my guess is that it was taken, possibly during rehearsals, at the 1968 Royal Variety Show in London. Petula Clark was also on the bill for that show.

www.royalvarietycharity.org/royal-variety-performance/archive/detail/1968-london-palladium

Roger

[reese]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #1: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #2: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)
Unknown #5, Series 1: A performance in Hamburg [[not sure if it is a tv show)
Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)
Unknown #10. Rehearsal shot from Diana's last appearance on Ed Sullivan [[1969)
Unknown #12. Could be a rehearsal shot from the Royal Command Performance [[1968)

[drlorne]

The thing I notice is such a difference between '65 and '67. They just catapulted...prior they could have been the Shirelles or the Vandellas, or any other group, their was a
generic, girl group look and dress. Certainly Diana Ross brought that "outherness" to the group that separated them. It's that same old question that "20 feet from Stardon" tried to answer.
In the swirl of things it's too bad that Florence wasn't able to see that she should have just held on to the meteor of DR and ridden it as Mary did, and then figure it out.

[danman869]

Unknown #8: I wonder if these photos might be from Chicago-based, local daytime talk show, "The Lee Phillip Show." [[Phillip was a Chicago TV legend and the wife of late soap opera writer/producer, William "Bill" Bell--and Phillip herself just died a few weeks ago.) Confirming this would take quite a bit of research [[those local shows didn't get documented as much as national ones did), but it might prove to be true.

[marv2]

Unknown #8: I wonder if these photos might be from Chicago-based, local daytime talk show, "The Lee Phillip Show." [[Phillip was a Chicago TV legend and the wife of late soap opera writer/producer, William "Bill" Bell--and Phillip herself just died a few weeks ago.) Confirming this would take quite a bit of research [[those local shows didn't get documented as much as national ones did), but it might prove to be true.

They also did a lot of local Detroit television as The Supremes and individually over the years.

[RanRan79]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)


I agree Reese. A few observations:

#4 Pretty sure that's the Shindig appearance where they sang "Where Did Our Love Go" and some other stuff.

#5 Series 1 It took me a minute to realize that the photo of Mary doing the "stop" gesture is just an enlarged portion of the photo next to it where the group is clearly performing "Stop". Prior to the realization I thought that it was a photo of Mary saying she didn't want her picture taken, and she looks quite pissed.;)

#5 Series 2 Flo's "fat" period is said to be late 66-well into 67, but I've always thought that if there was ever a time during the Supremes that Flo seemed a bit heavier than usual, it was this brief time in early 65. There's a performance of "Stop" from this period on Shindig that I always thought Flo looks rather chubby. These photos are not changing my mind.

#5 Series 3 I wonder if that's Diana's actual hair and not a wig?

#8 Diana looks like she's going to a funeral.

[RanRan79]

The thing I notice is such a difference between '65 and '67. They just catapulted...prior they could have been the Shirelles or the Vandellas, or any other group, their was a
generic, girl group look and dress. Certainly Diana Ross brought that "outherness" to the group that separated them. It's that same old question that "20 feet from Stardon" tried to answer.
In the swirl of things it's too bad that Florence wasn't able to see that she should have just held on to the meteor of DR and ridden it as Mary did, and then figure it out.

Yeah, looks wise the Supremes were following girl group trends instead of setting them. [[Hence the stories about the Supremes "stealing" wardrobe looks from Martha and the Vandellas and Patti and the Bluebelles.) At some point in 1965 that changed and the other groups were trying to look like the Supremes, usually without success. There was something just right about the Supremes and the looks they chose, although I must admit I'm a bit biased.:cool:

Regarding Florence, she was apparently a woman who valued respect over going along to get along. And in this day in age where respect- both of self and others-, ethics and boundaries seem to be a lost way of life, I'm proud of Flo for standing up for herself, even if I sometimes have a problem with the way she chose to do it. As the Supremes once sang, "Money isn't everything...".

[TYK1986]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #1: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #2: Thank Your Lucky Stars
Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)
Unknown #5, Series 1: A performance in Hamburg [[not sure if it is a tv show)
Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)
Unknown #10. Rehearsal shot from Diana's last appearance on Ed Sullivan [[1969)
Unknown #12. Could be a rehearsal shot from the Royal Command Performance [[1968)

I think you are right about number 12 Royal Command Performance. Diana is wearing her own clothing so probably rehearsal. The person on the site says it's Mary next to her but I think it's Cindy. She's wearing dress from that performance. Also pictures of the royals meeting the Supremes show Petula Clark on some and the third guy from the left [[no idea who he is). Other rehearsal photo's online show the same diamond pattern in the background.

[reese]

I think you are right about number 12 Royal Command Performance. Diana is wearing her own clothing so probably rehearsal. The person on the site says it's Mary next to her but I think it's Cindy. She's wearing dress from that performance. Also pictures of the royals meeting the Supremes show Petula Clark on some and the third guy from the left [[no idea who he is). Other rehearsal photo's online show the same diamond pattern in the background.

To me, it looks like Mary [[in her costume) standing next to Diana. She is even wearing the long wig that you can see in photos from the actual performance as well as when they are standing in the receiving line.

[Circa 1824]

Leslie Gore is in one of those pics.

[blue_whippet]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

[marv2]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

Great information! Thank you Blue_whippet.

[detmotownguy]

Hi Guys,
Considering the confined situation most of us are in, I thought that an amusing pastime could be to discuss about pictures of Diana Ross and the Supremes that are related to TV shows but to which we don’t know what show they’re from.

Therefore I completed a page on the website [[direct link : )


http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV60Unknown.htm


which now contains 12 unknown tv shows from the 60s you can all help to find out.
Good trip back to memory lane, your scrabooks... or else, and have fun!

These photos def shows Flo’s extra 3” in height @ 5’7” contrasting Mary and Diana’s @ 5’4”.

[RanRan79]

These photos def shows Flo’s extra 3” in height @ 5’7” contrasting Mary and Diana’s @ 5’4”.

I think Diana is 5'5, just a tad taller than Mary.

[marv2]

I think Diana is 5'5, just a tad taller than Mary.

Yes that's true. Mary was the shortest. Now, could you imagine Flo on stage singing with Scherrie & Susaye? Jean was pretty tall too. She would tower over the last two Supremes. LOL!

[Laurent]

Thank you all for your interesting information. It also gives me great avenues to follow... and I might come back with other questions... :)

[Laurent]

Ok picture #10 may be a shot from rehearsal for their last Ed Sullivan Show appearance in 1969.

Good guess I think. I checked their last Ed Sullivan and they wear apparently the same wigs. They also have the same position at one moment during Someday We'll Be Together, so there's a very high probability you are right.

[Laurent]

In Picture #12 third from the right looks suspiciously like Engelbert Humperdinck so my guess is that it was taken, possibly during rehearsals, at the 1968 Royal Variety Show in London. Petula Clark was also on the bill for that show.

www.royalvarietycharity.org/royal-variety-performance/archive/detail/1968-london-palladium [[http://www.royalvarietycharity.org/royal-variety-performance/archive/detail/1968-london-palladium)

Roger

and so Humperdinck would be the 7th person from the left [[?). Now with his name I would recognize him there.

What I don't recognize is the set behind the people. I doesn't look like the stage of the Royal Variety show, or at least of the rehearsal photos I have, and Diana doesn't wear the same outfit than during the rehearsals [[see pics below).
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[Circa 1824]

That does NOT look like Petula Clark.

[Laurent]

That does NOT look like Petula Clark.

This picture #12 was sold on ebay and was credited as Diana Ross and Petula Clark. It's definitely her.

[marv2]

Good guess I think. I checked their last Ed Sullivan and they wear apparently the same wigs. They also have the same position at one moment during Someday We'll Be Together, so there's a very high probability you are right.

Thanks Laurent. I am pretty sure that is a shot from rehearsals next door to the Ed Sullivan Theater.

[Laurent]

#12 Looks like it could be a rehearsal for the Royal Command Performance at the Palladium in 1968. I can make out Englebert Humperdink and you mentioned Petula Clark. Both were on that show.

OK, I just found this pic which prooves that #12 is from the rehearsal of the Royal Command Performance of 1968, the setting of the stage is the same. The only thing that troubles me is that they kept the same setting so long [[the pic below is from 1965).

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[marv2]

OK, I just found this pic which prooves that #12 is from the rehearsal of the Royal Command Performance of 1968, the setting of the stage is the same. The only thing that troubles me is that they kept the same setting so long [[the pic below is from 1965).

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They have to have filmed the 1968 Command Performance.

[Laurent]

They have to have filmed the 1968 Command Performance.

I think so too.

[marv2]

I think so too.

Laurent, we have to get our hands on these things! hehehehehehehehe!

[Bluebrock]

I think so too.

It was wiped immediately after broadcast sadly.

[Laurent]

It was wiped immediately after broadcast sadly.

Oh my! Too bad... really.

[Laurent]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #4: Definitely a shot from the finale of Shindig! [[1964)


OK I did some homework... I found that the last song of Shindig [[February 24, 1965 episode) is Neil Sedaka "I Go Ape" and the Supremes join the cast at the final, right when the word "shindig" appears on screan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQ6X_a5e2E
The video on youtube is not very clear but the picture #4 is definitely from this show. One more enigma solved thanks to you and Ranran79. Many thanks ! :o

[Laurent]

The year 1966 of the Supremes TVgraphy will be online pretty soon... stay tuned! ;)

[marv2]

Oh my! Too bad... really.

He doesn't know for sure. They said that about Top of the Pops and then a clip of the Supremes and Four Tops singing together surfaced in recent years. There are several vintage Royal Command Performances on Youtube ,so.......

[marv2]

The year 1966 of the Supremes TVgraphy will be online pretty soon... stay tuned! ;)

Ok, thanks Laurent. I look forward to seeing it.

[monicarivers]

Weird that some people who barely listen to the Supremes pre-1970 have so much to say here...

[reese]

OK I did some homework... I found that the last song of Shindig [[February 24, 1965 episode) is Neil Sedaka "I Go Ape" and the Supremes join the cast at the final, right when the word "shindig" appears on screan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQ6X_a5e2E
The video on youtube is not very clear but the picture #4 is definitely from this show. One more enigma solved thanks to you and Ranran79. Many thanks ! :o

Unknown #4 is from the girls' 1964 appearance on SHINDIG!

They sang BABY LOVE and COME SEE ABOUT ME. The photo was taken during the cast finale, headed by the Righteous Bros. singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU.

[Laurent]

Unknown #4 is from the girls' 1964 appearance on SHINDIG!

They sang BABY LOVE and COME SEE ABOUT ME. The photo was taken during the cast finale, headed by the Righteous Bros. singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU.

Well, I was a bit fast on this one, too happy to find something, and a double check this morning [[with a fresh new mind and eyes :o) shows that the dress the Supremes wear at the end of Shindig [[Feb 65) are sleeveless [[like the one they wore during Stop!ITNOL in the same show), to the contrary of the ones on photo #4. And the wigs they wore on shindig [[Feb 65) and #4 are not the same. The wigs on #4 look a lot more than the ones they wore on Shindig [[Nov 64).

Unfortunately I can't find a video of the final of Shindig [[Nov 64), the segment with the Righteous Brother is cut before the credits. That woul give a final proof to it.

2 Pics of the final of Shindig 65 :
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Pic Shindig Feb 65 - Stop!ITNOL :

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Reminder, unknown#4 [[to have a full size on the website only: right click on the pic):

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to compare with the wigs on Shindig [[Nov 64) :

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Thanks Reese for your correction. I'm pretty sure now that you have that one right [[but as I said, a video extract of the end of the show would put a final word to it).

[reese]

Thanks Reese for your correction. I'm pretty sure now that you have that one right [[but as I said, a video extract of the end of the show would put a final word to it).

No problem. I tried looking for the 1964 Shindig! finale on YouTube but couldn't find it.

The finale itself was shot in an interesting way. As I said, the Righteous Bros. are singing LITTLE LATIN LUPE LU. The Supremes actually back into the shot so the first thing you see is an extreme close-up of one of their outfits and they keep backing up until they reach stage right. Then they start doing some synchronized moves. It actually looked rather cool.

Just an FYI: The Supremes only appeared on Shindig! twice, once in 1964 and again in early 1965.

[Bluebrock]

Oh my! Too bad... really.

Pretty much all the 60's and early 70's Royal Variety performances were wiped. Luckily some of them were recorded on videotape by enthusiasts and have survived. It's criminal how many great shows were wiped both in the UK and the USA. Having said that i do have Aretha's appearance somewhere in my loft.

[reese]

Pretty much all the 60's and early 70's Royal Variety performances were wiped. Luckily some of them were recorded on videotape by enthusiasts and have survived. It's criminal how many great shows were wiped both in the UK and the USA. Having said that i do have Aretha's appearance somewhere in my loft.

They showed a brief clip of Aretha's appearance during her 1983 EBONY/JET SHOWCASE interview. She was singing AMAZING GRACE. I haven't seen it since.

[Bluebrock]

They showed a brief clip of Aretha's appearance during her 1983 EBONY/JET SHOWCASE interview. She was singing AMAZING GRACE. I haven't seen it since.
Yes she did do Amazing Grace and another song which currently eludes me. I haven't seen it for decades but i do have it safely stored in my loft along with 45 years worth of journals.

[reese]

Yes she did do Amazing Grace and another song which currently eludes me. I haven't seen it for decades but i do have it safely stored in my loft along with 45 years worth of journals.

In an interview, Aretha said the other song was MY SHINING HOUR. I remember at the time of the performance, there was a bit of press about it in the US because Aretha was losing weight to wear a specific dress. She also said how the Queen Mother enjoyed AMAZING GRACE so much that she had to straighten her tiara. :-)

[Laurent]

And now, as announced yesterday [[and even sooner than I expected), the year 1966 in the Supremes' TVgraphy is now online :

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/index.htm

Enjoy ! :)

[reese]

And now, as announced yesterday [[and even sooner than I expected), the year 1966 in the Supremes' TVgraphy is now online :

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/index.htm

Enjoy ! :)

Very nice!

And thanks for including the note about the non-existent "V" face block during the end of MY WORLD IS EMPTY WITHOUT YOU.

[Bluebrock]

In an interview, Aretha said the other song was MY SHINING HOUR. I remember at the time of the performance, there was a bit of press about it in the US because Aretha was losing weight to wear a specific dress. She also said how the Queen Mother enjoyed AMAZING GRACE so much that she had to straighten her tiara. :-)
I think she was quite slim at the time. I really need to find this performance.

[Laurent]

Very nice!

And thanks for including the note about the non-existent "V" face block during the end of MY WORLD IS EMPTY WITHOUT YOU.

You're welcome Reese. That note was already for long on the Timeline section of the site [[at the date Feb 20, 1966 of course). This part of the site also points out many other inacurracies found in books and other sources.

[Laurent]

I've just found by chance this TV show the Supremes were on in January 24, 1966 :

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Does anyone know what kind of show it is ? My guess would a women morning talk show [[aired at 9:00 am). The Supremes are probably interviewed [[they were right in the middle of an engagement at the Roostertail) but did they perform during this tv program by any chance ? Does anyone remember anything about this ?

ps: website already updated with this show
http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV-1966-Supremes.htm

[marv2]

I've just found by chance this TV show the Supremes were on in January 24, 1966 :

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Does anyone know what kind of show it is ? My guess would a women morning talk show [[aired at 9:00 am). The Supremes are probably interviewed [[they were right in the middle of an engagement at the Roostertail) but did they perform during this tv program by any chance ? Does anyone remember anything about this ?

ps: website already updated with this show
http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV-1966-Supremes.htm

Yes, that would have been a women's talk show like "The Virginia Graham Show" that was popular at that time. I would not have seen that particular program as I was in the Kindergarten and had to be in school during that hour. LOL!!!

[detmotownguy]

Oh good grief Marv you would have to bring up Virginia Graham! I had an aunt who we teased bc she acted just like her. A little society “like”. She lived alone in a house even bigger than ours in Indian Village with a full time maid who was always listening to the Sups and Mary Wells.

[marv2]

Oh good grief Marv you would have to bring up Virginia Graham! I had an aunt who we teased bc she acted just like her. A little society “like”. She lived alone in a house even bigger than ours in Indian Village with a full time maid who was always listening to the Sups and Mary Wells.

My mother's cousin Ella WAS Virginia Graham! LOL!!! The society ladies......hehehehehehe!

Hey DET, remember Rita Bell's Prize Movie on WXYZ, channel 7?

[detmotownguy]

Yes I do! She had quite a run in the Detroit TV arena. Classy good looking lady.

[marv2]

Yes I do! She had quite a run in the Detroit TV arena. Classy good looking lady.

She was classy. Wore those expensive, elaborate robes, I don't what you call them. She had that great,big rich lady telephone! LOL!

[Laurent]

I've found in the newspaper Miami News [[Januray 2, 1967) the same picture than the Unknown #6 photo, which confirms my guess that it was from the King Orange Jamboree with the Supremes on a float [[more precisely the Dec 31, 1966 one).
One more enigma solved !

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[marv2]

Great work Laurent!

[Laurent]

Unknown #5 is indeed Hamburg but not a TV show. It is a press show held at the Hotel Atlantic Kempinski during a quick trip over to Germany on a day off from the UK Tamla Motown revue in the UK. Itinerary, newspaper and photographs date this, coincidentally to this day in 1965 - 29th March. Later that evening, they appeared on the TV show Musik aus Studio B, returning to the UK the following day to continue with the UK tour in Manchester.

I checked photo of the Hotel Atlantic Kempiski and the photos of Unknown #5, series 1, are indeed taken in there. This confirm my guess of a showcase/press show. And now the probability that Series 2 were taken on the set of Musik Aus Studio B is very high [[and series 3 during the rehearsals).

I am impressed you knew in which hotel they were ! How did you know that ?

[Laurent]

The years 1967 of the tvgraphy is now online :
http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/

[Ollie9]

The years 1967 of the tvgraphy is now online :
http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/

A wonderfully interesting and informative place for any Ross/Supreme fan to visit.
Laurent your a ⭐️

[marv2]

That was really nice. It just seems like they did more television in 1967. It's been so long now, I can't really remember.

[Laurent]

That was really nice. It just seems like they did more television in 1967. It's been so long now, I can't really remember.

There's many more in 1968 [[24 listed in my files), mostly because of their european tours.

[marv2]

There's many more in 1968 [[24 listed in my files), mostly because of their european tours.

Thank you Laurent for sharing all of your hard work.

[Laurent]

I came across two other pictures from tv shows that I can't relate to any known show. The first one is to be compared with the unknown show # 8 at http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV60Unknown.htm

Does anybody knows who the guy is ? If the unknown # 8 pic are from the Lee Phillip show as suggested; then this one should be a Chicago show too.

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[Laurent]

Second picture. Rehearsal picture with Cindy and Mary dressed probably for a skit [[it would then rather be a national show)... [[unknown # 13 on the site)

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[reese]

Second picture. Rehearsal picture with Cindy and Mary dressed probably for a skit [[it would then rather be a national show)... [[unknown # 13 on the site)

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I believe this is the first dress rehearsal for the GREENSLEEVES / THOU SWELL number on Ed Sullivan in 1967. But the outfits were changed to the miniskirts and boots, probably because they were easier to dance in.

[blue_whippet]

I checked photo of the Hotel Atlantic Kempiski and the photos of Unknown #5, series 1, are indeed taken in there. This confirm my guess of a showcase/press show. And now the probability that Series 2 were taken on the set of Musik Aus Studio B is very high [[and series 3 during the rehearsals).

I am impressed you knew in which hotel they were ! How did you know that ?

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/motown/motortown-revue-uk-tour-1965/#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

[marv2]

I believe this is the first dress rehearsal for the GREENSLEEVES / THOU SWELL number on Ed Sullivan in 1967. But the outfits were changed to the miniskirts and boots, probably because they were easier to dance in.

Mary and Cindy look pissed! LOL!

[marv2]

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/motown/motortown-revue-uk-tour-1965/#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

You are also very good! Great work in researching that hotel.

[Laurent]

I believe this is the first dress rehearsal for the GREENSLEEVES / THOU SWELL number on Ed Sullivan in 1967. But the outfits were changed to the miniskirts and boots, probably because they were easier to dance in.

Now that you say it, the origin of the pic seems obvious! The trees with the whites sleeves in the background, of course... I must have been blind - lol. And they wear the same wigs too [[and Mary the "blond" one). I didn't know they plan to use other outfits for that number. There's always new things to learn, thank you Reese.

[blue_whippet]

Thank you. I'm just pleased to be able contribute a bit more detail to their history.

[Laurent]

Hi,
I managed to find this hotel using an approach similar to your Consolidated Gas building investigation. In this case, the photo of the Supremes on the balcony suggested a hotel overlooking a river in Hamburg. So I searched for hotels along the river and quickly came across the Atlantic Hotel. It was clear that was the one as it had a balcony with the same balustrade. This was confirmed on Wikipedia where it states that notable guests include the Supremes in March 1965 - see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Atlantic_Kempinski

I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/motown/motortown-revue-uk-tour-1965/#comment-92619

By the way, I'm super impressed with your site. I've learned so much from it. There are a few photos you identify as taken at the Star Club Hamburg, which I think possibly could be La Locomotive Club in Paris.

You really did a good job in finding this hotel.

Concerning the photo in the star club: it's one of a series I found in a mag or on the web. It was credited as taken in the Club de l'Etoile in Paris. While doing some researches, the history of this club in Paris didn't really match the context of this picture, and later I recognized on the picture Rudi Slezak [[a German working in the German music inndustry - of Aberbach GMBH Hamburg) that is also on one of the pictures with the Supremes performing at the Atlantic Hotel in Hamburg [[photo on the Unknown #3 series on the site). Morever, the Supremes wear the exact same outfits and hairdo than on a series of photos published in a German magazine at that time [[they are in the Timeline in March ~15-17, 1965) [[~ means: approximately; and I suspect they could have been taken also in March 29). To me, the photo credited at the "Club de l'Etoile" is a unnecessary translation made in the press for "Star CLub", which was a very famous club in Hambourg at the time [[still very famous for having an early performance of the Beatles there). The presence of Slezak in this picture adds a lot to the fact that it was taken in Hamburg rather than in Paris.

[Laurent]

Mary and Cindy look pissed! LOL!

and Diana doesn't look very happy either!

[blue_whippet]

You really did a good job in finding this hotel.

Concerning the photo in the star club: it's one of a series I found in a mag or on the web. It was credited as taken in the Club de l'Etoile in Paris. While doing some researches, the history of this club in Paris didn't really match the context of this picture, and later I recognized on the picture Rudi Slezak [[a German working in the German music inndustry - of Aberbach GMBH Hamburg) that is also on one of the pictures with the Supremes performing at the Atlantic Hotel in Hamburg [[photo on the Unknown #3 series on the site). Morever, the Supremes wear the exact same outfits and hairdo than on a series of photos published in a German magazine at that time [[they are in the Timeline in March ~15-17, 1965) [[~ means: approximately; and I suspect they could have been taken also in March 29). To me, the photo credited at the "Club de l'Etoile" is a unnecessary translation made in the press for "Star CLub", which was a very famous club in Hambourg at the time [[still very famous for having an early performance of the Beatles there). The presence of Slezak in this picture adds a lot to the fact that it was taken in Hamburg rather than in Paris.

Thanks for the information on the Club de l’Etoile and the possible translation for the “Star Club”. I had not heard about that before. Material found on the web however suggests that these photos may not have taken in Germany. Firstly, the colour photo in the timeline ~15-17 March 1965 has the Supremes in front of a red and green tartan or plaid background in the same outfits and wigs of the accompanying photos. Photos of Martha & the Vandellas also exist with this same background – hopefully this link will show one:
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/428756827018097903/?d=t&mt=login

There has been nothing to suggest, as far as I am aware, that the Vandellas visited Hamburg or Germany around that time.
Secondly, I had read or assumed that the photo of the Supremes being interviewed by Dutch DJ Willem Van Kooten where they have the same outfits and wigs as those in the ~15-17 March timeframe was taken during the Hamburg visit. However the details from the Dutch photo museum suggest that the photo was taken on 13th April 1965 at L’Olympia, see:
https://collectie.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/collectie/detail/5f6ffd8a-19d3-f18c-4a23-8b77522d9429

Thirdly, I have come across a series of photos from a Dutch magazine with Skip Voogd [[a Dutch radio DJ and music journalist) with the Supremes. Here we see them with the same outfits and wigs as above, together with the tartan/plaid background [[albeit in black and white). The girls are undertaking a task blindfolded. Written in Dutch, some text translates roughly as ‘after the end of their gigantic show in the Paris Olympia Theatre’.
So these photos may have been taken in Paris not Hamburg, perhaps at L’Olympia or La Locomotive, where is has been reported a party was held for the Tamla artists after the Paris show. The presence of Rudi Slezak could be explained since that the Paris event was also the launch of the European Tamla Motown label, and according to Billboard Magazine, 1st May 1965, representatives from a range of European countries including Germany were “summoned” to the concert and midnight cocktail party. However, a more detailed item on this in Cashbox 1st May 1965 does not specifically name Rudi Slezak.
Perhaps the same outfits and wigs were worn at both the Star Club and in Paris. It would help if we could find photos showing the interiors of those clubs from around that timeframe.

[marv2]

Thanks for the information on the Club de l’Etoile and the possible translation for the “Star Club”. I had not heard about that before. Material found on the web however suggests that these photos may not have taken in Germany. Firstly, the colour photo in the timeline ~15-17 March 1965 has the Supremes in front of a red and green tartan or plaid background in the same outfits and wigs of the accompanying photos. Photos of Martha & the Vandellas also exist with this same background – hopefully this link will show one:
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/428756827018097903/?d=t&mt=login

There has been nothing to suggest, as far as I am aware, that the Vandellas visited Hamburg or Germany around that time.
Secondly, I had read or assumed that the photo of the Supremes being interviewed by Dutch DJ Willem Van Kooten where they have the same outfits and wigs as those in the ~15-17 March timeframe was taken during the Hamburg visit. However the details from the Dutch photo museum suggest that the photo was taken on 13th April 1965 at L’Olympia, see:
https://collectie.nederlandsfotomuseum.nl/collectie/detail/5f6ffd8a-19d3-f18c-4a23-8b77522d9429

Thirdly, I have come across a series of photos from a Dutch magazine with Skip Voogd [[a Dutch radio DJ and music journalist) with the Supremes. Here we see them with the same outfits and wigs as above, together with the tartan/plaid background [[albeit in black and white). The girls are undertaking a task blindfolded. Written in Dutch, some text translates roughly as ‘after the end of their gigantic show in the Paris Olympia Theatre’.
So these photos may have been taken in Paris not Hamburg, perhaps at L’Olympia or La Locomotive, where is has been reported a party was held for the Tamla artists after the Paris show. The presence of Rudi Slezak could be explained since that the Paris event was also the launch of the European Tamla Motown label, and according to Billboard Magazine, 1st May 1965, representatives from a range of European countries including Germany were “summoned” to the concert and midnight cocktail party. However, a more detailed item on this in Cashbox 1st May 1965 does not specifically name Rudi Slezak.
Perhaps the same outfits and wigs were worn at both the Star Club and in Paris. It would help if we could find photos showing the interiors of those clubs from around that timeframe.

Are you able to search for specific photographs on Pinterest?

[blue_whippet]

Are you able to search for specific photographs on Pinterest?

Unfortunately not - just general image searches on Google, some of which come up on Pinterest.

However since my previous post I have also noticed two further interesting aspects to the right hand photo of the "Star Club". The gentleman behind Rudi Slezak looks like Bobby Rogers of the Miracles. He was in Paris but not in Hamburg. Also if you look very closely at the top left had side of the photo [[easier if you can enlarge the image), there is a very large poster which looks suspiciously like a photo of Martha & the Vandellas. It has been reported that large posters were displayed around Paris to publicise the revue. This could be one of those posters. Lastly in the left hand photo of the Star Club, one gentleman named as Bernhard Mikulski was in Paris according to the item in Cashbox 1st May, 1965.

The accumulated information tends to suggest the photos are from Paris rather than Hamburg. What do you think?

[marv2]

Unfortunately not - just general image searches on Google, some of which come up on Pinterest.

However since my previous post I have also noticed two further interesting aspects to the right hand photo of the "Star Club". The gentleman behind Rudi Slezak looks like Bobby Rogers of the Miracles. He was in Paris but not in Hamburg. Also if you look very closely at the top left had side of the photo [[easier if you can enlarge the image), there is a very large poster which looks suspiciously like a photo of Martha & the Vandellas. It has been reported that large posters were displayed around Paris to publicise the revue. This could be one of those posters. Lastly in the left hand photo of the Star Club, one gentleman named as Bernhard Mikulski was in Paris according to the item in Cashbox 1st May, 1965.

The accumulated information tends to suggest the photos are from Paris rather than Hamburg. What do you think?

I am going to check it out and get back to you. This is fascinating to me blue_whippet!

[marv2]

Unfortunately not - just general image searches on Google, some of which come up on Pinterest.

However since my previous post I have also noticed two further interesting aspects to the right hand photo of the "Star Club". The gentleman behind Rudi Slezak looks like Bobby Rogers of the Miracles. He was in Paris but not in Hamburg. Also if you look very closely at the top left had side of the photo [[easier if you can enlarge the image), there is a very large poster which looks suspiciously like a photo of Martha & the Vandellas. It has been reported that large posters were displayed around Paris to publicise the revue. This could be one of those posters. Lastly in the left hand photo of the Star Club, one gentleman named as Bernhard Mikulski was in Paris according to the item in Cashbox 1st May, 1965.

The accumulated information tends to suggest the photos are from Paris rather than Hamburg. What do you think?

That is Bobby Rogers standing behind Rudi Slezak. Mary's hairstyle is slightly different than from on the balcony pics. But Flo and Diane's are the same in both groups of pics. How are you sure Bobby was not also in Germany with them?

[blue_whippet]

That is Bobby Rogers standing behind Rudi Slezak. Mary's hairstyle is slightly different than from on the balcony pics. But Flo and Diane's are the same in both groups of pics. How are you sure Bobby was not also in Germany with them?

I can't be sure that Bobby wasn't in Hamburg. I'm only going on the photographic evidence and the reports in publications such as Billboard and Cashbox. As far as I am aware, there has never been any mention of other acts travelling over on that day.
Yes in the 'Star Club' photos, Mary's hairstyle has a fringe which is not there on any of the Hamburg photos. It is clearly evident, however, in many of the photos taken in Paris at various phtoshoots.

[Laurent]

...
I've discussed the Hamburg visit at length on this site:

https://songbook1.wordpress.com/fx/motown/motortown-revue-uk-tour-1965/#comment-92619


The picture you refer to on this site and that was published in the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper, is, according to your description, this one :

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and the guy next the Supremes is definitely Chris Howland :

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The information in this newspaper and the photo add a lot to the fact that Musik Aus Studio B was taped before April 1965.It also adds a lot to the fact that March 29 become the most probable date for its taping.

I also become more and more conviced that the supposed tour in Germany around March 15-17 is not the correct information. I have to check again what's exactly written in billboard, but I think they considered the fact that the Supremes were in Germany for a concert for the press and a tv show as a tour in Germany, when for me a tour is concerts in several cities of a country...

[Laurent]

However since my previous post I have also noticed two further interesting aspects to the right hand photo of the "Star Club". The gentleman behind Rudi Slezak looks like Bobby Rogers of the Miracles. He was in Paris but not in Hamburg. Also if you look very closely at the top left had side of the photo [[easier if you can enlarge the image), there is a very large poster which looks suspiciously like a photo of Martha & the Vandellas. It has been reported that large posters were displayed around Paris to publicise the revue. This could be one of those posters. Lastly in the left hand photo of the Star Club, one gentleman named as Bernhard Mikulski was in Paris according to the item in Cashbox 1st May, 1965.

The accumulated information tends to suggest the photos are from Paris rather than Hamburg. What do you think?

Effectively, all the elements you provided converge toward the conclusion that these photos where taken in Paris. I also have never seen this pix of Martha & the Vandellas, I would have been puzzled if I had. I must have been fooled by the fact that the photo was erroneously credited at the "club de l'étoile à Paris" [[There is a Club de l'Etoile in Paris but the place only took this name years after this photo, in 1985, and in 1965, it was a cinema, so the event couldn't have happened there).
Now I just found that there was actually a discotheque named L'Etoile [[and not Club de l'Etoile) [[and named now L'Arc Paris) but unfortunately no historical information has been found yet. But that would explain the credit on the photo and the fact that it was in Paris.
I've tried to find information on the Locomotive but nothing like a Motown event seems to have happened there.

Anyway, you're really good too at spotting details in pix and to provide well-reasoned arguments and it's a pleasure to have this discussion.

[Laurent]

Not sure of some of these but I think:

Unknown #9: Sunday Night at the Palladium [[1968)



I have finay fund a proof that Unknown # 9 is from the London Palladium show. They wear the same wigs on the two pictures. So Reese, your guess was right !

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unknown #9 [[not so unknown now) :

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I'm currently working hard on the TVgraphy of 1968. It should be online very soon ! :)

[reese]

I have finay fund a proof that Unknown # 9 is from the London Palladium show. They wear the same wigs on the two pictures. So Reese, your guess was right !

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unknown #9 [[not so unknown now) :

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I'm currently working hard on the TVgraphy of 1968. It should be online very soon ! :)

I wondered why Mary looked like she was ready to fight in the casual shot. Nice to find out the fellow was a boxer.

[blue_whippet]

The picture you refer to on this site and that was published in the Hamburger Abendblatt newspaper, is, according to your description, this one :

17403

and the guy next the Supremes is definitely Chris Howland :

17404
17405

The information in this newspaper and the photo add a lot to the fact that Musik Aus Studio B was taped before April 1965.It also adds a lot to the fact that March 29 become the most probable date for its taping.

I also become more and more conviced that the supposed tour in Germany around March 15-17 is not the correct information. I have to check again what's exactly written in billboard, but I think they considered the fact that the Supremes were in Germany for a concert for the press and a tv show as a tour in Germany, when for me a tour is concerts in several cities of a country...

Hi, that photo with Chris Howland is almost identical to the one printed in the newspaper. Your extra photos certainly confirm it is Chris. I agree that a tour of Gemany probably didn't happen.I haven't seen anything to confirm a tour occurred. On another matter, the photo of the Supremes reading the March '65 copy of Tuney Tunes. I'm wondering if that photo was taken in Hamburg or Paris. There is one related photo taken at the same time that I have seen but I cannot pinpoint a time and location. Any ideas?

[blue_whippet]

Effectively, all the elements you provided converge toward the conclusion that these photos where taken in Paris. I also have never seen this pix of Martha & the Vandellas, I would have been puzzled if I had. I must have been fooled by the fact that the photo was erroneously credited at the "club de l'étoile à Paris" [[There is a Club de l'Etoile in Paris but the place only took this name years after this photo, in 1985, and in 1965, it was a cinema, so the event couldn't have happened there).
Now I just found that there was actually a discotheque named L'Etoile [[and not Club de l'Etoile) [[and named now L'Arc Paris) but unfortunately no historical information has been found yet. But that would explain the credit on the photo and the fact that it was in Paris.
I've tried to find information on the Locomotive but nothing like a Motown event seems to have happened there.

Anyway, you're really good too at spotting details in pix and to provide well-reasoned arguments and it's a pleasure to have this discussion.

The photo credit of L'Etoile is intriguing and maybe a bit more research on that club would be useful. There is a reference to La Locomotive as being the venue for the cocktail party after the Olympia show in the Cash Box article, 1st May '65. I recall reading that somewhere else and I'll try to dig out that information.

[reese]

On another matter, the photo of the Supremes reading the March '65 copy of Tuney Tunes. I'm wondering if that photo was taken in Hamburg or Paris. There is one related photo taken at the same time that I have seen but I cannot pinpoint a time and location. Any ideas?

I think that photo was actually taken backstage at SHINDIG! in Hollywood in February 1965. I've seen other photos of the girls that seem to be taken at the same time, one of them has them with the show's host Jimmy O'Neill. The background looks the same as do their wigs. But in the photo with Jimmy, they are wearing the outfits they wore during YOU CAN'T DO THAT. In another, they are wearing the EIGHT DAYS A WEEK outfits.

[blue_whippet]

I think that photo was actually taken backstage at SHINDIG! in Hollywood in February 1965. I've seen other photos of the girls that seem to be taken at the same time, one of them has them with the show's host Jimmy O'Neill. The background looks the same as do their wigs. But in the photo with Jimmy, they are wearing the outfits they wore during YOU CAN'T DO THAT. In another, they are wearing the EIGHT DAYS A WEEK outfits.

Hi,

Thank you so much. I know those photos from Shindig and you are spot on with your observations. I have been puzzling over the Tuney Tunes photos for ages but would not have made the Shindig connection. Interesting that a Dutch magazine made its way to L.A. for a photo opportunity.

[Laurent]

The photo credit of L'Etoile is intriguing and maybe a bit more research on that club would be useful. There is a reference to La Locomotive as being the venue for the cocktail party after the Olympia show in the Cash Box article, 1st May '65. I recall reading that somewhere else and I'll try to dig out that information.

I read the Cash Box & Billboard articles you mentioned and yes it's intriguing. I couldn't find any additional information about La Locomotive and L'Etoile. Without any old pictures with that tartan wall taken inside, I guess we won't be able to put a final word to it.

Oh by the way, the year 1968 of the TV graphy is now online!

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/

[Laurent]

Hi all,

It's strange that when you search desperately a proof of something you just can't find it and when you're looking for completely something else, it suddenly pops-up! I finally found a proof that the pictures of series 2 and 3 of the unknown TV show #5 [[is there anyone following?) are from the German TV show Musik Aus Studio B. Proof by following the direct link in the first post of this thread.

I was also for long puzzled by an article in an Italian magazine stating that Diana Ross and the Supremes did two tv shows during their European tour in January-February 1968. I finally found the name of these shows.
You can check this at http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/ [[and test the new menus I inserted in each page to make each tv show more easely searchable and also give at the same time a list of the tv shows per year).

I am also working hard to illustrate the year 1968 of the Timeline. The updated version should be online within a week.

:)

[blue_whippet]

Hi all,

It's strange that when you search desperately a proof of something you just can't find it and when you're looking for completely something else, it suddenly pops-up! I finally found a proof that the pictures of series 2 and 3 of the unknown TV show #5 [[is there anyone following?) are from the German TV show Musik Aus Studio B. Proof by following the direct link in the first post of this thread.

I was also for long puzzled by an article in an Italian magazine stating that Diana Ross and the Supremes did two tv shows during their European tour in January-February 1968. I finally found the name of these shows.
You can check this at http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/ [[and test the new menus I inserted in each page to make each tv show more easely searchable and also give at the same time a list of the tv shows per year).

I am also working hard to illustrate the year 1968 of the Timeline. The updated version should be online within a week.

:)

Hi,

Good to see there is still some traction in this thread. I thought that photo you found had been discussed previously in this thread. This link shows the date created was 29th March 1965:

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/musikgruppe-soul-usa-ganzk%C3%B6rperaufnahme-der-s%C3%A4ngerinnen-news-photo/883412186

as does this photo which we previously discussed:

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/musikgruppe-soul-usa-diana-ross-florence-ballard-und-mary-news-photo/883408534

|Unfortunately the leads into the Star/L'Etoile/Loco clubs have gone cold for the time being but we can keep searching. Thanks for all the good work you are doing on the 1968 timeline.

[Laurent]

Hi,

Good to see there is still some traction in this thread. I thought that photo you found had been discussed previously in this thread. This link shows the date created was 29th March 1965:

https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/musikgruppe-soul-usa-ganzk%C3%B6rperaufnahme-der-s%C3%A4ngerinnen-news-photo/883412186

as does this photo which we previously discussed:

https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/musikgruppe-soul-usa-diana-ross-florence-ballard-und-mary-news-photo/883408534

|Unfortunately the leads into the Star/L'Etoile/Loco clubs have gone cold for the time being but we can keep searching. Thanks for all the good work you are doing on the 1968 timeline.

Sure it's been discussed before on this thread but I still had to find a real link between the photos and the tv show. Even though we were almost sure, and we came to the same conclusion that it was it, we didn't have a real proof. Here, on this photo, we have the location [[Hamburg) the name of the photograph [[a German that also took other pictures of the Supremes the same date), and the exact date of the photo [[March 29, 1965). Everything that we guessed and find by comparaing different details, articles, etc. is here confirmed.
To me it also put final word to question of the date of the quick trip to Germany which occured on March 29 [[the two other options were around 15-17 March and April 5).:)
[[an update of the Timeline 1965 is coming for the coming weeks... I also came across a picture of another artist taken in 1965 at the Olympia which tend to proove that the picture of the Motortown revue supposedly in Rotterdam or Paris depending to the sources of information was indeed taken in Paris: the vertical spotlights are same)

[Laurent]

Just a few words to let you all know that the update of the Timeline 1965 page is online, with additional pictures and corrections about the dates in Germany.

An illustrated version of the Timeline 1968 is also now finally online at

http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/

I hope you'll like it :-)

[blue_whippet]

Thanks for the update. It is great to see the additional photos and the corrected dates in Germany. Keep up the good work. Incidentally there are photos on line of the Rolling Stones, Sacha Distel, Charles Aznevour and Johnny Hallyday taken around a similar timeframe of the Tamla show at L'Olympia where the same stage backdrop and lighting can be clearly seen.

[Laurent]

Hi All,

I've made lately some very interesting and exciting discoveries in newspapers which conduct to considerable improvement in the Supremes TVgraphy.

Recent researches conducted to find 3 more TV shows in 1964 as announced in another thread, but there's a lot more! :

- an additionnal Lloyd Thaxton Show in 1964 [[for a total of three now) with exact date of first broadcast and songs performed for each show

- the exact date for the Clay Cole show [[ripping the show from 1964 to 1965)

- 4 additionnal TV show in 1965 [[not counting the Clay Cole show!). there's now a total of 40 tv shows for this year alone!

- 1 additionnal TV show in 1966

- 3 additionnal TV show in 1967

- and, finally, all the unindentifed photos of the Unknown TV show page of the site have been identified [[besides rehearsal pictures of unknown #10 & 11 which are not 100% certain), which means the tv shows of the unknow picture #1, #3 [[with Lesley Gore), #7 [[Supremes with balloons), #8 & 8bis have been identified.

For your enjoyment only :-)

at: http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/index.htm

[nomis]

so the infamous balloons pic is The Bruce Morrow show ! mystery solved !

[sup_fan]

this is great info! thanks all. I've added it to and updated my Supremes Timeline excel document!

it's crazy interesting to see some of their early success days - holy F they were busy. like Oct 64 in Europe. and these are just tv shows. i don't know when/where their stage shows were:

10/5 9th Street West tv show
10/6 Ready Steady Go
10/8 Scene at 6:30 tv show
10/10 Open House tv show
10/11 The Eamonn Andrews tv show
10/13 or 14 Hoe Maakt U Het [[dutch tv show)
10/14 or 15 Televisum [[belguim tv show)
10/15 Top of the Pops
10/17 Thank Your Lucky Stars
10/20 The Five O clock Club tv show
10/24 TAMI show taping
10/28 - 29 Santa Monica Civic Auditorium

and sometime in Oct they apparently also played Brooklyn Fox Theater? or maybe that was Sept 64?

and let's not forget that at some point in early Oct 64 they were in LA and recorded the tracks for Bit of Liverpool, which was released 10/16.

[marybrewster]

I have finay fund a proof that Unknown # 9 is from the London Palladium show. They wear the same wigs on the two pictures. So Reese, your guess was right !

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unknown #9 [[not so unknown now) :

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I'm currently working hard on the TVgraphy of 1968. It should be online very soon ! :)

Do you suppose the fringe jacket Mary is wearing is the same as on the cover of "Love Child"?

[Laurent]

Do you suppose the fringe jacket Mary is wearing is the same as on the cover of "Love Child"?


It looks like the same to me.

[Laurent]

this is great info! thanks all. I've added it to and updated my Supremes Timeline excel document!

it's crazy interesting to see some of their early success days - holy F they were busy. like Oct 64 in Europe. and these are just tv shows. i don't know when/where their stage shows were:

10/5 9th Street West tv show
10/6 Ready Steady Go
10/8 Scene at 6:30 tv show
10/10 Open House tv show
10/11 The Eamonn Andrews tv show
10/13 or 14 Hoe Maakt U Het [[dutch tv show)
10/14 or 15 Televisum [[belguim tv show)
10/15 Top of the Pops
10/17 Thank Your Lucky Stars
10/20 The Five O clock Club tv show
10/24 TAMI show taping
10/28 - 29 Santa Monica Civic Auditorium

and sometime in Oct they apparently also played Brooklyn Fox Theater? or maybe that was Sept 64?

and let's not forget that at some point in early Oct 64 they were in LA and recorded the tracks for Bit of Liverpool, which was released 10/16.

Where did you find that the 9th Street West tv show was on October 5 ?

The first Ready Steady Go is on October 9 not 6.

Top of the Pops on October 15 is a re-broadcast of the Supremes' performance on October 8.

The TAMI show was taped on October 28 & 29, not 24, and at the Santa Monica auditorium.

The Brooklyn Fox theater engagement was in september 4 to 13 [[hosted by Murray the K)

[Laurent]

I found the information that the Supremes were in the Bob Braun Show. This was a local Cincinnati tv show that existed from 1967 to 1984.

But I found no information about the year the Supremes appeared on this show. Does anyone now if this was of the Supremes post-Diana?

[ejluther]

I found the information that the Supremes were in the Bob Braun Show. This was a local Cincinnati tv show that existed from 1967 to 1984.

But I found no information about the year the Supremes appeared on this show. Does anyone now if this was of the Supremes post-Diana?
Your website is a dream come true for Diana Ross/Supremes fans - thank you SO much for your incredible work!

[Laurent]

Here's another TV show the Supremes are mentionned to have performed :
the Brad Davis Show. It's a local tv show in Hartford, Connecticut, that was aired on Saturdays. The show ended in 1969.

Again, it seems to be hard to find further information in newspapers archives and tv programs. Does anyone know anything about it ? [[a year of broadcast ?)

[RanRan79]

Here's another TV show the Supremes are mentionned to have performed :
the Brad Davis Show. It's a local tv show in Hartford, Connecticut, that was aired on Saturdays. The show ended in 1969.

Again, it seems to be hard to find further information in newspapers archives and tv programs. Does anyone know anything about it ? [[a year of broadcast ?)

Laurent I don't know anything about it, but I wonder if this was a Flo era appearance. Not having studied their itinerary as closely as you and some others, I'm of the thought that by the time of DRATS they were no longer doing these local "small time" shows. Would that be accurate? If so, I'm guessing the time frame might be 64-66, maybe 67. Just a guess.

[Laurent]

Laurent I don't know anything about it, but I wonder if this was a Flo era appearance. Not having studied their itinerary as closely as you and some others, I'm of the thought that by the time of DRATS they were no longer doing these local "small time" shows. Would that be accurate? If so, I'm guessing the time frame might be 64-66, maybe 67. Just a guess.

That’s exactly what I think also, RanRan79. They seldom did American local TV shows after Flo’s departure. Usually they did a local tv show while in the area for a concert. I checked all the dates they performed in Connecticut on the site:
- Friday December 3, 1965
- Monday July 9, 1966
- Wednesday March 10, 1967
- Sunday October 5, 1969

To me, the most probable date is in 1965, with a TV show probably taped on Dec 3 and a broadcast on Dec 4. But it could also be the in July 1966. Their schedule around March 10, 1967 seems too hectic to include the taping of a tv show. It is very unlikely in October 1969 as the group did only national tv shows at that time and were on their Farewell tour. The Brad Davis show also ended in 1969, so I suppose it ended before the summer and that it did not begin a new season.

This is of course only my guess I hope someone recall something about this show or have a clipping or anything… 😊

[sup_fan]

i don't know about this. i think it's certainly possible they would do local tv shows as they toured. they would have continued to have local PR events with djs and stations, on-air interviews and all. here are some examples of their concerts in 1969 that shows the big high-end flashy dates and the more standard concert dates. if they were doing this for concerts, there's no reason to think they wouldn't also do with tv shows

Frontier Hotel - early 69
1/24 Ashland Physical Ed Center, Ashland OH
2/22 Anaheim Convention Center
3/8 Assembly Hall, Champaign IL
4/2 Florida Gymnasium, Gainsville FL
4/4 Deauville Hotel, Miami
June 2 - 15 Latin Casino, Cherry Hill, NJ
6/28 Flamingo Hilton, Vegas
6/30 - July 6 Carter Barron Theater, DC
9/27 U Mass Amherst
9/28 Memorial Gym, Univ of Maine
9/29 Meehan Auditorium, Providence RI
10/3 Boston College
Oct Albany Armory, Albany NY
10/5 Hartford Conn

[Levi Stubbs Tears]

Again, it seems to be hard to find further information in newspapers archives and tv programs. Does anyone know anything about it ? [[a year of broadcast ?)

Google tells me the show ran for 11 years.

[nomis]

After all these years as a Supremes fan and a keen hunter for any info on tv apperances i still find it hard to fathom that we know absolutley know nothing of their final apperance on the Tonight Show days before Sullivan, we dont know what they sang,or what they wore or if they were interviewed...we know nothing for a pretty important date in their itinerary..One of, for me, the greatest mysteries in The Supremes cannon.

[reese]

After all these years as a Supremes fan and a keen hunter for any info on tv apperances i still find it hard to fathom that we know absolutley know nothing of their final apperance on the Tonight Show days before Sullivan, we dont know what they sang,or what they wore or if they were interviewed...we know nothing for a pretty important date in their itinerary..One of, for me, the greatest mysteries in The Supremes cannon.

I think their last TONIGHT SHOW appearance with Diana was around the time of G.I.T. ON BROADWAY so they could have been promoting that.

[luke]

When they were appearing in later 1969 did they acknowledge at their concerts that this was their farewell tour?

[sup_fan]

After all these years as a Supremes fan and a keen hunter for any info on tv apperances i still find it hard to fathom that we know absolutley know nothing of their final apperance on the Tonight Show days before Sullivan, we dont know what they sang,or what they wore or if they were interviewed...we know nothing for a pretty important date in their itinerary..One of, for me, the greatest mysteries in The Supremes cannon.

unfortunately most of these older Tonight Show films were wiped. there's the one from DMF doing Happening. and there's the audio from the MLK appearance. but that's pretty much it i think.

the girls were also on the Today show often, but nothing.

[bradsupremes]

The girls appeared on the Tonight Show twice in 1969. Once in March and then again in November.

The November appearance they sang "The Lady Is A Tramp/Let's Get Away From It All" again and then Diana sat down with Johnny to promote G.I.T. On Broadway. I have a costume sketch from Michael Travis of the outfit Diana wore for the November appearance. Sequin/beaded vest with black & white striped pants.

The March appearance is interesting because it was before "The Composer" was released. It's possible they could have performed "I'm Living In Shame" as it hit top 10 a few weeks prior.

[nomis]

The girls appeared on the Tonight Show twice in 1969. Once in March and then again in November.

The November appearance they sang "The Lady Is A Tramp/Let's Get Away From It All" again and then Diana sat down with Johnny to promote G.I.T. On Broadway. I have a costume sketch from Michael Travis of the outfit Diana wore for the November appearance. Sequin/beaded vest with black & white striped pants.

The March appearance is interesting because it was before "The Composer" was released. It's possible they could have performed "I'm Living In Shame" as it hit top 10 a few weeks prior.

wow ! thank you so much Brad youve just made an old fan very happy ! fascinating info..at last the mystery has been solved !

[sup_fan]

The girls appeared on the Tonight Show twice in 1969. Once in March and then again in November.

The November appearance they sang "The Lady Is A Tramp/Let's Get Away From It All" again and then Diana sat down with Johnny to promote G.I.T. On Broadway. I have a costume sketch from Michael Travis of the outfit Diana wore for the November appearance. Sequin/beaded vest with black & white striped pants.

The March appearance is interesting because it was before "The Composer" was released. It's possible they could have performed "I'm Living In Shame" as it hit top 10 a few weeks prior.

cool!!! are you able to share the sketch?

[floyjoy678]

I know when they appeared on the Tonight Show in 1966 they performed "You Can't Hurry Love".

[nomis]

I know when they appeared on the Tonight Show in 1966 they performed "You Can't Hurry Love".

Many thanks Floyjoy hopefully Laurent will add these nuggets to his brilliant site..every piece of the jigsaw helps..I wish i had asked more questions on this forum a decade ago about tv appearances as members have passed away who were around at the time I used to ask about the Supremes tv work and got some fascinating replies..just wish i had asked more.

[sup_fan]

I know when they appeared on the Tonight Show in 1966 they performed "You Can't Hurry Love".

nice! so that just might be the tv debut of You Can't Hurry Love. although legend has it that the song was released on 7/25 and they appeared on Sullivan the 24th, debuting it the evening before, that's not the case. the famous sullivan appearance was from Sept, after the song had hit #1.

They recorded the vocals on 7/5 [[Diana, Mary and Marlene). It was then released on 7/25

the first tv show appearance i have is 8/18 on The Tonight Show. that's the only tv spot i know of in August. they did a few university appearances, the Civic Center on 8/19 in Virginia Beach, Forrest Hills NYC on 8/20 and then the Michigan State Fair from 8/26 - 30.

then comes the Asia Tour

Arrive in Tokyo on 9/2
9/3 Tachikawa Officer's Club
9/4 USS Coral Sea
9/5 press conference at Tokyo Hotel Ohtani

other appearances on the tour include Kajikawa Naval Base, Club 13 in Taipei Taiwan, Hong Kong City Hall Auditorium, Kingsland Club in Hong Kong, Manila, Philippines.

Sullivan on 9/25
Roostertail on 9/26
Harvest Moon Ball at Madison Square Garden, NYC on 9/27
Flamingo Hotel Debut 9/29 - 10/19.

[Laurent]

It's actually not the TV debut of You Can't Hurry Love. There's one prior the Tonight Show and the Ed Sullivan Show.
http://dianarosssupremes.free.fr/TV-1966-Supremes.htm