The supremes mary,florence,diana were on ed sullivan, not diana alone,it's history

[REDHOT]

Yes,OPRAH is a big fan of DIANA ROSS,and there's nothing wrong with that,there's a lot of DIANA ROSS fans in the world,And there's a love of SUPREMES fans also,but you can't rewrite HISTORY,ED SULLIVAN introduced THE SUPREMES,MARY WILSON FLORENCE BALLARD AND DIANA ROSS,And later,DIANA ROSS AND THE SUPREMES,MARY WILSON AND CINDY BIRDSONG,To his TV audience,As OPRAH has said,in the past,when she saw THE SUPREMES on THE ED SULLIVAN,it gave her hope,but on her show 02-25-2011,it's has change to,watching DIANA ROSS on THE ED SULLIVAN SHOW,DIANA ROSS was never on his show as a solo act,I love ORAPH,but you can't chaner HISTORY,i was a little disappointed,It seems like OPRAH idolize DIANA,and there's nothing wrong with that,we all have idolized someone,but come on,the world fell in love with THE SUPREMES in the 60s,and that includes,MARY WILSON FLORENCE AND DIANA ROSS,and don't be so hard on DIANA, on OPRAH,It was a 3 hour show,editing it down to one hour.OPRAH is in charge.
Please stay positive

[randy_russi]

Oprah has also said that Diana was the first black woman on TV!!!! I have contacted her with no response asking if she
ever watched American Bandstand. Long before the Supremes became Supreme, Dee Dee Sharp, Mary Wells, Little Eva,
the Crystals, the Ronettes, Martha & the Vandellas, the Marvelettes, and much too many to name were on Dick Clark's
show. Oprah makes it sound that before the Supremes became hit-makers, young black performers just didn't even
exist. I'd love to give her a rock and roll history lesson.
Dee Dee Sharp played big showrooms in Vegas long before the Supremes got there.

[randy_russi]

And, then, let's not forget performers like Eartha Kitt, Sarah Vaughn, etc. Not the young rock & rollers, but certainly known
to television audiences in the '50s.

[marv2]

You have to take what Oprah says with a big grain of salt! She gushes over Tina Turner the same way. She is simply taking advantage of the fact that she has a television show and has tried several times to promote Diana Ross over others and it never works. Diane has not experienced any true tangible benefits from being on the Oprah Winfrey show which in itself is amazing. She went on that show to promote her book, her CD "Everyday", her "RTL Tour" etc,etc and they all failed! So Oprah pretending that she only saw Diana Ross on the Ed Sullivan Show and before that there were no Black people, Black women on television is ludicrious! I learned my history lesson long before there was an Oprah Winfrey Show and I was also around long enough to have seen other famous Black performers on television before the Supremes and Diana Ross!

Now the fact that Diana Ross is the only one to inspire her is fine, but to say that all little girls watching TV in 1964 were inspired by Diane is a huge exaggeration! I heard her use the term "Dare to Dream", so evidently as quiet as it's kept, she must have been paying attention to another Supreme

[randy_russi]

How true! And that Ed Sullivan performance was NOT the Supremes first TV appearance, as Oprah has stated.

[marv2]

You are exactly right! I saw them on the Bill Kennedy Show months before they were on Ed Sullivan.

[randy_russi]

Before Sullivan they did Shindig and American Bandstand and I think even Steve Allen.

[REDHOT]

I must say, i agree with all the above,and i'll say it again,you can't change HISTORY,THE SUPREMES MARY WILSON FLORENCE BALLARD AND DIANA ROSS made HISTORY,thanks to MOTOWN'S BERRY GORDY.
Please stay positive

[marv2]

Before Sullivan they did Shindig and American Bandstand and I think even Steve Allen.

You may be right about Bandstand, but I believe Shindig came later in '65. I was thinking, I bet a woman like Diahann Carroll is sitting somewhere wondering what the hell was she doing prior to the Supremes performing on Ed Sullivan! LOL

[marv2]

I must say, i agree with all the above,and i'll say it again,you can't change HISTORY,THE SUPREMES MARY WILSON FLORENCE BALLARD AND DIANA ROSS made HISTORY,thanks to MOTOWN'S BERRY GORDY.
Please stay positive

True, so very true. Thanks Redhot!

[miss_lish]

I am reluctant to enter into this elementary discussion; however, someone must at least attempt to inject a sense of logic here.

Do y'all really think Oprah literally meant that the Supremes were the first black folks one television? LMAO?! Even though there is a mountain of evidence to contradict a claim as significant as that?!! Lord and have mercy. Instead, and bear with me here, LOL!, do you suppose she could have meant that the Supremes appearance on Ed Sullivan was the first time that blacks appeared on television as harbingers of their own culture? This was the first time a group of black individuals appeared on national television, singing their own music, written by African-American writers, choreographed by African- American choreographers, and being promoted by an African-American owned company. Additionally, The Ed Sullivan Show was an American staple. Appearing on such a program was significant because it meant your appearance was viewed my almost everyone in American. American Bandstand was significant, but it's was marketed to teenagers; Sullivan's audience was the entire country. See the difference?

I wonder why I even took the time to type this because I know it will bear no significance to those who have their own agendas and who are hell bent on finding diversion where none exists. Carry on!

[randy_russi]

I think they did Shindig in '64--Baby Love and Come See About Me, prior to the Sullivan show. Sullivan was done in December
'64. Come See was just released, I think, when they did Shindig. They also did Hullabaloo for Come See About Me and
I think this may have been before Sullivan. They did Amer. Bndstnd. for Where Did Our Love Go when they were on tour
with Dick Clark.

[1382hitsville]

Miss Lish, I agree with you.

I'm sure Oprah knows her history. Some shows inspire you more than others. And that is in the eye of the beholder.

[Motown_M_1056]

I am reluctant to enter into this elementary discussion; however, someone must at least attempt to inject a sense of logic here.

Do y'all really think Oprah literally meant that the Supremes were the first black folks one television? LMAO?! Even though there is a mountain of evidence to contradict a claim as significant as that?!! Lord and have mercy. Instead, and bear with me here, LOL!, do you suppose she could have meant that the Supremes appearance on Ed Sullivan was the first time that blacks appeared on television as harbingers of their own culture? This was the first time a group of black individuals appeared on national television, singing their own music, written by African-American writers, choreographed by African- American choreographers, and being promoted by an African-American owned company. Additionally, The Ed Sullivan Show was an American staple. Appearing on such a program was significant because it meant your appearance was viewed my almost everyone in American. American Bandstand was significant, but it's was marketed to teenagers; Sullivan's audience was the entire country. See the difference?

I wonder why I even took the time to type this because I know it will bear no significance to those who have their own agendas and who are hell bent on finding diversion where none exists. Carry on!

Well said Miss Lish. You also notice the biggest complainers arethe usual Mary Wilson fanatics? SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON OPRAH. The fact that Diana Ross [[an icon) was on the most powerful black woman's show in TV history is killing these haters. Be glad in 2011, you see black people on TV dong being positive and being recognized, period.

[Roberta75]

Miss Lish, I agree with you.

I'm sure Oprah knows her history. Some shows inspire you more than others. And that is in the eye of the beholder.

If you don't like a person or a show, don't watch it. The blessing and the beauty of our country is we have the freedom to watch what we want.

[marv2]

I think they did Shindig in '64--Baby Love and Come See About Me, prior to the Sullivan show. Sullivan was done in December
'64. Come See was just released, I think, when they did Shindig. They also did Hullabaloo for Come See About Me and
I think this may have been before Sullivan. They did Amer. Bndstnd. for Where Did Our Love Go when they were on tour
with Dick Clark.

You are making some really good points, especially what you said earlier about the Steve Allen Show. I know Mary Wells and Martha & the Vandellas also did American Bandstand in like '62 or '63 when the show was still out of Philadelphia.

[marv2]

Well said Miss Lish. You also notice the biggest complainers arethe usual Mary Wilson fanatics? SHE IS NOT GOING TO BE ON OPRAH. The fact that Diana Ross [[an icon) was on the most powerful black woman's show in TV history is killing these haters. Be glad in 2011, you see black people on TV dong being positive and being recognized, period.

There is nothing fanatical about being factual! Now Diane can go on there every week, it will not improve things for her in terms of her career.

[midnightman]

I'll just say that I agree with what miss lish said. And I'll leave it at that before y'all turn this into a personal civil war.

[theboyfromxtown]

midnightman

But will you still run for cover!!

HA-HA

[Motown_M_1056]

There is nothing fanatical about being factual! Now Diane can go on there every week, it will not improve things for her in terms of her career.

When you've reached ICON status like Diana Ross, you don't have to do much in terms of your career. ICONS can rest or coast on their laurels if they desire to do so. They are always relevant. ICONS have already done much to leave a mark on history. They've changed or impacted culture and influenced people. ICONS like Diana Ross just show up somewhere and most people already know and respect them. ICONS don't need or have to sell or promote anything.

[Penny]

Oprah needs to go back on her diet. She is very selective about history and her diet. Unfortunately she chooses to ignore the healthy benefits of not being into denial.

[topdiva1]

When you've reached ICON status like Diana Ross, you don't have to do much in terms of your career. ICONS can rest or coast on their laurels if they desire to do so. They are always relevant. ICONS have already done much to leave a mark on history. They've changed or impacted culture and influenced people. ICONS like Diana Ross just show up somewhere and most people already know and respect them. ICONS don't need or have to sell or promote anything.


Ms ross as well as the orginal group The Supremes - all have become ICONS - dead or alive - however - of course there were many Icons still living - and some dead before The SUpremes.

Diana Ross did a simple nice TV appearance on Oprah's last season. THAT IS ALL - I am sure Oprah will have others she loves on before she says her final goodbyes.

That is all this is - no need for a huge nasty debate.

[Motown_M_1056]

I'm not debating or being nasty with anyone. I stated my opinion AND WHAT IS FACTUAL. Diana Ross is an ICON. And she's been a solo performer longer than she was a Supreme so much of her iconic status was attained long after she left the Supremes.

[topdiva1]

Tell me something i do not know. However - may I point out that Ms. Ross is just one of many Icons still roaming the earth - and is not the be all end all, to most of us.

She is a good entertainer - but I would not take a bullet for her. Nor would she for any of her devoted fanantics.

Don't play.

[Motown_M_1056]

Tell me something i do not know. However - may I point out that Ms. Ross is just one of many Icons still roaming the earth - and is not the be all end all, to most of us.

She is a good entertainer - but I would not take a bullet for her. Nor would she for any of her devoted fanantics.

Don't play.

No one has asked you to take a bullet for her OR even acknowledge her status as a true cultural icon. Give your validation and admiration to whomever you choose. Real icons don't need it.

[marv2]

I'm not debating or being nasty with anyone. I stated my opinion AND WHAT IS FACTUAL. Diana Ross is an ICON. And she's been a solo performer longer than she was a Supreme so much of her iconic status was attained long after she left the Supremes.

They are all icons. There would be no "Diana Ross Solo...." if it weren't for the Supremes success.

[marv2]

I wonder how many people that saw the Beatles on The Ed Sullivan Show in 1964, turn around today and characterize that historic appearance as "the time they saw PAUL McCartney" on the Sullivan show changed my friggin' life! LOL!!!!!

[Motown_M_1056]

They are all icons. There would be no "Diana Ross Solo...." if it weren't for the Supremes success.

How does 8 or 10 years with a group compare with 40 years of performing on your own? It doesn't add up or balance out to me.

[marv2]

How does 8 or 10 years with a group compare with 40 years of performing on your own? It doesn't add up or balance out to me.

Well since you want to go there. They did have twice the number of number one hit records in those 8 to 10 years than she has had solo in 40! Doesn't add up to or balance out to me either..................!

[Motown_M_1056]

Well since you want to go there. They did have twice the number of number one hit records in those 8 to 10 years than she has had solo in 40! Doiesn't add up to or balance out to me either..................!

Hit records be damned - the woman has held it down as a cultural ICON and a legendary entertainer ...without the Supremes and on her own for 40 years. Remember, true ICONS don't need hit records...those are mere triffles when you compare everything else they've achieved.

[marv2]

Hit records be damned - the woman has held it down as a cultural ICON and a legendary entertainer ...without the Supremes and on her own for 40 years. Remember, true ICONS don't need hit records...those are mere triffles when you compare everything else they've achieved.

I am sure Mary and the others will appreciate those sentiments as well. Thank you!

[Motown_M_1056]

I'm sure you will give her my sentiments.

[robbert]

They are all icons. There would be no "Diana Ross Solo...." if it weren't for the Supremes success.
With all respect, Marv, you don't KNOW that. To keep the debate pure & transparent, you can't make statements like that, simply because they're not solid facts. There are liars enough on this board, as it is.
Even without The Supremes having been successfull, Diana's talents more than likely could/would have been discovered at some point in the sixties.

[marv2]

With all respect, Marv, you don't KNOW that. To keep the debate pure & transparent, you can't make statements like that, simply because they're not solid facts. There are liars enough on this board, as it is.
Even without The Supremes having been successfull, Diana's talents more than likely could/would have been discovered at some point in the sixties.

Robbert, I am only speaking factually, not hypothetically. The success of the Supremes was a springboard for the future success of Diana Ross solo artist. She's even said that using different words of course. I can say what I did with confidence because that is what happened. I cannot say the same if it were any other way because that would be pure speculation.

[jillfoster]

I'm not debating or being nasty with anyone. I stated my opinion AND WHAT IS FACTUAL. Diana Ross is an ICON. And she's been a solo performer longer than she was a Supreme so much of her iconic status was attained long after she left the Supremes.

One shouldn't worship graven images.

[Kamasu_Jr]

According to the collegiate dictionary, a graven image is an idol or fetish carved in or made from wood or stone. I didn't see anyone saying they worshipped anyone or anything made of or carved into wood or stone. Maybe Sister Roberta will weigh in on this.

[smark21]

Much of the content on this thread and most Supremes, Wilson and Ross threads across the internet really boil down to the attitudes of hard core fans and the defensiveness they inspire as well as their persistent need to pit Ross against Wilson and/or Ross against the Supremes. I wish hard core Ross fans who've dismissed the Supremes over the years would stop it and acknowledge how good the group was as a group. Likewise, hardcore Wilson and Supremes fans who've put down Ross solo over the years need to acknowledge that Ross did bring something special to the group which continued when she went solo. The Supremes had star quality as a group but Ross had star quality, not just as a part of a charismatic ensemble, but also on her own.

[motown4ever]

Yeah Marv, but it could have helped a whole generation of young people like my kids,nieces and nephews,cousins know about more than Micheal Jackson,Diana Ross,Stevie Wonder. They know the Supremes,J5,Tempts and Tops but explain Mary Who?,Jackie & Tito Who?

It's Mary Wilson, who history like it or not along with the other Tops & Tempts who sang behind the lead singers are unknown,forgotten and the media and public often follow suit. Be honest set yourself aside from being Mary Wilson's #1 fan. For example we all know Gladys Knight but who outside of this forum can name the 3 Pips who sang behind her for 30 yrs. No snide remarks be honest.

[Roberta75]

According to the collegiate dictionary, a graven image is an idol or fetish carved in or made from wood or stone. I didn't see anyone saying they worshipped anyone or anything made of or carved into wood or stone. Maybe Sister Roberta will weigh in on this.

Well the good book of Exodus says the following. "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them for I the Lord thy God"

I only worship Jesus Christ my Lord and God. I may respect and love certain painters, photos, ornaments, singers and writers but I cannot worship at the feet of them.

[smark21]

Yeah Marv, but it could have helped a whole generation of young people like my kids,nieces and nephews,cousins know about more than Micheal Jackson,Diana Ross,Stevie Wonder. They know the Supremes,J5,Tempts and Tops but explain Mary Who?,Jackie & Tito Who?

It's Mary Wilson, who history like it or not along with the other Tops & Tempts who sang behind the lead singers are unknown,forgotten and the media and public often follow suit. Be honest set yourself aside from being Mary Wilson's #1 fan. For example we all know Gladys Knight but who outside of this forum can name the 3 Pips who sang behind her for 30 yrs. No snide remarks be honest.

I think many fans would like their favorite group to be like the Beatles, a group in which the general pubic knew and remembered the names of all 4 members. But The Beatles are the exception to the rule as their success, impact and influence was stratospheric, a once in a lifetime phenomenon. For all other groups, it's fortunate that the public remembers the name of one member. Ten years ago, most young people into pop music could probably name all the members of NSYNC or Destiny's Child, but nowadays, I'm sure most of them, except their hardcore fans, now ten years older and in a different stage of their lives, can only name the enduring stars that came from the group--Justin Timberlake and Beyonce. That's just how it is.

[Kamasu_Jr]

Well the good book of Exodus says the following. "And God spake all these words, saying, I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them for I the Lord thy God"

I only worship Jesus Christ my Lord and God. I may respect and love certain painters, photos, ornaments, singers and writers but I cannot worship at the feet of them.

I thought so. There is no OUR LADY OF DIANA ROSS church as far as I know. So who is worshipping there?

[Roberta75]

I thought so. There is no OUR LADY OF DIANA ROSS church as far as I know. So who is worshipping there?


LOL. Well if there is I have yet to come across it and I have visited thousand of churches over the years.

[marv2]

Yeah Marv, but it could have helped a whole generation of young people like my kids,nieces and nephews,cousins know about more than Micheal Jackson,Diana Ross,Stevie Wonder. They know the Supremes,J5,Tempts and Tops but explain Mary Who?,Jackie & Tito Who?

It's Mary Wilson, who history like it or not along with the other Tops & Tempts who sang behind the lead singers are unknown,forgotten and the media and public often follow suit. Be honest set yourself aside from being Mary Wilson's #1 fan. For example we all know Gladys Knight but who outside of this forum can name the 3 Pips who sang behind her for 30 yrs. No snide remarks be honest.

I don't know [[who aside from those on this forum can name the three members of the Pips). I do know I am watching a clip of "Mary Wilson" in concert in Kiev from earlier this month now. The members of the Pips did not work outside of the context of "Gladys Knight & the Pips" aside from a very short recording obligation in the late 70's. As far as Tito?

[marv2]

I think many fans would like their favorite group to be like the Beatles, a group in which the general pubic knew and remembered the names of all 4 members. But The Beatles are the exception to the rule as their success, impact and influence was stratospheric, a once in a lifetime phenomenon. For all other groups, it's fortunate that the public remembers the name of one member. Ten years ago, most young people into pop music could probably name all the members of NSYNC or Destiny's Child, but nowadays, I'm sure most of them, except their hardcore fans, now ten years older and in a different stage of their lives, can only name the enduring stars that came from the group--Justin Timberlake and Beyonce. That's just how it is.

I agree, but you see the Supremes [[who are not even my favorite group, that would be the Four Tops just to be clear) were like the Beatles in regards to their initial popularity. I think that yes because they were women and Black that society at large has let them slip down several pegs on the popularity charts, polls or whatever they call what Billboard and Rolling Stones, publications like that put out.

I can only speak from and about personal experience and that would be everyone I knew ,knew the names of the individual Supremes and many also knew the names of the members of the Temptations and Jackson Five,etc. Now if you are asking me if someone outside of say the baby boom generation would know the names, I can't tell you much because that is not my frame of reference.

[marv2]

I think they did Shindig in '64--Baby Love and Come See About Me, prior to the Sullivan show. Sullivan was done in December
'64. Come See was just released, I think, when they did Shindig. They also did Hullabaloo for Come See About Me and
I think this may have been before Sullivan. They did Amer. Bndstnd. for Where Did Our Love Go when they were on tour
with Dick Clark.

Randy, I believe you are right about the Shindig appearance!

[floyjoy678]

the supremes were on steve allen in september 1964 for where did our love go, then they did shindig, the bill kennedy show and lloyd thaxton twice in november/december for come see about me all before ed sullivan. they did come see about me on hullabaloo in january/feb 1965 when it jumped back up to the #1 spot. it seems the song received a lot of promotion. never heard of the american bandstand performance but included thats 6 US TV appearances made before ed sullivan.

[randy_russi]

And that doesn't include local TV shows they did in different cities, which they did do. Yes, American Bandstand in either
July or August of '64 for Where Did Our Love Go. I had forgotten about Lloyd Thaxton.

Also, again, with Oprah's remarks...A lot of younger people who were not around in the '60s do take her literally for what
she is saying. She makes it sound as if because the Supremes hit, other black young performers were given a shot.
They were NOT the first blacks on TV who came from a black label, with black choreographers, etc.
Again, from Motown...Mary Wells, Marvelettes, Martha & Vandellas, Marvin Gaye, Miracles, had all made several TV
appearances before the Supremes did the Sullivan show.

[captainjames]

Here is the first lady as she speaks about Motown and states what it was like to see "DIANA ROSS" on TV and what it meant to see her on television [[eventhough Flo and Mary were alongside her).

http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2011/02/24/sound-young-america-history-motown

With that being said I understand what she and Oprah are saying and didn't take it literally as the "First African American woman" on TV. What will be remembered is DIANA ROSS was the Lead Singer of one of the most famous girl groups of all times and with that she continued on to bigger success to super stardom.

What I remember about it was they were on radio and then to actual see them nationwide after hearing them was surreal to me. I don't remember all the other performances that are mentioned her until I went to seek them out latter at an adult age. Sorry, but my household did not watch them at all.

[jillfoster]

And that doesn't include local TV shows they did in different cities, which they did do. Yes, American Bandstand in either
July or August of '64 for Where Did Our Love Go. I had forgotten about Lloyd Thaxton.

Also, again, with Oprah's remarks...A lot of younger people who were not around in the '60s do take her literally for what
she is saying. She makes it sound as if because the Supremes hit, other black young performers were given a shot.
They were NOT the first blacks on TV who came from a black label, with black choreographers, etc.
Again, from Motown...Mary Wells, Marvelettes, Martha & Vandellas, Marvin Gaye, Miracles, had all made several TV
appearances before the Supremes did the Sullivan show.

And as I mentioned in the other thread... Dionne had hit it big the year before, and the mention earlier of Dee Dee sharp.

[randy_russi]

At some point they also did Where The Action Is, which was also a Dick Clark TV show.

Yes, Dionne Warwick hit BIG a few years earlier than the Supremes and made several TV appearances as well.

[marv2]

....and what people like Michelle Obama is doing is simply repeating what they heard Oprah say. The local tv appearances are the hardests ones to come by. Even the ones they may have did in Detroit.

[skooldem1]

Diana Ross is a Beatles-sized legend: Time to give this diva her due

By Michael D. Clark
03.01.11 | 06:49 am
To understand the the enormity of having a true diva like Diana Ross playing the Verizon Wireless Theater on Tuesday night is to first understand some simple mathematics: Two is better than one.

As in two Hall of Fame careers worthy of immortality in the history of Motown, R&B, disco and pop — as Ms. Ross has enjoyed, first with The Supremes and the as a solo artist — is at least one more than most anybody else could ever aspire.

Beginning as the leader of The Supremes in the 1960s, Ross changed pop music, not only leading the way in making this youthful movement a multi-cultural art form, but a multi-gender one as well. At the height of The Supremes power in the mid-1960s, Ross and her harmonic peers owned the charts and radio scoring No. 1 hits and selling albums with a frequency and volume enjoyed only by their white, male, British mop-topped peers, The Beatles.

"Where Did Our Love Go," "Baby Love," "Stop! In The Name of Love," "You Keep Me Hanging On," "Love Child." All of these are former top-charting songs and form the spine of a very large discography that makes the The Supremes the still-reigning most successful female vocal group of all time. Their 33 Top-40 singles has meant sales of over 100 million records [[and still counting).

And that only accounts for Ross' first decade in the music biz. Since going solo in 1970 she went back to the top of the charts with a cover of "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" as well as songbird sonnets like "Touch Me in the Morning," and "Theme from Mahogany [[Do You Know Where You're Going To)." In the '80s she took disco dance floors by storm with the funky "Upside Down" and then melted hearts and helped couples make babies with her No. 1 duet with Lionel Richie, "Endless Love."

Along the way she earned Grammy nominations, an Oscar nomination and a Golden Globe for her 1972 portrayal of Billie Holliday in Lady Sings the Blues, and even a Tony award for a 1977 one-woman Broadway show. In more recent years she was honored with the very prestigious John F. Kennedy Center Honor for the Performing Arts Award and the Guinness Book of World Records declared her the most successful female music artist in history.

So, yeah, having Diana Ross in Houston is kind of a big deal.

If you can get to this show, then don't miss out. The opportunity to see an honest-to-goodness legend in person doesn't come around very often.


http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-01-11-diana-ross-is-a-beatles-sized-legend-time-to-give-this-diva-her-due/

[luke]

I saw the Supremes in 64 on Thaxton--I think I saw them on Bandstand--when oh when is Dick CLark releasing those shows??Oh to see Dee Dee, Supremes etc --I thought I read he was finally going to do so. Oprah has said she initially "wanted to be Mary" when she saw the Supremes on Ed. She needs to work on her memory a bit. Though Im not too concerned -Dremgirls, the new Flo movie etc.

[captainjames]

I agree its time to give her the recognition as Lead singer of the Supremes and for her solo work.


Diana Ross is a Beatles-sized legend: Time to give this diva her due

By Michael D. Clark
03.01.11 | 06:49 am
To understand the the enormity of having a true diva like Diana Ross playing the Verizon Wireless Theater on Tuesday night is to first understand some simple mathematics: Two is better than one.

As in two Hall of Fame careers worthy of immortality in the history of Motown, R&B, disco and pop — as Ms. Ross has enjoyed, first with The Supremes and the as a solo artist — is at least one more than most anybody else could ever aspire.

Beginning as the leader of The Supremes in the 1960s, Ross changed pop music, not only leading the way in making this youthful movement a multi-cultural art form, but a multi-gender one as well. At the height of The Supremes power in the mid-1960s, Ross and her harmonic peers owned the charts and radio scoring No. 1 hits and selling albums with a frequency and volume enjoyed only by their white, male, British mop-topped peers, The Beatles.

"Where Did Our Love Go," "Baby Love," "Stop! In The Name of Love," "You Keep Me Hanging On," "Love Child." All of these are former top-charting songs and form the spine of a very large discography that makes the The Supremes the still-reigning most successful female vocal group of all time. Their 33 Top-40 singles has meant sales of over 100 million records [[and still counting).

And that only accounts for Ross' first decade in the music biz. Since going solo in 1970 she went back to the top of the charts with a cover of "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" as well as songbird sonnets like "Touch Me in the Morning," and "Theme from Mahogany [[Do You Know Where You're Going To)." In the '80s she took disco dance floors by storm with the funky "Upside Down" and then melted hearts and helped couples make babies with her No. 1 duet with Lionel Richie, "Endless Love."

Along the way she earned Grammy nominations, an Oscar nomination and a Golden Globe for her 1972 portrayal of Billie Holliday in Lady Sings the Blues, and even a Tony award for a 1977 one-woman Broadway show. In more recent years she was honored with the very prestigious John F. Kennedy Center Honor for the Performing Arts Award and the Guinness Book of World Records declared her the most successful female music artist in history.

So, yeah, having Diana Ross in Houston is kind of a big deal.

If you can get to this show, then don't miss out. The opportunity to see an honest-to-goodness legend in person doesn't come around very often.


http://culturemap.com/newsdetail/03-01-11-diana-ross-is-a-beatles-sized-legend-time-to-give-this-diva-her-due/

[RossHolloway]

Why is Darlene Love in the Rock in Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, but not Diana Ross?

[marybrewster]

Well, all I can say is: Oprah may not get "it" but Diana did and does. Several times during her interview, when Oprah said that "you" blah blah blah, Diana corrected her with "we".

[marv2]

I agree its time to give her the recognition as Lead singer of the Supremes and for her solo work.

You have to be kidding? She has received all types of recognition. It is time give the newer generation of singers some play.

[marv2]

Why is Darlene Love in the Rock in Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, but not Diana Ross?

She is not going in as no soloist. You can forget that when she didn't even show up for the Supremes induction. She'll get a Grammy before that happens.

[captainjames]

Perhaps Evan Ross will command those accolades that his mom should have got, time will tell. After all he is the newer generation.


You have to be kidding? She has received all types of recognition. It is time give the newer generation of singers some play.

[marybrewster]

She is not going in as no soloist. You can forget that when she didn't even show up for the Supremes induction. She'll get a Grammy before that happens.

And Paul McCartney didn't show up for the Beatles induction, and they sure inducted him as a soloist in 1999. Although they slapped his hand by making him wait 4 years.

Diana will be inducted. Trust.

[captainjames]

I believe you and it will happen.



And Paul McCartney didn't show up for the Beatles induction, and they sure inducted him as a soloist in 1999. Although they slapped his hand by making him wait 4 years.

Diana will be inducted. Trust.

[marybrewster]

Lest we all forget that mary wilson herself, via her facebook page, told all of her fans to be sure to watch diana on oprah. If mary can let it go, why can't you?

[jobeterob]

This is all about semantics. Oprah is a huge mass market conglomerate responding to "the people". The people are not the committed fans ~ the people love Baby Love and we all can't stand it, in general.

Oprah is mouthing what the masses of people see and feel. They don't know who any of the Supremes were other than Diana. They don't even know if any of them sing anymore. Most people don't care about the politics of the Supremes, the Beatles, the Beach Boys etc. They know Paul McCartney, John Lennon and Diana Ross. The rest are incidental.

That is heartbreaking to some fans of Lynda and Mary and Scherrie and Jean. But it is also real life.

I'm ducking the rotten tomatoes already.

[milven]

She is not going in as no soloist. You can forget that when she didn't even show up for the Supremes induction. She'll get a Grammy before that happens.

Just my opinion, but whenever Diana appeared at anything Supreme related, including Flo's funeral, Motown 25, etc., there was controversy. Maybe she declined to appear at the R&R Hall of Fame ceremony to avoid any controversy and to let Mary enjoy the spotlight and accolades since it is Mary who says that she was the one carrying on the Supreme legacy

[captainjames]

No need to duck Rob, it is what it is !!! Each Supreme has made their own contribution, Diana, Flo, Barabra, Lynda, Scherrie, Susaye, Cindy, Jean and Mary. The die hard fans know the contibutions but, it is the mass public that identifies Diana as "THE ONE".



This is all about semantics. Oprah is a huge mass market conglomerate responding to "the people". The people are not the committed fans ~ the people love Baby Love and we all can't stand it, in general.

Oprah is mouthing what the masses of people see and feel. They don't know who any of the Supremes were other than Diana. They don't even know if any of them sing anymore. Most people don't care about the politics of the Supremes, the Beatles, the Beach Boys etc. They know Paul McCartney, John Lennon and Diana Ross. The rest are incidental.

That is heartbreaking to some fans of Lynda and Mary and Scherrie and Jean. But it is also real life.

I'm ducking the rotten tomatoes already.

[Roberta75]

No need to duck Rob, it is what it is !!! Each Supreme has made their own contribution, Diana, Flo, Barabra, Lynda, Scherrie, Susaye, Cindy, Jean and Mary. The die hard fans know the contibutions but, it is the mass public that identifies Diana as "THE ONE".

I will always hold a soft spot for all former Supremes especially Barbara Martin. That great lady walked away from show business and became a Podiatrists nurse. Helping to heal people's feet is very commendable and very admirable. Your feet support the weight of your entire body.

Diana Ross is the only Supreme to become a global superstar but all ladies gave their God given all to the group.

[miss_lish]

Just my opinion, but whenever Diana appeared at anything Supreme related, including Flo's funeral, Motown 25, etc., there was controversy. Maybe she declined to appear at the R&R Hall of Fame ceremony to avoid any controversy and to let Mary enjoy the spotlight and accolades since it is Mary who says that she was the one carrying on the Supreme legacy




And maybe she did it maliciously out of anger for Mary's book. Who cares? Fcuk!

[Roberta75]

And maybe she did it maliciously out of anger for Mary's book. Who cares? Fcuk!

I don't mean to offend but surely you can get your point across without cussing miss_lish?

[miss_lish]

Miss Lish is sorry Miss Roberta, but these folks piss Divalish the eff off; always up in this or that's Supreme's business like it's theirs. This Supreme is better than that Supreme because blather, blather...before you came, they were even discussing which Supreme's feet were more attractive; which now that I think about it, might have been right up your alley. LOL! I will tell you that Barbara Martin's feet didn't even receive an honorary mention.

Miss Lish will attempt to keep from cussing, butt do add her to your prayer list. Divalish will do better.

[Roberta75]

Miss Lish is sorry Miss Roberta, but these folks piss Divalish the eff off; always up in this or that's Supreme's business like it's theirs. This Supreme is better than that Supreme because blather, blather...before you came, they were even discussing which Supreme's feet were more attractive; which now that I think about it, might have been right up your alley. LOL! I will tell you that Barbara Martin's feet didn't even receive an honorary mention.

Miss Lish will attempt to keep from cussing, butt do add her to your prayer list. Divalish will do better.

Bless your heart miss_lish. I should think after years in Podiatry Ms. Barbara Martin has the best feet of any living Supreme.

[marv2]

And Paul McCartney didn't show up for the Beatles induction, and they sure inducted him as a soloist in 1999. Although they slapped his hand by making him wait 4 years.

Diana will be inducted. Trust.

Paul was in a legal battle with Yoko and George Harrison at that time. Diane was not there because the word [[from Mike Love of the Beach Boys) was that she didn't want Florence Ballard and Mary Wilson inducted just herself!

[marv2]

Just my opinion, but whenever Diana appeared at anything Supreme related, including Flo's funeral, Motown 25, etc., there was controversy. Maybe she declined to appear at the R&R Hall of Fame ceremony to avoid any controversy and to let Mary enjoy the spotlight and accolades since it is Mary who says that she was the one carrying on the Supreme legacy

That could be true..........in a nicer World.

[marv2]

Lest we all forget that mary wilson herself, via her facebook page, told all of her fans to be sure to watch diana on oprah. If mary can let it go, why can't you?

Because we are not Mary?

[topdiva1]

This is all about semantics. Oprah is a huge mass market conglomerate responding to "the people". The people are not the committed fans ~ the people love Baby Love and we all can't stand it, in general.

Oprah is mouthing what the masses of people see and feel. They don't know who any of the Supremes were other than Diana. They don't even know if any of them sing anymore. Most people don't care about the politics of the Supremes, the Beatles, the Beach Boys etc. They know Paul McCartney, John Lennon and Diana Ross. The rest are incidental.

That is heartbreaking to some fans of Lynda and Mary and Scherrie and Jean. But it is also real life.

I'm ducking the rotten tomatoes already.

LOOK Oprah had Diana Ross on because SHE CAN - it is her show - her final season - and as a fan of many = Oprah will have them all on - no more than a tribute to her own power.

[topdiva1]

Lest we all forget that mary wilson herself, via her facebook page, told all of her fans to be sure to watch diana on oprah. If mary can let it go, why can't you?

Mary Wilson is a very forgiven person. All she ever wanted was, what was RIGHT.

Mary has moved on years ago - try FAREWELL - and has suceeded - when most in the business said she would never.

[Kamasu_Jr]

Why is Darlene Love in the Rock in Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, but not Diana Ross?

GEE... I don't begrudge Darlene Love, who turns 70 this year, that Hall of Fame honor. Darlene Love is Rock 'N' Roll. Diana Ross is already a member and will probably be recognised for her solo music.

[topdiva1]

GEE... I don't begrudge Darlene Love, who turns 70 this year, that Hall of Fame honor. Darlene Love is Rock 'N' Roll. Diana Ross is already a member and will probably be recognised for her solo music.

And I agree - Diana Ross should be honored.

[jobeterob]

Marv, why CAN you not be like Mary? She does not approve of your bad behaviour on either here or YouTube; she says that these kinds of fans make it worse and have probably sealed the fate of any reunion. If she can celebrate the successes of other Supremes or Diana, shouldn't every fan of hers? Are they real fans then? Or is it just an obsession or illness?

[marv2]

Marv, why CAN you not be like Mary? She does not approve of your bad behaviour on either here or YouTube; she says that these kinds of fans make it worse and have probably sealed the fate of any reunion. If she can celebrate the successes of other Supremes or Diana, shouldn't every fan of hers? Are they real fans then? Or is it just an obsession or illness?

No! Everyone shouldn't if they don't wanna.......! It's called free will, free thought. Ever heard of it?

[marv2]

This is all about semantics. Oprah is a huge mass market conglomerate responding to "the people". The people are not the committed fans ~ the people love Baby Love and we all can't stand it, in general.

Oprah is mouthing what the masses of people see and feel. They don't know who any of the Supremes were other than Diana. They don't even know if any of them sing anymore. Most people don't care about the politics of the Supremes, the Beatles, the Beach Boys etc. They know Paul McCartney, John Lennon and Diana Ross. The rest are incidental.

That is heartbreaking to some fans of Lynda and Mary and Scherrie and Jean. But it is also real life.

I'm ducking the rotten tomatoes already.


You are funny as hell! LOL! Oprah was not "responding to the people" when she decided to have Diana Ross on for an hour long "PR- mercial" There weren't any people demanding to see Diane on tv for an hour talking about absolutely nothing! There is no other show that would have her on and have her talk about nothing, maybe that is why it has taken her 4 years to get a tv spot? Just asking......

[captainjames]

Perhaps that is why she got on one of the highest rated shows?? I mean come on now this discussion is ludicrous. You don't like her and she doesn’t care so sir have a seat! listening to this logic is not even fun anymore its obvious and transparent as sludge on a red rose. let's get back to the music.



You are funny as hell! LOL! Oprah was not "responding to the people" when she decided to have Diana Ross on for an hour long "PR- mercial" There weren't any people demanding to see Diane on tv for an hour talking about absolutely nothing! There is no other show that would have her on and have her talk about nothing, maybe that is why it has taken her 4 years to get a tv spot? Just asking......

[miss_lish]

Perhaps that is why she got on one of the highest rated shows?? I mean come on now this discussion is ludicrous. You don't like her and she doesn’t care so sir have a seat! listening to this logic is not even fun anymore its obvious and transparent as sludge on a red rose. let's get back to the music.




LOL! Now get this Captain; when I axed Mary last year at the Razzz Room point blank and to her face if she knew marysfan and I also identified him by his given name; all I received was a blank stare. LOL! At first, I thought why is she looking at me so oddly? Later on, I realized she must have been thinking, "Oh god! Another fan thinking I should remember a particular fan, although I meet zillions of folks every month!" LOL! Eventually, Parnell muttered, "No, I don't know him." LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Mary just sat there diplomatically attempting to avoid the question. Miss Lish quickly moved things along. LOLOLOLOL!!

[topdiva1]

Marv, why CAN you not be like Mary? She does not approve of your bad behaviour on either here or YouTube; she says that these kinds of fans make it worse and have probably sealed the fate of any reunion. If she can celebrate the successes of other Supremes or Diana, shouldn't every fan of hers? Are they real fans then? Or is it just an obsession or illness?

So you spoke to Mary Wilson recently about someones personal behavior on the internet?

[jobeterob]

No, but as you well know, others have. And as you also well know, she would likely approve of you less. But she rarely gives it all a thought.

[marv2]

Perhaps that is why she got on one of the highest rated shows?? I mean come on now this discussion is ludicrous. You don't like her and she doesn’t care so sir have a seat! listening to this logic is not even fun anymore its obvious and transparent as sludge on a red rose. let's get back to the music.

Look pal. Re-read the title of this thread. It is not about whether or not I like her, I don't care about her. What I do care about is truth and accuracy where we have the ability and tools to determine them. The truth is that Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard and Diana Ross appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show together, not Diana Ross alone.

[captainjames]

~~~~~yawn~~~~


Look pal. Re-read the title of this thread. It is not about whether or not I like her, I don't care about her. What I do care about is truth and accuracy where we have the ability and tools to determine them. The truth is that Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard and Diana Ross appeared on the Ed Sullivan Show together, not Diana Ross alone.

[captainjames]

Miss Lish
I can understand that and I believe you.



LOL! Now get this Captain; when I axed Mary last year at the Razzz Room point blank and to her face if she knew marysfan and I also identified him by his given name; all I received was a blank stare. LOL! At first, I thought why is she looking at me so oddly? Later on, I realized she must have been thinking, "Oh god! Another fan thinking I should remember a particular fan, although I meet zillions of folks every month!" LOL! Eventually, Parnell muttered, "No, I don't know him." LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Mary just sat there diplomatically attempting to avoid the question. Miss Lish quickly moved things along. LOLOLOLOL!!

[Motown_M_1056]

LOL! Now get this Captain; when I axed Mary last year at the Razzz Room point blank and to her face if she knew marysfan and I also identified him by his given name; all I received was a blank stare. LOL! At first, I thought why is she looking at me so oddly? Later on, I realized she must have been thinking, "Oh god! Another fan thinking I should remember a particular fan, although I meet zillions of folks every month!" LOL! Eventually, Parnell muttered, "No, I don't know him." LOLOLOLOLOL!!! Mary just sat there diplomatically attempting to avoid the question. Miss Lish quickly moved things along. LOLOLOLOL!!


Who is Marysfan?

[marv2]

~~~~~yawn~~~~

No problem. I use to yawn in History class too!

[marv2]

Who is Marysfan?

Exactly! Mary who?

[topdiva1]

And the topic is The Supremes on Ed Sullivan - or something like that friends,

Stay on topic.

[marybrewster]

Because we are not Mary?

No, because YOU aren't Mary. Not even close, sister.

[topdiva1]

You are funny as hell! LOL! Oprah was not "responding to the people" when she decided to have Diana Ross on for an hour long "PR- mercial" There weren't any people demanding to see Diane on tv for an hour talking about absolutely nothing! There is no other show that would have her on and have her talk about nothing, maybe that is why it has taken her 4 years to get a tv spot? Just asking......

LMFAO - that is so true - a cute hour of nothing be cuteness and a look at a legend aging - nothing more nothing less. It was Oprah having her say.

[topdiva1]

No, because YOU aren't Mary. Not even close, sister.

And as for you, Do you really know Mary Wilson?

[randy_russi]

In regard to the post on Dick Clark issuing a collection of American Bandstand performances...I was told they wouldn't do it
because there are too many companies involved in owning the rights to the music that it would be too many deals to work
out and wouldn't be worth it. What a shame! Those classic performances should be commercially available to the public
and it is our loss that so many copyrights; owners of such work get greedy. What happens is that the music gets lost
and forgotten eventually if it is not kept current.

[marv2]

In regard to the post on Dick Clark issuing a collection of American Bandstand performances...I was told they wouldn't do it
because there are too many companies involved in owning the rights to the music that it would be too many deals to work
out and wouldn't be worth it. What a shame! Those classic performances should be commercially available to the public
and it is our loss that so many copyrights; owners of such work get greedy. What happens is that the music gets lost
and forgotten eventually if it is not kept current.

Randy, that would have been a dream come true! Dick Clark had EVERYONE on his shows over the years and after the first airings, all we got was select little snippets on his Anniversary Specials. Now I wished we had VCR's back in the 60's!

[jobeterob]

Mary Brewster does know Mary Wilson and is in contact with her.

[topdiva1]

Mary Brewster does know Mary Wilson and is in contact with her.

As does Tony Turner - only in a real personal way.

[midnightman]

Why is Darlene Love in the Rock in Roll Hall of Fame as a solo artist, but not Diana Ross?

The Phil Spector connection. Allegedly Phil Spector was the reason the Ronettes and Darlene didn't get in earlier. After Phil got locked up, the Ronettes got inducted.

[midnightman]

In regard to the post on Dick Clark issuing a collection of American Bandstand performances...I was told they wouldn't do it
because there are too many companies involved in owning the rights to the music that it would be too many deals to work
out and wouldn't be worth it. What a shame! Those classic performances should be commercially available to the public
and it is our loss that so many copyrights; owners of such work get greedy. What happens is that the music gets lost
and forgotten eventually if it is not kept current.

In my honest opinion, their excuses are ridiculous. What have they got to lose in releasing the stuff on DVD?!

[topdiva1]

Is Dick Clark himself even still in control of anything regarding his company.

[milven]

Is Dick Clark himself even still in control of anything regarding his company.

He sold the company about four years ago

[topdiva1]

^^^^^^^^^ Thanks - perhaps the new guys in charge are running things very differently. However, I am sure they want to make as much money as possible.

[Roberta75]

Oprah behind the scenes on what Diana meant to her.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/What-Diana-Ross-Means-to-Oprah-Video

[motown4ever]

Oprah behind the scenes on what Diana meant to her.

http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/What-Diana-Ross-Means-to-Oprah-Video

Thanks Roberta75. I can feel where Oprah is coming from. Outside of my family, as a child growning up I admired Muhammed Ali,Micheal Jackson,Frank Sinatra,Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross. I admired them because they came from little and made something out of their lives. Sure everyone of them has their faults but we all do. Thanks for the post.

[REDHOT]

Again THE SUPREMES,Mary Wilson Florence Ballard and Diana Ross made HISTORY,alone with BERRY GORDY,you can't change that.[[smile)
Please stay positive