70's Supremes Lost & Found CD Petition

[aarondillon2011@gmail.com]

Well, I am not sure how to go about this but I thought I would give this a shot. Maybe someone else will have a better idea? Probably won't work but it doesn't hurt to try. So, I am not sure how many people are on the SoulfulDetroit Forums but I am only assuming/guessing we would need a few thousand people that would be willing to purchase this set and maybe Andy, Harry or George could send this thread over to Universal. Let's see how many of us are interested. I am definitely interested and I am dedicated to buying to copies, so that is one person and 2 sets sold so far....LOL

[marv2]

Count me in. I would definitely buy it!

[aarondillon2011@gmail.com]

Thanks Marv2 for your support :D

[lakeside]

Sign me up. Anything 70's Supremes and I'm on board!

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[sansradio]

I'm definitely game.

[TheMotownManiac]

Certainly......there are enough, I would think, for at least a digi version.

[bradsupremes]

I'm all for a 70s Lost & Found [[ideally I would love to see the Jean-led catalog get the expanded treatment but who are we kidding...that's a long shot), but I think we should be pushing for Universal to finish the 60s catalog. It's been 15 years since the expanded editions began and there's still a lot from the 60s that hasn't been touched...

Reflections, Love Child, Live At London's Talk Of The Town, TCB, GIT, Funny Girl [[CD), Let The Sunshine In, Cream Of The Crop, Farewell, and specialty albums such as We Remember Sam Cooke, Sing CW&P, A Bit Of Liverpool, and Disney.

Maybe The Second Disc would be interested in doing a 70s Lost & Found like they did with Merry Christmas? My hope with it being Motown 60 that Universal would push for more releases this year. They could easily get three or four expanded editions out this year if they really pushed for it.

[daviddh]

im in as well bu tit seems we may be waiting until 2020 at least.....seems like forever the way universal is moving now

[thanxal]

We should organize a march on the archives. Liberate the 70s Supremes ourselves!!!!

[Fourtopsbiggestfan]

First priority is physical release. None of that make believe digital crap.

[lakeside]

First priority is physical release. None of that make believe digital crap.

Amen!!!!!!

[gman]

I'd buy some CD copies....if it is a USA only release, I'd buy more than 1.... I'm not interested in downloads....you'd stand a better chance of me buying the 8 track!

[Bluebrock]

Well, I am not sure how to go about this but I thought I would give this a shot. Maybe someone else will have a better idea? Probably won't work but it doesn't hurt to try. So, I am not sure how many people are on the SoulfulDetroit Forums but I am only assuming/guessing we would need a few thousand people that would be willing to purchase this set and maybe Andy, Harry or George could send this thread over to Universal. Let's see how many of us are interested. I am definitely interested and I am dedicated to buying to copies, so that is one person and 2 sets sold so far....LOL
Count me in too! I would even pledge to buy 2 copies.

[Bluebrock]

I'm all for a 70s Lost & Found [[ideally I would love to see the Jean-led catalog get the expanded treatment but who are we kidding...that's a long shot), but I think we should be pushing for Universal to finish the 60s catalog. It's been 15 years since the expanded editions began and there's still a lot from the 60s that hasn't been touched...

Reflections, Love Child, Live At London's Talk Of The Town, TCB, GIT, Funny Girl [[CD), Let The Sunshine In, Cream Of The Crop, Farewell, and specialty albums such as We Remember Sam Cooke, Sing CW&P, A Bit Of Liverpool, and Disney.

Maybe The Second Disc would be interested in doing a 70s Lost & Found like they did with Merry Christmas? My hope with it being Motown 60 that Universal would push for more releases this year. They could easily get three or four expanded editions out this year if they really pushed for it.
Expanded editions of the Jean led years would be a dream come true, but we have to be realistic here. That is highly unlikely to happen., but a lost and found is surely a realistic proposition?

[jack020]

Count me in but also still waiting for that Gladys Knight & Pips L&F cd!

[markdtiller]

A 70s Supremes Lost & Found would definitely be top of my wants list.

[carlo]

I will buy whatever they put out there, including a 70's L&F! If it focused only on the Jean years, even better. There are so many tracks from that era, still in the vault.

[Fullfillingnessfirstfinale]

A 70´s Supremes L&F would be great

[RanRan79]

I'd definitely buy it, physical or digital, though I prefer digital.

[RanRan79]

Expanded editions of the Jean led years would be a dream come true, but we have to be realistic here. That is highly unlikely to happen., but a lost and found is surely a realistic proposition?

I don't understand this. I would rather have the Jean albums expanded too. But I wonder what stands in the way? While I know most of the Jean albums weren't doing the numbers of the albums of Flo, Diana and Mary era, I would think at least the first four were still popular enough to warrant the expanded treatment, especially in light of what happened when the Jean boxset was released and then disappeared because fans really wanted it and it sold out. I'm all for a L&F set, but I'd rather have the first four Jean albums [[minus the duets w/ the Tops) expanded, personally.

[Thornton]

I would gladly buy a 70's Lost & Found set. I think I've bought every 70's release since the first anthology came out in 2002.

[sup_fan]

i think what might have hurt the EE strategy was doing the albums in chronological order. I'm guessing here but as i've said before i think the well of Diana material is drying up. and so EE of the later DRATS albums might be a struggle. not to mention that those lps were not huge commercial or critical successes. And i have to say, the "discoveries" for Go Go and HDH were not as earth-shattering as some of the other releases we've had in the past. But that's just my opinion.

i think that after the got the Jean and Scherrie sets out, they should have pushed quickly for the 70s L&F. i'm wondering if Universal's memory on the success of the Jean set has faded with time

[bradsupremes]

An expanded treatment of the Jean albums is a very long shot, but why I think it's better than a 70s Lost & Found is that we would get more from the vaults. A 2-disc L&F would limit the possibilities of getting alternate vocals, alternate versions, new mixes, etc especially if there are 25-30+ unreleased tracks. That just about fills up an 2-disc set. When Motown switched to 16 track multi's in 1969 it gave more space for additional vocals takes. Example would be "Everybody's Got The Right To Love" - There is an alternate vocal that was released on Greatest Hits & Rare Classics in the 90s. It's possible a lot of the tracks Jean recorded have an alternate vocal[[s). I would hate for us to miss out on potential great Jean vocals where she may given the song a different approach from what we already know. I would gladly welcome a L&F if that's the most viable option, but expanded editions of the Jean albums would get us as complete to their recordings as the 60s expanded editions. This may not be something Universal wants to do [[hell, look at how they're dragging their feet with releases now!), but I could totally see The Second Disc jumping at this opportunity.

[smallworld]

I think a 1970s Lost & Found has the best chance of seeing release as part of a larger Supremes box set, which probably would have to be shared with the 1960s Supremes to be commercially viable. It has been almost 20 years since the pink box set.

[sup_fan]

An expanded treatment of the Jean albums is a very long shot, but why I think it's better than a 70s Lost & Found is that we would get more from the vaults. A 2-disc L&F would limit the possibilities of getting alternate vocals, alternate versions, new mixes, etc especially if there are 25-30+ unreleased tracks. That just about fills up an 2-disc set. When Motown switched to 16 track multi's in 1969 it gave more space for additional vocals takes. Example would be "Everybody's Got The Right To Love" - There is an alternate vocal that was released on Greatest Hits & Rare Classics in the 90s. It's possible a lot of the tracks Jean recorded have an alternate vocal[[s). I would hate for us to miss out on potential great Jean vocals where she may given the song a different approach from what we already know. I would gladly welcome a L&F if that's the most viable option, but expanded editions of the Jean albums would get us as complete to their recordings as the 60s expanded editions. This may not be something Universal wants to do [[hell, look at how they're dragging their feet with releases now!), but I could totally see The Second Disc jumping at this opportunity.

plus Motown stopped doing mono releases. so the EE sets wouldn't need to bother with the 2 released versions of the lp. so more room for alt takes, live material, etc.

if we HAD to drop something, i'd vote for dropping the modern-day mixes. I've really enjoyed them but i'd imagine they're rather time [[and therefore cost) intensive. Maybe if we drop those, they'd be able to streamline the costs a bit to make things more palatable to Universal

[sup_fan]

also we're assuming that there's still tons of Jean material. I do agree that in 69, 70 and maybe earlier 71, there was a lot of unreleased material. but it seems pretty clear that the group's studio work was dwindling by 72. sure there are still some tracks that we're aware of. and like you said, maybe there are alt versions of Jimmy Webb and FJ content. Or who knows - maybe there were other larger projects that were started/explored but then never completed.

But i think we're most likely focusing just on the earlier Jean years. And if they wanted to skip redoing the original lp, i'd be ok with that. we have the Jean set and you can get the full album on itunes today. so while not ideal, at least we have that material already.

[mike_sku]

I'd most definitely buy a 70s Supremes' Lost & Found CD release.

[bradsupremes]

plus Motown stopped doing mono releases. so the EE sets wouldn't need to bother with the 2 released versions of the lp. so more room for alt takes, live material, etc.

if we HAD to drop something, i'd vote for dropping the modern-day mixes. I've really enjoyed them but i'd imagine they're rather time [[and therefore cost) intensive. Maybe if we drop those, they'd be able to streamline the costs a bit to make things more palatable to Universal

I don't think Universal is losing money over these releases. Universal is one of the largest record corporations in the world. These releases are chump change in the large picture of everything they produce. The Expanded Editions seem to sell well enough to be making some kind of profit to continue releasing their catalog because there is a demand for them. I think they could sell more if Universal invested just a little bit into promotion which they do absolutely nothing for.

Yes, getting rid of new mixes would cut down on time and costs, but nowadays I think most fans prefer stereo over mono mixes unless there is something totally unique or different about them. This is my issue with the Motown Unreleased series and a lot of the Ace Motown releases. They are all pretty much use the original mono mixes which are sometimes not the best. Sometimes only one mono mix is all there is in the vaults. It is cost effective and cuts down on studio time to use them, but so many of those tracks are so deserving be heard in stereo.

One of my pipe dreams is a never-before-heard-in-stereo collection that would feature songs that never had a stereo mix or had horrible stereo mixes and deserve new ones [[example: Marvin Gaye's "Little Darling" with those strings).

[daviddh]

personally I love the new kevin reeves mixs . I want more of these. I like to do away the the mono mixs….I prefer mostly the stereo mixs.
but I am willing to forgo the Disney collection ,or GIT, BIT OF LIVERPOOL in place of a Supremes Lost and Found

[TomatoTom123]

I would buy a Lost & Found set of the 70s Supremes!

[Bluebrock]

I don't understand this. I would rather have the Jean albums expanded too. But I wonder what stands in the way? While I know most of the Jean albums weren't doing the numbers of the albums of Flo, Diana and Mary era, I would think at least the first four were still popular enough to warrant the expanded treatment, especially in light of what happened when the Jean boxset was released and then disappeared because fans really wanted it and it sold out. I'm all for a L&F set, but I'd rather have the first four Jean albums [[minus the duets w/ the Tops) expanded, personally.
i Totally agree with you. It is the first four Jean albums that contain the treasures. I think we have already got the duets w/the Tops on the double cd from a few years back. There may be a few alternate versions in the vaults, but i can happily manage without them. We can only keep our fingers crossed. I am sure Andy and George would love to do the expanded versions, but a lost and found set is more likely. Maybe the remaining MSS era alternate takes could be released on a separate cd for those who desire them.

[BritishTony]

Oh yes, definitely count me in for all of this

[danman869]

I’m in on Expanded Editions and Lost & Found Sets—all as long as they’re physical CDs!

it’s not a huge increase, but this article says that CD and LP sales have exceeded digital downloads. Pay attention, Universal! [[And listen to BradSupremes—because he’s absolutely right about putting more into the promotion of your Motown releases!)

https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/28/itunes-music-downloads-down-streaming-vinyl-up/ [[https://9to5mac.com/2019/02/28/itunes-music-downloads-down-streaming-vinyl-up/)

[sup_fan]

at this point, i'm just hoping for the content to be release. sure i do prefer a physical cd too and looking at the booklet. but i think we all need to realize that we need to support whatever format is finally utilized. content is better than nothing. whether digital or physical.

[bradsupremes]

at this point, i'm just hoping for the content to be release. sure i do prefer a physical cd too and looking at the booklet. but i think we all need to realize that we need to support whatever format is finally utilized. content is better than nothing. whether digital or physical.

Very true. The only way we are going to get more is if we support whatever is released no matter what format it is. However, Universal needs to pay attention to its audience. Motown/the Supremes/Diana Ross are going to be a draw to an older crowd. That crowd is going to want to physical releases like CDs. They are not the digital download generation. I think because the Supremes/Diana Ross crowd has been so vocal about wanting CDs is the reason why we are getting them on CD. If Universal is going to continue doing these expanded editions they need to keep doing it in the format that they started with.

[mysterysinger]

Yes I'll buy a Supremes 70s Lost and Found on CD please. But what exactly is left?

[aarondillon2011@gmail.com]

Yes I'll buy a Supremes 70s Lost and Found on CD please. But what exactly is left?

I believe either George or Harry has stated that there was enough material for a 2 cd Lost & Found set. That we do know. Is most of what is left alternate versions or alternate vocals? That's the real question. I wish Universal would let the guys tell us what is left. Even if we didn't get the material out at least we would know their complete recording history.

[Thornton]

In terms of what's left, here's what I can think of off the top of my head. This also includes material that has been released, but not on CD. I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot, and there's more we don't know about in the vaults.

1. Up the Ladder to the Roof [[alternate version with third verse)
2. Remote Control
3. How Long Has That Evening Train Been Gone?
4. Stepping On A Dream
5. That's How Much You Made Me Love You
6. Loneliness [[Is A Lonely Feeling)
7. Mind, Body & Soul
8. Touch [[GH&RC version)
9. You Only Miss Me When You See Me
10. Soft Days
11. I'll Wait A Lifetime
12. Love Train [[alternate vocal version)
13. Where Do I Go from Here [[GH&RC version)
14. Where Do I Go from Here [[extended version)
15. Early Morning Love [[extended version)
16. High Energy [[GH&RC version)
17. High Energy [[Scherrie lead version)
18. High Energy [[Cindy lead version)
19. Let Yourself Go [[GH&RC version)

I also vaguely remember there being mention of two more outtakes from The Supremes '75 LP titled "Look What You've Done To Me" and "Another Saturday Night." Not sure if these were covers, new songs, or just rumors.

[blackguy69]

I do find it interesting that no one has mentioned any of the Mary led material of the 70’s

[sup_fan]

i search in some of the old threads here. Found this listing of unreleased Jean material


Up the Ladder to the Roof [[alternate version with third verse)
UTLTTR - syreeta lead
Everybody's got the right to love - supposedly multiple versions still unreleased including the alt vocal version on the GH&RC cassette
Remote Control
How Long Has That Evening Train Been Gone?
Stepping On A Dream
That's How Much You Made Me Love You
Loneliness [[Is A Lonely Feeling)
Mind, Body & Soul
Touch [[GH&RC version)
You Only Miss Me When You See Me
Soft Days
I'll Wait A Lifetime
Love Train [[alternate vocal version)
Where Do I Go from Here [[GH&RC version)
Where Do I Go from Here [[extended version)
Early Morning Love [[extended version)
High Energy [[GH&RC version)
High Energy [[Scherrie lead version although supposedly no longer around)
High Energy [[Cindy lead version although supposedly no longer around)
Let Yourself Go [[GH&RC version)
Love I never knew You could feel go good - unedited version
IGLMHDTW - there are multiple unreleased versions, such as the version used on American Bandstand
TRAVELING LIGHT
CAN'T YOU HEAR ME KNOCKING
YOU WENT AND STEPPED ON MY DREAMS
SEND HIM TO ME
IF YOU LET ME
STANDING OVATION
BABY DON'T YOU GO
WHILE THEY WATCH
I CAN'T WAIT 'TIL SUMMER COMES
THREE DAY JOURNEY OF ME
I'LL NEVER LET YOU GET AWAY
WASTING TIME
I ALMOST HAD HIM [[BUT HE GOT AWAY)
DIDN'T I [[BLOW YOUR MIND THIS TIME)
IT'S SO HARD TO SAY GOODBYE TO YESTERDAY

[daviddh]

i believe if memory serves me correctly that TOUCH has alt mixs with a Jean only version and a Mary solo version as both recorded the songand the two versions spliced together.

[bradsupremes]

In the Syreeta collection booklet, it was implied there is an unreleased Supremes version of “I Want To Go Back There Again” using the same track as Syreeta’s.

We base what we know to be unreleased on the bootlegs and a lot of those tracks are from Jean’s recordings from late 1969. I think an exhaustive search into the vaults would turn up tracks none of us know about.

[sup_fan]

oh i'm sure there's much more. plus i'd assume at least SOME live material from JMC.

Someone mentioned that they thought there was 1 or so songs from FJ that didn't make the album.

Plus they might be able to do a 2019 mix of Jimmy Webb and strip off the Blossoms so it's just MJL. sort of like they did with Funny Girl

I am assuming most of the duets material is done.

[detmotownguy]

Marv says he doesn’t have the Cindy and Scherrie versions of High Energy. I swear he does! They were posted on one of those old yahoo groops at least 12 yrs ago. Marv please refresh your memory!

[marv2]

I do find it interesting that no one has mentioned any of the Mary led material of the 70’s

I want any and every recording they have not released yet with Mary on lead.

[marv2]

Marv says he doesn’t have the Cindy and Scherrie versions of High Energy. I swear he does! They were posted on one of those old yahoo groops at least 12 yrs ago. Marv please refresh your memory!

I'm sorry I can't help you. I don't have those.

[lakeside]

I'd like some 'live' concerts with all the line-ups in the 70's.

[sup_fan]

I have a few bootlegs too

MJC live at Carter Baron 71
MJC live at Central Park 71
MLC in hawaii 72 [[2 tracks)
MJL live at Valley Forge 9/72
MJL live Apollo 12/72
MSC live in Japan 74
MSC live in Manchester 75
MSS live in Montreaux 76
MSS live at Caesar Palace 76
MSS live at Bachelor III 76
MSS farewell

Plus various tv shows throughout the 70s

[blackguy69]

I would love to hear the Carte Baron concert

[Bluebrock]

I do find it interesting that no one has mentioned any of the Mary led material of the 70’s
What would you like us to say about them?

[thanxal]

Marv says he doesn’t have the Cindy and Scherrie versions of High Energy. I swear he does! They were posted on one of those old yahoo groops at least 12 yrs ago. Marv please refresh your memory!

https://youtu.be/-acSPeiOcPw

[thanxal]

Since we're on the subject of lost and found:

https://youtu.be/9xBRP82mwf0

[thanxal]

I forgot I lost this one:

https://youtu.be/guNzLHCR6S0

[detmotownguy]

Thanks for all three! Be nice if they had a cleaned up version of “Movin On”.

[sup_fan]

I do find it interesting that no one has mentioned any of the Mary led material of the 70’s

actually i think there are a couple of leads of Mary's in the list i posted. obviously if there is an extended mix of EarlyMorning, then that's going to be Mary. But in the early 70s, she just didn't have all that many leads. a handful, and certainly more than she was doing in the DRATS era. but not tons. and certainly not like the volume she did starting in mid 70s.

[bradsupremes]

Mary said back in 1971 that their Frontier engagement, where they introduced a whole new show, was being recorded by Motown for a potential live album. I also came across a little blurp in Billboard Magazine from late 1971 that Motown was going to record several live shows during their UK tour.

I have to wonder if the Central Park show was professionally recorded by Motown. That was a big show for them.

[blackguy69]

Mary said back in 1971 that their Frontier engagement, where they introduced a whole new show, was being recorded by Motown for a potential live album. I also came across a little blurp in Billboard Magazine from late 1971 that Motown was going to record several live shows during their UK tour.

I have to wonder if the Central Park show was professionally recorded by Motown. That was a big show for them. I’ve heard the whole Central Park concert. Would be nice for a clearer copy

[markdtiller]

oh i'm sure there's much more. plus i'd assume at least SOME live material from JMC.

Someone mentioned that they thought there was 1 or so songs from FJ that didn't make the album.

Plus they might be able to do a 2019 mix of Jimmy Webb and strip off the Blossoms so it's just MJL. sort of like they did with Funny Girl

I am assuming most of the duets material is done.

Ooh yes, a Blossom-less Jimmy Webb album would be wonderful!

[markdtiller]

These Cindy led late 70s songs, were not recorded at the time. This was cleared up in the liner notes in the Let Yourself Go boxset. Cindy did them herself in the mid 80s to the old backing tracks iin order to try for a solo recording contract, which she ultimately did with Hi-Hat Records on "Dancing Room".

[sup_fan]

Mary said back in 1971 that their Frontier engagement, where they introduced a whole new show, was being recorded by Motown for a potential live album. I also came across a little blurp in Billboard Magazine from late 1971 that Motown was going to record several live shows during their UK tour.

I have to wonder if the Central Park show was professionally recorded by Motown. That was a big show for them.

Do you know what the set list was for the Frontier engagement? And when did their Frontier contract end? Was winter 72 the last dates there, just before Cindy exited? Was the reception not very good for the shows and therefore frontier didn’t renew?

[bradsupremes]

Do you know what the set list was for the Frontier engagement? And when did their Frontier contract end? Was winter 72 the last dates there, just before Cindy exited? Was the reception not very good for the shows and therefore frontier didn’t renew?

I don’t know the full set list, but I know they did “Day By Day” from Godspell, Mary sang Carole King’s “I Feel The Earth Move” and they did “Where You Lead.” This was the engagement where they wore $1 million worth of jewelry.

[sup_fan]

oh i'd love to hear Mary sing I Feel The Earth! through other fans' posts on here, i believe the verdict on Day By Day was that it didn't really work. not sure if the arrangement was an issue or what. There's a pic of JMC onstage in the gorgeous white bugle bead gowns. and i love the photo shoot JML did in those gowns - fierce!!

Brad - when was the Frontier with the totally new show? i thought they played there in Sept 71 and again in Feb 72.

I'm going to guess at more of the song lineup:

*Stoned Love [[of course)
*Nathan jones
*60s medley?
*Earth move
*Day by Day
*Where you lead
*Exodus - i know they did this in Hawaii in spring 72 but in Mary's book she mentions a show [[i think with the tops) where they did this in 71 as an encore but when they made their "fake" exit the audience started to get up and leave and when the girls returned to the stage for the encore, they had to sort of call people back in.
*Touch maybe - it would have been their latest single or maybe FJ? depending on when they played there
*macarthur park - jean did this as a solo when in England in late 71 so maybe she did it here too
*Love the one you're with - they'd just added this to their repertoire in fall 71

[bradsupremes]

Sup_fan, I believe it was for their February 1972 engagement where they did their new set list. There is audio of them performing "Where You Lead" on the Merv Griffin Show.

[RanRan79]

I am assuming most of the duets material is done.

Unless of course there are full Jean leads for the duets. That might make for an interesting set.

[marybrewster]

Weren't they also doing "Oh Happy Day" around this time too? Later they would add "I'll Take You There" and "Cherry Pie". Seems like more misses than hits.

What I'll never understand post-Diana is why they felt the need to do these showtunesy types of sings at all. That was Berry's big thing. By 1971 they sure had enough of a catalog to stick with their own tunes.

[bradsupremes]

Weren't they also doing "Oh Happy Day" around this time too? Later they would add "I'll Take You There" and "Cherry Pie". Seems like more misses than hits.

What I'll never understand post-Diana is why they felt the need to do these showtunesy types of sings at all. That was Berry's big thing. By 1971 they sure had enough of a catalog to stick with their own tunes.

I'm not sure why Gordy didn't create two live shows geared to different audiences going back to the mid-60s. You had them performing in prestigious clubs like the Copa, Blinstrubs, or Vegas shows but then they were performing at college universities in-between engagements. Those are vastly different audiences. The showtunes had a place in the club/hotels, but Gordy should have crafted a "youth/all hits" show for the universities similar to the Hollywood Bowl show without that showtune stuff. The fans loved them regardless, but I'm sure they would have preferred to hear "You Can't Hurry Love" or "Where Did Our Love Go" over a medley of standards. What is surprising is how they stopped changing the show around late 1968. They added "Love Child" and things like "My Man," but they basically kept the same show dating back to the Copa 1967. Their show should have totally been revamped in late 1968/early 1969.

Like you said, Mary, there was no reason for the showtunes in the 70s. I think the February 1972 Frontier show replaced those showtunes with contemporary songs of the time [["Day By Day" was from the Broadway musical Godspell, but it was a big hit on the charts at the time so it made sense to include it). They made big mistake when Gil Askey came back and he brought out a lot of the Farewell charts. By that time Jean was pretty much done with the group. She refused to sing "Love Child" and wouldn't recite the spoken lines in "Love Is Here And Now You're Gone."

[johnjeb]

I saw The Supremes a dozen times in the 60s, in auditoriums at colleges, at sports arenas and at summer tents in-the-round. It was always their "nightclub" shows.

My first time was in February 1966. Of course I was excited and thrilled but, even at 16, I was surprised that for a college and teenage crowd they did the Copa show. The biggest surprise is that they didn't sing their current release My World Is Empty Without You. [[Of course, later it became a concert staple.)

In the Spring of 1968 for a concert sponsored by a teen-oriented radio station at a sports arena once again it was the nightclub show but it did not include their latest release Forever Came Today.

In 1969 the nightclub show worked well at theaters in-the-round but again I felt cheated at college shows that we didn't get more of the singles or album tracks. As many times as I have seen them I never saw them sing Composer, Shame, Some Things, Nothing But Heartaches, or Forever Came Today. But at least I saw them sing You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Loves You 12 times - sigh - lol!

This was the same for all the Motown acts I saw in the 60s. I guess concert-goers felt that seeing the razzle-dazzle of a nightclub act was the thrill. Of course I loved it but as a fan I felt I wanted more of the Motown music and less of the show-tunes.

This worked for the 60s but I agree that by the 70s they should have tailored their shows for either nightclub or concert-hall venues and audiences.

[sup_fan]

completely agree - they should have had multiple versions of show. and seems like they did. with Hollywood Bowl and even some of the Live in Orient shows. sure they included some MOR but they were typically still doing full versions of 6 - 8 hits. but then seems like once it became DRATS they really stuck with the Vegas show.

I'm baffled as to why the 70s Sups seemed so stuck in the past. was it Mary that was resistant to change? did motown decree that they keep doing things that way? i can't imagine berry would give two shits as to what the 70s Sup's show contained.

[luckyluckyme]

I saw The Supremes a dozen times in the 60s...

In the Spring of 1968 for a concert sponsored by a teen-oriented radio station at a sports arena once again it was the nightclub show but it did not include their latest release Forever Came Today.

In 1969 the nightclub show worked well at theaters in-the-round but again I felt cheated at college shows that we didn't get more of the singles or album tracks. As many times as I have seen them I never saw them sing Composer, Shame, Some Things, Nothing But Heartaches, or Forever Came Today. But at least I saw them sing You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Loves You 12 times - sigh - lol!.....

I can understand the songs listed .. except Nothing But Heartaches. Some Things featured Nick & Val & likely Josie Jo in the background; the rest, the Andantes. Having Mary & Cindy singing the background live might lead one to a closer listen of the actual single and a puzzlement as to why Mary & Cindy did not sound as they did on the record. Motown was probably playing it safe so as to not draw attention to the substitute background singers in the studio recording.
On tv, with a few exceptions, Mary & Cindy usually lip-synched to the "live" presentation of these singles.

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I can understand the songs listed .. except Nothing But Heartaches. Some Things featured Nick & Val & likely Josie Jo in the background; the rest, the Andantes. Having Mary & Cindy singing the background live might lead one to a closer listen of the actual single and a puzzlement as to why Mary & Cindy did not sound as they did on the record. Motown was probably playing it safe so as to not draw attention to the substitute background singers in the studio recording.
On tv, with a few exceptions, Mary & Cindy usually lip-synched to the "live" presentation of these singles.

"Forever Came Today" and "Some Things You Never Get Used To" were both in the live shows for very brief periods in 1968. They were removed when both songs failed on the charts.

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"Forever Came Today" and "Some Things You Never Get Used To" were both in the live shows for very brief periods in 1968. They were removed when both songs failed on the charts.

Is there a version available which contains the full backround vocals of Forever came today, because on the Ed Sullivan show, Mary and Cindy sing only "ah ah ah" vocals?