Grammy Salute to Motown's 60th Anniversary Set to Tape Feb. 12

[Diana Ross Fan Club]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/8493724/grammy-salute-motown-60th-anniversary-special

[marv2]

I wished they would include surviving actual Motown recording artists, although I know they won't.

[BritishTony]

Absolutely Marv, remember Martha justifiably lamenting not using original singers in the Funk Bros movie? Jeez, there are enough brilliant original artists around still to perform. I imagine the roof would blow off as they walked on. What a lost opportunity.

[marv2]

Absolutely Marv, remember Martha justifiably lamenting not using original singers in the Funk Bros movie? Jeez, there are enough brilliant original artists around still to perform. I imagine the roof would blow off as they walked on. What a lost opportunity.

These television network execs believe that we only want to see and her those under 40! They will bypass and discard the original artists because they believe that not enough people want to see them. Not true! CBS made this mistake back in 1990 when they produced and aired "Motown 30, What's Goin' On?". Motown artist only made up approx. 15% of those that performed on the program. They even had the FLOs[[ Jean Terrell, Scherrie Payne and Lynda Laurence) perform on the show but cut their performance from the broadcast.

[bradsupremes]

I expect it to be mostly contemporary artists to perform. They have to bring in ratings with today’s artists. I’m sure they’ll try to score the big Motown attractions like Stevie, Smokey, maybe Diana or Gladys. Berry Gordy will be there for sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mary was involved somehow. Maybe Otis’ Temptations. I doubt they’ll get Martha. If they do, she won’t be singing as they are not going to save a spot for her with the way she sounds now. Don’t be shocked if they wheel out Tony Bennett since it’s the Grammys and they think Tony Bennett is the greatest thing to ever happen in music and have to involve him in every damn thing they do.

[marv2]

I expect it to be mostly contemporary artists to perform. They have to bring in ratings with today’s artists. I’m sure they’ll try to score the big Motown attractions like Stevie, Smokey, maybe Diana or Gladys. Berry Gordy will be there for sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mary was involved somehow. Maybe Otis’ Temptations. I doubt they’ll get Martha. If they do, she won’t be singing as they are not going to save a spot for her with the way she sounds now. Don’t be shocked if they wheel out Tony Bennett since it’s the Grammys and they think Tony Bennett is the greatest thing to ever happen in music and have to involve him in every damn thing they do.

What? No Lionel Richie or El Debarge? I believe they are both still performing.

[bradsupremes]

What? No Lionel Richie or El Debarge? I believe they are both still performing.

Lionel is another good possible performer. El Debarge? No.

[jobeterob]

Yes it’s not the show a hardcore fan would put together but one for the average viewer

A shame if it’s more of Tony Bennett

[woodward]

Let's hope that Suzanne dePasse is involved in the production. It would be nice to see them go to the Motown Museum and film some of the special.

[Marty CanFly]

I know its out of subject but if i make a Thread on my own I'll get no attention.....My question is...Is there anybody who knows there's some Flo Ballard video footage of 1973 to 75 ???

[mysterysinger]

I know its out of subject but if i make a Thread on my own I'll get no attention.....My question is...Is there anybody who knows there's some Flo Ballard video footage of 1973 to 75 ???

You need to post this in the DRATS sub forum.

[PeaceNHarmony]

I'd welcome a multi-part, true documentary such as that done for the Beatles 20 or so years ago or Scorcesi's Dylan doc 'No Direction Home'. This program, for me, is a must-miss.

[bradsupremes]

Has there been any news on who is performing for this special? It tapes in a week there has been no word whatsoever on who is appearing.

[reese]

Has there been any news on who is performing for this special? It tapes in a week there has been no word whatsoever on who is appearing.

Maybe Jennifer Lopez? I saw a commercial that she will be doing the Motown tribute at the Grammys.

[milven]

Maybe Jennifer Lopez? I saw a commercial that she will be doing the Motown tribute at the Grammys.

Yes, I read that it would be Jennifer Lopez. She is fine, but why her? Why not one of the few living Motown legends that we still have, like Smokey, Diana, or Stevie. This is Black History Month.

Jennifer Lopez...will perform a Motown tribute during Sunday's Grammy awards, in honor of the 60th anniversary of the Detroit-baesd record label's founding.
Motown has long been seen as a symbol of Black excellence, elevating the careers of iconic artists like The Supremes, Smokey Robinson, and Marvin Gaye.

In the comments section, someone posted:

Welcome to Black History Month where:
1. Adidas released an all white Black History Month shoe
2. Jussie Smollett has to prove he was attacked
3. 21 Savage is being detained by ICE
4. Jennifer Lopez is doing the Motown tribute at the Grammys


https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/02/223578/jennifer-lopez-grammys-motown-tribute

However, its not all bad. Also read this about the awards show:

Additionally, the great Diana Ross will do a 75th Diamond Diana birthday performance!

[stingbeelee]

AT LEAST they could invite the Velvelettes and Martha and the original Vandellas to the show. They are, I believe, the only two Motown groups with the original members still living.

[milven]

AT LEAST they could invite the Velvelettes and Martha and the original Vandellas to the show. They are, I believe, the only two Motown groups with the original members still living.

Martha will be at the Motown 60 Celebration. So will Diana. But Diana will also appear on the Grammies this Sunday.

The Motown 60 tribute will be taped before a live audience on 12 February at Microsoft Theatre in Los Angeles and broadcast 21 April. It will be co-hosted by Cedric the Entertainer and Smokey Robinson.

Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, and Martha Reeves will take part in the tribute, as well as HDH. Mickey Stevenson, Valerie Simpson, Thelma Houston and Boyz II Men.


https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/...otown-60-bill/

[luke]

I think the general public would love to see some of the original performers. Just like at the oscars when they bring out older stars. There’s a fascination with how people are doing now.

[marv2]

Martha will be at the Motown 60 Celebration. So will Diana. But Diana will also appear on the Grammies this Sunday.

The Motown 60 tribute will be taped before a live audience on 12 February at Microsoft Theatre in Los Angeles and broadcast 21 April. It will be co-hosted by Cedric the Entertainer and Smokey Robinson.

Diana Ross, Stevie Wonder, and Martha Reeves will take part in the tribute, as well as HDH. Mickey Stevenson, Valerie Simpson, Thelma Houston and Boyz II Men.


https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/...otown-60-bill/

Cedric the Entertainer co-hosted "Motown 45" with Lionel Richie. He was ok, but I wished they'd use someone else this time.

[vgalindo]

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/diana-ross-stevie-wonder-smokey-robinson-motown-60-bill/?fbclid=IwAR3KrtGg87LAnMa4wtFRLLjImBGa5vvDzsVLeN9G YQpkP_BANqxxcqlsqWo

[marv2]

Maybe Jennifer Lopez? I saw a commercial that she will be doing the Motown tribute at the Grammys.

I don't like the idea of JLO being involved in this. She has no connection whatsoever to Motown.

[zani57]

Re: Cedric The Entertainer ... He is on a CBS sitcom. CBS has a long-standing lock on The Grammys and Grammy specials. It makes sense that CBS would try to promote Cedric’s sitcom by giving him more exposure. They do the same with Stephen Colbert, James Corden, etc. All of the networks do it.

[midnightman]

Sad Martha, Roz and Annette couldn't come together for this. That would make this magical. Seem they got issues with each other?

Don't get J. Lo's involvement at all. No connection to Motown's past, present AND future. That'll be like inviting Ariana Grande to a celebration of Philadelphia International.

[StuBass1]

Folks are still confusing J-Lo's participation in a Motown tribute during the actual Grammy telecast with the Motown 60 tribute show being taped a few days later to be aired in April. That show is being hosted by Smokey with Cedric. I've not heard J-Lo being connected with that show...

[marybrewster]

J Lo covered Diana a few years back; I think it's beautiful.

https://youtu.be/K9nIUqrZ5kY

[marybrewster]

On the flip side, they could have asked Mariah:

https://youtu.be/Lpvuj9pTTO4

[marv2]

On the flip side, they could have asked Mariah:

https://youtu.be/Lpvuj9pTTO4

Theyt could have asked Anita Baker. At least she is from Detroit!

[marv2]

Sad Martha, Roz and Annette couldn't come together for this. That would make this magical. Seem they got issues with each other?

Don't get J. Lo's involvement at all. No connection to Motown's past, present AND future. That'll be like inviting Ariana Grande to a celebration of Philadelphia International.

I can tell right now that it is not going to be that special or memorable.

[floyjoy678]

Will Mary be there?

[StuBass1]

Once again...J-Lo is doing the Grammy telecast Motown tribute [[not the Motown 60th Special), one segment of many on the show. The Motown special being taped the following Tuesday for broadcast sometime in April is not what J-Lo is associated with... I really don't get the big deal about J-Lo participating and she'll likely do a good job with it...Having worked with NARAS for an entire year, I can tell you that they do things their way, which is why that spoiled donut licking Ariana Grande wasn't going to get away with telling NARAS how SHE wanted her segment done... They plan their show taking many things into consideration and once they decide to scrap a segment or an artist isn't cooperating, they move on...too much to do in putting their show together than to deal with the egos of an assortment of artists... As for the Motown show and who's not going to be included...Obviously, many old favorites of longtime Motown fans are no longer able to perform up to a level for a nationally broadcast televised event. I assume Berry, Smokey, Diana, and perhaps Stevie were consulted as to how the show would be structured. It would be nice for Mary Wilson to participate, however, memories linger for decades, and although I can't say for sure that she is not included in this show, I assume they didn't want to risk the kind of situation that occurred on stage between Mary and Diana during the introduction of Berry on the Motown 25 special that got quite ugly...That's just my take...not looking to start a debate on this...

[brother_love]

It's a damn shame that Brenda Holloway lives in L.A. and was not asked to be a part of this so call celebration.

[jobeterob]

It's a damn shame that Brenda Holloway lives in L.A. and was not asked to be a part of this so call celebration.

I understand how is fans feel but I also appreciate that national tv networks can’t devote much more than an invitation to be in the crowd to people that weren’t really well known 50 years ago let alone today

The world is very unfair all the time

[marv2]

I understand how is fans feel but I also appreciate that national tv networks can’t devote much more than an invitation to be in the crowd to people that weren’t really well known 50 years ago let alone today

The world is very unfair all the time

That doesn't even make sense what you said. They are celebrating the 60th Anniversary of Motown Records and it's music, yet you say that the television network cannot invite the people that made the music because they were not well known back when they were making the hit music? Then if that is the case, why in the Hell would they even be honoring Motown, a record company you claim that people there that made the music are not known? That doesn't even make sense. Nor does it make sense to use a string of people that had nothing whatsoever to do with Motown. Just play the records and show some pictures and archival footage. I don't need to hear John Legend, or whomever trying to sing "Ain't that Peculiar" when it really would be.

[Roberta75]

Will Mary be there?

Probably setting in the audience like she was at Motown Returns to the Apollo.

[midnightman]

Surprised they didn't invite Mary either... they invited Martha but no other Vandellas... things like this makes me wish for Marvin, and most of the original members of the Four Tops and the Temptations to come back.

[midnightman]

I can tell right now that it is not going to be that special or memorable.

Too many of the legends that made Motown great are sadly no longer with us too.

[midnightman]

Once again...J-Lo is doing the Grammy telecast Motown tribute [[not the Motown 60th Special), one segment of many on the show. The Motown special being taped the following Tuesday for broadcast sometime in April is not what J-Lo is associated with... I really don't get the big deal about J-Lo participating and she'll likely do a good job with it...Having worked with NARAS for an entire year, I can tell you that they do things their way, which is why that spoiled donut licking Ariana Grande wasn't going to get away with telling NARAS how SHE wanted her segment done... They plan their show taking many things into consideration and once they decide to scrap a segment or an artist isn't cooperating, they move on...too much to do in putting their show together than to deal with the egos of an assortment of artists... As for the Motown show and who's not going to be included...Obviously, many old favorites of longtime Motown fans are no longer able to perform up to a level for a nationally broadcast televised event. I assume Berry, Smokey, Diana, and perhaps Stevie were consulted as to how the show would be structured. It would be nice for Mary Wilson to participate, however, memories linger for decades, and although I can't say for sure that she is not included in this show, I assume they didn't want to risk the kind of situation that occurred on stage between Mary and Diana during the introduction of Berry on the Motown 25 special that got quite ugly...That's just my take...not looking to start a debate on this...

Could've still picked Anita Baker or even if they wanted to relate to the youth, Janelle Monae or even Beyonce, whose parents grew up listening to Motown [[Solange, her sister, released a Motown-esque song, "I Decided", years ago). When's the last time the youth ever listened to J-Lo?

[Katt Williams voice]Don't worry, I'll wait.

[StuBass1]

True dat...Coulda picked a lot of people... I've heard no Motown folks complain about this...I've worked with NARAS and they are a very traditional organization and all of a sudden, everybody becomes a segment producer... I understand...Got poor J-Lo more nervous than being caught in the middle of a P-Diddy nightclub shootout...It's a freaking Grammy segment...not the end of life on earth as we know it...Sometimes we just get way too wrapped up in these things... If it bothers anyone, my suggestion is...Don't watch...

[midnightman]

True dat...Coulda picked a lot of people... I've heard no Motown folks complain about this...I've worked with NARAS and they are a very traditional organization and all of a sudden, everybody becomes a segment producer... I understand...Got poor J-Lo more nervous than being caught in the middle of a P-Diddy nightclub shootout...It's a freaking Grammy segment...not the end of life on earth as we know it...Sometimes we just get way too wrapped up in these things... If it bothers anyone, my suggestion is...Don't watch...

LMAO no one is that dramatic. You didn't realize there were gonna be strong opinions in this day and age though? :D

I wasn't gonna watch anyways so I can complain. :rolleyes: LOL

[luke]

Well said Marv. And it’s gonna be broadcast on April 21 on PBS which has had Brenda, Mary and many others on their past shows. No excuse not to have them on now. I guess the “big cheeses” have taken over the production. You’d think they’d learn by now.

[jobeterob]

Is it PBS or CBS?

[reese]

Is it PBS or CBS?

It will air April 21st on CBS.

[luke]

Ooooos. I guess I misheard

[jobeterob]

It will air April 21st on CBS.

Makes a lot more sense because they have big names both old and young

[jobeterob]

There are Motown albums and singles and Diana albums and singles all over the ITunes Charts

The Best Years of My Life is #50! Just like The Wiz - a lot bigger success now than when issued

[Bluebrock]

Will Mary be there?
I believe she was invited. She is of little significance but i would have liked to have seen Gladys and Lionel. Hopefully Duke and Otis will be there in some capacity.

[theboyfromxtown]

Mary at the Grammys

Pinched from Stephen Woods

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[theboyfromxtown]

Another pinched photo. Mary With Steven Aaron. Mary looks f-a-b-u-l-o-u-s

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[Bluebrock]

Mary at the Grammys

Pinched from Stephen Woods

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Are Otis and Duke there?

[jobeterob]

There’s a clip on Facebook of someone, I don’t know who, singing Mercy Mercy Me - and also of Stevie Wonder singing

[motownlover1964]

Hi Rob... I wanted to "see" Diana's "Best Years of My Life" and googled the ITUNE Charts but didn't see it at #50. The #50 spot was "Better Now" by Post Malone. Is there an R&B chart perhaps? Just curious. Thanks.

[marybrewster]

There’s a clip on Facebook of someone, I don’t know who, singing Mercy Mercy Me - and also of Stevie Wonder singing

John Legend performed a Marvin tribute.

[marybrewster]

Mary at the Grammys

Pinched from Stephen Woods

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SW pinched these from FB and Twitter.

[midnightman]

mary at the grammys

pinched from stephen woods

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Alright Miss Wilson!!!

[TheMotownManiac]

I have a friend involved with this show.

Gladys had a gig last night and couldn’t attend. I didn’t ask about Otis or others, but don’t assume folks werent asked just because they weren’t there. Mary will never be invited to perform or appear onstage at a Motown controlled production because of her erratic behavior and lack of respect to the plans. Crashing the stage at Motown The Musical cemented that forever. Sadly, I’m told by another source that Berry totally snubbed Mary even with her standing ten feet in front of him at one point looking fantastic and acting quite conspicuous. I’m going to discreetly enquirer about who she spoke to when the time is right so as not to embarrass her, but three sources state that she never got Gordy or Ross’ attention. The press would have exploded again with a pic of them but I guess Miss Ross is not, like Minnie Castevette, ”innerested.”

[floyjoy678]

I dont plan on watching this nor did I watch the Grammys. I've been very disappointed in how Motown's legacy has been preserved over the years. I dont know if Berry Gordy lost it somewhere along the way or what.

I'm hesitant regarding this Motown documentary but I do plan on watching that one.

Shame to hear that at 75, Mary and Diana cant even say hello to each other. I wonder if Flo were here if she'd be putting up with those two's behavior.

[midnightman]

I have a friend involved with this show.

Gladys had a gig last night and couldn’t attend. I didn’t ask about Otis or others, but don’t assume folks werent asked just because they weren’t there. Mary will never be invited to perform or appear onstage at a Motown controlled production because of her erratic behavior and lack of respect to the plans. Crashing the stage at Motown The Musical cemented that forever. Sadly, I’m told by another source that Berry totally snubbed Mary even with her standing ten feet in front of him at one point looking fantastic and acting quite conspicuous. I’m going to discreetly enquirer about who she spoke to when the time is right so as not to embarrass her, but three sources state that she never got Gordy or Ross’ attention. The press would have exploded again with a pic of them but I guess Miss Ross is not, like Minnie Castevette, ”innerested.”

Yikes! :[[

I do suspect some artists were busy. Gladys always has a gig to do lol

[midnightman]

I dont plan on watching this nor did I watch the Grammys. I've been very disappointed in how Motown's legacy has been preserved over the years. I dont know if Berry Gordy lost it somewhere along the way or what.

I'm hesitant regarding this Motown documentary but I do plan on watching that one.

Shame to hear that at 75, Mary and Diana cant even say hello to each other. I wonder if Flo were here if she'd be putting up with those two's behavior.

Flo would probably be rolling her eyes at the both of them spilling tea on them like Denise Clark-Bradford of the Clark Sisters lol

[Roberta75]

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/motown-60th-anniversary-2-12-2019/

[jobeterob]

John Legend performed a Marvin tribute.

I thought it might be him. I might be able to find and post it.

[midnightman]

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/motown-60th-anniversary-2-12-2019/

You beat me to posting this. :)

The lineup actually does look good. Meghan at least has a voice. ;)

But yeah not surprised Stevie got to close it out...

[jobeterob]

Hi Rob... I wanted to "see" Diana's "Best Years of My Life" and googled the ITUNE Charts but didn't see it at #50. The #50 spot was "Better Now" by Post Malone. Is there an R&B chart perhaps? Just curious. Thanks.

Yes it was the R & B chart; she and Motown had a lot of entries after the show.

[midnightman]

Yeah you have to check the iTunes R&B charts. Not pop ones.

[jobeterob]

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/motown-60th-anniversary-2-12-2019/

There's some performance clips there - Wonder, Ross, Legend, I think

[bradsupremes]

I have a friend involved with this show.

Gladys had a gig last night and couldn’t attend. I didn’t ask about Otis or others, but don’t assume folks werent asked just because they weren’t there. Mary will never be invited to perform or appear onstage at a Motown controlled production because of her erratic behavior and lack of respect to the plans. Crashing the stage at Motown The Musical cemented that forever. Sadly, I’m told by another source that Berry totally snubbed Mary even with her standing ten feet in front of him at one point looking fantastic and acting quite conspicuous. I’m going to discreetly enquirer about who she spoke to when the time is right so as not to embarrass her, but three sources state that she never got Gordy or Ross’ attention. The press would have exploded again with a pic of them but I guess Miss Ross is not, like Minnie Castevette, ”innerested.”

Looks like your sources are wrong. Here's a photo of Gordy with Mary and Claudette Robinson last night. Mary has been at a lot of events with Gordy since the musical opening and he never has snubbed her. There are lots of photos of them together, hugging, etc. In fact, Mary introduced me to Mr. Gordy back in 2015 and from what I saw the two of them had great affection for the other.

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[midnightman]

Thanks for clearing that up, Brad! I was concerned for a minute.

And FTR, Mary did talk with both Berry and Diana the night she took her bow with them during the end of MTM. So I don't know where MM's friend got that from.

[jobeterob]

I'm sure they can at least smile and say hello; they've hardly seen each other for 50 years; even feuding family members can generally get over it and smile for 20 seconds.

[daviddh]

maybe they could have had Mary sing with the other ladies from the Supremes , but then again. just a thought. obviously that didn't happen. in my mind I was hoping for Stoned Love.

[marybrewster]

Thanks for posting Brad. For as little as I know, I would have found it hard to believe that Mary and Berry would have zero interaction. I can't say for certain Berry would have approached her, but there's no way she would have not said hello to him. And say what everyone else might, I'd almost bet Mary and Diana at some point exchanged pleasantries.

What's disappointing about Motown 60, to me, is how wrong they got it. When you think about how many original players are still left and able to travel, every singer from the glory days should have been there: Kat from the Marvelettes, Roz, Nettie, Betty, and Lois from the Vandellas, Otis, Duke, and every living Supreme, with the exception of Cindy. You could even extend that to the Velvelettes and the Andantes, and of course, the Jackson 4. What is that, 20 people at most? Let them stand up and wave and be recognized for 6 decades of music.

Now maybe some were there. Maybe some couldn't make it. But if it was open to the public, there's no reason there shouldn't have been an invitation.

[Jimi LaLumia]

that picture, I hate to say it, looks doctored,like she was pasted on there...,how it looks to me anyway

[midnightman]

Why do you think it's shopped???

@marybrewster, I think there's a sad reason the Jackson 4 was not invited or were probably disinvited.

[bradsupremes]

that picture, I hate to say it, looks doctored,like she was pasted on there...,how it looks to me anyway

Huh??? It's definitely not photoshopped.

[marv2]

Ooooos. I guess I misheard

Yes, CBS. Remember that big Grammy Salute to Stevie Wonder a few years ago?

[marv2]

Thanks for posting Brad. For as little as I know, I would have found it hard to believe that Mary and Berry would have zero interaction. I can't say for certain Berry would have approached her, but there's no way she would have not said hello to him. And say what everyone else might, I'd almost bet Mary and Diana at some point exchanged pleasantries.

What's disappointing about Motown 60, to me, is how wrong they got it. When you think about how many original players are still left and able to travel, every singer from the glory days should have been there: Kat from the Marvelettes, Roz, Nettie, Betty, and Lois from the Vandellas, Otis, Duke, and every living Supreme, with the exception of Cindy. You could even extend that to the Velvelettes and the Andantes, and of course, the Jackson 4. What is that, 20 people at most? Let them stand up and wave and be recognized for 6 decades of music.

Now maybe some were there. Maybe some couldn't make it. But if it was open to the public, there's no reason there shouldn't have been an invitation.

Now I agree with and like your ideas here.

[marv2]

Looks like your sources are wrong. Here's a photo of Gordy with Mary and Claudette Robinson last night. Mary has been at a lot of events with Gordy since the musical opening and he never has snubbed her. There are lots of photos of them together, hugging, etc. In fact, Mary introduced me to Mr. Gordy back in 2015 and from what I saw the two of them had great affection for the other.

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You cannot believe almost anything this guy MotownManiac says ESPECIALLY when it comes to Mary Wilson or Berry Gordy. Mary and Berry are very close. Mary has also been represented in EVERY Motown Anniversary in some form or fashion, so I don't know what he is talking about and where he got that idea.

[marv2]

Looks like your sources are wrong. Here's a photo of Gordy with Mary and Claudette Robinson last night. Mary has been at a lot of events with Gordy since the musical opening and he never has snubbed her. There are lots of photos of them together, hugging, etc. In fact, Mary introduced me to Mr. Gordy back in 2015 and from what I saw the two of them had great affection for the other.

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They all look great! Thanks for the photo Brad.

[vgalindo]

that picture, I hate to say it, looks doctored,like she was pasted on there...,how it looks to me anyway
It does to me too now that I have taken a second look.

[marv2]

Mary at the Grammys

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She looks spectacular! Thank you!

[marv2]

Another pinched photo. Mary With Steven Aaron. Mary looks f-a-b-u-l-o-u-s

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Mary is looking as fine as ever........! Thank you again theboyfromxtown!!!

[Bluebrock]

It does to me too now that I have taken a second look.
I didn't really take much notice of this photo until you guys mentioned it, but now i think you may indeed have a point. This does not look natural.

[TheMotownManiac]

I dont plan on watching this nor did I watch the Grammys. I've been very disappointed in how Motown's legacy has been preserved over the years. I dont know if Berry Gordy lost it somewhere along the way or what.

I'm hesitant regarding this Motown documentary but I do plan on watching that one.

Shame to hear that at 75, Mary and Diana cant even say hello to each other. I wonder if Flo were here if she'd be putting up with those two's behavior.


Flo would have no say over who they talk to, so I doubt very much if she’d put up with it or not.

I do know now now that I was given wrong info about Berry snubbing Mary last night. They did speak and were friendly. My ”sources” saw Mary enter, and saw Berry notice and adjust away - they never saw them together, but another bud said they spoke and he saw it. As for Ross, she never was in the audience before the show, then suddenly appeared sitting next to Berry for her segment, sang Mahogany, good morning heartache and my man, then went up on stage with Berry, introduced him and walked off stage as Berry spoke. She got in her car and split so There would not have been a chance for mary and diana to speak should they have wanted to. Although taped about in the middle of the show, Ross’ segment will be shown at the end to close the broadcast.

Martha sang Nowhere To Run and Thelma Houston brought down the House with her number one. Stevie did 35 minutes And, oddly, no one can remember the Jacksons Or MJ even being mentioned - maybe a segment is going to be added later as I can’t imagine that at least the historic moonwalk would not have been referenced. No Lionel Richie. Otis was there but not on stage. At one point they asked for people in the audience who were part of the Motown family To stand, and that’s when people like Otis and Mary and others were acknowledged. I’m glad they had Martha and Thelma perform, but I’m shocked that the Temptations did not perform…… Again perhaps they’ll be some sort of video tribute added. Also, since Diana only sing solo songs, I wonder if there will be some sort of video tribute to the supreme us it would be odd if they weren’t mentioned.

[TheMotownManiac]

Thanks for clearing that up, Brad! I was concerned for a minute.

And FTR, Mary did talk with both Berry and Diana the night she took her bow with them during the end of MTM. So I don't know where MM's friend got that from.

my bud was doing press at the event and neither he, nor other friends saw Berryband Mary together, but another did and there’s a pic.

I was at Motown The Musical opening night and saw Exactly what happened. During the ceremony after the play, Diana, Stevie, Smokey and Berry were onstage with cast members when Mary and Gladys cane walking down the aisle toward the stage, went up the stairs [[used by thevross character to descend Into the audience for Reach out and touch) got up on stage and walked all the way across to the other end of the stage where Gordy and ross were…… Mary walked straight towards Diana kissed her fingers and raised them up in the air that look like perhaps she was going to slap her but instead it made the pleasant gesture of taking the kids that was on her lips and putting it on Diana‘s face. Nonetheless, Diana looked extremely uncomfortable. And it’s true that they took pictures together but that is absolutely not any kind of indication of their closeness. In fact, being a first-hand witness to that, I put the entire relationship to bed in my mind because it was it abundantly clear that while Diana would go through the motions of posing in front of the camera, she really wasn’t good enough actress to appear pleased to see Mary let alone Pose with her during an impromptu and totally uninvited and unexpected photo op. Now I know what Mary tells me, but I don’t know that I believe that she really does love Diana. Of course I’ve never met Diana so I have no idea what she Thinks about anything, But if body language and forced smile’s say anything, my prediction is that’s the last will see the two of them together. And if so, I’m actually glad they got their picture taken together so those wanting something like that get their wish.

[Albator]

I’ve just heard Diana singing Do you know and she was in splendid voice

[TheMotownManiac]

You cannot believe almost anything this guy MotownManiac says ESPECIALLY when it comes to Mary Wilson or Berry Gordy. Mary and Berry are very close. Mary has also been represented in EVERY Motown Anniversary in some form or fashion, so I don't know what he is talking about and where he got that idea.

I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.

[PeaceNHarmony]

I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.
Right?? I'm waiting for him to involve Diana & Berry in Russian election meddling, the Flint water crisis, and climate change. Imagine what a more productive person could do with the time this one wastes on trying to avenge a bodyguard for taking his camera. #laughingstock.

[Bluebrock]

Right?? I'm waiting for him to involve Diana & Berry in Russian election meddling, the Flint water crisis, and climate change. Imagine what a more productive person could do with the time this one wastes on trying to avenge a bodyguard for taking his camera. #laughingstock.

You will probably not have long to wait!

[Bluebrock]

I specifically stated that my sources told me because I myself didn’t witness it [[however, I did believe it to be accurate) As soon as I found out differently, I came on to correct the info - see above post. When, on the rare occasion I have been incorrect before, I’ve corrected it asap. I have no agenda or reason or desire to make stuff up like you do. And the difference is that when you are proved wrong, you just disappear from the thread and you DO have an agenda. Two of my faves of yours:

1)Diana Ross, in a major act of greed, gavecall and list all of her money with Bernie Madoff.

2) that Mary got her Hollywood Palace solo because the director thought it was unfair Ross got all the solos and TOLD Berry that Mary was doing a solo.

Need i I go On? There are dozens more.

In neither case case did you accept proof to the contrary. Even when one guy explained to you that Variety show directors have ZERO content control - they are there to bring the script to life. Several of us actually checked with Mary who said those decisions were made by Berry only.

the point of this forum, for most of us, is to share and learn about an art form we have a passion for - not to sway opinion with falsities.
Excellent response and explanation. You have no further need to explain yourself. If you know who is still determined to pick a fight we can dig out some of the occasions when he has been proved to be talking out of his rectum, and then not having the courage or manners to offer an apology. You have dignity and courtesy in abundance , and you can hold your head up high, unlike you know who. Respect to you.

[Albator]

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Hope this works :confused: She sounds so great :o

[zani57]

Although taped about in the middle of the show, Ross’ segment will be shown at the end to close the broadcast.
As for Ross, she never was in the audience before the show, then suddenly appeared sitting next to Berry for her segment, sang Mahogany, good morning heartache and my man, then went up on stage with Berry, introduced him and walked off stage as Berry spoke.


Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:

[jobeterob]

Thanks for that clip of My Man, one of her greatest performances

[PeaceNHarmony]

my bud was doing press at the event and neither he, nor other friends saw Berryband Mary together, but another did and there’s a pic.

I was at Motown The Musical opening night and saw Exactly what happened. During the ceremony after the play, Diana, Stevie, Smokey and Berry were onstage with cast members when Mary and Gladys cane walking down the aisle toward the stage, went up the stairs [[used by thevross character to descend Into the audience for Reach out and touch) got up on stage and walked all the way across to the other end of the stage where Gordy and ross were…… Mary walked straight towards Diana kissed her fingers and raised them up in the air that look like perhaps she was going to slap her but instead it made the pleasant gesture of taking the kids that was on her lips and putting it on Diana‘s face. Nonetheless, Diana looked extremely uncomfortable. And it’s true that they took pictures together but that is absolutely not any kind of indication of their closeness. In fact, being a first-hand witness to that, I put the entire relationship to bed in my mind because it was it abundantly clear that while Diana would go through the motions of posing in front of the camera, she really wasn’t good enough actress to appear pleased to see Mary let alone Pose with her during an impromptu and totally uninvited and unexpected photo op. Now I know what Mary tells me, but I don’t know that I believe that she really does love Diana. Of course I’ve never met Diana so I have no idea what she Thinks about anything, But if body language and forced smile’s say anything, my prediction is that’s the last will see the two of them together. And if so, I’m actually glad they got their picture taken together so those wanting something like that get their wish.

Interesting. There are many versions of this event but all seem quite similar and all seem to agree that Wilson, perpetuating the one career move she gets right, rushed up to the one person present guaranteed to get her publicity, Diana Ross.

We've all [[at least those of us who have actually had workplace/neighbor friend-quaintances...) had the experience of 'that person' who could just not give up the glom and move on, managing to spoil a perfectly nice, occasional meeting - in the same way that Wilson can't stop, at every given opportunity, mentioning that she briefly worked with Diana Ross 50 years ago.

Too, I can't help but remember Wilson's shock [[SHOCK!) that Diana DARED to approach her at Florence's funeral so that the two could remember together their fallen friend. I can only imagine the repercussions if Diana had not done so, but that's perhaps another thread.

Acting? Hmm. Two thoughts. 1) Even Meryl Streep couldn't act the part well enough; 2) Diana is a better actress than we think, being that she managed even to go through the motions and pose during the usual shenanigans.

[jobeterob]

I thought Diana looked like she might be sick

[khansperac]

Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:

Diana’s segment of the show was called “Movie Medley”. Someone who attended took a picture of the production log. It was only that section I saw . I’m sure her solo hits/ Supreme songs were represented in the show, either by video, or someone performing them.

[vgalindo]

Yes, those songs that everyone knows were big Motown hits -- "Good Morning, Heartache" and "My Man." :confused:
They were from her #1 album on the Billboard charts. The Soundtrack to "Lady Sings The Blues". So these are big Diana Ross songs.

[khansperac]

I know recent post in this thread are about Mary, or Diana, but This topic is about the taping of a Motown special. Why would it be moved out of the Motown section? So odd. Is there even any point now for me to say something about the Temptations or Marvellettes?

[zani57]

They were from her #1 album on the Billboard charts. The Soundtrack to "Lady Sings The Blues". So these are big Diana Ross songs.

While what you say about them appearing on a Number One album, I think a "Motown 60th Special" with non-Motown artists is geared for the casual viewer, not Motown aficianados like us. If you were to ask people, "Name some of Diana Ross' hits," I highly doubt most people on the street would answer "My Man" or even "Good Morning, Heartache." It shows how much things have changed since the 1960s. Diana probably was asked what she would like to sing and there was a "negotiation" about it.
Nothing really wrong with it, it's just that I would imagine that the average casual viewer will wonder, "Why not 'Upside Down' or 'I'm Comin' Out' ? "

[vgalindo]

While what you say about them appearing on a Number One album, I think a "Motown 60th Special" with non-Motown artists is geared for the casual viewer, not Motown aficianados like us. If you were to ask people, "Name some of Diana Ross' hits," I highly doubt most people on the street would answer "My Man" or even "Good Morning, Heartache." It shows how much things have changed since the 1960s. Diana probably was asked what she would like to sing and there was a "negotiation" about it.
Nothing really wrong with it, it's just that I would imagine that the average casual viewer will wonder, "Why not 'Upside Down' or 'I'm Comin' Out' ? "
I haven't seen the special but I was thinking these songs were chosen to highlight Motowns involvement or success in the Movies.

[Ollie9]

I for one am delighted Diana chose to sing "Good Morning Heartache" and "My Man". Now i am REALLY looking forward to seeing motown 60. As far i'm concerned she can keep "I'm Coming Out" for another day.

[jobeterob]

https://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00132697.html

[PeaceNHarmony]

I for one am delighted Diana chose to sing "Good Morning Heartache" and "My Man". Now i am REALLY looking forward to seeing motown 60. As far i'm concerned she can keep "I'm Coming Out" for another day.

I love & look foward to GMH and MM!

[PeaceNHarmony]

I thought Diana looked like she might be sick

... maybe she heard about who was in the audience ...

Oops. Did I think that out loud?:p

[marv2]

Looks like your sources are wrong. Here's a photo of Gordy with Mary and Claudette Robinson last night. Mary has been at a lot of events with Gordy since the musical opening and he never has snubbed her. There are lots of photos of them together, hugging, etc. In fact, Mary introduced me to Mr. Gordy back in 2015 and from what I saw the two of them had great affection for the other.

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That picture is not photo shopped LOL! Here is another of them taken that night:

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[jobeterob]

It’s tough to be a Mary’s fan now

She virtually left out of everything and unknown

[milven]

It’s tough to be a Mary’s fan now
She virtually left out of everything and unknown

She seems popular in Detroit. She got a gig as host for a fairly new awards show

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*Detroit, Michigan – Some of the biggest names in music have been nominated for the National Rhythm & Blues Hall of Fame Class of 2019. The ten [[10) artists with the most votes will be selected to join the Class of 2019. Winners will be announced March 1. The ceremony will be televised, which will take place on June 23rd, Black Music Month in Detroit, Michigan.

The host for this year ceremony will be former member of The Supremes, Mary Wilson.



She is even one of the nominees from which they will pick ten for inductiion.

Barry White

Stevie Wonder

Berry Gordy

Jackson 5

Johnny Gill

Howard Hewett

Keith Washington

Billy Paul

Mary Wilson

Aretha Franklin


Bobby “Blue” Bland

The Isley Brothers

Hank Crosby

Gamble & Huff

George Clinton

Janet Jackson

Jerry Lee Lewis

Keith Sweat

Mary J. Blige

Nat King Cole

Patti LaBelle

Peabo Bryson

Oprah Winfrey

Stephanie Mills

The Dells


This is not a dig, and I hope it does not come across as one, but if she is being considered for just her solo career, her name seems out of place with the other nominees. The Supremes were already inducted. Mary seems to be a favorite of the organization and of Detroit. Good luck to her as a nominee. Always nice to see former Supremes do well. The group and all its members have brought me a lot of joy.

https://www.rbhalloffame.com/images/RB-6.JPG

[midnightman]

They'll probably induct her as a music rights activist.

[jobeterob]

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.

[marv2]

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.

It says the name right there in big red letters. Amazing! LOL!!!

[vgalindo]

Is it only being shown in Detroit? I can't imagine Mary would host anything that was to be shown on the big networks.

[PeaceNHarmony]

Well she was a Supreme through the hit making years; this is very nice for her, whoever this Hall of Fame is.
And, let's not forget to give her kudos for not, during Diana's performance, jumping up and running through the audience screaming 'I was a Supreme once! How insulting to ME!!' before grabbing Diana's hand for a 'Reach Out' reprisal.

[TheMotownManiac]

LMFAO. It’s 9 am, zero degrees, I’m awakened by the sound of freezing rain hitting my window and I’m in bed crying tears from laughter - thank you for giving me a great start to an otherwise freezing cold, dark morning!

[Jimi LaLumia]

the WTF look on Gordy's face IS priceless so I guess it is real..more a scowl than a smile..

[jobeterob]

Various Gordy’s are on Facebook and I see and hear no whining and complain from them about Berry Motown or Diana - I see her referred to warmly and as Auntie

[TomatoTom123]

Great picture!! :)