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luke
08-03-2018, 09:19 PM
“I’d like to slap her[[Whitney) across the face[[just kidding)”. Nice to see her let her hair down[[no pun intended). Mentions her pending divorce.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvrdQuZtmk

lucky2012
08-03-2018, 09:45 PM
Never saw this before. A fun interview. Love her interviews with Oprah, Charlie Rose, etc. but this is refreshing.
She's funny and charming. Similar rapport she had with David Letterman. Thank you, Luke.

luke
08-03-2018, 10:08 PM
Your welcome lucky. I think a lot of hosts are too reverential with her. Maybe she likes to have fun!

marv2
08-03-2018, 10:30 PM
“I’d like to slap her[[Whitney) across the face[[just kidding)”. Nice to see her let her hair down[[no pun intended). Mentions her pending divorce.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvrdQuZtmk

I hardly think she was really joking. Diana Ross was enraged with jealousy over Whitney Houston. She had several opportunities to slap Whitney in the face, but didn't try it. She must have remembered she no longer had Flo and Mary around to protect her. Whitney would have broke her arm off and shove it far up her a**! LOL! Diana Ross is so crazy. LOL!

marv2
08-03-2018, 10:31 PM
Your welcome lucky. I think a lot of hosts are too reverential with her. Maybe she likes to have fun!

Yes, thanks Luke!

Roberta75
08-03-2018, 10:56 PM
I hardly think she was really joking. Diana Ross was enraged with jealousy over Whitney Houston. She had several opportunities to slap Whitney in the face, but didn't try it. She must have remembered she no longer had Flo and Mary around to protect her. Whitney would have broke her arm off and shove it far up her a**! LOL! Diana Ross is so crazy. LOL!

What is it with you and women fighting and unless Whitney or Diana [[and youve never met either) told you that there was jealousy) its just more made up stuff about your favorite target Diane Ross.

midnightman
08-04-2018, 12:14 AM
Whenever someone comes in and gets obsessed over women fighting and is too serious about it, just do this and move on, people:

https://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/tumblr_luirwwcuap1r3xg8ko4_250.gif?w=230&h=173

The back and forth is not worth it. :)

But yeah, I loved this interview.

marv2
08-04-2018, 12:24 AM
Whenever someone comes in and gets obsessed over women fighting and is too serious about it, just do this and move on, people:

https://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/tumblr_luirwwcuap1r3xg8ko4_250.gif?w=230&h=173

The back and forth is not worth it. :)

But yeah, I loved this interview.

Patti has said that she was going to go to Detroit and cut that heifer [[diana ross) for taking Cindy away from her group! LOL! Every female singer in the sixties got into or want to fight Diana Ross LOL!

jobeterob
08-04-2018, 12:42 AM
Whenever someone comes in and gets obsessed over women fighting and is too serious about it, just do this and move on, people:

https://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/tumblr_luirwwcuap1r3xg8ko4_250.gif?w=230&h=173

The back and forth is not worth it. :)

But yeah, I loved this interview.

Hidden syndromes? Lent up unhappiness? No life other than an online persona?

midnightman
08-04-2018, 12:56 AM
Eh. Just let them talk. Better than confront it and mess up the dialog among the Supremes fans. :)

http://38.media.tumblr.com/2f847a12df2ab3595e3447269368676f/tumblr_n7go13S99D1sgr0pqo1_500.gif

marv2
08-04-2018, 12:59 AM
Hidden syndromes? Lent up unhappiness? No life other than an online persona?

Shouldn't you be somewhere helping with the huge Opioid crisis in your town. I just heard the other day they had 63 overdoses in one hour there! I couldn't believe it. Are you helping out?

marv2
08-04-2018, 01:03 AM
Diane was so insanely jealous of Whitney that she could barely hide it here LOL!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1Y5Ln9PzVw

jobeterob
08-04-2018, 02:20 AM
Hidden syndromes? Lent up unhappiness? No life other than an online persona?

It’s true - shouldn’t stoop

The true relationship between the Ross’s and the Houston’s was shown when Evan publicly berated an audience for booing Whitney

Enough said

midnightman
08-04-2018, 02:23 AM
Also, pictures speak volumes sometimes:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/13/ee/c513ee08b7938b57758f6972c39729a8.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/44/54/28/4454289f9d2962ede30f241ddb42a05b.jpg

Bluebrock
08-04-2018, 02:33 AM
“I’d like to slap her[[Whitney) across the face[[just kidding)”. Nice to see her let her hair down[[no pun intended). Mentions her pending divorce.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mmvrdQuZtmk
I was with Diana for the recording of this. She was in great spirits. It was her first visit to the UK following the infamous "airport" incident. The following day she recorded "an audience with Diana Ross" which was also great fun to attend.

Bluebrock
08-04-2018, 02:36 AM
Shouldn't you be somewhere helping with the huge Opioid crisis in your town. I just heard the other day they had 63 overdoses in one hour there! I couldn't believe it. Are you helping out?
This is uncalled for and in very poor taste. You really do need to sort out whatever it is in your life that makes you behave in such a bitter and twisted way.

Bluebrock
08-04-2018, 02:41 AM
I hardly think she was really joking. Diana Ross was enraged with jealousy over Whitney Houston. She had several opportunities to slap Whitney in the face, but didn't try it. She must have remembered she no longer had Flo and Mary around to protect her. Whitney would have broke her arm off and shove it far up her a**! LOL! Diana Ross is so crazy. LOL!
"Diana Ross is so crazy"? I think it is you who is the crazy one coming up with pathetic and ridiculous statements such as this. What is your problem? Life is too short to behave in such a nasty and venomous way.

Albator
08-04-2018, 05:48 AM
"Diana Ross is so crazy"? I think it is you who is the crazy one coming up with pathetic and ridiculous statements such as this. What is your problem? Life is too short to behave in such a nasty and venomous way.I would rather think that, if anyone has been and is the object of delusional jealousy, it is Diana Ross.

TheMotownManiac
08-04-2018, 07:18 AM
I hardly think she was really joking. Diana Ross was enraged with jealousy over Whitney Houston. She had several opportunities to slap Whitney in the face, but didn't try it. She must have remembered she no longer had Flo and Mary around to protect her. Whitney would have broke her arm off and shove it far up her a**! LOL! Diana Ross is so crazy. LOL!

Well, I doubt very much that Diana wanted to slap Whitney across the face - what good would that do? Maybe she was jealous in some way - I’m sure a lot of singers were a little envious of Whitney’s gigantic success, maybe she wasn’t also - of all people, YOU don’t know - but I enjoy you’re ability to present your obsessive projections onto Ross and others. Maybe Diana, like many, knew that while Whitney was a mega talent and success, she was also just a low class, ghetto frump [[https://youtu.be/PpgR-2CVJPE) and wouldn’t trade places with her crazy ass for nothing!
‘I often wonder what kind of violent household you grew up in to constantly seek out violence as a way to settle disputes and conclude differences of opinion. Most people use rational thought to get along in this world. Where I grew up, fighting was a rarity and usually was enraged by the intoxicated or raging hormone pubescent teens.......not adults. To my knowledge, none of my family, friends or co-workers have ever been in a fight - and if so, it was probably before their tenth birthday.
‘Just 5 years after this video, Whitney was becoming a hot mess and had a drug problem that was causing her to miss events and effect her work. In less than ten, she was a verifiable hot mess with the bad judgement to raise a poor child to grow into a hot mess. There’s really not a lot to envy here overall, sadly. I wish you peace, Marv. I wish you well.

marv2
08-04-2018, 11:44 AM
Also, pictures speak volumes sometimes:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c5/13/ee/c513ee08b7938b57758f6972c39729a8.png

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/44/54/28/4454289f9d2962ede30f241ddb42a05b.jpg

Yeah, I don't see her slapping Whitney. She knew what she would have got if she had tried. LOL!!!!

Roberta75
08-04-2018, 01:02 PM
Yeah, I don't see her slapping Whitney. She knew what she would got if she had tried. LOL!!!!

There must be a ladies wrestling match you can go watch since women beating women seems to be your thing. You don't contribue anything but anger and bile in Diana Ross or the Supremes thread and everyones onto you. Your sad. Real real sad indeed.

TheMotownManiac
08-04-2018, 01:12 PM
There must be a ladies wrestling match you can go watch since women beating women seems to be your thing. You don't contribue anything but anger and bile in Diana Ross or the Supremes thread and everyones onto you. Your sad. Real real sad indeed.
https://youtu.be/QKDRHQQUIrE

Roberta75
08-04-2018, 01:15 PM
https://youtu.be/QKDRHQQUIrE

LOLOLOLOL lets buy him a floor seat to these matches.

Albator
08-04-2018, 03:09 PM
the solitary, distraught man cannot direct this fierce aggressiveness which consumes him against anyone, he therefore has no other target than members of the forum who rejoice on Diana's recent success on the charts. :confused:

midnightman
08-04-2018, 06:47 PM
Well this is a guy who thinks Ike Turner and Bobby Brown were decent people so...

https://media.tenor.com/images/155fa27b884bf888c8f2cc54bde86666/tenor.gif

Roberta75
08-04-2018, 07:08 PM
Well this is a guy who thinks Ike Turner and Bobby Brown were decent people so...

https://media.tenor.com/images/155fa27b884bf888c8f2cc54bde86666/tenor.gif

Yep and has a man crush on wife beater Pedro Ferrer.

PeaceNHarmony
08-04-2018, 07:41 PM
Hidden syndromes? Lent up unhappiness? No life other than an online persona?
Bing Bing Bing! We have a winner!

marybrewster
08-05-2018, 05:30 PM
Diana was having fun. I've never seen this but love it! Thank you for posting.

marybrewster
08-05-2018, 05:33 PM
Whitney in concert:

https://youtu.be/MqGixvPOr3g

marybrewster
08-05-2018, 05:34 PM
Whitney on Diana:

https://youtu.be/-7z1lfy0Cgk

marybrewster
08-05-2018, 05:38 PM
Whitney in concert, again:

https://youtu.be/MwQPRo4i3qw

marv2
08-05-2018, 08:08 PM
Well this is a guy who thinks Ike Turner and Bobby Brown were decent people so...

https://media.tenor.com/images/155fa27b884bf888c8f2cc54bde86666/tenor.gif

I thought better of you than that. You have never heard or seen a post of mine that states that I think Ike Turner and Bobby Brown were decent people. If anything I brought up the fact that the women you always are defending were not completely innocent in their situations. Blame everything on the man has been the routine in this messed up "society" we now live in. I'd appreciate you not lying on me like this! I understand that you do these things to try to impress some of these folks on here,but they are not worth impressing if you have to make up lies on others to do so. It's sick.

luke
08-05-2018, 08:56 PM
Quite interesting that people go after a person personally who posts his views about a singer rather than just stating their views about the singer. They are doing what they object to only worse. I hope Ralph deletes this thread for the lack of respect.

Roberta75
08-05-2018, 09:36 PM
Quite interesting that people go after a person personally who posts his views about a singer rather than just stating their views about the singer. They are doing what they object to only worse. I hope Ralph deletes this thread for the lack of respect.


Keep hoping hon. Ralphs wisely staying outta this whole Supremes mess.

midnightman
08-06-2018, 12:02 AM
Ralph said he ain't got nothing to do with it. This thread is doing alright regardless anyway.

marybrewster
08-06-2018, 12:41 AM
Ralph said he ain't got nothing to do with it. This thread is doing alright regardless anyway.

There always one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch. Wait, that's another thread. Lol. The trick is the "block" button. ;)

Albator
08-06-2018, 01:55 AM
Quite interesting that people go after a person personally who posts his views about a singer rather than just stating their views about the singer. They are doing what they object to only worse. I hope Ralph deletes this thread for the lack of respect.What are those views?

jobeterob
08-06-2018, 02:19 AM
Um - is there a difference between posting your views about a singer and stating your views about the singer? Seems to be the same thing to me

If your an ass consistently and persistently, you deserve to be told so

And when many many many people say so endlessly, you should be taking the message to heart

Unless of course, you just want to do it to attract attention and because you have no other life

vgalindo
08-06-2018, 09:43 AM
Quite interesting that people go after a person personally who posts his views about a singer rather than just stating their views about the singer. They are doing what they object to only worse. I hope Ralph deletes this thread for the lack of respect.
I don't understand. Lack of respect? Really? Is his view to slander a singer he doesn't even know on a daily basis. And he sure doesn't give anyone else respect that disagrees with him.

RanRan79
08-06-2018, 09:58 AM
Who cares what Nobody-Talks-About-Diane-But-I-Talk-About-Diane-All-the-Time has to say about anything? Y'all always letting him derail the conversation. So now nearly every post after his has been about him vs the actual video. Clearly he's a diva who wants all of the attention on himself and not anyone else. He'll never be Diana, so please stop making him feel like he can. When he starts talking silly talk, ignore him.

The Supremes section had been doing so good. No surprise who would set it off.

PeaceNHarmony
08-06-2018, 11:07 AM
Um - is there a difference between posting your views about a singer and stating your views about the singer? Seems to be the same thing to me

If your an ass consistently and persistently, you deserve to be told so

And when many many many people say so endlessly, you should be taking the message to heart

Unless of course, you just want to do it to attract attention and because you have no other life
I regret to have to agree. If the moderator is powerless to call out/control a poster I guess it ends up to other members.

carlo
08-06-2018, 12:32 PM
It’s true - shouldn’t stoop

The true relationship between the Ross’s and the Houston’s was shown when Evan publicly berated an audience for booing Whitney

Enough said

I haven't heard this story. I am curious. When did this happen?

midnightman
08-06-2018, 01:02 PM
There always one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch. Wait, that's another thread. Lol. The trick is the "block" button. ;)

The block button was genius. It's like a ghost post. :)

carlo
08-06-2018, 01:37 PM
It’s true - shouldn’t stoop

The true relationship between the Ross’s and the Houston’s was shown when Evan publicly berated an audience for booing Whitney

Enough said

I answered my own question. I believe this is the story you were referencing. Whitney was not boo'ed but Evan came to her defense at an event where a disrespectful parody was being performed onstage, less than a week after her death.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/diana-ross-son-offended-stage-show-lampooned-whitney-houston-made-light-drug-article-1.1024312

jobeterob
08-06-2018, 02:06 PM
I answered my own question. I believe this is the story you were referencing. Whitney was not boo'ed but Evan came to her defense at an event where a disrespectful parody was being performed onstage, less than a week after her death.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/diana-ross-son-offended-stage-show-lampooned-whitney-houston-made-light-drug-article-1.1024312

Thanks for finding it - that’s the correct incident

It’s always an error to think we know too much about everything especially other people’s relationships

Jaap
08-06-2018, 04:41 PM
I don't know whether or not Diana Ross was actually jealous of Whitney Houston, it was definitely something the press like to put forward in the late 1980s, and not just the tabloid press [[the 1989 cover story in Vanity Fair claimed Ross was "obsessed" by Houston). Diva stories do well in the papers and it is a shame artists are pitted against each other--happening most often to women and particularly women of color. Jealous or not, it seems that Ross was and is quite comfortable with the level of fame she had in comparison to Madonna, Michael Jackson, and Whitney Houston. Unlike them, she was and is able to lead a relatively "normal" life, not having to go in disguise when she goes out. Today on Instagram someone posted a picture of Ross sitting next to her in the Apple store taking the Apple class! Her only real regret [[as she has expressed many times in interviews and her autobiography) is not being able to do the Josephine Baker story on the big screen. Although there is quite an overlap in the style of music [[four of the ten songs on Whitney Houston's first album were Michael Masser ballads) and possible movie projects [[The Bodyguard was initially intended for Ross), the two performers are very different, particularly Houston's voice which is a quite different instrument than Ross's one. Houston is sadly missed, and I'm sure Ross would agree.

midnightman
08-06-2018, 04:49 PM
Diana and Whitney both expressed respect to one another. You can tell in the performance they did together at Ali's 50th birthday show that there was respect between the two divas.

RanRan79
08-08-2018, 08:34 AM
I think there was some rivalry. When Whitney hit big, Diana was on the decline. While they were two different types of voices, Whitney was becoming known as the new "it" girl in Diana's lane. Diana was the Queen of crossover. What other Black woman [[and certainly no white woman) commanded the adoration and hit singles among Black AND white audiences than Diana Ross in pop/r&b music? Nobody that I can think of on Diana's scale, until Whitney comes in. And you have several years of Whitney taking the world by storm like Diana did, and with one of Diana's producers, but doing it even better [[in terms of success). Whitney was pulling seven consecutive number ones at a time that Diana was dealing with a failed album and some bad publicity thanks to Mary's book. There's no way the Diana Ross would have been happy to have a Whitney Houston around. And no doubt that Whitney relished coming for Diana's crown too. But for the most part they both seemed to have the utmost respect for one another and their rivalry appears to be the healthy kind.

Bluebrock
08-08-2018, 08:47 AM
I don't know whether or not Diana Ross was actually jealous of Whitney Houston, it was definitely something the press like to put forward in the late 1980s, and not just the tabloid press [[the 1989 cover story in Vanity Fair claimed Ross was "obsessed" by Houston). Diva stories do well in the papers and it is a shame artists are pitted against each other--happening most often to women and particularly women of color. Jealous or not, it seems that Ross was and is quite comfortable with the level of fame she had in comparison to Madonna, Michael Jackson, and Whitney Houston. Unlike them, she was and is able to lead a relatively "normal" life, not having to go in disguise when she goes out. Today on Instagram someone posted a picture of Ross sitting next to her in the Apple store taking the Apple class! Her only real regret [[as she has expressed many times in interviews and her autobiography) is not being able to do the Josephine Baker story on the big screen. Although there is quite an overlap in the style of music [[four of the ten songs on Whitney Houston's first album were Michael Masser ballads) and possible movie projects [[The Bodyguard was initially intended for Ross), the two performers are very different, particularly Houston's voice which is a quite different instrument than Ross's one. Houston is sadly missed, and I'm sure Ross would agree.
I am not sure Diana was jealous of Whitney, but she was no doubt envious of her success, but i think we can safely say that the likes of Aretha, Dionne, Gladys, Patti and just about every other female singer active during that period were also a little envious of Whitney's success, but i never once heard Diana speak ill of Whitney. The only other female singer whom i heard her say anything remotely uncomplimentary about was Madonna, and there were very good reasons for that which i will not go into here.

Bluebrock
08-08-2018, 08:48 AM
I think there was some rivalry. When Whitney hit big, Diana was on the decline. While they were two different types of voices, Whitney was becoming known as the new "it" girl in Diana's lane. Diana was the Queen of crossover. What other Black woman [[and certainly no white woman) commanded the adoration and hit singles among Black AND white audiences than Diana Ross in pop/r&b music? Nobody that I can think of on Diana's scale, until Whitney comes in. And you have several years of Whitney taking the world by storm like Diana did, and with one of Diana's producers, but doing it even better [[in terms of success). Whitney was pulling seven consecutive number ones at a time that Diana was dealing with a failed album and some bad publicity thanks to Mary's book. There's no way the Diana Ross would have been happy to have a Whitney Houston around. And no doubt that Whitney relished coming for Diana's crown too. But for the most part they both seemed to have the utmost respect for one another and their rivalry appears to be the healthy kind.
The only one who springs to mind is Donna Summer who had great success in the late 70's and early 80's.

reese
08-08-2018, 09:03 AM
The only one who springs to mind is Donna Summer who had great success in the late 70's and early 80's.

I remember in 1979, RIGHT ON! magazine did a Who's Hot, Who's Not issue. Donna was thought to be hot, while Diana was not. In the 80s, they did a similar issue, only this time with Whitney being hot, and Diana not. Even though a decade had passed, they were still holding Diana as the standard to whom others would be compared.

midnightman
08-08-2018, 12:26 PM
I remember in 1979, RIGHT ON! magazine did a Who's Hot, Who's Not issue. Donna was thought to be hot, while Diana was not. In the 80s, they did a similar issue, only this time with Whitney being hot, and Diana not. Even though a decade had passed, they were still holding Diana as the standard to whom others would be compared.

Diana had climbed the top in ways that wasn't imagined BEFORE Donna and Whitney became what they were. She was hailed Billboard's Entertainer of the Century in 1976.

And you know what happens to artists who became larger-than-life icons especially of Diana's magnitude, people try to pull that artist down. Happened to Diana, happened to MJ and it eventually happened to Whitney.

RanRan79
08-08-2018, 01:53 PM
The only one who springs to mind is Donna Summer who had great success in the late 70's and early 80's.

Donna was one of the biggies, but I don't think she was ever going to be considered the artist that Diana was, not in terms of popularity and all around appeal. Donna was the Queen of Disco. While Diana had obviously entered- and was appreciated and vocally comfortable- in the disco genre, she had proven herself far beyond that. Diana's appeal was to everyone. She was a successful recording artist and actress, and her television specials weren't to be missed. If anything, Diana started stepping on Donna's toes by going disco, as opposed to Donna doing what Diana was mostly known for doing. There may have been some friendly rivalry there [[we know they appreciated one another) but I doubt if Diana was as unnerved about Donna as she may have been about Whitney.

RanRan79
08-08-2018, 01:55 PM
I remember in 1979, RIGHT ON! magazine did a Who's Hot, Who's Not issue. Donna was thought to be hot, while Diana was not. In the 80s, they did a similar issue, only this time with Whitney being hot, and Diana not. Even though a decade had passed, they were still holding Diana as the standard to whom others would be compared.

The sentence in bold says a lot. I think Jet also did a who's hot/not issue in the mid 70s with Diana, Aretha and Natalie. I think it was Right On that also had another hot/not issue but it was between Aretha and Natalie, with Ree on the losing end.

RanRan79
08-08-2018, 01:58 PM
Diana had climbed the top in ways that wasn't imagined BEFORE Donna and Whitney became what they were. She was hailed Billboard's Entertainer of the Century in 1976.

And you know what happens to artists who became larger-than-life icons especially of Diana's magnitude, people try to pull that artist down. Happened to Diana, happened to MJ and it eventually happened to Whitney.

You got it. But Diana always seems to be able to get back up on her feet and do her thing and the public still largely loves her. No book or interview has ever prospered in the goal of taking her down.

Albator
08-08-2018, 02:47 PM
I am not sure Diana was jealous of Whitney, but she was no doubt envious of her success, but i think we can safely say that the likes of Aretha, Dionne, Gladys, Patti and just about every other female singer active during that period were also a little envious of Whitney's success, but i never once heard Diana speak ill of Whitney. The only other female singer whom i heard her say anything remotely uncomplimentary about was Madonna, and there were very good reasons for that which i will not go into here.For years it was rumored she was jealous of Barbra Streisand. Jealous seems an odd word to describe her feelings or thoughts.
But in this interview, she seems very defensive when Streisand is mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfPIhqNX7o4

reese
08-08-2018, 03:39 PM
The sentence in bold says a lot. I think Jet also did a who's hot/not issue in the mid 70s with Diana, Aretha and Natalie. I think it was Right On that also had another hot/not issue but it was between Aretha and Natalie, with Ree on the losing end.

The JET article was something like "Is There Room At Top For The Big Three of Songs?"

Diana stayed out of the fray. But Aretha said something like while she enjoyed Natalie, she didn't have the equipment to take anything away from Aretha, and that she would tell Natalie that herself. [[LOL). Then in Rolling Stone, Natalie said that she thought she was a better singer than Diana, and would put herself up against her any day.

It was nice to see that Diana and Natalie became friendly, and it seems Aretha and Natalie came to a nice place as well. I went to see Aretha in concert the day that Natalie's death was announced and she did a touching version of INSEPARABLE in her honor.

midnightman
08-08-2018, 05:39 PM
Natalie said years after that [[one-sided) beef with Aretha, they saw at each other at some awards show or whatever [[I forget) and kicked it like they were old friends and got along real good afterwards.

Also Diana and Natalie being friends also proves you can grow from being green in the music industry. With age should come wisdom.

Bluebrock
08-09-2018, 02:55 AM
For years it was rumored she was jealous of Barbra Streisand. Jealous seems an odd word to describe her feelings or thoughts.
But in this interview, she seems very defensive when Streisand is mentioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfPIhqNX7o4
She was a big admirer of Streisand, and was probably envious of her ability to record the songs she wanted to, make the films she wanted to, and basically not conform in any way. Perhaps she was jealous, but first and foremost Diana was a big fan of Streisand.

Albator
08-09-2018, 06:08 AM
She was a big admirer of Streisand, and was probably envious of her ability to record the songs she wanted to, make the films she wanted to, and basically not conform in any way. Perhaps she was jealous, but first and foremost Diana was a big fan of Streisand.I still wonder if they knew each other?

RanRan79
08-09-2018, 09:13 AM
The JET article was something like "Is There Room At Top For The Big Three of Songs?"

Diana stayed out of the fray. But Aretha said something like while she enjoyed Natalie, she didn't have the equipment to take anything away from Aretha, and that she would tell Natalie that herself. [[LOL). Then in Rolling Stone, Natalie said that she thought she was a better singer than Diana, and would put herself up against her any day.

It was nice to see that Diana and Natalie became friendly, and it seems Aretha and Natalie came to a nice place as well. I went to see Aretha in concert the day that Natalie's death was announced and she did a touching version of INSEPARABLE in her honor.

Yes, "Is There Room" was the article I was thinking of. I recall reading that Aretha said she would tell Natalie that to her face. Love the Queen like I do, but somebody should've gotten in her ass. I never knew Natalie had said that about Diana. For all of the stories about Diana in relation to other female singers, she never seems to have a bad word to say about any of them, except for Mary Wilson, when the two were playing out their beef publicly around the time of RTL.

RanRan79
08-09-2018, 09:14 AM
With age should come wisdom.

Say that again for the people in back, please. Some folks don't seem to get it.

lucky2012
08-09-2018, 10:40 AM
Yes, "Is There Room" was the article I was thinking of. I recall reading that Aretha said she would tell Natalie that to her face. Love the Queen like I do, but somebody should've gotten in her ass. I never knew Natalie had said that about Diana. For all of the stories about Diana in relation to other female singers, she never seems to have a bad word to say about any of them, except for Mary Wilson, when the two were playing out their beef publicly around the time of RTL.
I remember reading about Natalie's comment about Diana but I also recall she later claimed she was either misquoted or taken out of context. In the same interview she was shaken by Aretha's hostility but was grateful that Diana hadn't reacted to or taken offense to her supposed comment.
You are right, I've never read any negative comments about other female singers by Diana. Even her comments about Mary to Barbara Walters re RTL could have gone further south, but didn't.

lucky2012
08-09-2018, 11:26 AM
I am not sure Diana was jealous of Whitney, but she was no doubt envious of her success, but i think we can safely say that the likes of Aretha, Dionne, Gladys, Patti and just about every other female singer active during that period were also a little envious of Whitney's success
A safe bet. I think only Madonna in the 80's and early 90's would have had no reason to "envy" Whitney's success.


The only other female singer whom i heard her say anything remotely uncomplimentary about was Madonna, and there were very good reasons for that which i will not go into here.

I'm surprised because Madonna has said very complimentary things about Diana.

khansperac
08-09-2018, 11:34 AM
I believe that in an interview with Graham Norton [[ I think it was him ) around 1999 early 2000’s she said that Madonna was rude to Diana’s children. We all know Diana don’t play when it comes to her kids.

lucky2012
08-09-2018, 12:10 PM
She was a big admirer of Streisand, and was probably envious of her ability to record the songs she wanted to, make the films she wanted to, and basically not conform in any way. Perhaps she was jealous, but first and foremost Diana was a big fan of Streisand.
Right on! [[Some 70's speak :)) Streisand was definitely a role model to be admired. Diana may or may not have been "jealous", but, in my admittedly dim memory, in the 70's, in magazines like People and Rolling Stone, Diana Ross was mentioned as a member of a couple of "trios". Barbra, Diana & Liza were hailed as the preeminent female superstar entertainers of the day. Aretha, Diana & Dionne were considered the three most successful black female recording artists of the time. She could also arguably have been considered at least one of the three top female recording artists of that decade.

midnightman
08-09-2018, 09:37 PM
What's clear: Diana is one of the biggest icons of all time. Her stature just grew to mythic proportions in the '70s and '80s. Everyone knows that.

vgalindo
08-09-2018, 10:39 PM
Right on! [[Some 70's speak :)) Streisand was definitely a role model to be admired. Diana may or may not have been "jealous", but, in my admittedly dim memory, in the 70's, in magazines like People and Rolling Stone, Diana Ross was mentioned as a member of a couple of "trios". Barbra, Diana & Liza were hailed as the preeminent female superstar entertainers of the day. Aretha, Diana & Dionne were considered the three most successful black female recording artists of the time. She could also arguably have been considered at least one of the three top female recording artists of that decade.
People magazine had an article and said Diana was one of the 3 highest paid actresses with Barbra Streisand and Faye Dunaway. Barbara Walters also said that when she interviewed Diana.

marv2
08-09-2018, 11:05 PM
People magazine had an article and said Diana was one of the 3 highest paid actresses with Barbra Streisand and Faye Dunaway. Barbara Walters also said that when she interviewed Diana.

Yeah ok, then why is it that when she left Motown [[ she made all of her 3 films while there), did she leave with only $200,000 -$250,000 an no real property?

marv2
08-09-2018, 11:08 PM
I remember in 1979, RIGHT ON! magazine did a Who's Hot, Who's Not issue. Donna was thought to be hot, while Diana was not. In the 80s, they did a similar issue, only this time with Whitney being hot, and Diana not. Even though a decade had passed, they were still holding Diana as the standard to whom others would be compared.

That's because it was true. The peak of Diane's "solo career" was roughly from 1970-80 with a fair number of hits and misses. She had more misses in terms of hit recordings during that period.

Roberta75
08-09-2018, 11:57 PM
That's because it was true. The peak of Diane's "solo career" was roughly from 1970-80 with a fair number of hits and misses. She had more misses in terms of hit recordings during that period.

Why dont you give yourself and all your negativity a break from all things Diane Ross. Your played out here and your obsession with all things Diana Ross isnt real healthy and its old and real real tired. Go enjoy life and leave a woman you clearly live to hate alone. ENOUGH!!!!

vgalindo
08-10-2018, 12:07 AM
Yeah ok, then why is it that when she left Motown [[ she made all of her 3 films while there), did she leave with only $200,000 -$250,000 an no real property?

Well Marv I don't know what she did with the money. Maybe she spent it before she left Motown. I really don't know her finances at the time. But it is well known that Universal paid her a million dollars.
Here is Barbara Walters saying that Diana can and does demand a million dollars a film!
Watch closely and pay attention!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwCxVjGFR4&t=49s

TheMotownManiac
08-10-2018, 01:06 AM
Diana has remained hot - relatively speaking for decades. Her record sales have paled for decades but her live show still brings her millions every year for not many gigs and still sells out stadiums internationally when she does them. Every city bids on her when she goes out. She outdraws all of her peers by a ton - except one: Tina. Gladys can’t get a solo gig anymore, Dionne plays dumps, Patti does very well in certain urban markets, Martha......well, she does well enough and Mary rarely gets a gig that requires a ticket.

Diana may not be “hot” but 99.999999999% of musical acts out there would kill to be a cold as she.

Bluebrock
08-10-2018, 02:24 AM
I still wonder if they knew each other?
Not really. They have met up at various functions, but to my knowledge they have never met up on a one to one basis.

marybrewster
08-10-2018, 04:07 AM
and Mary rarely gets a gig that requires a ticket.

Not sure how true that is, but ticket it not, rest assured Mary is getting paid.

jobucats
08-10-2018, 08:03 AM
....Diana may not be “hot” but 99.999999999% of musical acts out there would kill to be a cold as she.

This goes down as one of the most profound statements ever. I don't see how anyone, even her haters, could challenge that. [[except the few hardcore haters that are going to ask where you got the 99.999999999% data from....LOL)

milven
08-10-2018, 08:55 AM
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You are right, I've never read any negative comments about other female singers by Diana. Even her comments about Mary to Barbara Walters re RTL could have gone further south, but didn't.

Diana seems to have a desire to keep everything in her life positive. She tries to keep negative vibes out of her life. The only two negative moments that I remember are your reference 20/20 interview with Barbara Walters , which was speedily set up after the previous nights Prime Time interview with Mary about RTL And she did the rebuttal eloquantly and Diana went out of her way to keep negativity and personal attacks out of it , and yet defend her position and tell her side of events.

The second time was when she was on Larry King telling her side of the story of the events that happened in the airport in England.

Diana stays quiet and we seldom see her on interviews seeking publicity. She does not need it. So, she must have had a very strong desire to speak up publicly on these two events

PeaceNHarmony
08-10-2018, 08:56 AM
Diana has remained hot - relatively speaking for decades. Her record sales have paled for decades but her live show still brings her millions every year for not many gigs and still sells out stadiums internationally when she does them. Every city bids on her when she goes out. She outdraws all of her peers by a ton - except one: Tina. Gladys can’t get a solo gig anymore, Dionne plays dumps, Patti does very well in certain urban markets, Martha......well, she does well enough and Mary rarely gets a gig that requires a ticket.

Diana may not be “hot” but 99.999999999% of musical acts out there would kill to be a cold as she.
True. And funny that Diana had a #1 chart success recently as well!

RanRan79
08-10-2018, 10:01 AM
Diana may not be “hot” but 99.999999999% of musical acts out there would kill to be a cold as she.

You got that right!!

lucky2012
08-10-2018, 10:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwCxVjGFR4&t=49s
Never saw this before. [[Love this forum). Surreal to see new [[to me) footage of Diana at her peak, knowing all that she has been through since. I smiled when she told of her dream of a house with grass and picket fence for her children, knowing she would soon be living in Connecticut. She wanted to be in love again and a husband was "of course!" essential for the family unit. Arne Naess and her sons were just a few years down the road. She seemed thoughtful and trying to be honest with her answers. Without going deeper, she told at least a basic truth about Florence being overwhelmed and too tired. It was interesting to see the Eula poster hanging in her house as she told Barbara that Oct. 15, 1965 at the Copa was the Supremes at their height, and that their lives were so hectic that they probably looked older then than now. Lol. [[That poster was the best $5 purchase I ever made at Tower Records!)
Anyway, thank you, vgalindo.

midnightman
08-10-2018, 11:53 AM
Diana has remained hot - relatively speaking for decades. Her record sales have paled for decades but her live show still brings her millions every year for not many gigs and still sells out stadiums internationally when she does them. Every city bids on her when she goes out. She outdraws all of her peers by a ton - except one: Tina. Gladys can’t get a solo gig anymore, Dionne plays dumps, Patti does very well in certain urban markets, Martha......well, she does well enough and Mary rarely gets a gig that requires a ticket.

Diana may not be “hot” but 99.999999999% of musical acts out there would kill to be a cold as she.

I would say of those divas mentioned in terms of how they're booking performances [[can't count Tina because she's been retired since 2009), here who comes out on top:

1.) Diana [[she books big shows here and still books arena shows in Europe when she wants; Glastonbury still is offering her money for a gig there and her turning them down shows she's not scrambling for money).
2.) Patti [[she's become [in my over expressive gay voice] an entrepreNEUUUUURRRAAAH; the Patti pies made her a darn fortune, she has a cooking show right now on OWN, and she still performs to sell out crowds at urban markets as mentioned but she also performs much less than when she did on her heyday).
3.) Mary [[in terms of what she sings, she'll bring the paper. Singing the Supremes songs keeps her getting food and a roof on her head, can't hate on that. She ain't no dummy. She might not perform the Supremes songs as well as Diana and Jean but she, as Mary Wells would say, "holds her own"; plus being a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer and letting it be known that she is a Supreme, people will come to see her).
4.) Martha [[decent gigs both here and overseas, she's not performing in dumps so like Mary, she does well to pay the bills. Also, like Mary, she can brag about being a Hall of Famer and those baby boomer fans will still pack crowds to see her because she's a true entertainer and live performer).

It's sad that Gladys and Dionne, as legendary as they are, are not bringing in the money anymore. But it seems Gladys doesn't hurt for money since she recently put her house on the market and is probably settling at another house in Vegas.

Dionne on the other hand?

GURL... now that's the tragic story of all of them. She's the ONLY one I know [[I don't know about Mary or Martha) in this list that had to file for bankruptcy to protect the rest of her monies.

But thing about Diana, she was one of the first black MEGASTARS. We didn't have someone like Diana Ross before. Someone who could break barriers and blaze trails even if it came at a cost, she did it her way and succeeded beyond her wildest imaginations. Without her, it's hard to imagine Whitney Houston or Janet Jackson or Beyonce or any of the megastars that basically busted the doors down that Diana [[as a Supreme and as a solo artist/actress) opened. Because of that, she'll never be short of money. Believe that!

RanRan79
08-10-2018, 12:44 PM
Yeah, the world hadn't seen a Black star of Diana's magnitude. That's why her star will never dim. I think Dionne may have been a bad businesswoman, and then she also had the tax issues, which will kill your finances. On top of that Dionne, of all the BIG female legends, may be in the absolute worst vocal shape. I, among others, have been highly critical of Martha Reeves voice in recent decades, but I think even she might sound better than Dionne. I can't imagine anyone paying to hear Dionne sing except to have the experience of being able to say you saw her in person. That may also hit her in the pockets.

As for Gladys, I don't know what this is all about or if there is any truth to the claim about her inability to attract on her own. Makes no sense to me. She is GLADYS KNIGHT. Why wouldn't folks come out to see her?

lucky2012
08-10-2018, 12:46 PM
… Martha [[decent gigs both here and overseas, she's not performing in dumps so like Mary, she does well to pay the bills. Also, like Mary, she can brag about being a Hall of Famer and those baby boomer fans will still pack crowds to see her...
I posted before in another thread that meeting Martha Reeves [[like, say, after a concert) would be a lifetime dream come true. However, I think I would be either dumbfounded or flustered [[saying something inane or foolish). Either way, the biggest regret would be not telling her how much she and her music has meant to me. Imagine, face to face with the voice of Dancing In The Street, Nowhere to Run, Heat Wave, Jimmy Mack! Same would go for Gladys, Dionne or Mary. Diana? Fuggedaboutit!! They'd be carrying me out unconscious.

midnightman
08-10-2018, 05:56 PM
Yeah, the world hadn't seen a Black star of Diana's magnitude. That's why her star will never dim. I think Dionne may have been a bad businesswoman, and then she also had the tax issues, which will kill your finances. On top of that Dionne, of all the BIG female legends, may be in the absolute worst vocal shape. I, among others, have been highly critical of Martha Reeves voice in recent decades, but I think even she might sound better than Dionne. I can't imagine anyone paying to hear Dionne sing except to have the experience of being able to say you saw her in person. That may also hit her in the pockets.

As for Gladys, I don't know what this is all about or if there is any truth to the claim about her inability to attract on her own. Makes no sense to me. She is GLADYS KNIGHT. Why wouldn't folks come out to see her?

Dionne definitely should've had hired a smart attorney to make sure her finances were straightened out. I think when she started doing those Psychic Friends commercials, it sounds like there was financial issues then. And yeah her voice today is so unrecognizable, it's like "this is Dionne?!" Knowing how she sounded in her heyday. Whitney's voice might not have been like it was when she died but it didn't disintegrate like Dionne's.

I think the issue with Gladys is some folks claimed she talked too much so they haven't come back to see her show. Otherwise, she's still vocally remarkable as she was when those songs were first recorded so yeah that's a mystery. Martha, for all her vocal warbles, can still sing SOMEWHAT like the originals so no one complains. Plus she puts her all in her shows and you can't knock that.

reese
08-10-2018, 07:06 PM
Dionne definitely should've had hired a smart attorney to make sure her finances were straightened out. I think when she started doing those Psychic Friends commercials, it sounds like there was financial issues then. And yeah her voice today is so unrecognizable, it's like "this is Dionne?!" Knowing how she sounded in her heyday. Whitney's voice might not have been like it was when she died but it didn't disintegrate like Dionne's.

I think the issue with Gladys is some folks claimed she talked too much so they haven't come back to see her show. Otherwise, she's still vocally remarkable as she was when those songs were first recorded so yeah that's a mystery. Martha, for all her vocal warbles, can still sing SOMEWHAT like the originals so no one complains. Plus she puts her all in her shows and you can't knock that.

In his book, Cholly Atkins said something like when he first started working with Gladys, she was afraid to talk. Then he said "Now I can't make her stop!"

I've seen Gladys in concert quite often in the past decade and while some of those shows have had her teamed up with the Spinners or O'Jays, quite a few of them were Gladys alone. I still think her voice has aged the best of her peers, and I always enjoy her shows. But I do often think "Gladys, does every song need a spoken introduction?" At least most of them are quick. I remember seeing her one time when she told a very long story about the Pips' first Grammy appearance. It was amusing, but it went on and on. She could probably sing two or three more songs if she cut some of the talking. That said, none of this would make me miss one of her shows. Believe me, as soon as I hear Gladys is coming to town, I'm ready.

midnightman
08-10-2018, 07:12 PM
Yeah. She can still sing so great that, as Dionne claims, you have to throw your shoe at the stage and scream "sang girl!" But yeah, definitely needs to cut down the talking just a bit lol

Jaap
08-11-2018, 08:17 AM
I saw Gladys Knight last year at the North Sea Jazz festival in the Netherlands and her voice was amazing, so clear and no note off-key [[and she didn't had those ear-plugs in either). She did chat a lot, even said that people complain that she chats a lot but that she's going to do that anyway. And she did say--albeit jokingly--that Marvin Gaye stole "her" song, although we all know he recorded I Heard It Through The Grapevine before she did.

midnightman
08-11-2018, 02:04 PM
I saw Gladys Knight last year at the North Sea Jazz festival in the Netherlands and her voice was amazing, so clear and no note off-key [[and she didn't had those ear-plugs in either). She did chat a lot, even said that people complain that she chats a lot but that she's going to do that anyway. And she did say--albeit jokingly--that Marvin Gaye stole "her" song, although we all know he recorded I Heard It Through The Grapevine before she did.

I'm glad she uses it as a joke now [[much like Patti does when she says "this song I'm gonna do, it was recorded by so many others and some others made it a hit... [pause] but I made it first." LOL :) ) but at one point she did seriously think this. And that would be a whole other topic! LOL so we ain't getting into it. It's been 50 years. ;)