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Clifton Miller
06-09-2018, 09:27 AM
The latest West Grand blog looks at the 45s which *almost* made the top:

http://www.adampwhite.com/westgrandblog/justice-denied

marv2
06-09-2018, 10:14 AM
Some interesting information here. Thanks Clifton Miller.

luke
06-09-2018, 11:47 AM
IMO it’s hard to pick which was worse...One bad apple or Mamas Pearl. Sorry for Motown heresy. Maybe the Jackson 5 should have just recorded One Bad Apple!

marv2
06-09-2018, 12:49 PM
IMO it’s hard to pick which was worse...One bad apple or Mamas Pearl. Sorry for Motown heresy. Maybe the Jackson 5 should have just recorded One Bad Apple!

I really liked "Mama's Pearl", but then again I was 11 years old at the time. LOL!

luke
06-09-2018, 12:55 PM
Lol. I kind of liked One Bad Apple at the time too! And after I Want you Back nothing could be as good!

Boogiedown
06-09-2018, 01:20 PM
We was robbed!!


. 1974: “Boogie Down,” EDDIE KENDRICKS [[2)

March 9/16 [[“Seasons In The Sun,” Terry Jacks)

marv2
06-09-2018, 01:41 PM
Lol. I kind of liked One Bad Apple at the time too! And after I Want you Back nothing could be as good!

I knew all the words to "One Bad Apple"!

TomatoTom123
06-09-2018, 01:47 PM
We was robbed!!

that must be one your faves boogie :D

marv2
06-09-2018, 01:49 PM
We was robbed!!

I agree with you on that one!

luke
06-09-2018, 02:02 PM
Seasons in the Sun? Yuk. One of the most plodding songs I’ve ever heard!

George Solomon
06-09-2018, 02:28 PM
I always find it interesting seeing the chart positions in Billboard, Cashbox and Record World.
It's a shame that "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me," "For Once In My Life" and "Signed Sealed Delivered" were #1 in BOTH Cashbox and Record World but not Billboard.
I didn't compile this. I got it from a book years ago. These are only songs that went top 10 in at least one of the trades. It only goes up until March 1971. Sorry if this looks like a mess. I'm just pasting...

MOTOWN [[JOBETE) TOP 10 CHART POSITIONS 10/60-3/71
BB: BILLBOARD CB: CASH BOX RW: RECORD WORLD

CONTOURS

6/29/62 - DO YOU LOVE ME - BB 3 - CB 2 RW-no chart

FOUR TOPS
04/23/65 - I CAN’T HELP MYSELF - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

07/09/65 - IT’S THE SAME OLD SONG - BB 5 - CB 6 RW 5

08/18/66 - REACH OUT I’LL BE THERE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

11/28/66 - STANDING IN THE SHADOWS OF LOVE - BB 6 - CB 7 RW 6

02/16/67 - BERNADETTE - BB 4 - CB 8 RW 6

05/04/67 - 7 ROOMS OF GLOOM - BB 14 - CB 9 RW 9

MARVIN GAYE
04/18/63 - PRIDE AND JOY - BB 10 - CB 10 RW --

11/04/64 - HOW SWEET IT IS - BB 6 - CB 9 RW 8

02/26/65 - I’LL BE DOGGONE - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 11

09/14/65 - AIN’T THAT PECULIAR - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 7

11/30/68 - I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

04/02/69 - TOO BUSY THINKING ABOUT MY BABY - BB 4 - CB 5 RW 5

08/04/69 - THAT’S THE WAY LOVE IS - BB 7 - CB 10 RW 12

01/13/71 - WHAT’S GOING ON - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2


MARVIN GAYE & TAMMI TERRELL
08/22/67 - YOUR PRECIOUS LOVE - BB 5 - CB 6 RW 6

11/14/67 - IF I COULD BUILD MY WHOLE WORLD - BB 10 - CB 18 RW 13

03/28/68 - AIN’T NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING - BB 8 - CB 9 RW 7

07/09/68 - YOU’RE ALL I NEED TO GET BY - BB 7 - CB 7 RW 11


JACKSON 5
10/07/69 - I WANT YOU BACK - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

02/24/70 - ABC - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

05/13/70 - THE LOVE YOU SAVE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

08/28/70 - I’LL BE THERE – BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

01/07/71 - MAMA’S PEARL - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2

03/16/71 - NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE - BB 2 - CB 1 - RW 2


GLADYS KNIGHT & THE PIPS
09/28/67 - I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 3

10/29/70 - IF I WERE YOUR WOMAN - BB 9 - CB 5 - RW 8


SHORTY LONG
05/07/68 - HERE COMES THE JUDGE - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 8


THE MARVELETTES
08/21/61 - PLEASE MR. POSTMAN - BB 1 - CB 2 RW - no chart

04/09/62 - PLAYBOY - BB 7 - CB 8 RW no chart

11/26/65 - DON’T MESS WITH BILL - BB 7 - CB 9 RW 7

11/21/67 - MY BABY MUST BE A MAGICIAN - BB 17 - CB 10 RW 20


RARE EARTH
02/18/70 - GET READY - BB 4 - CB 2 RW 3

07/09/70 – [[I KNOW) I’M LOSING YOU - BB 9 - CB 5 RW 6


MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS.

08/03/63 HEATWAVE – BB 4 – CB 4

11/23/63 QUICKSAND – BB 8 – CB 14

08/22/64 DANCING IN THE STREET – BB 2 – CB 4 – RW 2

02/27/65 NOWHERE TO RUN – BB 8 – CB 9 – RW 6

10/29/66 I'M READY FOR LOVE – BB 9 – CB 11 – RW 8

02/25/67 JIMMY MACK – BB 10 – CB 6 – RW 7


SMOKEY ROBINSON & THE MIRACLES
10/15/60 - SHOP AROUND - BB 2 - CB 1 RW - no chart

11/09/62 - YOU’VE REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME - BB 8 - CB 6 RW - no chart

07/26/63 - MICKEY’S MONKEY - BB 8 - CB 9 RW - no chart

12/06/65 - GOING TO A GO, GO - BB 11 - CB 10 RW 9

10/12/67 - I SECOND THAT EMOTION - BB 4 - CB 3 RW 3

12/12/68 - BABY, BABY DON’T CRY - BB 8 - CB 9 RW 7

09/24/70 - THE TEARS OF A CLOWN - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES
06/17/64 - WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

09/17/64 - BABY LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

10/27/64 - COME SEE ABOUT ME - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

02/08/65 - STOP! IN THE NAME OF LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

04/15/65 - BACK IN MY ARMS AGAIN - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 2

07/16/65 - NOTHING BUT HEARTACHES - BB 11 - CB 8 - RW 11

10/06/65 - I HEAR A SYMPHONY - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

12/29/65 - MY WORLD IS EMPTY WITHOUT YOU - BB 5 - CB 5 - RW 4

04/08/66 - LOVE IS LIKE AN ITCHING IN MY HEART BB 9 - CB 9 - RW 9

07/25/66 - YOU CAN’T HURRY LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

10/12/66 - YOU KEEP ME HANGIN’ ON - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

01/11/67 - LOVE IS HERE AND NOW YOU’RE GONE BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

03/20/67 - THE HAPPENING - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

07/24/67 - REFLECTIONS - BB 2 - CB 2 - RW 2

10/25/67 - IN AND OUT OF LOVE - BB 9 - CB 10 - RW 8

09/30/68 - LOVE CHILD - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

12/07/68 – I’M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME* – BB 2 - CB 1 - RW 1

01/06/69 - I’M LIVIN’ IN SHAME - BB 10 - CB 8 - RW 8

10/14/69 - SOMEDAY WE’LL BE TOGETHER - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 2

DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES & THE TEMPTATIONS *

THE SUPREMES [[70's)
03/07/70 UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF – CB 9 – BB 10 - RW 7

11/07/70 STONED LOVE – CB 5 – BB 7 – RW 5

05/08/71 NATHAN JONES – CB 10 – BB 16 – RW 8

ROSS DIANA

04/25/70 REACH OUT AND TOUCH - RW 9 - CB 10 - BB 20

08/08/70 AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH - RW 1 - CB 1 - BB 1

12/26/70 REMEMBER ME - RW 10 - CB 8 - BB 16


DAVID RUFFIN
01/20/69 - MY WHOLE WORLD ENDED - BB 9 - CB 9 RW 10


JIMMY RUFFIN
06/03/66 - WHAT BECOMES OF THE BROKENHEARTED - BB 7 - CB 9
RW 7

EDWIN STARR
01/02/69 - TWENTY FIVE MILES - BB 6 - CB 6 RW 5

06/09/70 - WAR - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1


R. DEAN TAYLOR
04/10/70 - INDIANA WANTS ME - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2


THE TEMPTATIONS
01/23/64 - THE WAY YOU DO THE THINGS YOU DO - BB 11 - CB 10 RW 12

12/21/64 - MY GIRL - BB 1 - CB 2 RW 3

05/03/66 - AIN’T TO PROUD TO BEG - BB 13 - CB 10 RW 8

08/04/66 - BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP - BB 3 - CB 5 RW 4

11/02/66 – [[I KNOW) I’M LOSING YOU - BB 8 - CB 11 RW 10

04/13/67 - ALL I NEED - BB 8 - CB 8 RW 9

06/13/67 - YOU’RE MY EVERYTHING - BB 6 - CB 7 RW 6

12/21/67 - I WISH IT WOULD RAIN - BB 4 - CB 2 RW 2

04/18/68 - I COULD NEVER LOVE ANOTHER - BB 13 - CB 10 RW 11

10/25/68 - CLOUD NINE - BB 6 - CB 8 RW 4

01/30/69 - RUNAWAY CHILD, RUNNING WILD - BB 6 - CB 8 RW 8

07/30/69 - I CAN’T GET NEXT TO YOU - BB 1 - CB 3 RW 2

12/29/69 - PSYCHEDELIC SHACK - BB 7 - CB 4 RW 6

05/07/70 - BALL OF CONFUSION - BB 3 - CB 1 RW 2

01/14/71 - JUST MY IMAGINATION - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1


JR. WALKER & THE ALL STARS
01/14/65 - SHOTGUN - BB 4 - CB 4 RW 3

04/25/69 - WHAT DOES IT TAKE [[TO WIN YOUR LOVE) - BB 7 - CB 9
RW 4

MARY WELLS
02/08/62 - THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU - BB 8 - CB 4 RW - no chart

07/17/62 - YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH - BB 9 - CB 9 RW -no chart

10/29/62 - TWO LOVERS - BB 7 - CB 10 RW - no chart

03/13/64 - MY GUY - BB 1- CB 1 RW 2

STEVIE WONDER

05/21/63 - FINGERTIPS PT 2 - BB 1 - CB 1 RW -no chart

11/22/65 - UPTIGHT [[EVERYTHING’S ALRIGHT) - BB 3 - CB 3 RW 3

10/24/66 - A PLACE IN THE SUN - BB 9 - CB 10 RW 7

05/18/67 - I WAS MADE TO LOVE HER - BB 2 - CB 2 RW 2

03/19/68 - SHOO-BE-DOO-BE-DOO-DA-DAY - BB 9 - CB 7 RW 9

10/15/68 - FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 1

01/28/69 - MY CHERIE AMOUR - BB 4 - CB 3 RW 3

09/30/69 - YESTER-ME, TESTER-YOU, YESTERDAY - BB 7 - CB 9 RW 9

06/03/70 - SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED - BB 3 - CB 1 RW 1

09/29/70 - HEAVEN HELP US ALL - BB 9 - CB 9 RW 8

marv2
06-09-2018, 02:29 PM
Seasons in the Sun? Yuk. One of the most plodding songs I’ve ever heard!

Yet I can still clearly remember every bit of that dreary song thanks to CKLW! LOL! Played it all the time they did.

marv2
06-09-2018, 02:35 PM
I always find it interesting seeing the chart positions in Billboard, Cashbox and Record World.
It's a shame that "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me," "For Once In My Life" and "Signed Sealed Delivered" were #1 in BOTH Cashbox and Record World but not Billboard.
I didn't compile this. I got it from a book years ago. These are only songs that went top 10 in at least one of the trades. It only goes up until March 1971. Sorry if this looks like a mess. I'm just pasting...

MOTOWN [[JOBETE) TOP 10 CHART POSITIONS 10/60-3/71
BB: BILLBOARD CB: CASH BOX RW: RECORD WORLD

CONTOURS

6/29/62 - DO YOU LOVE ME - BB 3 - CB 2 RW-no chart

FOUR TOPS
04/23/65 - I CAN’T HELP MYSELF - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

07/09/65 - IT’S THE SAME OLD SONG - BB 5 - CB 6 RW 5

08/18/66 - REACH OUT I’LL BE THERE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

11/28/66 - STANDING IN THE SHADOWS OF LOVE - BB 6 - CB 7 RW 6

02/16/67 - BERNADETTE - BB 4 - CB 8 RW 6

05/04/67 - 7 ROOMS OF GLOOM - BB 14 - CB 9 RW 9

MARVIN GAYE
04/18/63 - PRIDE AND JOY - BB 10 - CB 10 RW --

11/04/64 - HOW SWEET IT IS - BB 6 - CB 9 RW 8

02/26/65 - I’LL BE DOGGONE - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 11

09/14/65 - AIN’T THAT PECULIAR - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 7

11/30/68 - I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

04/02/69 - TOO BUSY THINKING ABOUT MY BABY - BB 4 - CB 5 RW 5

08/04/69 - THAT’S THE WAY LOVE IS - BB 7 - CB 10 RW 12

01/13/71 - WHAT’S GOING ON - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2


MARVIN GAYE & TAMMI TERRELL
08/22/67 - YOUR PRECIOUS LOVE - BB 5 - CB 6 RW 6

11/14/67 - IF I COULD BUILD MY WHOLE WORLD - BB 10 - CB 18 RW 13

03/28/68 - AIN’T NOTHING LIKE THE REAL THING - BB 8 - CB 9 RW 7

07/09/68 - YOU’RE ALL I NEED TO GET BY - BB 7 - CB 7 RW 11


JACKSON 5
10/07/69 - I WANT YOU BACK - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

02/24/70 - ABC - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

05/13/70 - THE LOVE YOU SAVE - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

08/28/70 - I’LL BE THERE – BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1

01/07/71 - MAMA’S PEARL - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2

03/16/71 - NEVER CAN SAY GOODBYE - BB 2 - CB 1 - RW 2


GLADYS KNIGHT & THE PIPS
09/28/67 - I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 3

10/29/70 - IF I WERE YOUR WOMAN - BB 9 - CB 5 - RW 8


SHORTY LONG
05/07/68 - HERE COMES THE JUDGE - BB 8 - CB 10 RW 8


THE MARVELETTES
08/21/61 - PLEASE MR. POSTMAN - BB 1 - CB 2 RW - no chart

04/09/62 - PLAYBOY - BB 7 - CB 8 RW no chart

11/26/65 - DON’T MESS WITH BILL - BB 7 - CB 9 RW 7

11/21/67 - MY BABY MUST BE A MAGICIAN - BB 17 - CB 10 RW 20


RARE EARTH
02/18/70 - GET READY - BB 4 - CB 2 RW 3

07/09/70 – [[I KNOW) I’M LOSING YOU - BB 9 - CB 5 RW 6


MARTHA REEVES & THE VANDELLAS.

08/03/63 HEATWAVE – BB 4 – CB 4

11/23/63 QUICKSAND – BB 8 – CB 14

08/22/64 DANCING IN THE STREET – BB 2 – CB 4 – RW 2

02/27/65 NOWHERE TO RUN – BB 8 – CB 9 – RW 6

10/29/66 I'M READY FOR LOVE – BB 9 – CB 11 – RW 8

02/25/67 JIMMY MACK – BB 10 – CB 6 – RW 7


SMOKEY ROBINSON & THE MIRACLES
10/15/60 - SHOP AROUND - BB 2 - CB 1 RW - no chart

11/09/62 - YOU’VE REALLY GOT A HOLD ON ME - BB 8 - CB 6 RW - no chart

07/26/63 - MICKEY’S MONKEY - BB 8 - CB 9 RW - no chart

12/06/65 - GOING TO A GO, GO - BB 11 - CB 10 RW 9

10/12/67 - I SECOND THAT EMOTION - BB 4 - CB 3 RW 3

12/12/68 - BABY, BABY DON’T CRY - BB 8 - CB 9 RW 7

09/24/70 - THE TEARS OF A CLOWN - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 2

DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES
06/17/64 - WHERE DID OUR LOVE GO - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

09/17/64 - BABY LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

10/27/64 - COME SEE ABOUT ME - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

02/08/65 - STOP! IN THE NAME OF LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

04/15/65 - BACK IN MY ARMS AGAIN - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 2

07/16/65 - NOTHING BUT HEARTACHES - BB 11 - CB 8 - RW 11

10/06/65 - I HEAR A SYMPHONY - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

12/29/65 - MY WORLD IS EMPTY WITHOUT YOU - BB 5 - CB 5 - RW 4

04/08/66 - LOVE IS LIKE AN ITCHING IN MY HEART BB 9 - CB 9 - RW 9

07/25/66 - YOU CAN’T HURRY LOVE - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

10/12/66 - YOU KEEP ME HANGIN’ ON - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

01/11/67 - LOVE IS HERE AND NOW YOU’RE GONE BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

03/20/67 - THE HAPPENING - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

07/24/67 - REFLECTIONS - BB 2 - CB 2 - RW 2

10/25/67 - IN AND OUT OF LOVE - BB 9 - CB 10 - RW 8

09/30/68 - LOVE CHILD - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 1

12/07/68 – I’M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME* – BB 2 - CB 1 - RW 1

01/06/69 - I’M LIVIN’ IN SHAME - BB 10 - CB 8 - RW 8

10/14/69 - SOMEDAY WE’LL BE TOGETHER - BB 1 - CB 1 - RW 2

DIANA ROSS & THE SUPREMES & THE TEMPTATIONS *

THE SUPREMES [[70's)
03/07/70 UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF – CB 9 – BB 10 - RW 7

11/07/70 STONED LOVE – CB 5 – BB 7 – RW 5

05/08/71 NATHAN JONES – CB 10 – BB 16 – RW 8

ROSS DIANA

04/25/70 REACH OUT AND TOUCH - RW 9 - CB 10 - BB 20

08/08/70 AIN'T NO MOUNTAIN HIGH ENOUGH - RW 1 - CB 1 - BB 1

12/26/70 REMEMBER ME - RW 10 - CB 8 - BB 16


DAVID RUFFIN
01/20/69 - MY WHOLE WORLD ENDED - BB 9 - CB 9 RW 10


JIMMY RUFFIN
06/03/66 - WHAT BECOMES OF THE BROKENHEARTED - BB 7 - CB 9
RW 7

EDWIN STARR
01/02/69 - TWENTY FIVE MILES - BB 6 - CB 6 RW 5

06/09/70 - WAR - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1


R. DEAN TAYLOR
04/10/70 - INDIANA WANTS ME - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 2


THE TEMPTATIONS
01/23/64 - THE WAY YOU DO THE THINGS YOU DO - BB 11 - CB 10 RW 12

12/21/64 - MY GIRL - BB 1 - CB 2 RW 3

05/03/66 - AIN’T TO PROUD TO BEG - BB 13 - CB 10 RW 8

08/04/66 - BEAUTY IS ONLY SKIN DEEP - BB 3 - CB 5 RW 4

11/02/66 – [[I KNOW) I’M LOSING YOU - BB 8 - CB 11 RW 10

04/13/67 - ALL I NEED - BB 8 - CB 8 RW 9

06/13/67 - YOU’RE MY EVERYTHING - BB 6 - CB 7 RW 6

12/21/67 - I WISH IT WOULD RAIN - BB 4 - CB 2 RW 2

04/18/68 - I COULD NEVER LOVE ANOTHER - BB 13 - CB 10 RW 11

10/25/68 - CLOUD NINE - BB 6 - CB 8 RW 4

01/30/69 - RUNAWAY CHILD, RUNNING WILD - BB 6 - CB 8 RW 8

07/30/69 - I CAN’T GET NEXT TO YOU - BB 1 - CB 3 RW 2

12/29/69 - PSYCHEDELIC SHACK - BB 7 - CB 4 RW 6

05/07/70 - BALL OF CONFUSION - BB 3 - CB 1 RW 2

01/14/71 - JUST MY IMAGINATION - BB 1 - CB 1 RW 1


JR. WALKER & THE ALL STARS
01/14/65 - SHOTGUN - BB 4 - CB 4 RW 3

04/25/69 - WHAT DOES IT TAKE [[TO WIN YOUR LOVE) - BB 7 - CB 9
RW 4

MARY WELLS
02/08/62 - THE ONE WHO REALLY LOVES YOU - BB 8 - CB 4 RW - no chart

07/17/62 - YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH - BB 9 - CB 9 RW -no chart

10/29/62 - TWO LOVERS - BB 7 - CB 10 RW - no chart

03/13/64 - MY GUY - BB 1- CB 1 RW 2

STEVIE WONDER

05/21/63 - FINGERTIPS PT 2 - BB 1 - CB 1 RW -no chart

11/22/65 - UPTIGHT [[EVERYTHING’S ALRIGHT) - BB 3 - CB 3 RW 3

10/24/66 - A PLACE IN THE SUN - BB 9 - CB 10 RW 7

05/18/67 - I WAS MADE TO LOVE HER - BB 2 - CB 2 RW 2

03/19/68 - SHOO-BE-DOO-BE-DOO-DA-DAY - BB 9 - CB 7 RW 9

10/15/68 - FOR ONCE IN MY LIFE - BB 2 - CB 1 RW 1

01/28/69 - MY CHERIE AMOUR - BB 4 - CB 3 RW 3

09/30/69 - YESTER-ME, TESTER-YOU, YESTERDAY - BB 7 - CB 9 RW 9

06/03/70 - SIGNED, SEALED, DELIVERED - BB 3 - CB 1 RW 1

09/29/70 - HEAVEN HELP US ALL - BB 9 - CB 9 RW 8

Oh this is great. Thank you George Solomon. Growing up, we mostly only had access to the free weekly local charts put out by the local radio stations. You could pick them up at all the record shops. There is a nice , recent thread on this subject right now on the main forum. Many local Detroit hits never went that high on the trade magazine charts. Detroit was fiercely loyal to it's homegrown artists.

Boogiedown
06-09-2018, 05:26 PM
that must be one your faves boogie :D

Whoops!
I gave it away!

Boogiedown
06-09-2018, 05:50 PM
Thanks for those chart reviews George Solomon!
I enjoy comparing how the songs did in the three trade magazines.
That these songs performed reasonably consistently in each one confirms their actual popularity. I think the notion of the power of payola has always been somewhat exaggerated. These competing trades had a reputation they took seriously concerning their accuracy.
A few extra bucks wouldn't be worth the questionable placing of a song at #1 that the other trades were rating much lower.

midnightman
06-09-2018, 06:53 PM
Neither One of Us was #1 on Cashbox and Record World but not on Billboard. Just weird. Think that Vicki Lawrence song was #1 on Billboard.

florence
06-11-2018, 05:48 AM
The positions don't really differ wildly but the important factor to remember is that Billboard used a significant airplay factor.

For the 60s and most of the 70s Cashbox and Record World were compiled on sales only.

Diana Ross had top 10 hits in both CB and RW that didn't make the BB top 10 even after these dates.

Although it didn't go top 10 it's very noticable that DRATS' Forever Came Today made #13 in CB and #15 in RW yet stalled down at #28 on BB - probably means it didn't sell too badly.

Boogiedown
06-11-2018, 12:24 PM
The positions don't really differ wildly but the important factor to remember is that Billboard used a significant airplay factor.

For the 60s and most of the 70s Cashbox and Record World were compiled on sales only.

Diana Ross had top 10 hits in both CB and RW that didn't make the BB top 10 even after these dates.

Although it didn't go top 10 it's very noticable that DRATS' Forever Came Today made #13 in CB and #15 in RW yet stalled down at #28 on BB - probably means it didn't sell too badly.

Thanks Florence!

I never knew that about CASHBOX and RECORD WORLD.
I would've thought that would've given BILLBOARD a significant edge as wouldn't sales trail exposure?
That's a big part then of what made BILLBOARD "the one" above the others.