Madeline Bell Charted Top 40 With It First : I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME

[Boogiedown]

When Dusty Springfield passed on it, her back up singer took it on:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Rg5kFU1oA

Fifty years ago: March 1968
Peak Billboard Hot 100 position: #26

Wonder why Dusty turned it down , her sound definitely comes through on it [[& she's providing back-up ).

[marv2]

That was a pleasant enough sounding record. I remember it being on the radio a few times back then.

[reese]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9QcKWw1HA0

[TheMotownManiac]

She does a nice job of it, but she was not the first to record it as Dee Dee Warwick had a much less successful single out on it in ‘66. I think it peaked at #85 on Billboard. It’s nowhere near as good as Madalyn’s version, but hers pales to Ross and Eddie who both gave stellar performances. Superb.

[Bluebrock]

When Dusty Springfield passed on it, her back up singer took it on:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Rg5kFU1oA

Fifty years ago: March 1968
Peak Billboard Hot 100 position: #26

Wonder why Dusty turned it down , her sound definitely comes through on it [[& she's providing back-up ).
I always loved this version and cannot for the life of me understand why Dusty passed on it. Dee Dee Warwick did a reasonable version too, but i prefer this one or the Supremes/Temps version.

[lakeside]

http://www.madelinebell.com/biography/

[RanRan79]

I prefer Dee Dee's version as much as Supremes/Tempts. Madeline's version is good too though.

[marv2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9QcKWw1HA0

Great video. That is the first time seeing Madeline Bell sing/perform. Thanks Reese!

[marv2]

Dee Dee's sounds good too. She was a great singer!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUmFpbcm4_8

[marv2]

The Temptations even did a great job with the song without the Supremes! Eddie Kendricks was just the greatest!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ7hOxEgTcY

[midnightman]

I was gonna say that the Tempts should've done the song themselves. Would've been better. Probably an unpopular opinion in these parts but I never liked the group pairings be it Supremes and the Tempts or Supremes and the Tops... I don't know why, I just didn't. :confused:

But I think of the versions, I loved Dee Dee's most of all.

[smallworld]

Madeline did a smart vocal on this - she keeps it soft and seductive and is all the more effective for it. I love Dee Dee Warwick but I've always felt her version was keyed a little too high for her, leaving her voice sounding strained on the upper part of the song. I guess the rationale was that the rendition would have more urgency that way. After the surprise success of Dee Dee's "I Want to Be With You", the producers should have used the softer side of her voice more effectively on the follow-up. The backing track on Warwick's version is better, though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUHHRsKpY4Q

[smallworld]

Gladys Knight's vocal is probably my favourite. It's a shame the arrangement on her version is a little on the bland side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_98YO4LI1_w

[midnightman]

Dee Dee should've had bigger success than she did but she was always in Dionne's shadow.

[marv2]

I was gonna say that the Tempts should've done the song themselves. Would've been better. Probably an unpopular opinion in these parts but I never liked the group pairings be it Supremes and the Tempts or Supremes and the Tops... I don't know why, I just didn't. :confused:

But I think of the versions, I loved Dee Dee's most of all.

I agree. The Temptations should have done that song by themselves. Diane doesn't really add much to it and Mary and Cindy are buried in the background.

[marv2]

Dee Dee should've had bigger success than she did but she was always in Dionne's shadow.

Exactly! She was always with the wrong labels that couldn't do much for her.

[marv2]

Gladys Knight's vocal is probably my favourite. It's a shame the arrangement on her version is a little on the bland side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_98YO4LI1_w

Diane does sound strained. I know she and Gladys would both agree that Gladys is a far superior vocalist. I am loving this version. Thank you Smallwood! Gladys is just too much! LOL!

[RanRan79]

The Temptations even did a great job with the song without the Supremes! Eddie Kendricks was just the greatest!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ7hOxEgTcY

I created an mp3 from this a few years back because I loved it so much. The Tempts could've had a hit with it alone.

[RanRan79]

I was gonna say that the Tempts should've done the song themselves. Would've been better. Probably an unpopular opinion in these parts but I never liked the group pairings be it Supremes and the Tempts or Supremes and the Tops... I don't know why, I just didn't. :confused:

But I think of the versions, I loved Dee Dee's most of all.

Who cares about popular? You have your preferences the same as the rest of us and most of us don't mind it at all. I love the Sups/Tempts version but I suspect that if I had heard DeeDee's before the hit version, it might get the edge in my heart. As it stands they run neck and neck.

[RanRan79]

Madeline did a smart vocal on this - she keeps it soft and seductive and is all the more effective for it. I love Dee Dee Warwick but I've always felt her version was keyed a little too high for her, leaving her voice sounding strained on the upper part of the song. I guess the rationale was that the rendition would have more urgency that way. After the surprise success of Dee Dee's "I Want to Be With You", the producers should have used the softer side of her voice more effectively on the follow-up. The backing track on Warwick's version is better, though.

Dee Dee does sound strained and I like it that way. Where Diana and Eddie, both beautiful vocalists, sound like lovers making a declaration to one another, more as affirmation of what they both already know and feel, Dee Dee sounds like she is in action mode, using every fiber of her being to let this dude know that she gonna have his ass so he might as well stop trippin. Lol

[smallworld]

Dee Dee does sound strained and I like it that way. [...] Dee Dee sounds like she is in action mode, using every fiber of her being to let this dude know that she gonna have his ass so he might as well stop trippin. Lol

My problem is that she sounds strained to the point of her voice sounding weak and about to give out. Like I said, it was probably deliberate, but it doesn't work for me. Your summation sounds much more like Dee Dee on "Foolish Fool", where she sounds emphatic, strong and unbridled interpretively but in control in terms of her technique. I don't think it's coincidental that Dee Dee was Grammy nominated for "Foolish Fool", but not for "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xja7NffwPUQ

[marv2]

I created an mp3 from this a few years back because I loved it so much. The Tempts could've had a hit with it alone.

Just Eddie's vocal runs here and on the record sold me! He truly was pure talent. A vocalist in the purest form!

[marv2]

My problem is that she sounds strained to the point of her voice sounding weak and about to give out. Like I said, it was probably deliberate, but it doesn't work for me. Your summation sounds much more like Dee Dee on "Foolish Fool", where she sounds emphatic, strong and unbridled interpretively but in control in terms of her technique. I don't think it's coincidental that Dee Dee was Grammy nominated for "Foolish Fool", but not for "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xja7NffwPUQ

This is what I called CLASSIC GOLD! This is the type of music that should be on the radio today! She killed it!

[lakeside]

This is what I called CLASSIC GOLD! This is the type of music that should be on the radio today! She killed it!

She killed it and took me to church!

[marv2]

She killed it and took me to church!

Totally, didn't she? Music is suppose to make you feel something.

[robb_k]

She does a nice job of it, but she was not the first to record it as Dee Dee Warwick had a much less successful single out on it in ‘66. I think it peaked at #85 on Billboard. It’s nowhere near as good as Madalyn’s version, but hers pales to Ross and Eddie who both gave stellar performances. Superb.
14053
I've always liked Dee Dee's version much, much better than any other. It's in my Top 100 all time songs out of several hundred thousand in my collection. That's saying a lot!

[Bluebrock]

My problem is that she sounds strained to the point of her voice sounding weak and about to give out. Like I said, it was probably deliberate, but it doesn't work for me. Your summation sounds much more like Dee Dee on "Foolish Fool", where she sounds emphatic, strong and unbridled interpretively but in control in terms of her technique. I don't think it's coincidental that Dee Dee was Grammy nominated for "Foolish Fool", but not for "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xja7NffwPUQ
I agree. I love Dee Dee and it is criminal that she did not attain more commercial success, but her version is my least favorite personally. He voice just does not sound as comfortable as it does on much of her other material. Gladys does a fine job vocally as always on her version, but for me the emotion expressed by Diana and Eddie or Madeline give those versions the edge for me, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is no right or wrong view.

[Bluebrock]

My problem is that she sounds strained to the point of her voice sounding weak and about to give out. Like I said, it was probably deliberate, but it doesn't work for me. Your summation sounds much more like Dee Dee on "Foolish Fool", where she sounds emphatic, strong and unbridled interpretively but in control in terms of her technique. I don't think it's coincidental that Dee Dee was Grammy nominated for "Foolish Fool", but not for "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xja7NffwPUQ
I agree. I love Dee Dee and it is criminal that she did not attain more commercial success, but her version is my least favorite personally. He voice just does not sound as comfortable as it does on much of her other material. Gladys does a fine job vocally as always on her version, but for me the emotion expressed by Diana and Eddie or Madeline give those versions the edge for me, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is no right or wrong view.

[midnightman]

Dee Dee's Foolish Fool. LOVE THAT SONG so much...

[midnightman]

Who cares about popular? You have your preferences the same as the rest of us and most of us don't mind it at all. I love the Sups/Tempts version but I suspect that if I had heard DeeDee's before the hit version, it might get the edge in my heart. As it stands they run neck and neck.

I know but I just wanted to add that just in case people scream "wait a minute, you can't say that!" LOL

[marv2]

14053
I've always liked Dee Dee's version much, much better than any other. It's in my Top 100 all time songs out of several hundred thousand in my collection. That's saying a lot!

That says a whole lot Robb....wow!

[marv2]

I agree. I love Dee Dee and it is criminal that she did not attain more commercial success, but her version is my least favorite personally. He voice just does not sound as comfortable as it does on much of her other material. Gladys does a fine job vocally as always on her version, but for me the emotion expressed by Diana and Eddie or Madeline give those versions the edge for me, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and there is no right or wrong view.

The Supremes and Temptations version was all Eddie Kendricks when came to conveying emotion and soul. They could have used any female singer with Eddie and it would have been a hit.

[marv2]

I know but I just wanted to add that just in case people scream "wait a minute, you can't say that!" LOL


You're just going to have to toughen up more! LOL!!!!

[jsmith]

Dee Dee for me everytime ... much better than the insipid Motown versions.

[midnightman]

You're just going to have to toughen up more! LOL!!!!

"Oh I'm tough enough" - Whitney Houston

[marv2]

"Oh I'm tough enough" - Whitney Houston


Good! It is okay not to love everything a certain artist does! LOL!!!!

[midnightman]

^ Well I'm a Motown fan for life. If there were things I don't like from "certain artists", I let it be known and I have but that's for another topic.

Also I'm still a fan of that "certain artist" so let's not go there lol

[Boogiedown]

Thanks for all the input about this song !:cool:

I'm aware of Madeline Bell because of her disco work with artists like Donna Summer, Cerrone etc..
I didn't know until recently she'd once had a hit on her own [[ and one time only) , especially by having the jump on this song that months later would become a Motown classic ! I was so impressed that's why I wanted to build this thread about this song around her. :cool:

The original Dee Dee Warwick version is also excellent. Seems impossible it didn't become a bigger crossover hit . It did reach #13 R&B. Madeline's @ #33 R&B.
I think I prefer both these versions over the Temps /Supremes one that features two shrill voices that I normally love, but in combination for me just becomes shrill overload.

Wiki says the [[prominent) background singers on Dee Dee's are Ashford & Simpson , and does anyone else think I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME has their sound?? Possibly singing on this influenced their own future style???

And as for Madeline,
this is my favorite of hers :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXt6CT-dpCU

Beautiful. Touches my heart each time . :)

[smallworld]

Dee Dee returned the favour by covering "All That Love Went to Waste", which Madeline sang in the movie "A Touch of Class". Madeline's doesn't really sound like a single, though it was released on 45. I imagine it received some play on AC/Easy Listening, but not much interest at Top 40. I give this round to Warwick.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2upPFFWwic

[smallworld]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLB_7Dku3lA

[smallworld]

I quite like this, the title track to Miss Bell's album on RCA. I don't think it's ever received a CD release.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFXdu7WnzF0

[Bluebrock]

The Supremes and Temptations version was all Eddie Kendricks when came to conveying emotion and soul. They could have used any female singer with Eddie and it would have been a hit.
In your opinion maybe but not mine. Just imagine Mary Wilson attempting it! That prospect would be more than sufficient to make a pig squeal. Thank heavens i am not aware of any attempt by her to sing it.

[jobeterob]

In your opinion maybe but not mine. Just imagine Mary Wilson attempting it! That prospect would be more than sufficient to make a pig squeal. Thank heavens i am not aware of any attempt by her to sing it.

She could maybe do the “talk/sing” thing she does when she can’t reach notes

[marv2]

In your opinion maybe but not mine. Just imagine Mary Wilson attempting it! That prospect would be more than sufficient to make a pig squeal. Thank heavens i am not aware of any attempt by her to sing it.

Oh come on. Everyone knows Diana Ross never had any soul in her voice other than what Berry Gordy and his producers put there. She is not in Dee Dee Warwick's league.

[TomatoTom123]

I had never heard the versions by Madeline Bell and Dee Dee Warwick before... they were both nice, although I preferred Dee Dee's which sticks closer to the Supremes/Tempts version I think.

Of course that version is the one I know and love, and I still love it. My fave out of the three. IMO Diana and Eddie [[and Otis, lol) are both perfect on it... love the emotion in their voices. Such a beautiful and classic song!

[marv2]

I had never heard the versions by Madeline Bell and Dee Dee Warwick before... they were both nice, although I preferred Dee Dee's which sticks closer to the Supremes/Tempts version I think.

Of course that version is the one I know and love, and I still love it. My fave out of the three. IMO Diana and Eddie [[and Otis, lol) are both perfect on it... love the emotion in their voices. Such a beautiful and classic song!

It's the other way around. Dee Dee's was first the Temptations and Supremes came several years later so they probably were trying to stick closer to Dee Dee Warwick's version.

[TomatoTom123]

It's the other way around. Dee Dee's was first the Temptations and Supremes came several years later so they probably were trying to stick closer to Dee Dee Warwick's version.

Yea sorry Marv I meant that Dee Dee's version sounds more like The Supremes/Tempts one, not that it copied them. :)

[Boogiedown]

Wiki says the [[prominent) background singers on Dee Dee's are Ashford & Simpson , and does anyone else think I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME has their sound?? Possibly singing on this influenced their own future style???


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To answer my own question , I'll give the answer a yes , since it is Nick Ashford that then one day produces [[with Frank Wilson) the Supremes/ Temptations version using the sound of the Warwick version as its prototype.

I actually find the sentiment of the song a little creepy psycho. You can't "make" someone love you no matter how loud you wail it , and to approach a relationship with that mindset seems possessively domineering . When it comes to love , there's no forcing it , they either do or they don't, although there's every advantage to "earning" it, which is a different mindset.

Maybe that's why the Kendricks/Ross angle is more successful. You've got the two equally shouting the same intentions at each other. At least this way they are on equal footing as to where they are coming from , instead of one sounding like an obsessed stalker.:p

I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME was #1 in Cashbox and Record World , but only peaked at #2 for two weeks in Billboard because of a certain spoiler [[?) that wouldn't relinquish the crown at the top . But Motown I don't think was too bothered by it.:rolleyes:

[marv2]

To answer my own question , I'll give the answer a yes , since it is Nick Ashford that then one day produces [[with Frank Wilson) the Supremes/ Temptations version using the sound of the Warwick version as its prototype.

I actually find the sentiment of the song a little creepy psycho. You can't "make" someone love you no matter how loud you wail it , and to approach a relationship with that mindset seems possessively domineering . When it comes to love , there's no forcing it , they either do or they don't, although there's every advantage to "earning" it, which is a different mindset.

Maybe that's why the Kendricks/Ross angle is more successful. You've got the two equally shouting the same intentions at each other. At least this way they are on equal footing as to where they are coming from , instead of one sounding like an obsessed stalker.:p

I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME was #1 in Cashbox and Record World , but only peaked at #2 for two weeks in Billboard because of a certain spoiler [[?) that wouldn't relinquish the crown at the top . But Motown I don't think was too bothered by it.:rolleyes:

Well according to Eddie Kendrick's ex-wife on Unsung, Diana Ross acted like an obsessed stalker when it came to her husband Eddie Kendricks. She tried breaking into their house one night trying to get to him.

[Boogiedown]

Ha Ha! So while Eddie was delivering his obsession lines in the song simply from a professional stance, Diana was shrieking hers with a little more intensified passion! !

[midnightman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO16NlJvhBE

Might as well... we ain't going down that lane no doggone more...

[jobeterob]

Ha Ha! So while Eddie was delivering his obsession lines in the song simply from a professional stance, Diana was shrieking hers with a little more intensified passion! !

Was Mary allowed at the session or was she on holiday? or maybe off with Tom?

[Bluebrock]

Was Mary allowed at the session or was she on holiday? or maybe off with Tom?
She could have sung it to him when the Supremes guested on his show because he had long since dumped her by then i do believe?

[honest man]

She could have sung it to him when the Supremes guested on his show because he had long since dumped her by then i do believe?
How could she make him love her,he was basically giving the dog a bone, woof woof Tom stayed married to his wife Linda,poor Mary always the bridesmaid,cheers.

[honest man]

How could she make him love her,he was basically giving the dog a bone, woof woof Tom stayed married to his wife Linda,poor Mary always the bridesmaid,cheers.Poor Mary always the underdog,literally,meant to say hehe.

[jobeterob]

Poor Mary - she gets a bit of a shit kicking at times - and on here, I think she gets it because of Marv

Brad and Andy seem to think she's a decent soul - so I try to give her the benefit of the doubt

[midnightman]

It's hard being a Supremes fan with all of y'all bickering like old queens... meanwhile both Diana and Mary are enjoying their lives and careers not worrying about this ghetto mess lol

This was about a song, right?

[luke]

Others people choose their behavior. It’s no one’s fault.

[midnightman]

Not when it spills into a topic that had nothing to do with anything you find on Lipstick Alley...

[Levi Stubbs Tears]

Back to the original topic.. I always liked Bell and - though she didn't have many solo successes - she had a bunch with Blue Mink as well as her great backing vocals for Dusty, The Stones etc.

[Bluebrock]

Back to the original topic.. I always liked Bell and - though she didn't have many solo successes - she had a bunch with Blue Mink as well as her great backing vocals for Dusty, The Stones etc.
She was very talented. All of her solo albums contain some good moments, and some of her work with Blue Mink is well worth checking out.She was a regular on UK tv in the late 60's and early to mid 70's.

[TheMotownManiac]

I don’t like Dee Dee’s voice and I don’t care how soulful it is. The soulfulnosity quotient is not as important to me as tone quality,interp and and believability - however I do enjoy many soulful singers very much. I love Diana on this song and consider it one of her few killer studio performances that year. She’s coy, flirtatious, sexy and brings life to the lyrics the other two, IMO, don’t even come close to. She and Eddie are superb together and brought rare platinum status to the fourth charting version of the song - while, mind you, the album was selling platinum as well. This was a gigantic hit.

[midnightman]

Well you're right about one thing: you can feel the chemistry in the DR&TS/Tempts version. I feel Dee Dee didn't really wanna do the song hearing it.

[Bluebrock]

Well you're right about one thing: you can feel the chemistry in the DR&TS/Tempts version. I feel Dee Dee didn't really wanna do the song hearing it.
I love Dee Dee and would never criticise her, but i do not think she is heard at her best on this song. She provided us with many glorious moments which i will always treasure, but for me Madeline and Diana/Eddie handled it better.

[vgalindo]

Nothing tops Diana and Eddie. Its the best song by the Temps and Supremes IMO. I like Dee Dee's version but really don't care for Madeline's at all.

[Boogiedown]

https://soulfuldetroit.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jobeterob https://soulfuldetroit.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png [[https://soulfuldetroit.com/showthread.php?p=446422#post446422)

Was Mary allowed at the session or was she on holiday? or maybe off with Tom?



She could have sung it to him when the Supremes guested on his show because he had long since dumped her by then i do believe?

Who knows what Mary may or may not have sung to Tom privately, we do know what Diana belted out publicly toward Eddie:

"I'm gonna get you, I'm gonna get you.
Look out boy, 'cause I'm gonna get you.I'm gonna make you love me.
Ooo, yes I will.
Yes I will.
And I'm gonna MAKE YOU LOVE ME !!.
Ooo, yes I will
You know I will.
Every breathe I take.
And each and every step I make."

but just wondering, was that declaration recorded before , during, or after that reputed break-in attempt?? :confused::rolleyes:

[Boogiedown]

I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME was #1 in Cashbox and Record World , but only peaked at #2 for two weeks in Billboard because of a certain spoiler [[?) that wouldn't relinquish the crown at the top . But Motown I don't think was too bothered by it.:rolleyes:

And as most members here likely know, that would be because Marvin Gaye was blocking its final ascent with his seven week dominance at the top with I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE.:cool:

Record World reported I'M GONNA MAKE YOU LOVE ME as the country's Number One most favored record for three straight weeks.

[144man]

With the odd exception, 60s Motown was at its best on recordings of songs written by in-house Motown writers, and there is nothing about "I'm Gonna Make You Love Me" to make me change that opinion.