Cop shoots Black man in cold blood during traffic stop, girlfriend streams video

[soulster]

http://www.citypages.com/news/graphic-video-shows-black-man-bleeding-after-police-shooting-in-falcon-heights-video-8415016

This is even more disgusting! Just watch the video.

[Jerry Oz]

That pig stood there with his gun still on a dead man and his finger on the trigger. Killed for presenting his ID. Why was the passenger being told to present ID when they were pulled over for a busted tail light? Both of these incidents reek of pigs looking for trouble before the incidents even started. Now we can wait for another 15 month "investigation" as they get their narrative together before they tell us that the snake was following his training when he murdered that brother.

And they blame Beyonce for putting "stop killing us" in graffiti in her video. I have zero respect for cops at this point, just as I have zero respect for the system that allows this behavior to continue occurring. I might not be able to sleep tonight.

[marv2]

The murder:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOXA9Zc9lw

[marv2]

The aftermath:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/video/shooting-victims-mom-he-was-black-and-in-wrong-place/vi-BBu2IJm

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minn-cop-fatally-shoots-black-man-during-traffic-stop-aftermath-broadcast-on-facebook/ar-BBu22Up?ocid=ansmsnnews11

[marv2]

This is a must see!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0awqth0XI

[splanky]

This is a must see!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0awqth0XI

This is probably the most accurate assessment of the situations that exist today as I've
ever heard in the media, almost makes me want to watch tv again...
Unfortunately I don't see any real change coming anytime soon in this country, the problem
being racism is too deeply embedded into our society. Only the isolated rich can comfortably
ignore it. Another problem is that the fact that there are in black communities, like in any other communities, unsavory people, for lack of a better word, known to be involved in
criminal activity, is used to justify how the police behave when they interact with the
residents. It's been like that forever and won't change anytime soon so stay tuned to however you get your news feeds. They'll be another shooting. And nut jobs like the
Dallas sniper will be used to justify it. A not so merry go round we're on, ain't it?...

[Jerry Oz]

This is for the crowd who believes that we're overly sensitive and too quick to use race as an excuse for police brutality:

Minnesota Cop Pulled Philando Castile Over for his “Wide-Set Nose”
By CARLOS MILLER

The Minnesota cop who pulled Philando Castile over before shooting and killing him Wednesday did not actually pull him over for a broken tail light as was first reported.
No, St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez pulled him over because the 32-year-old man had a “wide-set nose.”


And that led Yanez to believe he was a possible armed robbery suspect.
That explains why the Yanez shot him four times as Castile was reaching for his drivers license to comply.


It is not clear how Yanez was able to determine the width of Castile’s nose before even pulling him over, but that is what he told a dispatcher before pulling the car over, according to an audio recording that was first published on KARE 11, a Minneapolis news station that obtained the recording from a viewer.


The news station said it try to confirm the authenticity of the recording with St. Anthony police, but their calls went ignored.


However, the recording did include Castile’s license plate number and the exact location where the shooting took place, so there is little doubt it is legit.


Here is the transcript from the recording, posted on KARE 11:
“I’m going to stop a car,” the officer says on the recording. “I’m going to check IDs. I have reason to pull it over.”
“The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery,” the officer says. “The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose,” the officer continues.
A minute and a half later, the recording captures the first report that there was a shooting.
Officer: “Shots fired Larpenteur and Fry.”
Dispatch: “Copy you just heard it? … You just heard the shots fired?”
Officer: [[screaming) “Code 3! Shots fired.”
Dispatch: “Copy shots fired Larpenteur and Fry. Do you need medics?”
Officer: “Code 3!”
Dispatch: “Copy. Medics — code 3 to Larpenteur and Fry.”
Officer: “One adult female taken into custody. Driver at gunpoint.”


Yang did not tell Castile he pulled him over because his wide-set nose, instead telling him it was because he had a broken tail light. The cop then asked for Castile’s license and registration.


Castile informed the officer he was a concealed weapons permit holder and that he was legally carrying a gun.


Seconds later, Yanez shot and killed him.


Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, then began live streaming, telling viewers that Castile was complying with the officer’s orders by reaching for his wallet when he was shot and killed.
Police ended up arresting her, holding her in a cell overnight before releasing her with no charges, but they kept her phone “as evidence.”


But because she was live streaming, it made no difference because the world had already seen what had taken place seconds after the shooting.

If the Justice Department can't find any description of a car matching the description of the incident or of a robbery that involved a man and a woman - "wide set nose" notwithstanding - then this pig needs to be charged and thrown away with the rest of the waste that victimizes the Black community. This doesn't need to take months. This "investigation" should take the same time it takes prosecutors to decide to charge a parent with abuse after spanking a child in a grocery store.

Besides that, has anyone wondered why they haven't told us all of the dirt about the murdered cops in Dallas the way they dug up Alton Sterling's past [[as if that justifies his murder)? They did it to Freddy Gray and Eric Garner, too. I'm not trying to besmirch the dead officers; I don't care to know what blood was on their hands because it has nothing to do with the heinous nature of their deaths. But it pisses me off when they try to justify killing somebody by suggesting that he had an arrest record. In the Philando Castille murder, all they could find was traffic tickets and they made sure to broadcast those.

[marv2]

This is for the crowd who believes that we're overly sensitive and too quick to use race as an excuse for police brutality:

If the Justice Department can't find any description of a car matching the description of the incident or of a robbery that involved a man and a woman - "wide set nose" notwithstanding - then this pig needs to be charged and thrown away with the rest of the waste that victimizes the Black community. This doesn't need to take months. This "investigation" should take the same time it takes prosecutors to decide to charge a parent with abuse after spanking a child in a grocery store.

Besides that, has anyone wondered why they haven't told us all of the dirt about the murdered cops in Dallas the way they dug up Alton Sterling's past [[as if that justifies his murder)? They did it to Freddy Gray and Eric Garner, too. I'm not trying to besmirch the dead officers; I don't care to know what blood was on their hands because it has nothing to do with the heinous nature of their deaths. But it pisses me off when they try to justify killing somebody by suggesting that he had an arrest record. In the Philando Castille murder, all they could find was traffic tickets and they made sure to broadcast those.

Did he not see the 4 year old little girl in the backseat? Who would take a pre-schooler on a robbery? I call bullshit!

[Jerry Oz]

Did he not see the 4 year old little girl in the backseat? Who would take a pre-schooler on a robbery? I call bullshit!I'm sure he thought woman driving was a man, which would show that he couldn't have seen a "wide-set nose" if he couldn't tell her gender. It's a game that they play where they come up with any reason to stop us, whether it makes sense or not.

[marv2]

I'm sure he thought woman driving was a man, which would show that he couldn't have seen a "wide-set nose" if he couldn't tell her gender. It's a game that they play where they come up with any reason to stop us, whether it makes sense or not.

Trust me I know.

[Jerry Oz]

Yep. Got me once for making a rolling stop shortly after midnight when there were no cars within a quarter mile in either direction. I'm pretty sure I stopped but it was his word against mine. Another time, they got me for having no front tag. It took him ten minutes to run my license [[it was clean) before letting me go with a warning. In those ten minutes, I counted 27 cars without front tags going in one direction; who knows how many went the other way? His sorry ass stopped me because he was a waste of flesh and wanted to harass me.

[marv2]

Yep. Got me once for making a rolling stop shortly after midnight when there were no cars within a quarter mile in either direction. I'm pretty sure I stopped but it was his word against mine. Another time, they got me for having no front tag. It took him ten minutes to run my license [[it was clean) before letting me go with a warning. In those ten minutes, I counted 27 cars without front tags going in one direction; who knows how many went the other way? His sorry ass stopped me because he was a waste of flesh and wanted to harass me.

Stopped my brother and I in the intersection on St. Raymond's in the Bronx claiming one of my brake lights was out. A young rookie cop and an older cop approached both sides of my car with their guns drawn. It just happened to be the same day that Mother Theresa and Princess Diana were also in the Bronx!

[Jerry Oz]

About twenty years ago, they stopped my nephew and his cousin as they walked home from middle school. They accused them of something that happened while they were both in class that day and scared the crap out of both. Eventually they drove them home and one apologized to my sister [[the other stayed in the car) and she blasted them for harassing two good kids on their way home from school.

Several years later, they stopped the same nephew as he was driving with his big brother and tore through his car without permission, damaging his car. They didn't find anything. One of the cops suddenly started talking to them instead of at them, probably hoping to avoid a complaint. They had no reason to pull them over.

I had a co-worker who told me that they pulled over her son with four friends in it. He gave them his license and was arrested for something he had not done. When told that they had a warrant for Donald Cherry, his cousin, who was in the car, told them that the warrant was for him; his name was Donald A. Cherry while the driver was Donald T. Cherry. They arrested the driver on his cousin's warrant anyway.

[theboyfromxtown]

As a youngster, I was stopped by the police in London many a time in my car on the way home. I got "questioned" and some may call it "harassed" but I was let off and I really never thought anything more about it.

I suspect we were "questioned" because of LGBT issues but it was no big deal.

[robb_k]

11471
One of the 3 times I had a gun held on me by Los Angeles City Police, a squad car pulled over my friend and me, as we were slowing down on a street, to start to pull in to a slant parking space. After we pulled in, the cop car stopped behind us, and the policemen got out, and walked towards the driver's side. The yelled at us to get out of the car. My friend asked "What is this all about?" The first cop screamed: "Get out of the car, with your hands up!" As we opened the doors, one yelled: "Move slowly and keep your hands up!" Outside each door, the two cops pushed us towards the car and yelled "Turn around!" They frisked us. My friend asked: "What did we do?" The 1st cop yelled: "Shut up!" The other looked through the front and back seats. This was 1965, before there were a lot of drugs flowing around and drug busts. The other cop had a gun pointed at me.

When the first cop said: "You can go now.", I asked, "Why did you stop us? The cop said, "Uh.... There was, uhh..... Your car fit the description of a stolen car."

Our car was an, old, beat-up Chevy II, which no one would have wanted to steal. Or, if some bank robbers wanted to grab it to use as a get-away car, the owner would have said, "Take it! With my compliments!" and would not have filed a theft report with the police.

I could tell, by the way the cop spoke, that he was trying to make up an excuse on the spot. I assume that many L.A. City cops had [[and may still have) an agenda which includes random harassment of random individuals [[aside from an additional agenda which includes harassment of African-Americans and Latinos) to show they have control of that city. For some policemen, it may be just an individual act of racism or racial hatred, while for others, it may just be a way to show power over others [[because they may have been bullied when young).

But, I suspect that both my friend and I would very likely have been beaten up badly, or even killed, had we had black or dark skin.

[theboyfromxtown]

Judge Judy often says "I could tell" or I suspected" that I would be 5' 8" but it never happened!!

What is fact though is that in 1965 the police pulled over your car and clearly it wasn't because of the colour of your skin.

[westgrandboulevard]

There may well be differences in law enforcement between the US and the UK.

With regard to drivers, the police here in the UK have the powers to pull over any motorist for any suspected offence. Technically, that means no matter how minor.

In reality, the time and administration work involved means that a light being inoperative, or other minor offence, often does not result in the driver being stopped.

The police officers are most likely to respond when the way the vehicle is being driven arouses suspicion - and especially when immediately alerted by computer that a passing vehicle has a suspect registration.

Most incidents when motorists are stopped are dealt with courteously, and with an appropriate degree of firmness.

All forces train their officers to see that the law is observed by everyone, irrespective of ethnicity - for example, of drivers and/or passengers. The police are expected to observe this, and all nationalities living within the UK are expected to understand and accept this. Unless circumstances in individual cases can be proved otherwise, it is simply the law of the land.

All that said, it is a hard fact that, for whatever reason, reported crime in London committed by black people is significantly higher than the percentage of black people in that population. That is a statistic to be read by anyone, whether they be white, black or from any other background.

It should not prejudice the response of the police officers in London, but there is an understandable need to be especially vigilant of suspicious behaviour by some black people, when obliged to make a swift judgement in any situation. It is their job to do so.

The one essential difference between the US and UK national police forces is the fact that UK officers, male and female, do not carry guns, unless in exceptional circumstances.

My understanding is that the US officers seem to carry guns on all occasions, even for traffic offences?

A gun in the hands of an irrational person, no matter what their ethnic background may be, or what uniform they may be wearing, is likely to lead to random action, with tragic results. We don't seem to be hearing too much from our black friends on the forum in the US about the white victims in similar, tragic circumstances. It surely must happen??

Recent events involving the police in the US, particularly concerning some black victims, is appalling to those of us here, when viewed from our distance.

It seems to be the widespread possession of guns in the US which has led to these situations, not simply that the victims were black.

It also does seem that the black population could and should support their 'brothers' far more positively, working together without the use of violence, on both sides of the Atlantic.

For example, can our black friends here confirm if they have ever trained or worked for any police force, or any emergency work which serves the general public - which includes their own race?

Also, do our black friends here think that more black officers would lessen the incidence of other black people being shot dead for what certainly appears to be tragically wrong reasons?

Or, is it far more expedient for our black friends here to regard all black people [[including themselves) as 'victims', and simply to regard [[generally white) police officers as 'pigs', as quoted?

In the UK, the black members of the population would seem to form a smaller percentage of the general population than in the US. For whatever reason, it seems difficult to recruit a sufficient percentage black officers to adequately represent the black population on both sides of the Atlantic, although I believe there has been some success in some US regions.

It is a hard reality that police forces, [[as with the general population), are indeed predominantly white, and it can be a hard, dangerous and potentially fatal job for some officers, at least at times. It must be assumed that most officers who fall below the required standard will then indeed be white.

It is also hard to read the comments of some of our black friends here, in emphasising not the common problems but the differences between black and white, without feeling that they are being very racist themselves towards their white friends here.

If that is the case, members of both races might then consider themselves as victims.

Instead of using our fingers on our keyboards, we might then wish to put guns in our hands.

And then where, exactly, does it go from there.....?

[splanky]

westgrand, with all due respect....you have absolutely no idea what life is like here in
America. You have no clue as to where we are with our existing gun and gang cultures
or how things have evolved from the establishment of the original thirteen colonies to
our always on the verge of violence, whether as assault or self defense, day to day
living...In my city alone we have more crime in a month than you have all year. The
thing about it is, something many of us here know is that many times, no- most times
the police in this country approach things differently when those involved are white
as opposed to people of color. Try this: go to youtube and watch the arrest of folks like
Dylan Roof who killed people at a church, and then Eric Garner, who sold loose cigarettes...

[theboyfromxtown]

So what do you suggest is the way forward to those matters?

[westgrandboulevard]

Splanky...

With equal respect, yes, I do have an idea of what it is like to live in America.

Undoubtedly there are problems, but you are being much too insular, and give the impression yourself of not knowing nor understanding how it is for anyone, anywhere else in the world; simply that yours is the worst place.

I may not live right there, but I can at least read, listen and consider, and form my own opinions.

You seem almost to be portraying the negative side of life as you experience it, as some sort of claim to fame.

As theboyfromxtown has asked; instead of reporting what may, or may not even have happened to you personally, and also what you feel other people don't understand about it....what do YOU propose to do about improving life where you are?

[marv2]

This photo of this sign was taken in 1961!

11472

[theboyfromxtown]

...In my city alone we have more crime in a month than you have all year.



Where is this city and where are you comparing it to?

[splanky]

Splanky...

With equal respect, yes, I do have an idea of what it is like to live in America.

Undoubtedly there are problems, but you are being much too insular, and give the impression yourself of not knowing nor understanding how it is for anyone, anywhere else in the world; simply that yours is the worst place.

I may not live right there, but I can at least read, listen and consider, and form my own opinions.

You seem almost to be portraying the negative side of life as you experience it, as some sort of claim to fame.

As theboyfromxtown has asked; instead of reporting what may, or may not even have happened to you personally, and also what you feel other people don't understand about it....what do YOU propose to do about improving life where you are?

Now you're trying to put words in my mouth...oh boy...At no time did I say I live in the worst
place in the world, for your information sir, I have been outside of my city and country and have seen some things that made me anxious to get back. I've also enjoyed better days in
other parts of this country in places that are now no longer as peaceful as they were 25-30
years ago. And you can forget about that claim to fame garbage. I take no pleasure or pride
in how morality and humanity has declined amongst both the citizenry and the police assigned to protect them. But I don't try to ignore or deny it either. I live in New York. I
can only govern my own life. None of my ideas about music, art, culture and education mean
diddleysquat to the people, the elected officials, the politicians, the developers, the police
as well as the criminals who control my surrounding area. I just deal with them as best as I can without hurting anybody....

[splanky]

This photo of this sign was taken in 1961!

11472

Ah, I guess it's taking a little longer than expected, huh?....

[marv2]

Ah, I guess it's taking a little longer than expected, huh?....

Much longer Splanky. I was a kid in the sixties and I believed adults when they told us that things would be much better when we grew up........yeah right!

[splanky]

Much longer Splanky. I was a kid in the sixties and I believed adults when they told us that things would be much better when we grew up........yeah right!

One of my favorite classic soul songs of all time is The Five Stairsteps Ooh Child. It's so
uplifting and when I heard them sing about how "things are gonna get easier" as a kid
I believed it. Several other artists have liked the song well enough to cover it, from
Nina Simone to New Birth. It's just beautiful. Beautiful,as a picture or dream can be but not necessarily true...

[westgrandboulevard]

Splanky,

In case it does go unnoticed, most white people would also want, and have long wanted, an immediate end to police brutality and murder of people, simply for the reason they are black.

Just as most people want the same for the white people who are brutalised and murdered in great numbers by white people, often simply as a result of hate.

Our lives change and aren't always what we would want, but they are all we have.

Murder, of course, is always murder.

Yes, to agree, and also slightly paraphrase your sentiment, I believe most people, black or white, would echo your words, and say of the problems in their own lives "I just deal with them as best I can without hurting anybody".

PS. I also like 'Ooh Child', either by The Stairsteps, or particularly Mary Wilson, and just sing it for my own,very individual reasons :))

[theboyfromxtown]

The population of London is greater than New York [[although not by much) so that is significant that the New York crime rate is 12 times that of London.

Does that say anything about the make up of the population of New York or is London doing something that New York ought to be doing?

[westgrandboulevard]

Population approximately the same, but New York crime rate is 12 times that of London??!

I didn't know that.

Difficult to believe that the New York crime rate could ever match London now.

Makes it sound like someone there might well need a gun to hand, from the minute they made their first sound, until their last...:[[

[marv2]

One of my favorite classic soul songs of all time is The Five Stairsteps Ooh Child. It's so
uplifting and when I heard them sing about how "things are gonna get easier" as a kid
I believed it. Several other artists have liked the song well enough to cover it, from
Nina Simone to New Birth. It's just beautiful. Beautiful,as a picture or dream can be but not necessarily true...

We all felt that way upon hearing that song in the summer of 1970!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfKyfu-ey6Q

[marv2]

So what do you suggest is the way forward to those matters?

Prosecute the cops for murder or manslaughter in these cases just like any other citizen that commit such acts and make it stick!

[theboyfromxtown]

Prosecute the cops for murder or manslaughter in these cases just like any other citizen that commit such acts and make it stick!

I totally agree with that. But how to you get to reduce those crime figures significantly.

[marv2]

I totally agree with that. But how to you get to reduce those crime figures significantly.

I think you are mixing two issues together. Police brutality and crime over all are two separate issues in my opinion. People in the general population that commit crimes are prosecuted. Cops are not for the most part.

[theboyfromxtown]

I hear you Marv2.

Splanky reported that [[in New York) the crime rate was some 12 times worse [[than in London). However, the population of both cities is, by and large, the same. Would there be an obvious reason to explain that?

[Jerry Oz]

Prosecute the cops for murder or manslaughter in these cases just like any other citizen that commit such acts and make it stick!

This is problem number one. Cops who kill unarmed people [[sometimes not even suspected of a crime) have secret investigations, often conducted by other cops. The public is not privileged to hear anything discussed until they cleared, often times more than a year later. This occurs frequently, even when the murder was on tape.

People seem to think that skin color somehow predisposes people to criminal activity. For example, West made mention of the fact that the rate of Black criminals is higher their percentage of the population. Why? Is that to suggest that a Black lawyer should be looked at as if he will likely rob or kill? Should the British PM hide the silverware when President Obama visits?

The gentleman who was murdered by the pig [[he earned that title) was stopped because the cop said a robbery suspect resembled him because of "a wide set nose". Had the suspect been said to have had blonde hair, do you think he would stop every blonde man that he saw?

[marv2]

Population approximately the same, but New York crime rate is 12 times that of London??!

I didn't know that.

Difficult to believe that the New York crime rate could ever match London now.

Makes it sound like someone there might well need a gun to hand, from the minute they made their first sound, until their last...:[[

New York is not that bad, in fact the crime rate here is as low as it's been since the 1960s. Now back in the 80s, you wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near New York things were so bad and crime was through the roof!

[marv2]

This is problem number one. Cops who kill unarmed people [[sometimes not even suspected of a crime) have secret investigations, often conducted by other cops. The public is not privileged to hear anything discussed until they cleared, often times more than a year later. This occurs frequently, even when the murder was on tape.

People seem to think that skin color somehow predisposes people to criminal activity. For example, West made mention of the fact that the rate of Black criminals is higher their percentage of the population. Why? Is that to suggest that a Black lawyer should be looked at as if he will likely rob or kill? Should the British PM hide the silverware when President Obama visits?

The gentleman who was murdered by the pig [[he earned that title) was stopped because the cop said a robbery suspect resembled him because of "a wide set nose". Had the suspect been said to have had blonde hair, do you think he would stop every blonde man that he saw?

There is a video of a blonde haired man waving his gun around in front of a bunch of police even after they ordered him to drop it. They eventually shot him in like the knee and he fell holding his leg, but it seems like it took them forever to do anything.

I just heard recently that one of the cops that killed Amadou Diallo in NYC was just give a PROMOTION! Can you believe that? All 4 officers involved in that murder were cleared of all charges in 2000.

[marv2]

I hear you Marv2.

Splanky reported that [[in New York) the crime rate was some 12 times worse [[than in London). However, the population of both cities is, by and large, the same. Would there be an obvious reason to explain that?

theboyfromxtown, in 1994 a comparison of the crimes rates of Metro Detroit and the Greater Toronto Area. They focused on the murder rate primarily. Both cities had populations of approx. 4.5 million in their respective metro areas. Detroit had 650 murders compared to Toronto's 28 murders during the same 12 month period. The contrast was shocking but when you consider the number of handguns on the streets of Detroit, compared to Toronto it is not so surprising. In fact, 23 of Toronto's 28 murders occurred among Asian street gangs fighting among themselves!

The cities are less than 240 miles apart..........

[Jerry Oz]

To be sure, it happens to White people as well. A 19 year old was shot as he got out of his truck a few weeks ago. He dropped to the pavement and instead of arresting him, the pigs waited 14 seconds and then shot him to death as he lay on the ground. The kicker is that he wasn't the guy they were looking for.

But to your point, earlier this year, Cincinnati PD responded to a domestic disturbance and confronted a White man who waved a gun toward them. They talked him down arrested him. That same month, the same department responded to an accident scene and found a Black man stumbling around, injured and apparently confused. They ordered him to his knees, even though he had committed no crime. They shot him to death when they said he tried to stand up. He apparently had a BB gun on his person and that's why they are still copping today.

[Jerry Oz]

theboyfromxtown, in 1994 a comparison of the crimes rates of Metro Detroit and the Greater Toronto Area. They focused on the murder rate primarily. Both cities had populations of approx. 4.5 million in their respective metro areas. Detroit had 650 murders compared to Toronto's 28 murders during the same 12 month period. The contrast was shocking but when you consider the number of handguns on the streets of Detroit, compared to Toronto it is not so surprising. In fact, 23 of Toronto's 28 murders occurred among Asian street gangs fighting among themselves!

The cities are less than 240 miles apart..........

Young Black men are less than six percent of the population, but they comprise 40% of the victims when unarmed people are killed by the police.

[marv2]

Young Black men are less than six percent of the population, but they comprise 40% of the victims when unarmed people are killed by the police.

It's is disgusting. It is also clear that race does play a very significant role in police using excessive, deadly force.

[Jerry Oz]

Here's an article about your former mayor, Rudy Giuliani. He amped up his BS after the shooting.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rudy-giuliani-black-kids-99-chance-killing-article-1.2706349

[marv2]

Here's an article about your former mayor, Rudy Giuliani. He amped up his BS after the shooting.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rudy-giuliani-black-kids-99-chance-killing-article-1.2706349

He's never been MY mayor, the JERK! LOL! It was from him and former Police Chief Howard Safir [[aka Satan) that I first heard the term "Don't rush to judgement"!

[Jerry Oz]

Didn't "stop and frisk" start under them? The Department of Justice advised them that it's unconstitutional but Bratton [[and DiBlasio) are refusing to open their e-mails.

Another Apartheid utility.

[marv2]

Didn't "stop and frisk" start under them? The Department of Justice advised them that it's unconstitutional but Bratton [[and DiBlasio) are refusing to open their e-mails.

Another Apartheid utility.

It really kicked off under Michael Bloomberg, the Emperor! I actually saw them with a young black man handcuffed around a utility pole on lower Broadway on the hottest day in July 2012. It looked like something out of a slave movie.

[theboyfromxtown]

theboyfromxtown, in 1994 a comparison of the crimes rates of Metro Detroit and the Greater Toronto Area. They focused on the murder rate primarily. Both cities had populations of approx. 4.5 million in their respective metro areas. Detroit had 650 murders compared to Toronto's 28 murders during the same 12 month period. The contrast was shocking but when you consider the number of handguns on the streets of Detroit, compared to Toronto it is not so surprising. In fact, 23 of Toronto's 28 murders occurred among Asian street gangs fighting among themselves!

The cities are less than 240 miles apart..........

If I reading this right.....the reason is the ability to carry and use guns.

Sounds like there is a simple solution! But clearly it ain't happening.

[robb_k]

Splanky...

With equal respect, yes, I do have an idea of what it is like to live in America.

Undoubtedly there are problems, but you are being much too insular, and give the impression yourself of not knowing nor understanding how it is for anyone, anywhere else in the world; simply that yours is the worst place.

I may not live right there, but I can at least read, listen and consider, and form my own opinions.

You seem almost to be portraying the negative side of life as you experience it, as some sort of claim to fame.

As theboyfromxtown has asked; instead of reporting what may, or may not even have happened to you personally, and also what you feel other people don't understand about it....what do YOU propose to do about improving life where you are?
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Why do you think that Caucasians on these threads, who live in the same [[or similar) large US cities, agree with what Jerry and Splanky and other African Americans are saying, and that they are NOT exaggerating.

What can we do to help fix the situation? It is a tremendously difficult situation. The children are taught this hatred by their parents. They come to school with these ideas, and are not open to listening to their teachers. They would need to live with their perceived enemy for a long time, and work together against a common enemy, to find out that each other are human, the same as they are. That's what needs to happen with The Palestinians and Israelis and Hindus and Muslims, and Christians, Moslems and Jews, and all other groups who don't trust each other. Humans have instincts that come from the time when "survival of the fittest" [[natural selection) was operating. They naturally divide into smaller [[more intimate) groups, whose interests are more shared than with the wider populations. If the population of this World eventually all speak one single language [[Chinese? English?), and evolve into one culture, it would break up into different factions of self-interest groups, who would believe that the greater portion of the population was less interested in their personal interests, and more in their own local interests. So, they would make new "enemies". It's a survival technique. Who is better at knowing one's own personal interests, and more willing to fight for them than the immediate people who share those interests?

I can't imagine millions of Humans getting along in harmony. I don't believe it is in their nature to do so. I have met thousands of very nice, empathetic people in my life, who live by "The Golden Rule". I try to hang around with such people. But, I've also met thousands of irrational, mean, angry, and hateful people, as well. I have tried to be friendly towards them, understand them, show them tolerance. That helps, sometimes. But, in many cases, it does not. We all have to try to make The World a better place, by being positive with as many people as possible. That positivity will be absorbed as much as is possible. It will bring better results than our being negative. But, we can only do what we can do, and hope the results are as good as possible.

ALL things change eventually. I would have expected hatred of Europeans [["Caucasians") against the darker peoples [[so-called "races") to die out, or diminish greatly over a hundred years ago. But it hasn't happened. Same for Christians and Muslims hatred for The Jews, and Europeans' despising of The Gypsies.

People are still hating ME, personally, for killing their god, who was actually one of my people [[the same people they purport to hate). How does one combat such irrationality and madness?

You meet those people, find common ground, show them that you are human, and become friends. I am Jewish, with about 1/3 of my family in Israel. I have lived in more than 10 Arab Muslim countries for over 15 years. I have MANY Palestinian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Sudani, Moroccan friends [[mostly Moslem, but some Christian). I have many Christian friends from many countries. I have several German friends. My best friend in The World [[and business partner) is a German, whose parents were adults during The Nazi rule, and fully one half of my family was murdered by The Nazis.

I have worked for Native Canadian and Native American tribal governments, and have many friends from working on those reservations. We all do what we can.

But old ways and what parents teach to their children have strong roots, and are difficult to change. I hope it doesn't take a bloody revolution in USA or all over Europe to change ethnic hatred. And worse, that those hatreds disappear, but new ones come in to take their place.

[theboyfromxtown]

Have you seen this? What do you guys think of this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GydCnn_bUeg

[roger]

Actually, in international terms, The US has a fairly average murder rate .. as can be seen on the list at this link .....

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

The most recent figures at that link [[for 2010) have The US coming in at #99 with a murder rate of 42.01 per Million residents. The most murderous countries are Honduras with a rate of 913.5 murders per million in 2011, followed by El Salvador, The Ivory Coast and Jamaica. Jamaica's murder rate in 2010 was 529.39 per million .. about 13 times the rate in The US.

The UK ranks #157 with a murder rate of 11.68 per million in 2009 [[about a quarter of that in The USA).

The US does rank high if only economically/technologically advanced "Western" countries are included, as most of the countries at the top of the list are in South and Central America or in Africa.

Roger

[robb_k]

Actually, in international terms, The US has a fairly average murder rate .. as can be seen on the list at this link .....

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Murder-rate-per-million-people

The most recent figures at that link [[for 2010) have The US coming in at #99 with a murder rate of 42.01 per Million residents. The most murderous countries are Honduras with a rate of 913.5 murders per million in 2011, followed by El Salvador, The Ivory Coast and Jamaica. Jamaica's murder rate in 2010 was 529.39 per million .. about 13 times the rate in The US.

The UK ranks #157 with a murder rate of 11.68 per million in 2009 [[about a quarter of that in The USA).

The US DOES rank high if only economically/technologically advanced "Western" countries are included, as most of the countries at the top of the list are in South and Central America or in Africa.
Roger
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That is very telling. It doesn't make me feel very good knowing that USA is ONLY as dangerous as the average war and revolution-torn 3rd World dictatorship, given that I still have some family and a few friends living there, and I also spend a few months a year there, myself.

[Jerry Oz]

This demands an answer.

There may well be differences in law enforcement between the US and the UK.

With regard to drivers, the police here in the UK have the powers to pull over any motorist for any suspected offence. Technically, that means no matter how minor.

In the US, pulling someone over because they have a "wide set nose" is considered a violation of their Constitutional rights. As is pulling them over for simply being non-White in the wrong area. It happens frequently and although complaints are affirmed through the courts, it happens consistently with no ramifications to the offending agencies.

In reality, the time and administration work involved means that a light being inoperative, or other minor offence, often does not result in the driver being stopped.

The police officers are most likely to respond when the way the vehicle is being driven arouses suspicion - and especially when immediately alerted by computer that a passing vehicle has a suspect registration.
Again, in this case and many others, the car was pulled over because the driver was Black. Read the first posts in this thread. They have the time to do things like this and since there are no consequences, they do. YouTube is full of videos of it. Bully for the Brits with their computers, but in the US they don't need a computer to help concoct reasons to pull people over.

Most incidents when motorists are stopped are dealt with courteously, and with an appropriate degree of firmness.

The passenger complied with the officer's instructions and was killed for doing so. Is that firm enough or worthy of concern?

All forces train their officers to see that the law is observed by everyone, irrespective of ethnicity - for example, of drivers and/or passengers. The police are expected to observe this, and all nationalities living within the UK are expected to understand and accept this. Unless circumstances in individual cases can be proved otherwise, it is simply the law of the land.

US police training typically provides 60 hours of legal training in ~nine months of training in the academies. A far cry from the four years that lawyers spend trying to learn the same laws. Not just that, but very few police departments have diversity training or emphasis on how to do their jobs without profiling.

All that said, it is a hard fact that, for whatever reason, reported crime in London committed by black people is significantly higher than the percentage of black people in that population. That is a statistic to be read by anyone, whether they be white, black or from any other background.

It should not prejudice the response of the police officers in London, but there is an understandable need to be especially vigilant of suspicious behaviour by some black people, when obliged to make a swift judgement in any situation. It is their job to do so.
And when I mention that slavery was a situation that had White people standing over Black people with whips for centuries in our country, they say "well, that wasn't me". How about White peoples destroying the Incan and Mayan cultures, killing six million Jews in concentration camps, and ruling over India and African nations with guns and iron thumbs?

You'll suggest that I'm reaching with this response, but typically [[again), White people say "well, I didn't do that". It appears that you're saying that a Black lawyer [[or president) should be looked at with a curious eye because "for whatever reason, reported crime by Black people is significantly higher than the percentage of Black people in the population". And what is "suspicious behavior"? We have a phenomenon here known as "driving while Black", which for too many cops is a reason to pull someone over. So, would I be a suspect in spite of the fact that I've never committed a crime in England or the US?

The one essential difference between the US and UK national police forces is the fact that UK officers, male and female, do not carry guns, unless in exceptional circumstances.

My understanding is that the US officers seem to carry guns on all occasions, even for traffic offences?

They're even required to carry sidearms when they are off-duty.

A gun in the hands of an irrational person, no matter what their ethnic background may be, or what uniform they may be wearing, is likely to lead to random action, with tragic results. We don't seem to be hearing too much from our black friends on the forum in the US about the white victims in similar, tragic circumstances. It surely must happen??

There is typically no psychological training involved with police recruits and often none available after cops shoot people in the line of duty. Black suspects [[even when they aren't suspected of crimes) are killed at a frequency that is three times that of White suspects in similar situations. Black men account for 6% of the US population but they are 40% of the unarmed people killed by police. Unarmed. Forget the two cases this week when they had guns but were not a threat to use them. I'm talking about people who in some cases are walking away and clearly no threat to the officers who are compelled to use deadly force only when protecting their lives or the life of others.

And White people are also murdered by police but with less frequency. There has been a dustup recently about Dylan Noble, a White man who was shot after a short pursuit in San Diego. He exited his truck under gunpoint and was shot with his hands up. After he lay on the ground for 14 seconds, they shot him to death without attempting to call for medical assistance or even to actually arrest him. It turns out, he was not the suspect that they were looking for and he was unarmed. Black Lives Matter has brought attention to his death although national media has largely ignored it. So yeah, it's a bigger problem than just cops killing Black people. Sadly, it's a bigger problem for us than for other Americans.

Recent events involving the police in the US, particularly concerning some black victims, is appalling to those of us here, when viewed from our distance.

It seems to be the widespread possession of guns in the US which has led to these situations, not simply that the victims were black.

There are more guns in the hands of White people than Black people. And if you think it's appalling from a distance, come hang out for a few weeks and take a closer look.

It also does seem that the black population could and should support their 'brothers' far more positively, working together without the use of violence, on both sides of the Atlantic.

For example, can our black friends here confirm if they have ever trained or worked for any police force, or any emergency work which serves the general public - which includes their own race?

Why'd you bring peace into the conversation? Until Wednesday night, there was not a violent act associated with the "Black Lives Matter" movement. We've been extremely peaceful. Most cops killed in the past decade and beyond were killed by White suspects.

And no, I haven't worked with community action organizations. So you have me there.

Also, do our black friends here think that more black officers would lessen the incidence of other black people being shot dead for what certainly appears to be tragically wrong reasons?

Or, is it far more expedient for our black friends here to regard all black people [[including themselves) as 'victims', and simply to regard [[generally white) police officers as 'pigs', as quoted?

No, Black cops are just as violent as White cops. More over, in places like Baltimore. Cops should be required to live within the communities that they serve. Otherwise they patrol like members of an occupying force as opposed to civilians who are there to preserve order. They have totally alienated citizens in some communities by harassing people for small or no reason and those folks no longer work with them to report criminal activity. It's ridiculous.

I call cops who kill people without cause "pigs". I'm offended that you suggest that I refer to White cops as pigs. You've never read that and the fact that you assumed there was a race angle toward my use of the word tells me a bit about your worldview. Sadly, many White people think that this movement is because Black people want to complain about something that most White people refuse to acknowledge. Even some of our - to borrow your words - White friends here at Soulful Detroit.

In the UK, the black members of the population would seem to form a smaller percentage of the general population than in the US. For whatever reason, it seems difficult to recruit a sufficient percentage black officers to adequately represent the black population on both sides of the Atlantic, although I believe there has been some success in some US regions.

It is a hard reality that police forces, [[as with the general population), are indeed predominantly white, and it can be a hard, dangerous and potentially fatal job for some officers, at least at times. It must be assumed that most officers who fall below the required standard will then indeed be white.

The current movement has roots in an incident that occurred in Ferguson, Missouri. The police force in Ferguson had 47 White cops and two Black cops on it, even though the community is 70% Black. There was no shortage of Black recruits or available candidates within the community.

[Jerry Oz]

Continued from above:

It is also hard to read the comments of some of our black friends here, in emphasising not the common problems but the differences between black and white, without feeling that they are being very racist themselves towards their white friends here.

I'm curious as to why you say this. I don't care whether any of my fellow posters is White. Please explain how we are being racist toward our White friends by saying that it's time to reform criminal justice in America. This was singularly the most offensive thing that I've read on these forums [[and that's saying a lot).

When you hear us say "stop shooting us", it's because it continues to occur 150 years beyond the abolition of slavery. To be sure, there are thousands of White people who have taken up this cause, and I greatly appreciate their sacrifice of time and dedication toward ensuring civil rights for all.

If that is the case, members of both races might then consider themselves as victims.

Instead of using our fingers on our keyboards, we might then wish to put guns in our hands.

And then where, exactly, does it go from there.....?

I've considered it, but to what end? I avoid situations in my personal life where I'm likely to need a gun. It's my experience and understanding that guns are used too soon when other options for de-escalation are available and that's the whole point with this issue. If a cop finds me with a gun, legally or not, I'm much more likely to be the next victim. Hell, if history is any indicator, if they think a cell phone "looks like" a gun and are compelled to shoot people for texting, what would they do if they actually found a gun on me?

I appreciate your post but it clearly revealed very large differences between experiences and perspective between you and me. So that you'll be aware, my brother-in-law was killed by a cop who was dispatched to resolve a dispute between him and his girlfriend. They shot him when - according to them - he reached for a gun. Personally, I don't think it happened that way. But it's their word against my suspicion, because they also killed his girlfriend and there's no witness remaining. By the way, it was the second time that the cop who killed him had dispensed deadly force while on the job.

[soulster]

Beew away in the last three or four days, and need to catch up on this thread. But, has anyone yet mentioned the update about the cop who shot Philando Castile? First, he says he shot him because it was about the presence of a gun, not his race. Well, the problem with that is cops panic when they see a Black man. That's a fact. There is no doubt in my mind that had the driver been white, he would be alive and well today. Why? because the cop then claimed that he pulled Castile over because he looked like someone who was about to commit a crime. Oh, but, what about that alleged broken taillight? He just admitted he racially profiled him. Add that to his itchy trigger finger, and you've got a racially-motivated shooting.

What further angers me is people are [[rightfully) honoring cops being shot, but where was all of this support and holding vigils when the two innocent men were shot? And, why is it OK for white people to brandish guns, but as soon as a black man does, he's labeled a suspect, gets his photo plastered all over the media, and interrogated?

No justice, man! And, the far-right and Fox still goes after the Black Lives Matter movement, calling them a terrorist group. Not that I condone it, but I can see why Micah Johnson went radical.

[Jerry Oz]

Have you seen this? What do you guys think of this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GydCnn_bUeg
She's right regarding people protesting when shooting is justified. But to suggest that we should look the other way when Freddie Gray's neck is broken as he ran away from another "humble" [[Baltimore cops call the arrest of people for offenses such as looking them in their eyes while walking down the street - or avoiding eye contact with them - a humble), when Eric Garner was choked to death for selling loose cigarettes when all they had to say was "move along or you'll be arrested", LaQuan McDonald was shot for walking down the middle of the street, Tamir Rice is killed in less than 2 seconds after a pig sees him with a BB gun, or a dozen other names that I'm upset to know in this country of 300 million.

When people try to suggest that Black on Black crime is a justification for police brutality, it blows my mind. Here's why: If I shoot you, then I will be arrested and tried in a court of law. If a cop shoots you, in well over 95% of the time, there will be no punishment, let alone charges filed. And when charges are filed, they are typically less than those filed against a civilian and the cop is found not guilty more often than not.

DO NOT CONFUSE THESE TWO ISSUES. People who protest when someone precipitated their own death by attacking the police with deadly force are idiots. But they have rules and guidelines for how to do their jobs. When they violate those rules, wouldn't you think they should be held to a higher standard? Well, they are not. In fact, they are encouraged to be more aggressive by a system that protects them even when they have committed blatant crimes while in uniform.

I agree with a lot of what she said in the video, but she's confused. Her perspective will change when it happens to her.

[Jerry Oz]

Beew away in the last three or four days, and need to catch up on this thread. But, has anyone yet mentioned the update about the cop who shot Philando Castile? First, he says he shot him because it was about the presence of a gun, not his race. Well, the problem with that is cops panic when they see a Black man. That's a fact. There is no doubt in my mind that had the driver been white, he would be alive and well today. Why? because the cop then claimed that he pulled Castile over because he looked like someone who was about to commit a crime. Oh, but, what about that alleged broken taillight? He just admitted he racially profiled him. Add that to his itchy trigger finger, and you've got a racially-motivated shooting.

What further angers me is people are [[rightfully) honoring cops being shot, but where was all of this support and holding vigils when the two innocent men were shot? And, why is it OK for white people to brandish guns, but as soon as a black man does, he's labeled a suspect, gets his photo plastered all over the media, and interrogated?

No justice, man! And, the far-right and Fox still goes after the Black Lives Matter movement, calling them a terrorist group. Not that I condone it, but I can see why Micah Johnson went radical.Soulster, the transcript of the stop has him telling the dispatcher that he's going to stop the car because the driver looks like a suspect in a robbery because of his "wide-set nose". I'm itching to find out what robbery he was concerned about. I'm thinking that there are too many robbers who commit crimes with four-year olds in the back seat. He absolutely profiled him and murdered him for being Black.

All that I want from this mess is open and transparent hearings and investigations when it occurs. Why are union members on the investigating commissions for use of force? Why are the hearings held in secret? And to that end, why don't cops police themselves? When you hear that "they aren't all bad", it's bullshit. Because if they don't correct the problem of bad police when they know about it, they allow bad cops to do what they do. And you will find that when cops report their brothers in blue for stepping over the line, the reporting cop is flushed out through a campaign of behavior that literally puts his life in danger. They find rats in their lockers. They make calls for assistance in dangerous situations that go unanswered. They find other cops parked outside their houses, observing them 24 hours a day. Their wives and children are given frivolous traffic tickets. Facebook messages begin to appear accusing them of foul play and infidelity.

I'm not trying to hear about good cops because good ones are fired or quit soon after they break ranks. I'm not saying that I'm not extremely aggrieved over the five cops who were killed in Dallas; I feel horrible about that. But the police are a necessary evil and criminal justice reform is long overdue.

[marv2]

If I reading this right.....the reason is the ability to carry and use guns.

Sounds like there is a simple solution! But clearly it ain't happening.

Getting guns off of the street and people's homes is hardly a simple solution here in America. The NRA is almost all powerful and they would use that power to prevent it.

[marv2]

Soulster, the transcript of the stop has him telling the dispatcher that he's going to stop the car because the driver looks like a suspect in a robbery because of his "wide-set nose". I'm itching to find out what robbery he was concerned about. I'm thinking that there are too many robbers who commit crimes with four-year olds in the back seat. He absolutely profiled him and murdered him for being Black.

All that I want from this mess is open and transparent hearings and investigations when it occurs. Why are union members on the investigating commissions for use of force? Why are the hearings held in secret? And to that end, why don't cops police themselves? When you hear that "they aren't all bad", it's bullshit. Because if they don't correct the problem of bad police when they know about it, they allow bad cops to do what they do. And you will find that when cops report their brothers in blue for stepping over the line, the reporting cop is flushed out through a campaign of behavior that literally puts his life in danger. They find rats in their lockers. They make calls for assistance in dangerous situations that go unanswered. They find other cops parked outside their houses, observing them 24 hours a day. Their wives and children are given frivolous traffic tickets. Facebook messages begin to appear accusing them of foul play and infidelity.

I'm not trying to hear about good cops because good ones are fired or quit soon after they break ranks. I'm not saying that I'm not extremely aggrieved over the five cops who were killed in Dallas; I feel horrible about that. But the police are a necessary evil and criminal justice reform is long overdue.

Isn't that at least a part of Christopher Dorner's story?

[soulster]

Soulster, the transcript of the stop has him telling the dispatcher that he's going to stop the car because the driver looks like a suspect in a robbery because of his "wide-set nose".

I did not see the transcript, and heard about what the cop stated second-hand, but thank you. Talking about his nose is still racial profiling!


I'm itching to find out what robbery he was concerned about. I'm thinking that there are too many robbers who commit crimes with four-year olds in the back seat. He absolutely profiled him and murdered him for being Black.

Right! And, just because the cop is Latino make no difference. There are plenty of racist or biased Latinos out there. You have dark skin? You're a suspect! Same goes for the legal gun possession I mentioned.


All that I want from this mess is open and transparent hearings and investigations when it occurs. Why are union members on the investigating commissions for use of force?

Some cities, like Los Angeles, now have citizen review boards.


Why are the hearings held in secret? And to that end, why don't cops police themselves? When you hear that "they aren't all bad", it's bullshit. Because if they don't correct the problem of bad police when they know about it, they allow bad cops to do what they do.

Exactly! A "good" cop is just a cop who doesn't narc on his comrades.


And you will find that when cops report their brothers in blue for stepping over the line, the reporting cop is flushed out through a campaign of behavior that literally puts his life in danger. They find rats in their lockers. They make calls for assistance in dangerous situations that go unanswered. They find other cops parked outside their houses, observing them 24 hours a day. Their wives and children are given frivolous traffic tickets. Facebook messages begin to appear accusing them of foul play and infidelity.


Yup It's intimidation. Why is it that cops have to have such a deep trust? Is it so they will get backed up if they do something illegal?


I'm not trying to hear about good cops because good ones are fired or quit soon after they break ranks. I'm not saying that I'm not extremely aggrieved over the five cops who were killed in Dallas; I feel horrible about that. But the police are a necessary evil and criminal justice reform is long overdue.

The Baton Rouge DA just recused himself of the case pending the federal investigation into the shooting there. It turns out that the DA is good friends of the parents of the cop who shot Alton Sterling, who just also happen to be former Baton Rouge cops. Quite telling, especially when you consider that that cop, and his partner, have been the subject of several internal investigations for misconduct. Police corruption and collusion.

And, i'll bet none of the cops involved in the shootings are from the areas they patrol. They don't know the locals, and it has been proven time and time again that community policing works.

[soulster]

Getting guns off of the street and people's homes is hardly a simple solution here in America. The NRA is almost all powerful and they would use that power to prevent it.

The NRA is usually quick to defend the Second Amendment, but they are mysteriously silent whenever it comes to people of color legally possessing and carrying firearms. They say they don't care who you are, but the NRA is overwhelmingly white, and everyone knows why white people arm themselves: to protect themselves from the black people.

I've had two radical NRA members admit to me that they literally write gun laws for the legislators to pass. With that kind of inside track, it is impossible to get anything to change in this country.

[theboyfromxtown]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/11/dallas-police-chief-to-protesters-become-a-part-of-the-solution-were-hiring/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

What do you think guys?

[Jerry Oz]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/11/dallas-police-chief-to-protesters-become-a-part-of-the-solution-were-hiring/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

What do you think guys?
I think that if I was to ask about crossing the thin blue line to report a cop who is tarnishing the shield by abusing suspects and ignoring protocol, I'd never again receive a positive employment review regardless of how well I performed my job. That man is uniquely positioned to earn the public trust by initiating reforms but he'd rather tell us how hard their jobs are then enlist half a million willing citizens who want nothing more than to trust the police. I heard that Dallas has a relatively progressive and transparent police department, but I know of abuses that they did as well.

[Jerry Oz]

Isn't that at least a part of Christopher Dorner's story?
Chris Dorner was a rising star until he told his superiors about the misdeeds of two fellow LAPD offices. Rather than discipline then, the department treated him as persona non grata and began pushing out the door. His union rep let management abuse him without supporting him. When he lost his dream job, he snapped and killed the daughter of his union rep and her fiance in addition to another officer. It's a fascinating story.

[marv2]

Soulster, the transcript of the stop has him telling the dispatcher that he's going to stop the car because the driver looks like a suspect in a robbery because of his "wide-set nose". I'm itching to find out what robbery he was concerned about. I'm thinking that there are too many robbers who commit crimes with four-year olds in the back seat. He absolutely profiled him and murdered him for being Black.

All that I want from this mess is open and transparent hearings and investigations when it occurs. Why are union members on the investigating commissions for use of force? Why are the hearings held in secret? And to that end, why don't cops police themselves? When you hear that "they aren't all bad", it's bullshit. Because if they don't correct the problem of bad police when they know about it, they allow bad cops to do what they do. And you will find that when cops report their brothers in blue for stepping over the line, the reporting cop is flushed out through a campaign of behavior that literally puts his life in danger. They find rats in their lockers. They make calls for assistance in dangerous situations that go unanswered. They find other cops parked outside their houses, observing them 24 hours a day. Their wives and children are given frivolous traffic tickets. Facebook messages begin to appear accusing them of foul play and infidelity.

I'm not trying to hear about good cops because good ones are fired or quit soon after they break ranks. I'm not saying that I'm not extremely aggrieved over the five cops who were killed in Dallas; I feel horrible about that. But the police are a necessary evil and criminal justice reform is long overdue.

The "wide set nose" comment really did it for me. That cop specifically killed Philandro Castille because he was a black man. He all but admits that.

[marv2]

Chris Dorner was a rising star until he told his superiors about the misdeeds of two fellow LAPD offices. Rather than discipline then, the department treated him as persona non grata and began pushing out the door. His union rep let management abuse him without supporting him. When he lost his dream job, he snapped and killed the daughter of his union rep and her fiance in addition to another officer. It's a fascinating story.

I would expect a film to be made about his story.

[marv2]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/11/dallas-police-chief-to-protesters-become-a-part-of-the-solution-were-hiring/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

What do you think guys?

I think it is in incredibly poor taste that he would make that statement before they even bury those 5 dead cops.

[soulster]

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/11/dallas-police-chief-to-protesters-become-a-part-of-the-solution-were-hiring/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

What do you think guys?

I saw that on CNN an hour ago, but, he's right. Change comes best from the inside. Here's the catch: the police department has to hire the new Black academy graduates. You can have every available Black person complete the police academy, but they still may not get the jobs.

[soulster]

The "wide set nose" comment really did it for me. That cop specifically killed Philandro Castille because he was a black man. He all but admits that. Yup. He keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper. First, he changes his story, and then pretty much admits he racially profiled the victim.

[Jerry Oz]

The "wide set nose" comment really did it for me. That cop specifically killed Philandro Castille because he was a black man. He all but admits that.Yet, ABC News just played the audio and stopped short of the comment to support the cop's lawyer's contention that it was a legal stop. Had they played three seconds more, it totally reveals that the stop was based on race. They showed a photo of the guy who robbed somebody the day before and as suspected, there was little resemblance beyond the color of their skin.

[Jerry Oz]

I would expect a film to be made about his story.
And show him being railroaded by those heroic saints in blue?! I wish.

[marv2]

I saw that on CNN an hour ago, but, he's right. Change comes best from the inside. Here's the catch: the police department has to hire the new Black academy graduates. You can have every available Black person complete the police academy, but they still may not get the jobs.

I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but I am. Right at the tail end of the sixties and into the early seventies, police depts. and other governmental agencies had this push to hire minorities in order to "change the system from within". It's been more than 40 years and look at the situation today!

[marv2]

And show him being railroaded by those heroic saints in blue?! I wish.

That's exactly what they would do. They will make him look like a crazed, deranged demon that went bezserk for no apparent reason.

[Jerry Oz]

It any of you [[especially our English friends) want a first person perspective of the issue, please visit David Simon's web site. He was a police officer and journalist in Baltimore before writing and producing incredible television dramas like "The Wire", "Homicide: A Year On The Killing Streets", and "The Corner". He is brutally forthright and has seen things that would destroy most people's idea of the noble policeman. The commentaries on his site are incredible. Link below goes to his thoughts after the first cop was freed in the Freddy Gray trials.

http://davidsimon.com/aint-no-justice-its-just-us/

[theboyfromxtown]

Ivy Jo Hunter shared this video with me. See if you can see this.

https://www.facebook.com/micah.p.lord/videos/10209286125807920/

[theboyfromxtown]

The video is by Micah Pierce.

[robb_k]

I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but I am. Right at the tail end of the sixties and into the early seventies, police depts. and other governmental agencies had this push to hire minorities in order to "change the system from within". It's been more than 40 years and look at the situation today!
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But those added minority officers had to bend over backwards to look like they were doing their jobs "by the book", and not giving their fellow "hoodies" extra breaks and consideration, or they'd be laid off or fired after reprimands. So, it didn't help nearly as much as it should have.

[theboyfromxtown]

Mary Wilson speaks


http://www.iloveoldschoolmusic.com/ex-supreme-singer-mary-wilson-police-violence-blacks-knew-place/

[marv2]

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But those added minority officers had to bend over backwards to look like they were doing their jobs "by the book", and not giving their fellow "hoodies" extra breaks and consideration, or they'd be laid off or fired after reprimands. So, it didn't help nearly as much as it should have.

My best friend when I was growing up Dad was a cop. He was mean and did everything by the book. Other friend I grew up with Dad was a city detective, he was more relaxed in his dealings with people. Overall, it did not help as much,but put a public picture up that said.....we have changed!

[marv2]

Mary Wilson speaks


http://www.iloveoldschoolmusic.com/ex-supreme-singer-mary-wilson-police-violence-blacks-knew-place/

She's got it right. Way back when, blacks in America mostly accepted poor treatment because they felt helpless. Later on all that changed. She's lived long enough to see most of it.

[Jerry Oz]

My best friend when I was growing up Dad was a cop. He was mean and did everything by the book. Other friend I grew up with Dad was a city detective, he was more relaxed in his dealings with people. Overall, it did not help as much,but put a public picture up that said.....we have changed!

Black cops in Baltimore and LA see among the worst. Presumably because those with White partners can do the dirty work without being called racist. Others are simply on a power trip, making up for things their past that affected them significantly. Cops who live in other communities tend to treat the people the areas they patrol with disrespect.

[marv2]

Black cops in Baltimore and LA see among the worst. Presumably because those with White partners can do the dirty work without being called racist. Others are simply on a power trip, making up for things their past that affected them significantly. Cops who live in other communities tend to treat the people the areas they patrol with disrespect.

Here's something I have to say and to be honest and fair. The Suffolk County Long Island cops were the very best I ever had interaction with over a 20 year period! True, they are the highest paid in the nation, but those guys were all friendly, professional and most of all helpful to me whenever I had reason to interact with them. They changed flat tires at least 4 times in rush hour traffic and once late at night for me. They would never write me up for tail lights or expired registration,etc. They came running to my house one day after 9-11 when my landline got stuck and called 911 by mistake. They were there when some jerk stole the halogen headlights off of my car, etc,etc,etc. I always had great admiration for the Suffolk County Police force because they lived in the community. They knew about what life was like living on Long Island and they always treated me with respect.

They never approached me with their guns drawn or with the attitude that I'm black and must be up to something. After experiences with other police like the Chicago police that searched me, frisked me and went all through my car in front of a crowd of people because they said they believed I had a gun, I had a greater appreciation for Suffolk County cops overall.

[Jerry Oz]

I've been stopped by police a total of five times. Two were exceedingly professional, one was kind of snooty, another was a huge jerk [[the guy who stopped me for not having a front tag). The jerk, coincidentally, was the only Black one in the group. The last one stopped me making a rolling stop on my way to work about five years ago, the first time I was stopped since 1989. He was kind of funny, making sure I knew that Officer Fitzpatrick had the pleasure stopping me. I was as polite I can be at 5:30 am, kept my hands on the wheel, looked him in eyes, and called him "sir". He let me go with a warning.

I've also worked with cops who were very cool. When I call one a "pig", I'm specifically referring to those who overstep their authority or behave in an abusive manner. It does upset me that the bad cops are allowed to do bad things because the others do nothing to stop them.

[soulster]

I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but I am. I'm the same age as you. Remember?

[soulster]

Black cops in Baltimore and LA see among the worst. Presumably because those with White partners can do the dirty work without being called racist. Others are simply on a power trip, making up for things their past that affected them significantly. Cops who live in other communities tend to treat the people the areas they patrol with disrespect.

It reminds me of the scene in the film "Boyz In Da Hood" where the Black cop with the White partner acts more racist than his partner toward the Black citizens, showing de white man how good a neegro he iz!

[marv2]

I've been stopped by police a total of five times. Two were exceedingly professional, one was kind of snooty, another was a huge jerk [[the guy who stopped me for not having a front tag). The jerk, coincidentally, was the only Black one in the group. The last one stopped me making a rolling stop on my way to work about five years ago, the first time I was stopped since 1989. He was kind of funny, making sure I knew that Officer Fitzpatrick had the pleasure stopping me. I was as polite I can be at 5:30 am, kept my hands on the wheel, looked him in eyes, and called him "sir". He let me go with a warning.

I've also worked with cops who were very cool. When I call one a "pig", I'm specifically referring to those who overstep their authority or behave in an abusive manner. It does upset me that the bad cops are allowed to do bad things because the others do nothing to stop them.

A black cop stop me on I-475 in Toledo, OH in 2007.
I was rushing to the hospital where my Dad was in his final stages of life and this asshole pulls me over because I went above 10 mph of the posted speed limit1 He used a laser gun to track me. When I told him of my situation, he was like that's his problem and spent more 15 mins writing me a speeding ticket!

[soulster]

A black cop stop me on I-475 in Toledo, OH in 2007.
I was rushing to the hospital where my Dad was in his final stages of life and this asshole pulls me over because I went above 10 mph of the posted speed limit1 He used a laser gun to track me. When I told him of my situation, he was like that's his problem and spent more 15 mins writing me a speeding ticket!

Of course! They treat us like we're less than human, like animals. They don't care if one of us dies.

Although I know better, this is the kind of thing that makes me hate cops, and...well...let's just say that it's enough to make one hate a whole group of people when one experiences this attitude all the time.

[Jerry Oz]

Profiling is a bullshit tactic. A long time ago, my Dad and my uncle drunkenly tried to talk me into their belief that Black people shouldn't be trusted. "You're more likely to be killed by another Black man," my uncle told me on my way out the door. I told him that he was wrong, and here is what I laid out:

If you watch TV, you'll learn a ton of statistics about the troubling state of Black men. You'll hear that the rate for AIDS is higher for me because I'm Black. But I'm neither a drug user nor someone who engages in unprotected sex, so my chances are minimal.

They say I'm likely to father kids by multiple women. But I already told you why that wouldn't happen.

They say I'm more likely to do drugs, but I've never even smoked a joint, let alone done hard drugs.

They say I have a better chance of being alcoholic, but I learned from my Pops and my uncle why that's not cool and I've never been a drinker.

They say I'm more likely to be incarcerated, but if I've done good to keep my nose clean.

They suggest that I'm more likely to drop out, but I was already in college by then.

And they say that more likely to die at the hand of another Black man, but I don't associate with people who are likely to kill me. Most murder victims knew their assailants, so associations are the biggest variable for that and I keep an g&geye on my friends.

They didn't have answer, but they were a little drunker by then. If you look at it closely, 99% of the problems faced by Black people are behavioral. And those behaviors are influenced by socio-economic circumstances. Rather than address Black folks' standard of life, they paint me with the same brush as the worst of us. That's what makes me the angriest. "All cops aren't bad," people say but they give them a pass for assuming that all Black people are. What a lazy assed understanding of the world.

[marv2]

Profiling is a bullshit tactic. A long time ago, my Dad and my uncle drunkenly tried to talk me into their belief that Black people shouldn't be trusted. "You're more likely to be killed by another Black man," my uncle told me on my way out the door. I told him that he was wrong, and here is what I laid out:

If you watch TV, you'll learn a ton of statistics about the troubling state of Black men. You'll hear that the rate for AIDS is higher for me because I'm Black. But I'm neither a drug user nor someone who engages in unprotected sex, so my chances are minimal.

They say I'm likely to father kids by multiple women. But I already told you why that wouldn't happen.

They say I'm more likely to do drugs, but I've never even smoked a joint, let alone done hard drugs.

They say I have a better chance of being alcoholic, but I learned from my Pops and my uncle why that's not cool and I've never been a drinker.

They say I'm more likely to be incarcerated, but if I've done good to keep my nose clean.

They suggest that I'm more likely to drop out, but I was already in college by then.

And they say that more likely to die at the hand of another Black man, but I don't associate with people who are likely to kill me. Most murder victims knew their assailants, so associations are the biggest variable for that and I keep an g&geye on my friends.

They didn't have answer, but they were a little drunker by then. If you look at it closely, 99% of the problems faced by Black people are behavioral. And those behaviors are influenced by socio-economic circumstances. Rather than address Black folks' standard of life, they paint me with the same brush as the worst of us. That's what makes me the angriest. "All cops aren't bad," people say but they give them a pass for assuming that all Black people are. What a lazy assed understanding of the world.

5 Star post here!!!!

[144man]

The "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations and marches have spread to the UK. There have now been three in London.

[marv2]

I'm the same age as you. Remember?

That's right, I am sorry.

[marv2]

The "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations and marches have spread to the UK. There have now been three in London.

They are becoming prominent in Canada as well.

[Jerry Oz]

The "Black Lives Matter" demonstrations and marches have spread to the UK. There have now been three in London.
Here's the thing about "Black Lives Matter": The problem with devaluation of Black lives in the US [[and probably England) is the after effect of most being caught in the cycle of poverty. White and Brown people have the same issues when they are in or beyond the third generation of having to deal with substandard educational opportunities, high unemployment, and poor living accommodations. When we came north to cities like Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, and New York after World War 2, things were initially better than what we left behind in the south. But soon afterward, we began to be herded into housing projects and were kept in our "place" by overbearing police who had no problem knocking heads to make sure dark peoples didn't wander into light peoples' domain. That standard of policing was so common, it has become the standard for policing to this day. Anyone who believes that Black people are treated the same as White people by cops is naive. And anyone who believes that one man should be treated in a harsh manner because someone who looked like him caused a crime is a racist.

Here's the upshot: If you want to reduce racism and police overreaction, you have to increase the level at which we are included in society. As I pointed out before, it starts with education and housing. There is a significant amount of people, many of whom are politicians who recognize the fact that we need janitors, groundskeepers, and blue collar workers to grease the gears of industry and society. People who have college degrees won't likely do that work, so how better to ensure the workforce is available [[even when there's not enough work), than by keeping them from having better opportunities? Racism is systemic. The end result of generations of it is that one part of the spectrum claims and is intent on keeping the high ground while the other end is expressing increasing levels of rage.

[Jerry Oz]

For those who point to arrest rates of Black people as a valid justification for profiling, please view this video. It's a commentary of an audio tape of a police supervisor telling another cop in NYPD to only target "male Blacks" because they commit "all the crime in this city". The supervisor is pissed off that Officer Birch has only arrested two Black men. Doesn't it stand to reason that if you only target one group, that group will seem to be the one committing the most crime? The sad thing is that nothing will come of this beyond Officer Birch being forced into quitting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgzG7qZhj3A&feature=youtu.be&a

[marv2]

For those who point to arrest rates of Black people as a valid justification for profiling, please view this video. It's a commentary of an audio tape of a police supervisor telling another cop in NYPD to only target "male Blacks" because they commit "all the crime in this city". The supervisor is pissed off that Officer Birch has only arrested two Black men. Doesn't it stand to reason that if you only target one group, that group will seem to be the one committing the most crime? The sad thing is that nothing will come of this beyond Officer Birch being forced into quitting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgzG7qZhj3A&feature=youtu.be&a

This video is the truth! It tells you what black men have been saying for decades! Thank you Jerry.

[Jerry Oz]

Finally! DL Hughley says it for me/us. Goes into the devil's lair fully prepared and unapologetically shoots those treacherous snakes. He's supposed to be on again tomorrow but I'll bet they cancel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZJ7QSI7uV0

[marv2]

Finally! DL Hughley says it for me/us. Goes into the devil's lair fully prepared and unapologetically shoots those treacherous snakes. He's supposed to be on again tomorrow but I'll bet they cancel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZJ7QSI7uV0

She was incredibly rude! I cannot believe what I just saw. "Don't wow me....."? come on!

[Jerry Oz]

Yeah. It tells a lot about Faux News that they pay a man like Fuhrman to spew his racism. He is a proven liar who broke the law while trying to prove Simpson guilty. I wonder how many people were sent to prison on his word. SMH. And just today, I read where there have been over 1,300 complaints filed with LA's police review board and they sided with the cops every single time.

[marv2]

Funeral services were held today in Minnesota but the national media has all but completely ignore it. There has been no real coverage nationally.

[Roberta75]

Funeral services were held today in Minnesota but the national media has all but completely ignore it. There has been no real coverage nationally.

The funeral was covered by CBS and aBC and CNN and NBC and hundreds of news outlets online. The reason its not on the evening cable shows is because 70 plus people were murdered by a truck driver in France.

[Roberta75]

Yeah. It tells a lot about Faux News that they pay a man like Fuhrman to spew his racism. He is a proven liar who broke the law while trying to prove Simpson guilty. I wonder how many people were sent to prison on his word. SMH. And just today, I read where there have been over 1,300 complaints filed with LA's police review board and they sided with the cops every single time.

I refuse to watch Fox News there disgusting and 150% bigoted.

Roberta

[marv2]

The funeral was covered by CBS and aBC and CNN and NBC and hundreds of news outlets online. The reason its not on the evening cable shows is because 70 plus people were murdered by a truck driver in France.

How many seconds of it? No, it was not covered!

[marv2]

Police shoot and kill fleeing man

This country is very messed up! Cops killed this man like they just killed a bug:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekmOS6NlLI

[Roberta75]

How many seconds of it? No, it was not covered!

Google it and read and look yourself if you want to know. Im not doing it for you.

[Jerry Oz]

Police shoot and kill fleeing man

This country is very messed up! Cops killed this man like they just killed a bug:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GekmOS6NlLI

This was murder, pure and simple. Did you see where North Carolina passed a bill that removes body cam and dash cam footage from public records requests? It now takes a judge to approve release of the footage which effectively means that only the cops will see it. Shameful.

I didn't watch the president's town hall meeting. People talk a lot, but nobody is listening and I'm frustrated with the lack of empathy and concern.

[marv2]

This was murder, pure and simple. Did you see where North Carolina passed a bill that removes body cam and dash cam footage from public records requests? It now takes a judge to approve release of the footage which effectively means that only the cops will see it. Shameful.

I didn't watch the president's town hall meeting. People talk a lot, but nobody is listening and I'm frustrated with the lack of empathy and concern.


I didn't watch it, his town hall meeting but I heard they dissed Eric Garner's daughter and she went off!!!!

Oh yes the situation in the above video was pure murder. They man was no threat to police, he was unarmed and far enough away from them. They shot him and shot him down like a dog until he was dead!

North Carolina is doing what Mayor Ron Emmanuel of Chicago has done already without a law!