Take this heart of mine

[soulwally]

Hadn't seen this clip before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMLP8vIqJNY

[BigAl]

Lip-sync...arrrrghhh!
I saw the title, and it's one of my favorites, and saw "Sullivan Show" and figured at least the vocal would be live.
Might as well be a clip from American Bandstand.

[jboy88]

I always wondered why Marvin only made one appearance on the show. You'd think with the strong ties Motown had with the Sullivan show, he'd be invited back a few times. Especially with Tammi Terrell. Did he do like Bo Diddly and Jim Morrison and piss off Ed or the producers? Or was he not fond of the experience and turn down future invites

[Jimi LaLumia]

Marvin became truly famous and respected just as the Sullivan show was signing off the air.. I always loved him, but "Grapevine' is what put him on the masses radar big time at the end of the 60's, the previous hits were bigger on the r&b chart than on the pop chart which is what the Sullivan people looked at for their huge national audience

[arr&bee]

I hadn't seen this one before,always good to see marvin.

[marv2]

Marvin became truly famous and respected just as the Sullivan show was signing off the air.. I always loved him, but "Grapevine' is what put him on the masses radar big time at the end of the 60's, the previous hits were bigger on the r&b chart than on the pop chart which is what the Sullivan people looked at for their huge national audience

No, it had to be something other than that. By the time of this appearance, Marvin Gaye had enjoyed 12 Top 40 Pop Hits. He had also been seen nationally many times prior to this to do this appearances in the "T.A.M.I Show", multiple appearances on" American Bandstand", "Where the Action Is", "The Lloyd Thaxton Show", "Shindig", "Hullabaloo" and on and on. He was almost as well known as Ed Sullivan himself by this time. Certainly as well known as the majority of Ed's other guests.

He appeared on other popular, nationally broadcast programs like The Hollywood Palace, so it could not have been that he was not large enough. I totally disagree about "Grapevine" being the number that put him on the masses radar big time. No, that was just his biggest 60s hit. Marvin had been hitting for a full 6 years and almost 7 years before "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" was released. He had enough hits to warrant Motown releasing not 1, but 2 Greatest Hits Volumes on him by 1967! "Pride and Joy", for example was a Top 10 Hit in 1963. Marvin Gaye was VERY well known by 1966.

[Bluebrock]

No, it had to be something other than that. By the time of this appearance, Marvin Gaye had enjoyed 12 Top 40 Pop Hits. He had also been seen nationally many times prior to this to do this appearances in the "T.A.M.I Show", multiple appearances on" American Bandstand", "Where the Action Is", "The Lloyd Thaxton Show", "Shindig", "Hullabaloo" and on and on. He was almost as well known as Ed Sullivan himself by this time. Certainly as well known as the majority of Ed's other guests.

He appeared on other popular, nationally broadcast programs like The Hollywood Palace, so it could not have been that he was not large enough. I totally disagree about "Grapevine" being the number that put him on the masses radar big time. No, that was just his biggest 60s hit. Marvin had been hitting for a full 6 years and almost 7 years before "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" was released. He had enough hits to warrant Motown releasing not 1, but 2 Greatest Hits Volumes on him by 1967! "Pride and Joy", for example was a Top 10 Hit in 1963. Marvin Gaye was VERY well known by 1966.

I seem to recall reading something about this. Didn't Marvin have some disagreement with the producers of the Sullivan show? It seemed that your face either fitted or did not fit with regard to this show. The Byrds, Bob Dylan, Buddy Holly, The Doors are just a few of the acts who for whatever reason had runs ins with Ed and his producers.

[Jimi LaLumia]

just not Ed Sullivan-type prime time audience known.. not Beatles/ Supremes/ Stones/ Sly & The Family Stone/ Mamas & The Papas type known.. these were all #1 pop record acts, Marvin was not.. and Sullivan was about the very Top of the charts acts which is why Martha, Stevie etc were not exactly regulars there either.. Jackson 5 were, pecause of those pop #1's reaching the teen/Beatles' type market

[marv2]

I seem to recall reading something about this. Didn't Marvin have some disagreement with the producers of the Sullivan show? It seemed that your face either fitted or did not fit with regard to this show. The Byrds, Bob Dylan, Buddy Holly, The Doors are just a few of the acts who for whatever reason had runs ins with Ed and his producers.

Aretha Franklin never appeared on the show.

[marv2]

just not Ed Sullivan-type prime time audience known.. not Beatles/ Supremes/ Stones/ Sly & The Family Stone/ Mamas & The Papas type known.. these were all #1 pop record acts, Marvin was not.. and Sullivan was about the very Top of the charts acts which is why Martha, Stevie etc were not exactly regulars there either.. Jackson 5 were, pecause of those pop #1's reaching the teen/Beatles' type market

Then why would they have Marvin on singing a song that wasn't even one of his top hits? I understood why Martha & the Vandellas went on with "Dancing in the Streets", but "Take this Heart of Mine"?.......NO! I am assuming you mean, middle aged or older white people may not have known who Marvin Gaye was at that point because certainly most young people did! It's like the reverse of what Madison Ave always claims to be targeting and that is the younger generation. The "younger" generation in 1966 was the Baby Boomers and they knew who Marvin was because they had been buying his records for 7 years by this time. The 12 Top 40 Pops Hits were not accidental.

My family was Ed Sullivan's prime time audience.

[Jimi LaLumia]

you have to do the homework https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqtP_0lCAQ

[Jimi LaLumia]

The Four Tops did get to make a few appearances..Gordy used Supremes leverage, its been said, to get Marvin and Martha, etc to make AN appearance since DMF were a ratings magnet and a bargaining tool..

[marv2]

The Four Tops did get to make a few appearances..Gordy used Supremes leverage, its been said, to get Marvin and Martha, etc to make AN appearance since DMF were a ratings magnet and a bargaining tool..

Yeah, I agree with that, but I know it had nothing to do with Marvin's popularity or name recognition. Ed Sullivan had been on television since "Toast of the Town" in 1948. He was extremely old school. Banned the Rolling Stones for singing "Let's Spend the Night Together" so I heard, didn't want to show Elvis gyrating, etc,etc. The Supremes were 3 nice harmonizing girls so they were fine to be on the show whereas the Shangri-las or perhaps the Ronettes were not.

[Jimi LaLumia]

it helped if you agreed to sing Toot Toot Tootsie with Ethel Merman or whatever.. acceptable for old white people who were the bulk of the Sullivan audience

[arr&bee]

It was the times we lived in,remember no[soul train]although we had [band stand].

[midnight johnny]

it helped if you agreed to sing Toot Toot Tootsie with Ethel Merman or whatever.. acceptable for old white people who were the bulk of the Sullivan audience

I don't quite agree that OLD white folks were the bulk of viewers. In fact, for a good many years starting from the early 60s there was always at least one teen magnet per show to bring in the younger viewers. And this is just a hugely tiny list...
• “Along Comes Mary” – The Association [[http://www.theassociationwebsite.com/)
• “My World Is Empty Without You” – The Supremes [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-supremes)
• “Paint It Black” – The Rolling Stones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-rolling-stones)
• “Baby I Need Your Lovin’” - Johnny Rivers [[http://www.johnnyrivers.com/)
• “Never My Love” – The Association [[http://www.theassociationwebsite.com/)
• “Ruby Tuesday” – The Rolling Stones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-rolling-stones)
• “Creeque Alley” – The Mamas & The Papas [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/mamas-papas)
• “I Want to Hold Your Hand” – The Beatles [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beatles)
• “Just A Little Bit Better” – Herman’s Hermits [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/hermans-hermits)
• “It’s Not Unusual” – Tom Jones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/tom-jones)
• “Shake” – The Animals [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-animals)
• “Ferry ’Cross the Mersey” – Gerry & The Pacemakers [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/gerry-and-the-pacemakers)
• “To Sir With Love” – Lulu [[http://www.luluofficial.com/)
• “She Loves You” – The Beatles [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beatles)
• “Turn, Turn, Turn” – The Byrds [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-byrds)
• “She’d Rather Be With Me” – The Turtles [[http://www.theturtles.com/)
• “Grazing in the Grass” – Friends of Distinction [[http://youtu.be/_G984cNO3RM)
• “I Get Around” – The Beach Boys [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beach-boys)
• “Proud Mary” – Creedence Clearwater Revival [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/creedence-clearwater-revival)
• “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In” – The 5th Dimension [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-5th-dimension)

[Jimi LaLumia]

one act to keep the kids from changing the channel, many of us middle class kids had a house with only one tv in it in the 60;s and they provided a token hit group, mostly white as per Johnny's list, the artists of color that did appear were extremely 'safe' acts..

[arr&bee]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA...HEY JIMI,IN MY HOUSE WE ALSO HAD ONE TV,AND IF ANY OF US KIDS TRIED TO CHANGE THE STATION WE MIGHT HAVE PULLED BACK A NUB...[the old folks didn't play that].

[marv2]

it helped if you agreed to sing Toot Toot Tootsie with Ethel Merman or whatever.. acceptable for old white people who were the bulk of the Sullivan audience

Yeah bullshit like that. But the sixties was a time for change socially, as well as musically.

[marv2]

I don't quite agree that OLD white folks were the bulk of viewers. In fact, for a good many years starting from the early 60s there was always at least one teen magnet per show to bring in the younger viewers. And this is just a hugely tiny list...
• “Along Comes Mary” – The Association [[http://www.theassociationwebsite.com/)
• “My World Is Empty Without You” – The Supremes [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-supremes)
• “Paint It Black” – The Rolling Stones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-rolling-stones)
• “Baby I Need Your Lovin’” - Johnny Rivers [[http://www.johnnyrivers.com/)
• “Never My Love” – The Association [[http://www.theassociationwebsite.com/)
• “Ruby Tuesday” – The Rolling Stones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-rolling-stones)
• “Creeque Alley” – The Mamas & The Papas [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/mamas-papas)
• “I Want to Hold Your Hand” – The Beatles [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beatles)
• “Just A Little Bit Better” – Herman’s Hermits [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/hermans-hermits)
• “It’s Not Unusual” – Tom Jones [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/tom-jones)
• “Shake” – The Animals [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-animals)
• “Ferry ’Cross the Mersey” – Gerry & The Pacemakers [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/gerry-and-the-pacemakers)
• “To Sir With Love” – Lulu [[http://www.luluofficial.com/)
• “She Loves You” – The Beatles [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beatles)
• “Turn, Turn, Turn” – The Byrds [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-byrds)
• “She’d Rather Be With Me” – The Turtles [[http://www.theturtles.com/)
• “Grazing in the Grass” – Friends of Distinction [[http://youtu.be/_G984cNO3RM)
• “I Get Around” – The Beach Boys [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-beach-boys)
• “Proud Mary” – Creedence Clearwater Revival [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/creedence-clearwater-revival)
• “Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In” – The 5th Dimension [[http://www.edsullivan.com/artists/the-5th-dimension)

I agree and probably saw each one of those performances when the originally aired.

[marv2]

one act to keep the kids from changing the channel, many of us middle class kids had a house with only one tv in it in the 60;s and they provided a token hit group, mostly white as per Johnny's list, the artists of color that did appear were extremely 'safe' acts..


We were just as middle class, except we were black and whenever a black performer appeared, people started calling around to make sure you didn't miss it!

[marv2]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA...HEY JIMI,IN MY HOUSE WE ALSO HAD ONE TV,AND IF ANY OF US KIDS TRIED TO CHANGE THE STATION WE MIGHT HAVE PULLED BACK A NUB...[the old folks didn't play that].

JAI, in our house the kids were the "TV changers" meaning that my father would command that we change channel for him if he were watching. Sundays meant Disney, then The Ed Sullivan Show and finally Bonanza [[which was my Dad's top show! LOL!). I would roll over across the floor and manually turn the dial to the one of three channels we got back in those days! LOL!

[marv2]

It was the times we lived in,remember no[soul train]although we had [band stand].


For us in the Detroit Metro Area, we had a teen dance show on WXYZ and of course "Swingin' Time" out of Windsor.

[Jimi LaLumia]

the good old days.. I will say that my old school Italian parents were eventually swayed by those Supremes/Sullivan performances where as the more ' R&B" acts would get a very different reaction.. the girls were the 'Trojan Horse" used to slip in past the gates and serve as the initial catalyst for the pop culture component of social change.. baby steps led to grown up steps, didn't happen over night

[marv2]

the good old days.. I will say that my old school Italian parents were eventually swayed by those Supremes/Sullivan performances where as the more ' R&B" acts would get a very different reaction.. the girls were the 'Trojan Horse" used to slip in past the gates and serve as the initial catalyst for the pop culture component of social change.. baby steps led to grown up steps, didn't happen over night

Jimi, the Supremes and all of Motown were a movement just as much as they were about music! A lot of it was calculated.