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jobeterob
10-23-2015, 07:54 PM
The American Media is full of these stories today. It's like President Obama 8 years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/23/the-daily-202-eight-reasons-why-hillary-clinton-won-the-benghazi-hearing/?tid=trending_strip_6

In Canada, President Obama would be easily re-electable again; in the USA he hasn't been very popular the last few years.

Why is that?

MotownSteve
10-23-2015, 08:47 PM
The republicans are great at making noise and generating a lot of news coverage.

edafan
10-23-2015, 09:13 PM
and who is the vice president ?

Jerry Lewis

marv2
10-23-2015, 09:17 PM
and who is the vice president ?

Jerry Lewis


You need to stop! LOL! Please don't do that, I am drinking a beer right now LOL!

Jerry Oz
10-23-2015, 10:39 PM
The GOP is great at making any of the president's successes look like failures. They know that 30% of the electorate wants to believe that he's out to destroy America. Consider:
Health care for millions was a pipe dream until ACA. The costs of paying for their hospital visits was raising the cost for the rest of us. The Republicans convinced their constituents that regardless of merit, it was a socialist concept and millions who have no idea if what a socialist is went nuts against their own best interests.

The economy has rebounded in spite of their best efforts to obstruct so they could use its state as a campaign issue. They complained that it took too long to turn around, taking no ownership of the fact that they enjoyed a super majority when it collapsed.

They made the price of gas a huge issue in 2012 but somehow keep his policies from being considered for the low prices we currently enjoy.

They say he is a Muslim as if that is a bad thing. However, contrary to any of his opponents, his church of record has been known for years.

They blame him for the rise of ISIL, which wouldn't even exist without the short sight policies of the previous president.

They suggest he is trying to take guns out of the hands of Americans. He's not a stupid man. He's not going to initiate a civil war, especially when half the people charged with the effort at likely hardcore gun nuts themselves. That ship sailed long ago.

They made the biggest issue with Benghazi one of semantics. He gets no credit for pulling troops from the Middle East, yet blame him when a serviceman dies in combat.

He has a huge list of accomplishments but many of the people he helped the most hate his guts. I'm convinced that they still object to a Black man occupying the office. The irony is that Dr. Carson is leading the polls in several states. Why is that? He has specifically gone out of his way to make sure Republicans know that he is willing to undo most of what the president accomplished. He's a "safe" Black man who is willing to pander to their fears and make sure the shrinking majority will always control the growing minority of citizens.

It's okay, though. In 20 years, Obama will be considered one of the greatest presidents in the past 100 years.

nysister
10-23-2015, 11:31 PM
The GOP is great at making any of the president's successes look like failures. They know that 30% of the electorate wants to believe that he's out to destroy America. Consider:
Health care for millions was a pipe dream until ACA. The costs of paying for their hospital visits was raising the cost for the rest of us. The Republicans convinced their constituents that regardless of merit, it was a socialist concept and millions who have no idea if what a socialist is went nuts against their own best interests.

The economy has rebounded in spite of their best efforts to obstruct so they could use its state as a campaign issue. They complained that it took too long to turn around, taking no ownership of the fact that they enjoyed a super majority when it collapsed.

They made the price of gas a huge issue in 2012 but somehow keep his policies from being considered for the low prices we currently enjoy.

They say he is a Muslim as if that is a bad thing. However, contrary to any of his opponents, his church of record has been known for years.

They blame him for the rise of ISIL, which wouldn't even exist without the short sight policies of the previous president.

They suggest he is trying to take guns out of the hands of Americans. He's not a stupid man. He's not going to initiate a civil war, especially when half the people charged with the effort at likely hardcore gun nuts themselves. That ship sailed long ago.

They made the biggest issue with Benghazi one of semantics. He gets no credit for pulling troops from the Middle East, yet blame him when a serviceman dies in combat.

He has a huge list of accomplishments but many of the people he helped the most hate his guts. I'm convinced that they still object to a Black man occupying the office. The irony is that Dr. Carson is leading the polls in several states. Why is that? He has specifically gone out of his way to make sure Republicans know that he is willing to undo most of what the president accomplished. He's a "safe" Black man who is willing to pander to their fears and make sure the shrinking majority will always control the growing minority of citizens.

It's okay, though. In 20 years, Obama will be considered one of the greatest presidents in the past 100 years.

Amen to that!

marv2
10-23-2015, 11:32 PM
The biggest mistake that Obama made was spending too much time in his first year and half trying to court the Republicans to work with him on a bi-partisan basis. He did not know that they had plotted against him making any progress as early as the night of his Inauguration. The Democrats had the majority in the House and Senate. He could have done whatever he wanted without Republican support. He underestimate their extreme hatred of him.

jobeterob
10-24-2015, 12:03 AM
Probably there are 30% of the population that is conservative and would always be against him. It is similar in Canada but our conservatives aren't total nut jobs and a lot of yours are. And we would never allow the rampant gun ownership that is encouraged in the USA. I hope that somehow before President Obama leaves office he can do something to reduce some arms being so widespread.

soulster
10-24-2015, 01:42 AM
The American Media is full of these stories today. It's like President Obama 8 years ago.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2015/10/23/the-daily-202-eight-reasons-why-hillary-clinton-won-the-benghazi-hearing/?tid=trending_strip_6

In Canada, President Obama would be easily re-electable again; in the USA he hasn't been very popular the last few years.

Why is that?

His approval rating just went back up to 50%, which is respectable. He has maintained a higher approval rating than during most of George W. Bush's presidency. So, I don't know where you're getting your news from unless it's from conservatives who never, ever liked him.

soulster
10-24-2015, 01:50 AM
The republicans are great at making noise and generating a lot of news coverage.
And the kicker is that Clinton's fund raising spiked because of the hearings. Most people, except for the delusional conservatives know that the whole Benghazi thing was absolutely nothing but a way to prevent Clinton from gaining ground. They know they don't have anyone strong enough [[or smart enough) to actually beat her without their usual dirty tricks.

I think Bernie Sanders hurt himself in the last debate coming off like an angry old man. That puts people off bigtime. He only smiled once. And, he sides with the gun lobby, which really damaged his credibility. And, he didn't convince Black voters. He looked like he was only paying lip service to the Black Lives Matter movement.

I wish Joe Biden had run because he really is the best suited for the job, and he could wipe the floor with everyone concerning foreign policy and domestic policy.

Looks like my best choice is going to be Hilary Clinton.

soulster
10-24-2015, 01:58 AM
The GOP is great at making any of the president's successes look like failures. They know that 30% of the electorate wants to believe that he's out to destroy America. Consider:
Health care for millions was a pipe dream until ACA. The costs of paying for their hospital visits was raising the cost for the rest of us. The Republicans convinced their constituents that regardless of merit, it was a socialist concept and millions who have no idea if what a socialist is went nuts against their own best interests.

The economy has rebounded in spite of their best efforts to obstruct so they could use its state as a campaign issue. They complained that it took too long to turn around, taking no ownership of the fact that they enjoyed a super majority when it collapsed.

They made the price of gas a huge issue in 2012 but somehow keep his policies from being considered for the low prices we currently enjoy.

They say he is a Muslim as if that is a bad thing. However, contrary to any of his opponents, his church of record has been known for years.

They blame him for the rise of ISIL, which wouldn't even exist without the short sight policies of the previous president.

They suggest he is trying to take guns out of the hands of Americans. He's not a stupid man. He's not going to initiate a civil war, especially when half the people charged with the effort at likely hardcore gun nuts themselves. That ship sailed long ago.

They made the biggest issue with Benghazi one of semantics. He gets no credit for pulling troops from the Middle East, yet blame him when a serviceman dies in combat.

He has a huge list of accomplishments but many of the people he helped the most hate his guts. I'm convinced that they still object to a Black man occupying the office. The irony is that Dr. Carson is leading the polls in several states. Why is that? He has specifically gone out of his way to make sure Republicans know that he is willing to undo most of what the president accomplished. He's a "safe" Black man who is willing to pander to their fears and make sure the shrinking majority will always control the growing minority of citizens.

It's okay, though. In 20 years, Obama will be considered one of the greatest presidents in the past 100 years.
Speak on it, brother! The conservatives, with the help of Fox news, have created a strange alternate universe where the nation thrived and enjoyed its greatest years under George W. Bush [[after Ronald Reagan), where babies were fed, the poor had houses, and everyone could afford medical or law school, and somehow that was unraveled because of President Obama. They enter a weird psychosis whenever you remind them of Bushie Jr. It's bizarre. And, though they refuse to see it, it is fueled by racism.

Ben Carson? You nailed it! Like the "9-9-9" guy before him, he allows the racists to look like they aren't racist. He makes them feel good.

soulster
10-24-2015, 02:04 AM
The biggest mistake that Obama made was spending too much time in his first year and half trying to court the Republicans to work with him on a bi-partisan basis. He did not know that they had plotted against him making any progress as early as the night of his Inauguration. The Democrats had the majority in the House and Senate. He could have done whatever he wanted without Republican support. He underestimate their extreme hatred of him.

Yes, that was his biggest downfall, but he knew what they were doing, I just don't thing he understood just how tenacious they would be. And, honestly, his own party didn't help matters much, either. Right from the beginning, Harry Reid said that he wasn't necessarily going to help him. Both he and Nancy Pelosi were more concerned about their re-election, as a lot of the "blue" dogs.

soulster
10-24-2015, 02:06 AM
Probably there are 30% of the population that is conservative and would always be against him. It is similar in Canada but our conservatives aren't total nut jobs and a lot of yours are. And we would never allow the rampant gun ownership that is encouraged in the USA. I hope that somehow before President Obama leaves office he can do something to reduce some arms being so widespread.

States have a secret weapon: regulate ammunition. They can't do a whole lot about guns, but if you don't have ammunition, you can't use the guns, right?

Jerry Oz
10-24-2015, 03:55 AM
We really need Trump and Carson to stay high in the polls for as long as possible. Even independents are turned off by them. Their hateful rhetoric has already painted the GOP as the party of intolerance and we need them to double down as the primaries approach. The worse case as I see it would be for Rubio to get the most and split the Hispanic vote. He also is in the Koch brothers' pocket, so he will further whichever agenda they demand.

The Republicans didn't appreciate the fact that the Democratic debate focused more on issues than sound bites and that should tell you what you need to know about their platform. They are going to go crazy next year trying to suppress the vote.

marv2
10-24-2015, 05:18 AM
We really need Trump and Carson to stay high in the polls for as long as possible. Even independents are turned off by them. Their hateful rhetoric has already painted the GOP as the party of intolerance and we need them to double down as the primaries approach. The worse case as I see it would be for Rubio to get the most and split the Hispanic vote. He also is in the Koch brothers' pocket, so he will further whichever agenda they demand.

The Republicans didn't appreciate the fact that the Democratic debate focused more on issues than sound bites and that should tell you what you need to know about their platform. They are going to go crazy next year trying to suppress the vote.

For suppressing the vote, they will require that you were born of parents that had a total 4 heads and one had to be a canine.

soulster
10-24-2015, 12:00 PM
Rubio is still an extreme right-winger who has spewed enough ignorant rhetoric. They all have, and the Democrats have been taking notes.

Jerry Oz
10-24-2015, 01:06 PM
Did anybody hear about what Alabama's legislature did? I read where they passed a voter ID law and then closed DMV offices in 15+ mostly Black counties. And the Supreme Court ruled there's no need for continuance of the Voters Rights Act. Looks like Jim Crow came back while you were sleeping, America.

soulster
10-24-2015, 09:12 PM
Did anybody hear about what Alabama's legislature did? I read where they passed a voter ID law and then closed DMV offices in 15+ mostly Black counties. And the Supreme Court ruled there's no need for continuance of the Voters Rights Act. Looks like Jim Crow came back while you were sleeping, America.

Nope. This has been news for the last few years, and it's been getting a lot of attention, but no one does much about it unless the media turns on the light. And, as far as Alabama is concerned, when Hilary Clinton gave a speech a few nights ago, the governor decided not to close the voting branches, but just keep them open like one day a week. The republiKKKans do that because they know that they can't win if Democrats, Blacks, seniors, and college students come out and vote. That is a statistical fact.

Roberta75
10-24-2015, 09:48 PM
Hillary Clinton sat at that Bengazi witch hunt for 11 hours and kept her dignity and composurre and her cool while those Republican men made total fools of themselves and wasted millions of taxpayer money. Hillary looked real presidential to me and Im praying she will be the next president of these here United States. Hillary has my full support and my vote.

Roberta

splanky
10-25-2015, 05:26 AM
Good for Hillary that she survived this attack by a party loaded with a ton of nut-jobs.
She has had over the years a lot of great ideas I admit but I think a lot of people are behind
her running for president based on the simple fact that she is a woman and I do believe it's
long overdue that a woman sits in the White House. That said, I still do not trust Hillary Clinton.
Never have. Never will. Just my opinion. If she wins I know I'll just have to live with it but hey, I've lived through Bushes, Rayguns and Nixons...O well...

soulster
10-25-2015, 09:33 AM
Good for Hillary that she survived this attack by a party loaded with a ton of nut-jobs.
She has had over the years a lot of great ideas I admit but I think a lot of people are behind
her running for president based on the simple fact that she is a woman and I do believe it's
long overdue that a woman sits in the White House. That said, I still do not trust Hillary Clinton.
Never have. Never will. Just my opinion. If she wins I know I'll just have to live with it but hey, I've lived through Bushes, Rayguns and Nixons...O well...

I hear ya! Hher supporters look at me cockeyed [[of which there are very, very few around here)when I say I don't trust her.

Jerry Oz
10-25-2015, 10:50 PM
I didn't trust any pol. I actually think that O'Malley has the best ideas but I don't trust him after what he did in Baltimore.

I get that you may not trust Hillary. But ask yourself if you'd rather have to trust Trump, Carson, Jeb!, Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, et.al? The scariest thing about the GOP's rogues gallery is that not one of them seems to have the potential to lead the country to anything other than ruin.

Roberta75
10-25-2015, 11:40 PM
I get that you may not trust Hillary. But ask yourself if you'd rather have to trust Trump, Carson, Jeb!, Cruz, Rubio, Fiorina, et.al? The scariest thing about the GOP's rogues gallery is that not one of them seems to have the potential to lead the country to anything other than ruin.

isnt that the truth. The GOP scares me a lot.

Roberta