LOVE AND AFFECTION - More Motown Girls from Ace

[keith_hughes]

Pleased to be able to bring you news of the next Ace/Motown CD, due for release at the end of October. Cover pic is still "in development", I'll post as soon as it's finalised. Meantime - here's the track list:

1. Reassure Me That You Love Me - Brenda Holloway
2. Any Girl In Love [[Knows What I’m Going Through) - Gladys Knight The Pips
3. My Love Is Your Love [[Forever) - Barbara Randolph
4. This Is The Love [[I’ve Been Waiting For) - Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
5. I Can’t Make It Without You - Debbie Dean
6. Midnight Johnny [[Early Version) - Liz Lands
7. Many Good Times - The Lewis Sisters
8. Just Go On Sleeping - LaBrenda Ben *
9. Lonely Teardrops - Brenda Holloway *
10. Now That Love Is Gone - Hattie Littles *
11. Fugitive - LaBrenda Ben *
12. Envious [[Fast Version) - Linda Griner
13. Mr Pride And Mr Gloom - Connie Haines
14. Momma Tried To Warn Me - Oma Heard
15. Check Yourself - Chris Clark
16. Come Back Half Way - Barbara McNair
17. Mother Tell Me What To Do - Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
18. Girls Need Love And Affection - The Marvelettes
19. Give Back The Good Things - Rita Wright
20. Go For Yourself - The Lollipops
21. The Good Times Are Gone - Barbara McNair
22. The Things Time Can’t Erase - Gladys Knight & The Pips
23. Close My Crying Eyes - Yvonne Fair
24. Forgotten - Chris Clark
25. Lover Man [[Oh Where Can You Be) - Kim Weston *

All previously unreleased, except for the ones marked *, which appeared on the "Motown Unreleased" digital download series as MP3s.

[carole cucumber]

Fantastic!!!!
But I thought that it had been stated in the Hip-O-Select box sets, that there were no more Marvelettes tracks in the vaults. And the same with Barbara Randolph with her U.K. collection. I'm not complaining- just glad that the vaults are deeper & deeper than researchers thought they were!

[roger]

Looks great Keith, and I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a copy :)

Roger

[carole cucumber]

If memory serves me right, Martha Reeves has stated in some interviews that she really liked "Mother Tell Me What To Do" and had hoped that it would see release one day. I'm sure that you're making Martha a very happy and proud woman, Mr. Hughes!!

[carole cucumber]

Since the cd title is derived from the Marvelettes song, can we expect that they will be featured on the cover?

[carole cucumber]

Finally, the Gladys Knight & the Pips 'Lost & Found' title song "The Things Time Can't Erase". There is going to be one ecstatic boyfromxtown!!
The only thing that might have made him happier would be the inclusion of an alternate version of a Velvelettes recording.

[carole cucumber]

Mary Wilson list both "Mother Tell Me What To Do" and "Give Back The Good Things" in her itinerary in 'Dreamgirl'.
As there is an actual Rita Wright recording of the latter, might there also be a Diana Ross & the Supremes/Andantes version in the vaults ?
Will the "Love and Affection" annotations show if the Supremes were supposed to record the former? And was it before or after Martha did?

[Philles/Motown Gary]

Wow! Great news, Keith! Any time the words "Motown" and "next CD release" are used in the same sentence, it's a real reason to rejoice! Thanks!

[mike_sku]

This is exciting news! I've been revisiting my "Cellarful of Motown" CDs this past week, wondering if there could be the possibility of a Volume 5 someday. Okay, so it's not a double, there are no Supremes cuts, but this will do fine! I can't wait! And if there's a Motown Girls CD, there's the hope of a Motown Guys CD somewhere in the pipeline!

[Roger Polhill]

I`m fizzing at the bung!

[bradsupremes]

I'm definitely getting this set!

Yes, both "Mother Tell Me What To Do," an HDH song was cut for the Supremes, but reassigned to the Vandellas. "Give Back The Good Things" was another track cut for the Supremes. It's possible Rita's vocal was intended for Diana to learn.

[mowsville]

Great news...theres nothing like having a new release from ACE/KENT in the pipeline..cant wait for this one.

[lakedistrictlad1]

Wow! Great news, Keith! Any time the words "Motown" and "next CD release" are used in the same sentence, it's a real reason to rejoice! Thanks!

Seconded! Can't wait for this release. Thanks team ACE.

[mysterysinger]

Fabulous news. Thanks Keith and Co.

[Bluebrock]

Oh I do love these Ace cd's. They make me proud to be British. I can count on perhaps 2 fingers the number of their releases that have disappointed me and I own well over 100.
Thanks for posting dear friends.

[keith_hughes]

Ms Cucumber,

re the Marvelettes and Barbara Randolph, you know the rule: never say never when it comes to what's left in the Motown Vaults!

and as for the cover, the title of Motown Girls 1 was a Marvelettes track, yet we showed a Velvelettes' pic ... I'm afraid the Marvs may have missed out on the Vol 2 cover shot too.

Mr Hughes

ps to everyone else, thanks for your kind comments. Keith.

[RossHolloway]

This is great news to wake up to.

[144man]

Amazing to get so many previously unreleased tracks on one CD. Absolutely wonderful. How can I wait till release date? I know I won't be able to resist listening to the samples when they go up on the Ace site.

[144man]

I'm definitely getting this set!

Yes, both "Mother Tell Me What To Do," an HDH song was cut for the Supremes, but reassigned to the Vandellas. "Give Back The Good Things" was another track cut for the Supremes. It's possible Rita's vocal was intended for Diana to learn.

The 10th Edition of DFTMC gives the composer of "Mother Tell Me What To Do" as Ivy Jo Hunter.

[danman869]

This is great news! I always love getting new Motown product from Ace! THANK YOU, Keith! Keep us posted as a release date approaches. :D

[keith_hughes]

Mary Wilson list both "Mother Tell Me What To Do" and "Give Back The Good Things" in her itinerary in 'Dreamgirl'.
As there is an actual Rita Wright recording of the latter, might there also be a Diana Ross & the Supremes/Andantes version in the vaults ?
Will the "Love and Affection" annotations show if the Supremes were supposed to record the former? And was it before or after Martha did?

Carole - I forgot to reply to this: yes, I hope I've covered all these points in the annos! Best, Keith.

[carole cucumber]

.......and as for the cover, the title of Motown Girls 1 was a Marvelettes track, yet we showed a Velvelettes' pic ... I'm afraid the Marvs may have missed out on the Vol 2 cover shot too.



Well that narrows the possibilities greatly. It's a good guess that the first cover was chosen because of a fellow Brit's [[who is of great assistance to such releases) devotion to that group .
I can think of another and his devotion to yet another group.....
Can't wait to see and hear this release [[although most of us know that we will have to)!

[bradsupremes]

The 10th Edition of DFTMC gives the composer of "Mother Tell Me What To Do" as Ivy Jo Hunter.

Where is it posted on DFTMC? I don't see it.

[kenneth]

Fantastic news. Ace is absolutely the best at mastering. Their CDs are so fresh and immediate sounding. So glad there's a Marvelettes track on it, too.

Now, if only they could find a Marvelettes live concert in the vaults, I'd be fizzing at the bung, too!

[motown01]

I can't wait - love that two Gladys tracks are included here.

[RossHolloway]

Pleased to be able to bring you news of the next Ace/Motown CD, due for release at the end of October. Cover pic is still "in development", I'll post as soon as it's finalised. Meantime - here's the track list:

1. Reassure Me That You Love Me - Brenda Holloway
2. Any Girl In Love [[Knows What I’m Going Through) - Gladys Knight The Pips
3. My Love Is Your Love [[Forever) - Barbara Randolph
4. This Is The Love [[I’ve Been Waiting For) - Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
5. I Can’t Make It Without You - Debbie Dean
6. Midnight Johnny [[Early Version) - Liz Lands
7. Many Good Times - The Lewis Sisters
8. Just Go On Sleeping - LaBrenda Ben *
9. Lonely Teardrops - Brenda Holloway *
10. Now That Love Is Gone - Hattie Littles *
11. Fugitive - LaBrenda Ben *
12. Envious [[Fast Version) - Linda Griner
13. Mr Pride And Mr Gloom - Connie Haines
14. Momma Tried To Warn Me - Oma Heard
15. Check Yourself - Chris Clark
16. Come Back Half Way - Barbara McNair
17. Mother Tell Me What To Do - Martha Reeves & The Vandellas
18. Girls Need Love And Affection - The Marvelettes
19. Give Back The Good Things - Rita Wright
20. Go For Yourself - The Lollipops
21. The Good Times Are Gone - Barbara McNair
22. The Things Time Can’t Erase - Gladys Knight & The Pips
23. Close My Crying Eyes - Yvonne Fair
24. Forgotten - Chris Clark
25. Lover Man [[Oh Where Can You Be) - Kim Weston *

All previously unreleased, except for the ones marked *, which appeared on the "Motown Unreleased" digital download series as MP3s.

Did you look at any Blinky tracks for inclusion? And how did you decide which tracks to include on this collection?

[keith_hughes]

You can stop guessing now, Carole!

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[carole cucumber]

Well that narrows the possibilities greatly. It's a good guess that the first cover was chosen because of a fellow Brit's [[who is of great assistance to such releases) devotion to that group .
I can think of another and his devotion to yet another group.....
Can't wait to see and hear this release [[although most of us know that we will have to)!

Thanks, Mr. Hughes, for verifying my theory. Martha's U.K. strongest support will be happy- and it is appropriate as Martha has been very visible in concert in the U.K. recently.

[robb_k]

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Wow!!! More LaBrenda Ben, Linda Griner, Rita Wright, Liz Lands, Oma Heard, Lollipops, and even more Kim Weston, Brenda Holloway, Martha and Gladys! I'm drooling! And Kim Weston's is a slow Jazz tune! I can't wait!

[carole cucumber]

9937

A question:

Is the colorization process done digitally or by hand?
The reason I ask is that there is a semblance of blue-green above Roz's right eye and muted red above Betty's right eye.
And I'm curious about the dark red at the center [[in direct line with the chin) of Roz and Martha's tops that is totally absent in the same spot of Betty's top.

[carole cucumber]

A question:

Is the colorization process done digitally or by hand?
The reason I ask is that there is a semblance of blue-green above Roz's right eye and muted red above Betty's right eye.
And I'm curious about the dark red at the center [[in direct line with the chin) of Roz and Martha's tops that is totally absent in the same spot of Betty's top.

Looking at the photo in black & white [[as it has been previously published), I see that there was the same level of saturation on Roz and Martha's tops- although I'm not sure how that even occurred.
But the blue-green eye shadow effect on Roz makes it appear that either she or her make-up artist were off target that day.

[keith_hughes]

Wow, these questions are way out of my area, Ms C! All I was told is that this is the pic that will be "all over the internet" [[ahem) on Monday, but that there may be tweaks before it goes to printing. Have passed your comments along to People Who Know.

[danman869]

Carole, looking at the picture, Roz and Martha both have their shoulders rolled forward where as Betty's are pulled back. I'd say those "dark areas" on Roz and Martha's dresses are actually shadows. As good a job as was done with tinting this photo [[whether by hand or digitally--and I suspect the latter), I'd say that the subtlety of some of the shadows was lost. :)

[kenneth]

I've seen other photos of the girls in those gowns and there doesn't appear to be any difference in the front so I think danman869 is correct. Here's one. I was unable to download it but the link should work.

http://www.last.fm/music/Martha+Reeves+&+The+Vandellas/+images/2724e4f8e50d4f4598f6c6f7e4a72cca

[thommg]

Another wonderful compilation! I like the color tinting of the old photos that I've only seen in black & white. And I agree with Dan, I think they darker spots are shadowed. I didn't really think about them until they were mentioned. I love that Martha Reeves & The Vandellas appear in the line right above the picture. Smart placement!

[longtimefan]

Here's the black and white original picture.
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[keith_hughes]

Brad/144: "Mother Tell Me What To Do" is by Ivy Jo, is not in DFTMC because Martha's is the only version with vocals and hasn't been released [[yet). The Supremes never added voices to the band track that was made for them.

Russ: I made the long list, Mick the final cut. I seem to recall we horse-traded over a couple of items, but in general it was all Sweet Harmony. The only criterion was never-before-released on vinyl or CD. And Girls. [[Obviously.) And I can't remember whether there were any Blinky cuts on the long list, we started this project back in March...

[dickiemint]

Keep them coming Keith Hughes we will support these releases any unreleased Mary Wells in the Vault or Stevie Wonder produced 70s Supremes ?

[carole cucumber]

.......
Russ: I made the long list, Mick the final cut. I seem to recall we horse-traded over a couple of items, but in general it was all Sweet Harmony. The only criterion was never-before-released on vinyl or CD. And Girls. [[Obviously.) And I can't remember whether there were any Blinky cuts on the long list, we started this project back in March...

LONG list .... obviously enough for a few further volumes...
Although , in fairness, the guys will likely be given a Vol 2 before the girls see Vol 3. Please keep bringing them on.

[westgrandboulevard]

I agree with Carole....yes Keith, please do keep bringing them on!

While I can't promise to love all the Motown tracks equally, I am enduringly grateful to have the opportunity of hearing them, so that I may then make my own decision.

Soulful Detroit forum is not only the most appropriate place to hear about what is happening with Motown releases from Ace, but also the very best.

As a matter of personal record [[if I were pressed) I could think of another internet group which treasures Motown, but where there is rigid insistence on controlling its members as Hitsville once did with the actual Motown recordings.

It seems that members of that other internet group [[many of whom constantly 'guest' here on SDF; surely the love which dare not speak its name) must accept that they are constantly subject to stringent Quality Control , may be released without warning, or even find themselves summarily deleted...LOLOLOL

We're in good hands right here. Thank you Ralph, and thank you Keith and everyone at Ace, for retaining the high values which Motown deserves.;)

[theboyfromxtown]

I agree with Carole....yes Keith, please do keep bringing them on!

While I can't promise to love all the Motown tracks equally, I am enduringly grateful just to have the opportunity of even hearing them, so that I may then make my own decision.

Soulful Detroit forum is not only the most appropriate place to hear about what is happening with Motown releases from Ace, but also the very best.

As a matter of personal record [[if I were pressed) I could think of another internet group which treasures Motown, but where there is rigid insistence on controlling its members as Hitsville once did with the actual Motown recordings.

Members on that other internet group constantly 'guest' here on SDF [[surely the love which dare not speak its name), knowing that they are constantly subject to stringent Quality Control , may be released without warning, or even find themselves immediately deleted...LOLOLOL

We're in good hands here. Thank you Ralph, and thank you Keith and everyone at Ace, for retaining the high values which Motown deserves.;)

We ought to give a special mention to Harry Weinger too!

[westgrandboulevard]

And I do believe you just did....so, very well done! :D

[honest man]

Cannot wait, another great project from ace and compilers,thank you always

[mr soul]

Finally available to pre-order on Amazon UK.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Love-Affection-More-Motown-Girls/dp/B01526OX54/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1441732776&sr=1-1&keywords=more+motown+girls

[copley]

It's cheaper direct from Ace plus free p&p too.

https://acerecords.co.uk/love-affection-motown-girls-volume-2

[ralpht]

You're welcome, westgrand. Some of the stuff that comes up completely baffles me at times, but it all goes with the territory I suppose. All in all , we have a great group of people here who are plugged into what real music is all about. So we're all kindred souls here no matter what goes on from time to time.

[mr soul]

Hi Copley, you're quite right, however it's an odd price on both sites.

[booty]

The price on ACE [[£12.92) is the price you will pay for this item. However, the price quoted on Amazon of £12.99 is their pre-order price and will probably fall before it is released. Pre-order from Amazon and their price guarantee means that you will pay the cheapest price it falls to prior to release.

It is worth bearing in mind also that P&P is included in the price from Ace [[UK delivery only) whereas Amazon now charge delivery for any order under £20.00.

[theboyfromxtown]

I think I'd rather support Ace...whether or not it costs a bit more or less.

[copley]

I always try to support the 'little guy' unless there is a big difference in price.

[brother_love]

Keith, I was wondering which version of "Lonely Teardrops" you are using? Is it the one with the music intro or the one that starts right off with her vocal?

[carole cucumber]

Keith, I was wondering which version of "Lonely Teardrops" you are using? Is it the one with the music intro or the one that starts right off with her vocal?

I'm not Keith, but if he is using the version that was offered as part of the unreleased 1964 digital download set, Lonely Teardrops has the music intro. The notation following the track list in post #1 would indicate that that is the version being used on Motown Girl 2.

[lakedistrictlad1]

I think I'd rather support Ace...whether or not it costs a bit more or less.

There is a small second hand record shop in Fulham [[West London) that stocks these ACE releases. It's one of those dying breed record shops loaded with Motown and soul records on the walls. I cycle over there to buy these releases. ANYTHING but give my money to Amazon!

[keith_hughes]

I know of only one recording by Brenda of "Lonely Teardrops", and that begins with a brass & drums intro. That's the one on the CD, and it's the same as the one on the MP3 release. Where did you hear the other version, brother love? Perhaps it was on a boot CD, and the intro's just been clipped off.

[brother_love]

Hey Keith, the very first version I ever heard was without the intro. It was on a cassette long before CDs were ever issued and I know for a fact it came from the vaults. It wasn't until years later that I heard the other version. Most of the tracks on that cassette have now been issued on different comps with a few by Brenda that have not been released. I'll make sure that you hear it. Keep up the great work!
I know of only one recording by Brenda of "Lonely Teardrops", and that begins with a brass & drums intro. That's the one on the CD, and it's the same as the one on the MP3 release. Where did you hear the other version, brother love? Perhaps it was on a boot CD, and the intro's just been clipped off.

[honest man]

Hey Keith, the very first version I ever heard was without the intro. It was on a cassette long before CDs were ever issued and I know for a fact it came from the vaults. It wasn't until years later that I heard the other version. Most of the tracks on that cassette have now been issued on different comps with a few by Brenda that have not been released. I'll make sure that you hear it. Keep up the great work!

Same thing with me i heard Brenda's version from 60s YOU'RE GONNA LOVE MY BABY,At a soul doo about 12 years ago Chris King spun it,and yes it was an original not a re recorded track ,genuine classic 60s motown. doubt it will ever show up as it must have been taken from vaults,cheers.

[ron]

I think I'd rather support Ace...whether or not it costs a bit more or less.

You can pay even less AND support Ace by waiting till the day of release and accessing 'reissuesdirect', via the Amazon website. I have purchased all of my Ace releases this way, normally at a standard price of £10.50 plus £1.26 postage. They are normally despatched the same day by First Class post.

In case you are wondering, 'reissuesdirect' is Ace. I prefer Ace to have as much of my money as possible. I have been staggered to see that Amazon UK have been charging a higher price [[PLUS postage where appropriate) for the last four or five Ace releases than Ace have been charging themselves, let alone their price through 'reissues direct'.

Remember, all the Amazon 'pre-order price' guarantees is that if their price drops before release, the price you pay will that charged on the date of release... and Amazon's price has barely dropped with the most recent MOTOWN releases. At one stage, the Mary Wells release was being sold by Amazon UK at a little over £2 MORE than the listed price by Ace. Bizarre....

So if you have placed an order with with Amazon UK under their pre-order guarantee, cancel it and order it direct from Ace. If you want to save a little more on the price that you pay, wait until release date and order through 'reissuesdirect'. You will still receive it within 3-4 days of release - AND BE SUPPORTING ACE.

[honest man]

You can pay even less AND support Ace by waiting till the day of release and accessing 'reissuesdirect', via the Amazon website. I have purchased all of my Ace releases this way, normally at a standard price of £10.50 plus £1.26 postage. They are normally despatched the same day by First Class post.

In case you are wondering, 'reissuesdirect' is Ace. I prefer Ace to have as much of my money as possible. I have been staggered to see that Amazon UK have been charging a higher price [[PLUS postage where appropriate) for the last four or five Ace releases than Ace have been charging themselves, let alone their price through 'reissues direct'.

Remember, all the Amazon 'pre-order price' guarantees is that if their price drops before release, the price you pay will that charged on the date of release... and Amazon's price has barely dropped with the most recent MOTOWN releases. At one stage, the Mary Wells release was being sold by Amazon UK at a little over £2 MORE than the listed price by Ace. Bizarre....

So if you have placed an order with with Amazon UK under their pre-order guarantee, cancel it and order it direct from Ace. If you want to save a little more on the price that you pay, wait until release date and order through 'reissuesdirect'. You will still receive it within 3-4 days of release - AND BE SUPPORTING ACE. iALWAYS THOUGHT whereever you bought cd ,Ace get a cut i never knew Amazon cleaned up,maybe will have to change supplier even to support future Motown releases thanks for nod.

[ron]

iALWAYS THOUGHT whereever you bought cd ,Ace get a cut i never knew Amazon cleaned up,maybe will have to change supplier even to support future Motown releases thanks for nod.

Yes, that is the case but Amazon will clearly buy everything that they sell at a hefty discount, meaning that Ace will make less money should you buy from Amazon. Amazon's 'Prime' intention is to make as much money - for themselves - as possible. That 'discount' offered to Amazon will be retained by Ace if you order directly by them.

Amazon still make some money from Ace for hosting 'reissuesdirect' on the relevant page but it is only a very small amount compared with selling the CD themselves.

If we look back at the way Amazon have increased the prices of CD's sold themselves [[not those sold by third party sellers, although Amazon still get a listing fee) in specialist markets such as Motown over the last few years, I think it fair to say they are no longer doing any of us any favors. That is why I feel we should all give Ace as much support as we possibly can...

[theboyfromxtown]

You can pay even less AND support Ace by waiting till the day of release and accessing 'reissuesdirect', via the Amazon website. I have purchased all of my Ace releases this way, normally at a standard price of £10.50 plus £1.26 postage. They are normally despatched the same day by First Class post.

In case you are wondering, 'reissuesdirect' is Ace. I prefer Ace to have as much of my money as possible. I have been staggered to see that Amazon UK have been charging a higher price [[PLUS postage where appropriate) for the last four or five Ace releases than Ace have been charging themselves, let alone their price through 'reissues direct'.

Remember, all the Amazon 'pre-order price' guarantees is that if their price drops before release, the price you pay will that charged on the date of release... and Amazon's price has barely dropped with the most recent MOTOWN releases. At one stage, the Mary Wells release was being sold by Amazon UK at a little over £2 MORE than the listed price by Ace. Bizarre....

So if you have placed an order with with Amazon UK under their pre-order guarantee, cancel it and order it direct from Ace. If you want to save a little more on the price that you pay, wait until release date and order through 'reissuesdirect'. You will still receive it within 3-4 days of release - AND BE SUPPORTING ACE.

Never knew that. Thank you for that information.

[kenneth]

iALWAYS THOUGHT whereever you bought cd ,Ace get a cut i never knew Amazon cleaned up,maybe will have to change supplier even to support future Motown releases thanks for nod.

Well, of course Ace still gets something from the sale because they've sold the CDs to Amazon at a wholesale rate.

Sometimes I think it's better to order through a third party, such as Amazon, because Ace probably wants to maintain Amazon's superior distribution and sheer numbers of users who access the site. I mean, Ace has a great web site but I imagine it gets a fraction of the traffic that Amazon's gets. So even if they make less per unit, they likely want to keep the aggregate sales via Amazon due to the volume.

[mr soul]

Amazon's over £20 postage free policy, has probably reduced my orders directly from them 90% so seems very short sighted.

[longtimefan]

What is "reissue direct" on Amazon? I have never seen that on any Amazon page. What should I look for and where is it for future reference? Thanks!

[mr soul]

I assume it's one of the sellers on Amazon Marketplace.

[ron]

If we take the Fantastic Four - The Lost Album as an example, on the Amazon UK page you'll see '32 new from £10.37' highlighted in blue. Click on that; 'reissues direct' are the 5th seller down the list. 100% satisfaction to date. Not surprising really. Superb product, superb prices and superb customer service.

In case anybody is wondering, no, I'm nothing to do with Ace other than as one very happy customer, one who is elated that Ace chose to add Motown product to their ever increasing and fantastically varied catalogue. If we are to give Ace the maximum possible support, then that should include giving them the maximum financial return on each CD sale. Ace are happy to sell to us at £10.50 [[average) per disc, plus postage. They will certainly get a lot less per disc than that by selling to Amazon. Whilst I accept sales through Amazon on the whole would be greater, in normal circumstances many of those who purchase via Amazon wouldn't necessarily know what releases are in the offing.... we are very fortunate in having this forum, a forum that informs us all of what goodies are in the pipeline.

I began to turn away from Amazon a few years back on noticing their pricing policy had gone 'haywire' [[good British expression...). They were regularly offering CD's at prices higher than you could purchase directly from the manufacturer. This especially applied to specialist product such as Ace/Motown and Ace/Stax. In some cases it took a couple of months for the price to drop to a similar level. And then in the UK Amazon introduced a £20 minimum postage free policy, bringing them more in line with Amazon US. Similar to Mr Soul mentions above, this reduced my purchases from them drastically. No Amazon UK, your sales and marketing teams got it drastically wrong - instead of increasing my purchases overall in order to qualify for free shipping, you got it very wrong. I took my business elsewhere. Your pricing policy and shipping policy has backfired. If readers on this board are happy to pay a higher price for their Ace/Motown product [[using this as an example), with a smaller percentage of that selling price going to those who have taken the trouble - and financial gamble - to give us said product - in this case Ace - then carry on. I for one will not do so....

[copley]

Amazon's over £20 postage free policy, has probably reduced my orders directly from them 90% so seems very short sighted.
Me too. Now I shop around for the best price & free p&p.

[mr soul]

Hi Copley...I didn't think I was alone...furthermore as the price hardly ever change these day's there doesn't seem any point to pre-order, as if you wait for the release the price is invariably cheaper especially from Amazon Marketplace even allowing for £1.26 postage.

[carole cucumber]

Mr. Hughes,

Is this one of the photos in the cd booklet? If it is, thank you . And hoping that there are other rare/unfamiliar ones of other Motown girls as well.

http://acerecords.co.uk/cache/images/motowngirlsvol2a_0_003c91453c9145.jpg

[keith_hughes]

that pic is in the booklet at the mo', Ms C., but we're only on the second round of proofreading at the moment, when things tend to fly in and fly out in a blink - I've noticed that even the cover has changed slightly since it was posted on the site. And there's a picture of a young lady in a swimsuit currently in the booklet which some elderly readers with blood pressure problems may find troubling, I'm sure Ace will be taking medical advice on whether it's safe to print.

[kenneth]

A few days ago the price on Amazon US was 26.99. Now it has dropped to $19.99. May be a good time to reserve your copy.

[carole cucumber]

that pic is in the booklet at the mo', Ms C., ....... And there's a picture of a young lady in a swimsuit currently in the booklet which some elderly readers with blood pressure problems may find troubling, I'm sure Ace will be taking medical advice on whether it's safe to print.

Hmmh... likely candidates Tammi Terrell or Barbara Randolph.

[keith_hughes]

sound clips are up on the Ace website, chaps and chapesses ... I'm still trying to pick a favourite!

[[and btw, it sounds like you're in for a surprise with the swimsuit lady, Ms Cucumber!)

[carole cucumber]

sound clips are up on the Ace website, chaps and chapesses ... I'm still trying to pick a favourite!

[[and btw, it sounds like you're in for a surprise with the swimsuit lady, Ms Cucumber!)

With the elderly men clue it might be a photo from this session :

http://slr1238.deviantart.com/art/Connie-Haines-singer-and-Lou-Costello-453316860

or it may be photo of the voluptuous Brenda Holloway. But as of yet, I've not seen one of
Brenda in swimwear.

[carole cucumber]

As always, thanks again and again for the sound clips.
Which leads to a few comments/ questions:

First my favorites so far are:
Reassure Me That You Love Me- Brenda Holloway [[I just wanted that sound clip to keep on going)
This Is The Love [[I've Been Waiting For) -Martha Reeves & the Vandellas
Mr. Pride and Mr Gloom- Connie Haines
Mama Tried To Warn Me- Oma Heard
Mama Tell Me What To Do- Martha Reeves & the Vandellas
Girls Need Love and Affection- The Marvelettes
The Things Time Can't Erase- Gladys Knight & the Pips

Now for a few questions:
Has anyone else recorded "I Can't Make It Without You"? Even though Debbie Dean's likely one its writers, her delivery is, for want of a better word 'mismatched'. But the band, drive and background vocals of the track are top notch.

Has Brenda Holloway also recorded "Momma Tried To Warn Me"? Oma seems to be imitating/singing in Brenda's style and the violin soloist may just be Brenda herself- it sounds as if it would have fit perfectly on the 'Every Little Bit Hurts" album on Tamla, if it were in fact first recorded by Brenda.

The rhythm and background vocals on This Is The Love [[I've Been Waiting For) remind me of a song that might have been written for the Jackson 5. Is there a Deke Richards/Corporation connection with this one?

Is Liz Lands providing the very prominent, powerful background voice on 'Just Go On Sleeping"?

From the timbre and delivery of the first line and most of the second of "Close My Crying Eyes", I almost thought I was listening to Tammi Terrell but then something shifted in the voice and delivery.

After the refrain/chorus of "Forgotten" when Chris Clark sings 'Big important man who spends his time' the melody sounded as if it may have been lifted from ''Mr. Bojangles"
Or am I the only one hearing that?

[carole cucumber]

As always, thanks again and again for the sound clips.

Has anyone else recorded "I Can't Make It Without You"? Even though Debbie Dean's likely one its writers, her delivery is, for want of a better word 'mismatched'. But the band, drive and background vocals of the track are top notch.

After checking DFTMC, I see that the Rustix recorded and released a version and it is a Deke & Debbie composition. But has anyone else recorded a version?

[carole cucumber]

Keith or anyone else,

i went back to give the sound clips a second listen at the Ace website, and something is not kosher [[crackling, fading in & out). Is it only on my end or is the error on Ace's end???

[Laserdk]

The clips sound absolutely fine to me.

Ivor

[carole cucumber]

The clips sound absolutely fine to me.

Ivor

Thank you, sir. It must be on my end.

[carole cucumber]

I went to another computer and everything is working fine. thanks again.

[keith_hughes]

Your pic of Connie made me smile, CC! The one we've used of her is likely from a slightly later time in her life, and reminds me of my Auntie Clarice, who used to bring home-made cakes to our house and pat me on the head and call me "a dear little boy". The cakes were OK, though.

You've picked up on what's really a secondary theme of this album, though it emerged by chance. Many of the songs were cut by only one artist, so have never been heard before. There are over 3,000 Jobete publications listed at the Library Of Congress ...

[westgrandboulevard]

Keith....

Are/were the original band tracks - as played back to the artists for vocal dubbing, and before any additional sweetening was added - retained in the vaults?

[keith_hughes]

wgb: for the most part, yes

[westgrandboulevard]

That's good to hear, as would be those band tracks.

No doubt, they will probably have to remain in them there vaults, but I wonder how they would sound, with the addition of new vocals.....

[keith_hughes]

A bit more colourful: http://acerecords.co.uk/love-affection-more-motown-girls

[snakepit]

Keith
I assume the GK &TP track 2 is an HDH production...memory playing me up but I Can' t think of any other HDH on them.
Are there more?
Did GK&TP do several sessions with them?

[Bluebrock]

Cannot wait for this!
I purchase all my Ace cd's from a wonderful Independent record store called Action Records in Preston, Lancs. I pay a tenner per cd which I think is a fair price to pay. I do use Amazon for certain other cd's but try to avoid them whenever possible.

[snakepit]

Thanks for that
I'll check out Action.

[Bluebrock]

Thanks for that
I'll check out Action.

I live locally enough to be able to visit the shop but they also do a good mail order service.
The shop is worth a visit if you are ever in the area. They have racks and racks of soul cd's at reasonable prices, and lots of 2nd hand ones too.

[carole cucumber]

A bit more colourful: http://acerecords.co.uk/love-affection-more-motown-girls

Mr. Hughes,

A special thanks to 'People who know' , who arrived at a most wonderful solution.
With Roz, Betty and Martha each wearing a different shade the shadows on 2 of the tops, though still present, is less noticeable.

[keith_hughes]

Keith
I assume the GK &TP track 2 is an HDH production...memory playing me up but I Can' t think of any other HDH on them.
Are there more?
Did GK&TP do several sessions with them?

There are a couple of other HDH GK&P productions down there in the Vaults, Snakepit ...

[snakepit]

There are a couple of other HDH GK&P productions down there in the Vaults, Snakepit ...

Really:) we live in hope

[snakepit]

I live locally enough to be able to visit the shop but they also do a good mail order service.
The shop is worth a visit if you are ever in the area. They have racks and racks of soul cd's at reasonable prices, and lots of 2nd hand ones too.

Proud Preston not that far away..I will bear it in my mind thanks

[Bluebrock]

Proud Preston not that far away..I will bear it in my mind thanks

My pleasure!

[snakepit]

Cannot wait for this!
I purchase all my Ace cd's from a wonderful Independent record store called Action Records in Preston, Lancs. I pay a tenner per cd which I think is a fair price to pay. I do use Amazon for certain other cd's but try to avoid them whenever possible.

Just ordered Jimmy Holiday CD on Kent.from Action...[[£8) see how they perform

[copley]

Love the new cover. Listened to the sound clips 10/10. Not a dud in sight :)

[144man]

I listened to the sound clips and ended up with a broad grin on my face. I think this is going to be a very good CD indeed.

[Bluebrock]

Just ordered Jimmy Holiday CD on Kent.from Action...[[£8) see how they perform

I would imagine you will receive it within a couple of days. On the rare occasions I have used mail order it arrives within a few days. The owner of Action records is a nice guy called Gordon and his son sorts out the mail orders very efficiently. Let me know how you go on and apologies to everyone else for going slightly off topic.

[snakepit]

I would imagine you will receive it within a couple of days. On the rare occasions I have used mail order it arrives within a few days. The owner of Action records is a nice guy called Gordon and his son sorts out the mail orders very efficiently. Let me know how you go on and apologies to everyone else for going slightly off topic.

Received ..CD very good and prompt service..will use again.

[snakepit]

Courtesy of Ace/Kent records and compiler Keith Hughes, I am delighted to say that 3 tracks from the forthcoming "Love and Affection" CD, [[tracks from the Motown vaults and previously unreleased) will feature, in full, on my radio show next week.

www.fcumradio.co.uk

Soulful Shack

sat/sun 17/18 October 20.00pm

mon/tue 19/20 October 17.00pm

[snakepit]

Bump...3 unissued tracks on the next edition of SS
Brenda Holloway
Gladys Knight & Pips
Barbara Randolph

[snakepit]

If anybody tuned in to Soulful Shack, I hope you enjoyed the 3 great unissued tracks ...repeated tonight 20.00, Monday & Tuesday both 17.00.
Next weeks show has another 3...Linda Griner, Martha & Vandellas and Yvonne Fair

[carole cucumber]

The Ace website now has a few pictures from the L & A booklet in the sidebar. [[The fourth
may be of interest to John Perrone) .

[roger]

Three days to go and I've just put in an order for a copy via the Ace website.

Could be the release of the year and with any luck I should get it this weekend .... :)

Roger

[booty]

Yay!!!! My copy has just arrived from Ace.

[shoo-be-doo]

My copy arrived from Ace today. I haven't played it yet but when looking through the booklet my eyes nearly popped out of my head at the sight of Liz Lands in her swimsuit! There's no way she could go swimming with that hairdo!

[woodward]

My copy arrived in the USA today from ACE in London. It was mailed on 01/21/15 and it took 7 days to go from there to the east coast of the USA. Great service if I must say so.

[copley]

Played it twice and think that it’s the best Motown girls collection – ever! Not a bad track to be heard. It again begs the question why Motown recorded so much material when they knew that it would be impossible to release at least half of it!

The booklet is a mine of information and great photos. The one of Liz Lands in swimsuit avec bee-hive is a sight to behold!

Nearly all the girls are there, BLINKY excepted. Wonderful to hear a new Lewis Sister track, just wish that we could have many more. Gladys & Martha never disappoint. Would still be nice to have a Gladys ‘Lost & Found’ so that all the found tracks could be in one place! Was surprised and delighted to have a Yvonne Fair track on here as she’s much rawer sound wise than the compilers normal taste!

Favourite tracks? Well I have quite a few. ‘I Can’t Make It Without You’ – Debbie Dean which has ‘hit’ written all over it. Lewis Sisters – ‘Many Good Times’, LaBrenda Ben – ‘Just Go On Sleeping’, Lollipops – ‘Go For Yourself’ and Chris Clark’s totally over the top ‘Forgotten’. I have two extra special favs; ‘Now That Love Is Gone’ – Hattie Littles & ‘Close My Crying Eyes’ – Yvonne Fair.

Can't wait for volume 3 :)

[theboyfromxtown]

I'll be keen to see what fans think of Wanda's contribution.

Marvelettes fans where are you?

[copley]

Well of course the Marvelettes are 'my girls'. I like the song but have to say that it got swamped by so many better ones. Naturally it's wonderful to have a new Wanda :)

[longtimefan]

Well of course the Marvelettes are 'my girls'. I like the song but have to say that it got swapped by so many better ones. Naturally it's wonderful to have a new Wanda :)

Do you mean "swapped" in favor of better Marvelettes' tracks that you know are in the vaults? Just curious.

[copley]

Oops, my bad. Meant swamped as in got lost or hidden by so many excellent tracks.

[ron]

Well, I'm not very good at writing reviews but what else can I say? Ace really have done it again.... The usual very high quality product, both booklet and CD, which is now on its third play. Too soon for me to say which tracks I do or don't like, but the Lewis Sisters is an initial stand-out.
I ordered directly from Ace through their Reissues Direct facility, which is hosted on Amazon, on the day of release. Three days later it arrived through my letterbox, which included a Sunday. Outstanding !
I know I always seem to say this, but those unsure - buy it ! On initial hearing[[s), you won't be disappointed.
Thank you Ace. You really do deserve the maximum possible support...

[soulwally]

Well, I'm not very good at writing reviews but what else can I say? Ace really have done it again.... The usual very high quality product, both booklet and CD, which is now on its third play. Too soon for me to say which tracks I do or don't like, but the Lewis Sisters is an initial stand-out.
I ordered directly from Ace through their Reissues Direct facility, which is hosted on Amazon, on the day of release. Three days later it arrived through my letterbox, which included a Sunday. Outstanding !
I know I always seem to say this, but those unsure - buy it ! On initial hearing[[s), you won't be disappointed.
Thank you Ace. You really do deserve the maximum possible support...
It's great to hear the voices we know and love on 'fresh' material... but those voices are much better than most of the material. You can hear why they were consigned to the vaults.
However, I'm enjoying both Barbara McNair tracks [[that distinctive voice really gets me), Brenda's 'Reassure me...' opener and the Connie Haines track [[so typical of a Smokey composition and production from that era).
Full marks to Ace for a classy piece of packaging and a great booklet, it's just a shame I'm let down by most of the material.
The Miracles version of My Love Is Your Love [[Forever) with Barbara Randolph's vocal on gives us another chance to hear the craziest drum fills ever to emanate from the Snakepit.

[longtimefan]

I have tried several online sites to order this CD and all have no stock -- backorder only!

It looks like Ace distribution fell between the cracks with their business plan in getting this CD well stocked. I doubt sincerely that it has actually been "sold out" at eight different sites. Too bad.

[mysterysinger]

Can't possibly be sold out since there's no market for CDs apparently these days.

[Bluebrock]

It's great to hear the voices we know and love on 'fresh' material... but those voices are much better than most of the material. You can hear why they were consigned to the vaults.
However, I'm enjoying both Barbara McNair tracks [[that distinctive voice really gets me), Brenda's 'Reassure me...' opener and the Connie Haines track [[so typical of a Smokey composition and production from that era).
Full marks to Ace for a classy piece of packaging and a great booklet, it's just a shame I'm let down by most of the material.
The Miracles version of My Love Is Your Love [[Forever) with Barbara Randolph's vocal on gives us another chance to hear the craziest drum fills ever to emanate from the Snakepit.
I hear what you are saying soulwally. I like to play a cd at least 4 times before passing judgement. I am now on my 5th play and whilst I am enjoying it I am finding it difficult to find any real killer tracks. It's a great release of course but I can concede why some of these songs remained in the vault for as long as they did, but I will continue to welcome these releases. Ace do us a great service.

[longtimefan]

Can't possibly be sold out since there's no market for CDs apparently these days.

I agree, mysterysinger. It's apparently a distribution and business plan issue. While I GREATLY value ACE, it's disappointing to fans to struggle to buy these items.

[Laserdk]

You can order this CD direct from Ace as they have it in stock and sell worldwide:-

http://acerecords.co.uk/love-affection-more-motown-girls

Alternatively, these Amazon UK Marketplace sellers have it in stock and quite a few of these sellers are US based:-

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B01526OX54/ref=sr_1_1_twi_aud_1_olp?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1447102058&sr=1-1&keywords=love+and+affection+motown+girls

Ivor

[theboyfromxtown]

Great piece of helpful advice. Well done Ivor

[lakedistrictlad1]

Just wanted to say thanks again to 'Team Ace' for this superb release.

I've had the 2 Barbara McNair tracks on continual shuffle this morning. 'The good times are gone' is utterly beautiful. How did it fall through the cracks for 50 years.

The Marvelettes us also a standout. What a stomper! And the instantly recognisable writing of Smokey's Connie Haines track is a joy. It has the same ' swing' to it as the Elgins 'Doctor of love', has anyone else noticed?

[mysterysinger]

I have to say that this has exceeded my expectations. IMHO it is a must have. Thanks guys.

[huntergettingcaptured]

The Miracles version of My Love Is Your Love [[Forever) with Barbara Randolph's vocal on gives us another chance to hear the craziest drum fills ever to emanate from the Snakepit.

Just happened to catch this comment, lol! Yes. I too remember thinking those drum fills were VERY odd- but I like your choice of words much more! It was almost as if this was a rough draft that made it to finished recording.

[westgrandboulevard]

In my mind's eye, I always imagine it is Animal from the Muppet Show, playing those drums.....;)

[soulwally]

In my mind's eye, I always imagine it is Animal from the Muppet Show, playing those drums.....;)
Me too, WGB!!

[danman869]

A great source for Ace, BBR, and other related label releases is at www.ebrecords.com. The site was known as Ernie B's Reggae, but they've apparently branched out so much beyond selling mainly reggae music that they're now going by EB Records. Based in Northern California [[Sacramento), they ship [[fast!) domestically and around the world. I highly recommend them to my Motown and soul-loving brothers and sisters here on SDF. ;)

[RossHolloway]

I know that I'm very late to the party in terms of reviewing this release. I was late ordering this cd and finally received it around the same time that U/M dropped the new Diana Ross digital release and then the Expanded Edition of the Supreme's Christmas release and then Unreleased Motown '65, and I'm sure I'll download Marvin Gaye's Unreleased '65 this weekend as well [[Not to mention the unannounced release of Erykah Badu's new mix tape that I downloaded as soon as I heard about.) All in all this past month or so has been a Motown collector's fan dream season!

Notes and Takeaways:

The one song that was a true revelation to me was the one by Yvonne Fair, "Close My Crying Eyes". WOW what a great track, more blusier than your standard late '60 Motown record, but it does stand out. I hope more tracks or even a collection of her work finds its way out of the vault.

After listening to this collection both Barbara Randolph and Barbarah McNair have grown on me. Neither is a classic Motown singer but the music on their tracks is pure Motown. It's nice to hear the two GK&TP's two cuts, I hope more continue to be included on these releases.

Was Brenda Holloway the only artist to cover the Berry Gordy written track Lonely Teardrops? Nonetheless its a great track by BH. If I were picking songs from the 64 Unreleased set, I would have picked Today I Sing the Blues by Brenda. That track has got to be one of her greatest Motown recordings and serves as a prime example of her vocal talents and why I'm so in love with her.

It made me smile to know that there are roughly 20 or so more unreleased recordings from Rita Wright before she transform into Syreeta. Would love to see ACE release a collection on her.

I also thought that the track by Oma Heard was a standout as well. I find it hard to believe that Patrice Holloway never recorded this song seeing as she's one of the co-writers, fingers crossed that it just hasn't been discovered yet. I was sad to also learn that Oma only recorded 7 solo sides while at Motown, and I think with the track on Unreleased '65 all but one song has been released. It's too bad that she wasn't at Motown longer to record more material.

This is a great collection, its too bad that no Blinky cuts were included but I guess you can't have everything. I can't wait to see what ACE releases in 2016.

[SatansBlues]

Stumbled across this terrific song and discovered there are two different edits. On the Love & Affection release the time listed is at 3:50 but on this version on Youtube the time is 5:33. I'm not sure if someone did a remix and expanded it to 5:33. I went to compare the song on my ipod and strangely it now says "This song is not currently available in your country or region". [[US). This is weird because I actually purchased the cd and still have it in my collection so I'm not sure why I'm getting this message. But thought this song is worth a re-visit.


https://youtu.be/_kllW1aAIEw

[copley]

It's a fan extended version buy a guy I know who is partially sighted so it's 100% unofficial.

[SatansBlues]

It's a fan extended version buy a guy I know who is partially sighted so it's 100% unofficial.

Please let your friend know that his remix version is EXCELLENT. Has he done any other remixes?

[copley]

Thanks I will do. He has lots of Motown on his channel, check it out :)