View Full Version : UNSUNG: The Truth: FLORENCE BALLARD!
test
marv2
06-02-2015, 11:26 AM
Another take on Florence's story...............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ4HZiroMxM
Bluebrock
06-02-2015, 11:33 AM
Why can't they just let the poor woman rest in peace?
marv2
06-02-2015, 12:11 PM
Why can't they just let the poor woman rest in peace?
It's like the stories you hear about a spirit roaming the Earth and will not rest until justice is done.
mowsville
06-02-2015, 12:31 PM
Maybe if we wait long enough they will do an unsung on you marv...the true story...I cant wait
marv2
06-02-2015, 12:37 PM
Maybe if we wait long enough they will do an unsung on you marv...the true story...I cant wait
................Why me?
supremester
06-02-2015, 01:05 PM
LOL...... like she said, "Quit lyin' and tell the truth" !!! LOLOLOL This woman probably IS Marv in evening wear - same opinions, same Malaprop,s same wrong info.
Maybe if we wait long enough they will do an unsung on you marv...the true story...I cant wait
antceleb12
06-02-2015, 01:37 PM
Guys, grow up and leave Marv alone. Seriously. You don't like the post, move on...
supremester
06-02-2015, 01:46 PM
Grow up?? Why exactly do you think this moronic woman was posted here?
SOMEONE needs to grow up, but it's not ME that needs a doctah, Blanche!
Maybe if we wait long enough they will do an unsung on you marv...the true story...I cant wait
antceleb12
06-02-2015, 03:04 PM
Grow up?? Why exactly do you think this moronic woman was posted here?
SOMEONE needs to grow up, but it's not ME that needs a doctah, Blanche!
I'm not talking about whoever this woman is. I didn't even watch the video. I don't need to, because its clear this thread has already gone south with remarks against Marv. If you have something negative to say, keep it to about the thread content - not other members.
supremester
06-02-2015, 03:24 PM
I think if you were to watch the video, you would understand better.
The sole purpose of this video is to make certain the thread goes south. There's no way for it to go BUT south - it's headed in that direction because of the video.
I'm not talking about whoever this woman is. I didn't even watch the video. I don't need to, because its clear this thread has already gone south with remarks against Marv. If you have something negative to say, keep it to about the thread content - not other members.
RobertZ
06-02-2015, 03:33 PM
Why can't they just let the poor woman rest in peace?
AMEN! I can't agree more. But I can actually answer the question. Because, like JFK theorists, some people love conspiricies, like Princess Diana, some love woman-done-wrong sob stories, and like Elvis, some can't face the truth. There is nothing left "unsung" about poor Ms. Ballard's short life other than those wishing to profit on her name and those looking to create scandal that does not exist. Anyone wishing to honor Ms. Ballard can do so by remembering her own words and not falling victim: "I didn't read the contracts".
Well said antecleb. We all know what this is really about. Thanks Marv for posting.
BigAl
06-02-2015, 06:33 PM
That's a nice painting she's standing in front of.
marv2
06-02-2015, 06:42 PM
Well said antecleb. We all know what this is really about. Thanks Marv for posting.
You are most welcome Luke. I learned a few new things about Flo's life from this.
jobeterob
06-02-2015, 06:45 PM
My Momma always said "you make your bed and you get to lie in it"! So true.
marv2
06-02-2015, 06:46 PM
Guys, grow up and leave Marv alone. Seriously. You don't like the post, move on...
Thank you Antceleb12. This lady is just giving her opposing viewpoint to watch she saw and heard on the Unsung program on Florence Ballard.
marv2
06-02-2015, 06:48 PM
My Momma always said "you make your bed and you get to lie in it"! So true.
But I guess when you get into the bosses bed, people are going to question your integrity......
supremester
06-02-2015, 06:53 PM
But I guess when you get into the bosses bed, people are going to question your integrity......
Especially when the boss' name is Pedro! hehehehehehehehe!!!!!
I listened to a lot of it and she's just very blunt...and has a nice singing voice..Shantel better watch out!
milven
06-02-2015, 08:45 PM
I listened to a lot of it and she's just very blunt...and has a nice singing voice..Shantel better watch out!
She's repeating stuff from Mary's book and Randy's book and she gets much of it wrong. She implies that Diana was sleeping with Berry when she was a teenager, and also says that she had a baby with Berry and kept it a secret until she was a grown woman. Rhonda was born in 1971 so Diana was very much a grown woman when she got pregnant.
marv2
06-02-2015, 08:58 PM
I listened to a lot of it and she's just very blunt...and has a nice singing voice..Shantel better watch out!
She actually does have a nice voice. I like it.
detmotownguy
06-03-2015, 12:56 AM
She actually does have a nice voice. I like it.
Her voice has some feeling to it. Thanks for posting. At what age did Diane start dating Berry?
supremester
06-03-2015, 02:12 AM
Around her 21st birthday with 5 #1's recorded and 4 hit albums on Billboard.
THIS is the voice that Mary Wilson [[Of The Supremes) and the nutcase in this video compare o Aretha & Etta, or, as Nutcase says "The Whitney of her generation." These are selections that show various styles Flo exhibited to show the world how much she deserved the solo spotlight. Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHKd4GXvOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6E83tyhFN0&list=PLTDiBRaTYqfuu09Ynsawwkq-d_n0s0cpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGtNQmpG8xY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5GZ7yrOgXA&index=10&list=PLTDiBRaTYqfuu09Ynsawwkq-d_n0s0cpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHICldGaV9U&index=11&list=PLTDiBRaTYqfuu09Ynsawwkq-d_n0s0cpw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqJLnPN9ZiE&list=PLTDiBRaTYqfuu09Ynsawwkq-d_n0s0cpw&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpbtLV3SDuc
Her voice has some feeling to it. Thanks for posting. At what age did Diane start dating Berry?
marv2
06-03-2015, 08:18 AM
Her voice has some feeling to it. Thanks for posting. At what age did Diane start dating Berry?
It has a Gospel feel to it. I am not sure. She was 16 when they met.
Bluebrock
06-03-2015, 09:08 AM
As I said before please let Flo rest in peace. There is nothing to be gained by dredging up all this unverified stuff. I know some people adore all the mud slinging and they really do need to get a life.
helga
06-03-2015, 10:33 AM
AMEN! I can't agree more. But I can actually answer the question. Because, like JFK theorists, some people love conspiricies, like Princess Diana, some love woman-done-wrong sob stories, and like Elvis, some can't face the truth. There is nothing left "unsung" about poor Ms. Ballard's short life other than those wishing to profit on her name and those looking to create scandal that does not exist. Anyone wishing to honor Ms. Ballard can do so by remembering her own words and not falling victim: "I didn't read the contracts".
Well said.
nathanj06
06-03-2015, 10:47 AM
Is she stoned ladies and gentlemen? What a ridiculous rant and a waste of time.
captainjames
06-03-2015, 11:20 AM
What happen to Suzy ?
She knows no more or can validate anything she is saying because she was not there !!!!
Carol Denise Mitchell, was born May 12, 1955. Mitchell, sixth of sixteen children, is the daughter of Zebbie Thomas Charles, Sr., and Tasceaie Carise Charles. Mitchell was reared in Los Angeles, California, during the noteworthy era of the Civil Rights Movement, and she recalls how living in Watts, California, during this era in American history, was a motivating influence behind her writing career.
I heard her sing "Don't Mess With Bill" along with Baby Love.
Tell her that was the Marvelettes that sung "Don't Mess With Bill".
Sadly listening to her is 30 minutes and 42 seconds that I can not get back in my life.
Roberta75
06-03-2015, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=Sadly listening to her is 30 minutes and 42 seconds that I can not get back in my life.[/QUOTE]
lol. I couldnt get through 7 minutes of her "conversation" captainjames. The woman love to hear her own voice.
Fondly,
Roberta
marv2
06-03-2015, 01:22 PM
I love her comment about Florence having that Dorothy Dandridge type glamour. Florence was beautiful!
Well people are still talking about John Lennon,Abraham Lincoln and and Bessue Smith. So it's good we discuss the great Flo Ballard!
marv2
06-03-2015, 02:54 PM
Well people are still talking about John Lennon,Abraham Lincoln and and Bessue Smith. So it's good we discuss the great Flo Ballard!
I think it is great to talk about Florence and especially the truth about what really happened to her.
vgalindo
06-03-2015, 03:03 PM
Is she stoned ladies and gentlemen? What a ridiculous rant and a waste of time.
This woman is full of crap!!! People like to talk and really don't know the truth at all. I feel sorry for these fans who carry so much resentment against Diana Ross. Please move on. You will feel much better. Nothing is going to change history Diana Ross is one of the most successful female entertainers in the world and Florence and Mary are not!! Move on!!
captainjames
06-03-2015, 03:12 PM
You are so right but of course if she don't talk about Diana Ross then there is no story and no reason for her open her mouth. Its her way to try and get attention and/or money at Flo's expense.
This woman is full of crap!!! People like to talk and really don't know the truth at all. I feel sorry for these fans who carry so much resentment against Diana Ross. Please move on. You will feel much better. Nothing is going to change history Diana Ross is one of the most successful female entertainers in the world and Florence and Mary are not!! Move on!!
BigAl
06-03-2015, 04:43 PM
Well, that YouTube post, and this totally expected resulting thread, are both pretty preposterous, so why don't we call it a day on this one? I seriously doubt any of us can bring anything new to this particular topic, other than to critique the woman's vitriol, and then add more to it. Sheesh...
captainjames
06-03-2015, 06:45 PM
I agree AL kill it.
marv2
06-03-2015, 08:50 PM
She should be a consultant on the Florence Ballard movie.
supremester
06-03-2015, 10:14 PM
I think it is great to talk about Florence and especially the truth about what really happened to her.
Poor Flo never got over her betrayal by Mary who pretended to be on Flo's side until the Outer Drive meeting where she threw Flo under the bus. Mary talks about "Diane & Berry" but she was complicit with every bit of the dirt thrown in Flo's face - including that horrendous BS of transportation to Copa '67. Ih her book of fables, Mary states "Flo shunned us..." she leaves out that Cindy was riding with Diana, Berry & Mary in the limo. No wonder Flo shunned them, plus she still wasn't really speaking to any f them after Outer Drive - especially Mary. Flo said she wasn't allowed to ride with them. yes, Mary forgot to write that or about how Cindy spent the entire run hanging with Diana & Mary and sat in the audience every night at The Copa studying Flo. However, Mary DID remember to write about the time Diana accused Brenda of taking her hairspray - THANK GOD!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ktFUwPGWag
marv2
06-03-2015, 10:32 PM
I know most of us here know the truth behind Florence Ballard's troubles. I am thankful that folks outside of the forum will get to hear the truth now as well.
supremester
06-03-2015, 11:47 PM
I know most of us here know the truth behind Florence Ballard's troubles. I am thankful that folks outside of the forum will get to hear the truth now as well.
Or THINK they do ; ) Some people think they know 'cos they read Dreamgirl:My Lies As A Supreme not knowing it isn't accurate. of course, many fair minded people like to give Mary the benefit of the doubt [[like I did initially) because they weren't there, there's no way to know for sure and why would Mary lie? Why would Mary quote Ross' 20 million RTL fee if it wasn't true - even if the break even point was 16 million without Ross' percentage and total possible gross was 33 million? Why WOULD Mary lie? Well, many assume she wouldn't. Yet, on page 202 & 203 of Dreamgirl, Mary, not knowing Youtube and the internet would expose her falsehoods so many times didn't count on this particular fabrication to do her in. Tonight Show, 1967: not only does she make up this crap about what Flo said and did, but she makes up how much the audience loved it! LOL [[clip below) "After this, Flo monopolized the entire interview interrupting Diane to give clever and honest answers to Johnny's questions............the audience loved her...."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ULrqBRJ9Os
she just makes stuff up.............
So like many, this poor, crazed loon on the video thinks she knows what happened cos she read it in books....... but as I just showed above, you can't trust everything you read - especially in Mary's books. This is just one example of proof. Not, spin, opinion or conjecture. Just how it was, and how she said it was. Enjoy!
Roberta75
06-03-2015, 11:48 PM
She should be a consultant on the Florence Ballard movie.
The one starring Faith Evans as Flo and Kyle Mcglaughlan as Peter Benjaminsen? She sure should consult on that.
RobertZ
06-04-2015, 05:41 AM
The one starring Faith Evans as Flo and Kyle Mcglaughlan as Peter Benjaminsen? She sure should consult on that.
All scavengers picking a dead woman's bones for their own agendas and enrichment, right Ms. Roberta? Give me an appropriate scripture quote and we'll pray for Ms. Ballard's deserved rest.
Bluebrock
06-04-2015, 06:50 AM
RobertZ - Here here! It's disgusting the way some people are using a long deceased woman to air dirty laundry. Some people have no respect. It sickens me to the stomach.
RobertZ
06-04-2015, 07:51 AM
RobertZ - Here here! It's disgusting the way some people are using a long deceased woman to air dirty laundry. Some people have no respect. It sickens me to the stomach.
I as well, Bluebrock! And it never ceases to amaze me that threads here seeking to assist the ailing Cindy Birdsong go virtually ignored while the past of Ms. Ballard gets dredged up again and again ...
marv2
06-04-2015, 08:23 AM
All scavengers picking a dead woman's bones for their own agendas and enrichment, right Ms. Roberta? Give me an appropriate scripture quote and we'll pray for Ms. Ballard's deserved rest.
Kind of the way they picked Billie Holiday's 43 years ago................
rrussi
06-04-2015, 09:16 AM
What's with this woman? Who is she? I don't remember her being around the Supremes!!! Why does she think she KNOWS their story? She thinks she knows Diana????
rrussi
06-04-2015, 09:19 AM
Did she say Florence is from inner-city New York???
sansradio
06-04-2015, 09:59 AM
Did she say Florence is from inner-city New York???
Sure did. Ridiculous.
RobertZ
06-04-2015, 10:20 AM
Kind of the way they picked Billie Holiday's 43 years ago................
I don't think they are similar situations. I think everyone pretty much accepted Billie Holiday's death for what it was - the sad, largely self-induced end of a beloved and talented lady.
Roberta75
06-04-2015, 10:52 AM
All scavengers picking a dead woman's bones for their own agendas and enrichment, right Ms. Roberta? Give me an appropriate scripture quote and we'll pray for Ms. Ballard's deserved rest.
Here you go dear Robertz
Father in Heaven let perpetual light shine upon Florence Ballard. May her relatives and fans and friends on earth find peace through the mercy of God and accept that Florence Ballard is with her Heavenly Father and her family members who also reside at that beautiful mansion where all of us will hopefully end up one day.
I humbly ask this in Jesus name for he is my life my light and my salvation.
Amen
Sharpmoves
06-04-2015, 11:08 AM
And here is Flo singing to remind us all of her great gift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TkWeQfdpo4
marv2
06-04-2015, 11:11 AM
Did she say Florence is from inner-city New York???
No, she said Florence had the inner city New York fashion style.
marv2
06-04-2015, 11:13 AM
And here is Flo singing to remind us all of her great gift. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TkWeQfdpo4
Absolutely brilliant!
Mark Desjardines
06-04-2015, 11:57 AM
Miss Roberta, I hope your good words are the last ones on this subject! May Florence Ballard rest in peace!
Roberta75
06-04-2015, 11:58 AM
No, she said Florence had the inner city New York fashion style.
Buts lets keep it real honest and real in this here forum. This woman BD Mitchell also wrote the following lie in the comments sections of this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUQ2RM_070
"CD Mitchell [[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA1gE_8mcqYvLVjctnIUjOA) 3 days ago [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUQ2RM_070&lc=z12ujlninwnvvdbwj04cgjrq2lafjvli4xs0k)
I saw the show and Diana pushed Mary so far off of the stage it was shocking. That was the night Michael Jackson introduced the Moon Walk. Right after the shoving incident aired; [[millions saw it including me); they cut the scene from Motown 25 forever - from what I know, lol"
Now we all know that nobody watching Motown 25 in they home on TV saw the "alleged" shove on national TV so the womans got a real big issue with truth and honesty and accuraccy. I think shes also got a real warped obsession with Diane Ross and like most obsessors she stretches truth and tell lies imo.
Roberta
Roberta75
06-04-2015, 12:00 PM
Miss Roberta, I hope your good words are the last ones on this subject! May Florence Ballard rest in peace!
I thought my prayer would be the last word from me dear Mark Desjardines but I had to point out one more untrtuth from Ms BD Michells about her making up a story about the allegeged shoving incident on Motown 25 airing back in 1983. This woman has zero credibility and just love to hear her own voice imo.
Fondly,
Roberta
detmotownguy
06-04-2015, 10:20 PM
I would be nice to hear what Clucketta has to say to add some colour to the video presentation.
supremester
06-04-2015, 10:45 PM
Buts lets keep it real honest and real in this here forum. This woman BD Mitchell also wrote the following lie in the comments sections of this clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUQ2RM_070
"CD Mitchell [[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCA1gE_8mcqYvLVjctnIUjOA) 3 days ago [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUQ2RM_070&lc=z12ujlninwnvvdbwj04cgjrq2lafjvli4xs0k)
I saw the show and Diana pushed Mary so far off of the stage it was shocking. That was the night Michael Jackson introduced the Moon Walk. Right after the shoving incident aired; [[millions saw it including me); they cut the scene from Motown 25 forever - from what I know, lol"
Now we all know that nobody watching Motown 25 in they home on TV saw the "alleged" shove on national TV so the womans got a real big issue with truth and honesty and accuraccy. I think shes also got a real warped obsession with Diane Ross and like most obsessors she stretches truth and tell lies imo.
Roberta
That's prolly why someone likes her - they have so much in common.
marv2
06-04-2015, 11:54 PM
I would be nice to hear what Clucketta has to say to add some colour to the video presentation.
Clucketta remembers when Diana Ross shoved Mary Wilson at Motown 25, she use to talk about it all the time on the internet.
jobeterob
06-05-2015, 12:08 AM
What an embarrassing thread.
Was there an Unsung on Florence Ballard for real?
supremester
06-05-2015, 01:41 AM
Clucketta remembers when Diana Ross shoved Mary Wilson at Motown 25, she use to talk about it all the time on the internet.
Mary's lucky both of them didn't whoop her ass for not wearing the agreed upon costume. Mary somehow forgot to write about that in My Lies As A Supreme.
marv2
06-05-2015, 01:48 AM
Mary's luck both of them didn't whoop her ass for not wearing the agreed upon costume. Mary somehow forgot to write about that in My Lies As A Supreme.
Yeah and Smokey Robinson was sent out on stage to protect Mary Wilson? Yep, right! LOL!!!
Bluebrock
06-05-2015, 05:23 AM
This has got to be the worst thread I have ever read on this forum. Can we PLEASE let poor Florence rest in peace. She would be horrified by all the venom being spat out here. Enough is enough. Can we all please move on to something more positive?
RobertZ
06-05-2015, 08:26 AM
Mary's luck both of them didn't whoop her ass for not wearing the agreed upon costume. Mary somehow forgot to write about that in My Lies As A Supreme.
LOVE IT! Perhaps the hypnotist didn't get that far?
supremester
06-05-2015, 10:11 AM
I'm sure he got plenty far - he's a bud of Tom Jones!
Miss Ross was too classy to discuss it - happily Cindy wasn't ; ) Suzanne De Passe also! hehehehehehehehehe!
marv2
06-07-2015, 11:25 AM
She does have the historical facts correct.
Nelson George reported all the facts in his book Where did our love go...including the audience gasping twice at Diana's behavior. Speaking of dresses Cindy has spoken of Diana changing dresses at last minute to throw off her and Mary and also throwing her arms in front of their faces on stage. Such classy behavior!
supremester
06-07-2015, 05:54 PM
Audiences are STILL gasping at Diana's behavior - in fact, added shows are necessary next weekend to accommodate the number of gaspees. Cindy never said anything about dresses except mary screwing them over - if I'm wrong, post the link. While I have seen one occurrence of hands covering faces, briefly, out of dozens of chances to do so, I must aks, why she would do it? Everyone already saw them, she was hiding nothing - I mean everyone knew they were there.
marv2
06-07-2015, 07:08 PM
Nelson George reported all the facts in his book Where did our love go...including the audience gasping twice at Diana's behavior. Speaking of dresses Cindy has spoken of Diana changing dresses at last minute to throw off her and Mary and also throwing her arms in front of their faces on stage. Such classy behavior!\
Yeah, that is true. I have Nelson's book and it is a very good one. Regarding the throwing her arms in front of Mary and Cindy's faces. There is a clip of it on Youtube that gives a good example of that. They were appearing on Ed Sullivan singing "I'm the Greatest Star".
Roberta75
06-07-2015, 09:22 PM
Nelson George reported all the facts in his book Where did our love go...including the audience gasping twice at Diana's behavior. Speaking of dresses Cindy has spoken of Diana changing dresses at last minute to throw off her and Mary and also throwing her arms in front of their faces on stage. Such classy behavior!
Tut tut tut. Dianes bad behavior really traumattized you didnt it dear. I hope youve stopped gasping. I think counseling could help.
fondly,
Roberta
supremester
06-08-2015, 12:13 AM
The ONLY example, you mean. It's possible it was a mistake - what reason would there be to do it? If not, maybe it was after they set her up to be caught undressed by Tom Jones and thought she'd show those lying ho's what for.
Either way, I don't believe Tom Jones said that or like that, anyway. No one, when meeting people for the first time, would say something so rudely. In a book full of lies and embellishments, I'd put this down in the "IFFY" catagory.
\
Yeah, that is true. I have Nelson's book and it is a very good one. Regarding the throwing her arms in front of Mary and Cindy's faces. There is a clip of it on Youtube that gives a good example of that. They were appearing on Ed Sullivan singing "I'm the Greatest Star".
captainjames
06-08-2015, 12:23 AM
WOW may Florence R.I.P !!!
Is there anything anyone can say good about Florence except for how much Berry, Mary and Diana mistreated her. Was there nothing good about her life except for what Motown was suppose to have done to her ? The woman talking on this post probably never met or cared about a Supreme until she believed there were $$ involved somehow.
marv2
06-09-2015, 10:33 PM
WOW may Florence R.I.P !!!
Is there anything anyone can say good about Florence except for how much Berry, Mary and Diana mistreated her. Was there nothing good about her life except for what Motown was suppose to have done to her ? The woman talking on this post probably never met or cared about a Supreme until she believed there were $$ involved somehow.
Florence is resting in peace as I believe she died without guilt.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2024 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.