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12-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Hey All,

Happy Holidays and Everything. Some of you, please sit back and relax.

A couple of things here.

Some are speculating on whether or not MJ may have fathered other sons, with one being Evan Ross. I wondered if I should post the below, but thought what the ‘ell. MJ evidently wants folks to speculate on and find some things out, because one of the things he is about proving is, “Not so fast.” “There are many reasons I wanted my Privacy.” “Now, you will discover the man you never knew and/or thought you knew if interested.” He knows with the Net, folks will research and talk. MJ probably read up on some of those MJ/DR threads years ago. He’s up on the Net. Don’t believe some of that foolishness with some saying he wasn’t computer savvy. LOL!

There are several forums that have been speaking about MJ/Diana having been in love for years. “Romeo & Juliet”, type of love. Like mentioned above, some have been speaking on it way before 6-25-09. Some are positive this one is MJ’s son, and that one isn’t. By this point, only MJ, any woman in question and God know the truth, for real. Some of us can only speculate, if interested.

A very telling and interesting interview by MJ is below. He wanted to take the entertainment industry and medium/media to new heights, and we know if anyone could do it, he could. He has been saying it for many years. The reality TV craze plus the Internet really did give MJ many ideas, and his OWN brand of freedom. I think he is a lot freer now than ever before, and in big part because of the Net.

http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interviews/geraldorivera.html (http://www.allmichaeljackson.com/interviews/geraldorivera.html)

Excerpt from below site:

“Hey Gavin, I don't mean to bring up the Evan/ La Mike subject again but as I know you are convinced that Evan is Mike's son, I thought this little information would interest you. I was reading bits of Randy Taraborrelli's unauthorised book on Diana entitled "Call her Miss Ross" and here is what Randy said about Evan's birth.

He said Diana was at the 1987 AMA's heavily pregnant with Ross and later that month Diana gave birth to Ross and she was thrilled of course as that was her first son, then he went on to say about Evan that no one had a clue that she was pregnant with Evan, after all she's only given birth to Ross the month before(there's only a 10 months gap between Ross and Evan, so everyone was really surprised when it was announced that Diana had given birth to another son and Randy quoted that needless to say THERE'S A LOT OF MYSTERY SURROUNDING THE CONCEIVING AND BIRTH OF EVAN ROSS.

what he meant by this I am not too sure, but his mystery comment makes you wonder.”

Below is the link and the post by Gavin where this excerpt is from.

http://www.mjjicommunity.com/general-f6/diana-ross-michael-jackson-t131-130.html (http://www.mjjicommunity.com/general-f6/diana-ross-michael-jackson-t131-130.html)

On this website where they also discuss the MJ/DR thing, I’ll post the next to last page.


Evan comments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgFMX33NFk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgFMX33NFk)

Another may be son is below. B. Howard. He is revamping his website. His previous layout had his music playing, pictures and interviews and the like. One of his pictures had this writing like ‘Off The Wall’, below. His first album, which he says MJ was hands on on, just came out over the summer. It’s called ‘Genesis.’ Anyway, the words on the wall read, as he’s also in the picture standing there with paintbrush in hand.


There was a space and 2nd part had:



‘GAME OVER’ The words were a mixture of capital letters and small. That is how MJ wrote many things.


To be cont.

12-01-2010, 03:02 PM
MJ, the Jacksons and certain others seem to be trying for a Takeover in the entertainment industry. I read that they are being protected by some group. The author thinks MJ passed over, and he said that MJ came to him in a dream.

MJ entered into business deals in Multimedia/Entertainment with a Saudi King or Prince back in the middle 90s. MJ owns a beautiful hotel in Sun City, South Africa, and he has many other holdings and stakes. Some with Arabs and some not. No one can truly imagine all the pots MJ’s hands are in. There are many it’s been reported.

Jermaine married a woman from Afghanistan. Janet has a billionaire boyfriend from Qatar who some speculate she might marry, because she’s called him her soul mate.

From a hoax perspective, we’ve learned approximately how much MJ is worth in money and power. He is huge, before and since dealing with those billionaires in the Middle East. He was never broke. He may not have had liquid cash at the ready all of the time in large sums, but he has always had assets. Some estimate MJ is already worth over 2B and counting.

Some of us are saying Takeover, because that is what appears to be happening in all things in the MJ related world. Some of us think he is appearing and/or has appeared on some recent recordings by his family members. It’s all about family now. “JFD” They are now claiming all of their family members with that Jackson bloodline, and those close to the family, to include extended family, 1st and 2nd cousins and so on. Anthony Jackon is a second cousin and he is close to all of the 2nd generation Jacksons, etc. They’ve been planning it and are in the process of an entertainment music and acting industry takeover. They feel they are from Kings & Queens. Who's to say they aren't? Many of us probably are from way back.

They and especially MJ have studied history, roots/bloodlines, and he’s always loved Africa. Plus, the Jacksons have been aware of the Space/Spaceships since back in the seventies. Someone taught them about Ancient Aliens and the ‘Mothership Connection’ back then, before George Clinton put out the aforementioned song.

MJ and them feel like if no one else wants to put out quality/real music and what not (with live band members) then, “We’ll do it, because we sure know how, ‘cause – ‘This Is How We Do It.’ We learned from the real live pros at Motown, PIR, Chess and etc.” “I thought you knew.” Plus, there are movies, TV shows, award shows and the like that have MJ parallels. One hears his music or the J5's music at different junctures on TV.

The Wiz is available now on Blu-Ray. Captain EO, and on and on. NO ONE else can get all of this done, but MJ. Period! He doesn’t want the money in my opinion. He wants revenge. He wants to show all of his haters and the people that tried to send him to prison, the lame stream media and crooked and corrupt officials that his Name was practically ruined and destroyed on purpose. He is showing how relevant (And a bunch of more adjectives) (and how much of a money-maker) HIS NAME still is and always will be.

It reminds me when in the 'Jacksons – An American Dream' movie; Joe Jackson is talking about leaving Motown, playing Vegas and having a TV show. He says, “We’ll show them. We’ll show everybody.” I personally think MJ uses stuff like that from before. He has never forgotten that. Back then, they thought their father was wrong about some things, but looking back as adults, they see how right he was about a lot of things, and especially MJ. Read the 2005 Geraldo interview and what he says about his father in it. Excuse me!

Their movie has come on numerous times since 6/09, and before that, no one knows when was the last time they showed it as it originally came out in 1992. Some of us think MJ is making sure his and the family’s name and music is kept fresh in the public arena. Not to even mention the online stuff and TMZ. ‘The Big Payback’ is in about the third gear now, I would venture to say. Thank you very much.


MJ has spoken to all of his loved ones from the old school and asked them to start heating up the entertainment industry again by putting out new and real music, going on tours and taking the lead. Supposedly, many folks have and are awakening about the evil side to the entertainment industry, and they want it to stop. There are supposedly two factions in the power base, and the Jacksons are with faction 2. They are on the side where L.O.V.E and S.T.U.D.Y P.E.A.C.E reign supreme.

Janet will not go with another label. She has a billionaire for her man now. They probably will be coming out with a new (Five Brothers Enterprises) music label and/or she can start her own. MJ may still have MJJ Music, which was used for ‘3T's’ music back in the 90s.


Back to B. Howard. He records a CD, and he admits that MJ was hands on for the year it took him to complete and release it. In an interview from Japan in July of this year, he said it had been a year since he’d promised his mother that it would only take him a year to finish it. How was MJ able to help him the last year between 6-9 – 6-10, been hands on and what not, if he’s supposedly dearly departed? Brandon’s CD came out in June 2010.

www.bhowardmusic.com (http://www.bhowardmusic.com/)

Interview by B. Howard below. Miki Howard is his mother. Some think he sounds like Mike and has some of his mannerisms. He lived at Havenhurst for a few years he says, and admits that he spent a lot of time with Mike. It’s been reported that Joe Jackson managed Miki Howard for a while. Some on the hoax website thinks that he is Mike's, could be Joe Jackson’s or Jermaine’s, and some think that he is not MJ’s son. I think he could be Randy’s, but I also think he looks like the man that he says is his father, from the group – ‘Side Effect.’ He’s very close to Genevieve, Randy's daughter. They are in Japan now recording. She sang and danced on a couple of songs from his CD. ‘Super Model’ is one of them.


12-01-2010, 03:03 PM
MJ helped in the studio for Omer’s ‘Wanna Be Startin' Something.’ He probably sang his parts live. It looks like he walks in the studio between :08&:10 seconds.

Sounds like he was on Janet’s song – ‘Nothing.’

He recently helped his nephew Austin some on his new CD.

He asked Tito to get 3T back together.

And Evan has stated that MJ was the one guiding his career in music and with his new CD scheduled to come out before long.

Jackie was just on his son’s song – ‘All I Wanna Do’, and he just recently put out ‘We Know What’s Going On’, with an excerpt from one of MJ’s speeches, which he (MJ) probably just freshly sang.

In the JFD series, Marlon speaks to his son about his music. Marlon Jr. is part of a rap duo or trio.

Then there are some of Jermaine’s sons that sing and play instruments.

And the band played on.

MJ sightings are many also to the hoaxers and have been since the Memorial. LOL!

Jermaine did a tribute show at Planet Hollywood, Las Vegas, in October. His son Jeremy played the guitar. Jermaine Jr. was supposed to sing, but he got sick, yet he did attend to offer support. Anyway, there were several MJ impersonators there. Why would they be there at that event? Why it was probably because MJ was one of them, and was standing near Jermaine at times. Folks have made videos and included this particular one in it, and they swear it is MJ. Those Jacksons are crazy. LOL! Of course, it could be.

MJ was a playa and liked them legs big – ‘eh? LOL! Diana never had big legs, but she had a big booty and thighs at times. Check MJ checking her ‘Brickhouse’ out on the J5 HOF induction on stage. The video is below. And they both have Alabama mamas. Lord have mercy!

He was quoted in his book ‘Moonwalker’ talking a lot about Diana. His song – ‘Dirty Diana’ may be about her some are speculating, and he mentions the name Diana in numerous songs. One poster wrote the below from the Mjboard.com website, page 285, as one example.

“He talk about her a lot In his book and also he put big photos for him with her Mike was so serious about his love for Diana , I mean he said: He was jealous when Diana married !! and a lot of things about her.
(He want THE WORLD know about his TRUE LOVE)”

Some of us as having slaves for ancestors have many so-called bastards and illegitimate children as a part of our family tree and from HIS/HER-STORY. Slaves couldn’t get married for hundreds of years (Yet were made to mate), and when they were able to, guess what they did? Jumped a broom? LOL! So, only God can judge a so-called married heart, good, bad or indifferent. Man made laws. And “Just As Long As We Have Love’, the BS walks. It never sticks.

My thing is, because I believe in the hoax, I can only marvel at Michael Jackson, so I’m ‘Discover the man you never knew”, from the ‘This Is It’, promo.

At MJ’s Memorial, Berry Gordy mentioned that MJ studied the greats and became greater. He was not only talking about the entertainers that came before MJ. I think he meant greater than himself also as it pertained to business practices.

Mr. Gordy sold Motown for about $300 million. MJ has far surpassed that fortune and will continue doing so. B.G. will always top MJ for creating his Motown Empire. If not for it, there would be no MJ. But from a business standpoint, MJ is on top. B.G., and the impact he had on modern music will always outshine MJ’s impact on music, and as it should. But again, MJ has achieved more in the business world. His hand is in many more pots. He learned from the great one, i.e., Mr. Berry Gordy, and he became greater in the sense he was meant to become greater in. I think that is what B.G. meant as it possibly pertained to himself. MJ may have also truly pierced the golden girl’s heart more than he did, and captured it as early as during the filming of the movie – ‘The Wiz?’

I’ll say! Too much.

Notice MJ’s hand at 2:00. Looks like the same shaped hand on Omer’s video at 1:19.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMkMpnmBUqg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMkMpnmBUqg)

We have to give the original props of course. This has always been one of my favorite songs by the Supremes.


Now why she got to sit on Mike’s lap like that and do him like that? LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbBIsXdvrs&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RbBIsXdvrs&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

And how about the below link at the J5 Hall of Fame Induction? The brothers didn’t know Diana was supposed to present them. Notice when they are called and stand up how MJ hugs Diana before going on stage. Notice how he puts his hand in her hair. Notice how he just can’t keep still once they get on stage. He is just so fidgety. He had no idea she would be up there with them. Notice how he checks out her assets especially in the first moment or two on stage. She had his blood rushing. I mean to tell you, he was too thru. You know some would say he was high on drugs. I say, he’s high as a kite in the sky off of his only true love. LOL!

And I cracked up when I saw MJ move that piece of furniture that was in the way. He noticed it straight away, but finally looked at it and thought, “Why is this piece sitting here?” So he moves it over. First of all, he’d been back and back and forth and forth by that piece for almost 5 minutes when finally, he moves it. LOL! He was so silly.


Someone on one of the websites about MJ/DR said that he probably was singing about Diana Ross = ‘Dirty Diana.’ When I saw that video last year, someone commented on YouTube that he was singing about Princess Diana. Someone also pointed out that MJ was calling DR Princess Diana before he knew and became friends with the British Princess. (So many parallels, levels and extents to this story = past, present, future)

I thought upon reading that comment, that for that matter, he could have been singing about DR, and then I forgot about it. Someone broke down all of the lyrics and related them to DR. One lyric = “She likes the boys in the band.” Diana dated a couple of guys from bands (Gene Simmons). The only part that didn’t fit was “the groupie” part, but this person also had an explanation for that line, similar to the fact that Diana had to have followed a couple of boys in the band around to even be in the position of knowing what their world was like.

The bottom line to the song was that, whenever Diana called Michael, whether he was seeing someone else or not, he had to go. He couldn’t help himself around her. He adored her forever. ‘Ain’t No Mountain High Enough’ and all of that.

In the below song – ‘Leave Me Alone’, some wrote that he was angry with her when he wrote it and wanted her to know that he was thru. He was tired of her dogging and jerking him around. Part of the lyrics have this - Ain't No Mountain That I Can't Climb Baby - All Is Going My Way.” Diana's ex husband, the Norwegian was a mountain climber, and he wanted Diana to know and remember what he has done and could still do. LOL!


The ones that have researched this MJ/DR thing swear that for years, they had been speaking to each other thru some of their songs, and that she wrote that ‘I Love You’ CD for MJ, and he eventually knew it. The producer that helped Diana with that album stated that she was insistent that she be involved in every single detail having to do with that CD. He said she had never been like that before or since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_(Diana_Ross_album) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Love_You_(Diana_Ross_album))

http://www.locoporletras.com/letras/diana_ross/i_love_you_thats_all_that_really_matters_.html (http://www.locoporletras.com/letras/diana_ross/i_love_you_thats_all_that_really_matters_.html)

12-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Right before the MJ trial verdict in 2005, Diana is seen wearing a MJ shirt. Someone put a picture of him getting in a car in the 80s where he has her picture on the back of his jacket, so they put both pics together. It’s on one of those websites.

I had heard many years ago that Diana sprung MJ during the filming of ‘The Wiz.” Some might have heard that also. Some posters think that that is definitely when it happened, and that MJ hasn’t been right since, because she's forever in his heart. He’s always loved her, and I remember him saying it before many times. He’s been quoted saying that he loved Diana and always would in numerous interviews and in his book ‘Moonwalker.’ One interviewer asked him if he loved her like a mother, and he said “No, like a lover. I love her and always will.” He said she has always been like a mother, lover and friend. Huh? Diana was quoted saying that at one time Berry Gordy was like a mother, father, sister, brother, lover and friend. So, I see said the blind woman.

Diana for her part was quoted saying that, she would forever be changed after that experience of making the “Wiz.”

http://www.michaeljackson.com/ph/node/903686 (http://www.michaeljackson.com/ph/node/903686)

Some think MJ/DR had an intimate affair off and on for years. In the 1986 video of them receiving an award for “We Are the World”, they said that MJ looked angry and upset, because Diana had just married her Norwegian husband. She’d asked Mike to give her away, but he refused. He was still upset with her, but on stage, she kept near him, and he finally was able to smile. The folks on those MJ/DR websites have posted up every video they could find from TV shows of MJ and DR over the years. And they broke down both body languages. LOL! Those folks are serious on those sites. Check out how many pages there are on the threads, and there are several more forums on the web about them.

I personally don’t think Evan is Mike’s, because his hair was too straight as a toddler and growing up. He should have had like a fro type of doo (Even if it had a little curl to it - a little good hair like we used to call it) and not straight moppy hair. Some know what I mean. I’ve seen half white/black children with nappier hair than Evan had as a child and has now.

B. Howard? I don’t think so either, but again, I don’t get paid for thinking.

Omer? Mos’ def’. Regardless, MJ is very much loved by all of them and his nieces and nephews. He has a heap of nieces and nephews. They followed him around like he was Peter Pan when they were younger it’s been reported, and he played with them and taught them many things.

I just wanted to share with those interested. I will say that yes, I was interested when I started reading about MJ/DR a while back. Say what? LOL!

Check out how Diana ends her tribute to MJ during her concerts here lately. At the beginning, she calls him “My love – Michael Jackson.” And that pic of him holding her around her waist that shows up huge on the screen. I’ll say!

I don’t wish to discuss or debate anything I’ve posted. I may add on, because this is an adventure to many of us. Those on those MJ/DR sites don't believe in the hoax, and I respect that and would never register at those sites. It has never entered their minds that MJ could still be alive. I'm following this because for the Sony promo for 'This Is It', they say that it is an Adventure. How can a movie be an adventure? They say, "You will discover the man you never knew." I didn't discover anything new about MJ whilst watching that movie. But since 6-25-09, I've discovered a lot, because it is an adventure. Like Jermaine stated at the 'This Is It' premiere, "This is it, but this is not it." Leave it to Jermaine.

If someone wants to start a topic on MJ/DR in the Motown section, please do. Remember, some of this is just my opinion, and I’ve mentioned that some of it is others’ opinions. Please respect mine as I would yours.

I’ve always loved them both. Half a homies. LOL!

P.S. MJ is the one starting any 'Controversy' we may read or hear about. "Just because you see it on TV or read it in a magazine don't make it factual." Plus, it keeps his name in the news.

Just saying – ‘Say – Say – Say!’ “Cause this is Thriller”

12-01-2010, 07:12 PM

I meant to post the below. My bad!


12-01-2010, 11:08 PM
Oh God help us she's back. LMFAO at all of the above postings.

mj4evah made more sense than poor Hula Girl.

12-03-2010, 10:05 AM
Oh God help us she's back. LMFAO at all of the above postings.

mj4evah made more sense than poor Hula Girl.

OMG....I forgot about mj4evah. Now, that was ONE loose cannon!

12-04-2010, 11:33 AM
OMG. Let me start one. The Pope got stopped for speeding in his Pope mobile, when he passed Santa and his sleigh on the right on his way to the moon. The traffic cop was one of the Andantes who was filling in while the regular cop was vacationing in Mexico. The Pope's driver refused to accept the ticket from a replacement cop and was immediately handcuffed by the Easter Bunny who was off duty at the time. There was a video of this encounter on You Tube but the tooth fairy had it removed

12-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Hey All,

I had to post the below. I haven't laughed so hard in a minute. Possibly because I had just posted up the MJ/DR stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0v3Bwc5SY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0v3Bwc5SY)

Please excuse the curse words, and you may want to turn the music down. And please excuse my errors. I intend to edit them soon, as I know I've tried to clean it up at least three times.

MJ is also trying to give it time so he can progressively clear his name. He also adored this man.


I'm still trying to wrap my brain around this thing. Look how strong MJ stood along side Diana. He couldn't keep his eyes off of her.


01-14-2011, 05:49 PM
Hey All,

First of all, I'd like to apologize for some bogus data I posted in my last post.

And before I forget, I noticed for the Jacksons movie - in the credits, it had KJ Films. I saw the small print at first and thought it was MJ Films. My Bad.

Secondly, I posted that B. Howard said that his father was the man from the group 'Side Effect', and I don't know where I got that from. I never read or heard him say that. My 'Super Bad.'

And of course, I misspoke when I posted that Diana wrote that 'I Love You', CD for MJ. I meant to post that she dedicated it to him. LOL!

And, where was I getting the "it's been reported", from. LOL! I should say, that I read it or what not, although at times, things are reported, but we know we can't believe everything that's been reported or what we read.

I am truly sorry for any errors and wrong relating.

If one clicks on B. Howard's website - wait until the third picture comes up and you'll see - Victorious - ENTERTAINMENT - REVENGE. They left the other off. They think they are slick. 'I'm Telling You', the Jacksons are courageous and crazy.

www.bhowardmusic.com (http://www.bhowardmusic.com/)

I'd also said that us hoaxers had found out that MJ is worth orver $2B. Well, I knew that didn't sound right, because I forgot that I read that in 2006 - "it had been reported", LOL - that MJ was worth over $4B from working with Saudi Arabia's Prince al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz al-Saud/Kingdom Entertainment.

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14738&p=246172&hilit=saudi+prince#p246172 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=14738&p=246172&hilit=saudi+prince#p246172)

http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15985 (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=15985)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=f7MwTYKlDIWglAflz6TdCg&ved=0CE0QvwUoAQ&q=beatles+catalog+worth+%2430+billion+-+book&spell=1 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&&sa=X&ei=f7MwTYKlDIWglAflz6TdCg&ved=0CE0QvwUoAQ&q=beatles+catalog+worth+%2430+billion+-+book&spell=1)

Notice how some want to turn the $30 Billion that the Beatles Catalog is worth around to = $30 Million. Talkin' 'bout slowpokes. They just didn't/don't want to imagine that MJ's catalogs could be worth so much. Some don't/didn't want the world to know how much MJ was worth back then, and of course, they wanted him dead. But he 'Escaped', with his works. Thank God! The Ultimate Judge. The One & Only! The Most Merciful! The Best Knower!

And MJ had enough power where he has always told Forbes to keep my name off of your list, and/or the evil perpetrators told them to. LOL!

I think MJ is running a lot of things in the music industry behind the scenes. Some think he was V in the movie - V for Vendetta. He has been saying that he wanted to do film for years - and some think he was dabbling in it before his trial ended. I was wondering where he had been when Geraldo welcomed him back in the 2005 interview.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=v+for+vendetta+movie+michael+ jackson&aq=f (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=v+for+vendetta+movie+michael+ jackson&aq=f)

And I wonder if MJ was singing to Diana in the below tune? He dedicated 'Remember The Time', to her - and numerous other songs and reissues. LOL! He wrote 'Dirty Diana' in 1983 - but released it in 1987, so maybe he had to wait until he released a new album - 'Bad', before he got her back - and she still was acting up four years later. LOL!

His 'Invincible' CD from where the below song is from is masterful IMO. I got it last year - and feel it is wonderful.

And I cracked up to see MJ get jealous at Lionel Richie at the 1986 AMAs. Old Lionel didn't act like he wanted to let Diana go after that hug between them. It appeared as if Diana was trying to break free from Lionel. LOL! And this was the exact time when MJ was upset with her for getting married, and he still was jealous, and she still was trying to get to MJ - and practically had to snatch away from Lionel. LOL!

I wonder if Lionel tried to get w/Diana during their 'Endless Love' duet - and she told MJ about it? Lionel stated last year or in 2009 that MJ stopped speaking to him for years and he didn't know why. He said then in 2007, he saw MJ in the audience for one of his shows - and MJ came backstage afterwards - and they made up. But he didn't provide the reason why MJ stopped speaking to him since the nineties until then? Wow! I bet I know what it had to do with. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_myPklSHZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_myPklSHZg)

I know she wasn't singing to MJ for the song below - for it came out in 1970 - but it fit over the years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNIhHJjDa-k&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNIhHJjDa-k&feature=related)

This one was for MJ.

http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_716/diana-ross/tpx_2073315 (http://www.whosdatedwho.com/tpx_716/diana-ross/tpx_2073315)

MJ wrote 'Muscles' for her - and some on one of those MJ/DR forums said that MJ said that Muscles was the name of his pet reptile snake - and some said that no - it was about MJ's own personal snake. Oops - did I repeat that? LOL!

Those two have always been a mess it appears.

And I love the below clip of these two. Who knew? MJ is alive - so I think he and Diana are together and possibly married. Someone asked Ross would he like it if MJ's children became his siblings - and this was after 6-25-09 if I'm not mistaken - and he supposedly answered - "They already are." Say what? It's probably on google.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGTOu59lIg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrGTOu59lIg)

Last - but never least.

Check the below - and please click on the second link at least.

http://www.tmz.com/search/articles/murray%20son%20on%20a%20beach/1/ (http://www.tmz.com/search/articles/murray%20son%20on%20a%20beach/1/)

The second link is tied to the thread on hoax forum below. It is seriously worth the read. Afterwards, you'll crack up.

The judge that played the judge in that rented courtroom for one of Murray's (MJ's) earlier hearings had a yellow cab and trash cans -(just like in 'The Wiz') on his desk. That same judge was on the beach with Murray below. The hoaxers pointed him out - and have found things like this for over a year.

These people are actors, the courtroom is rented - and etc. A lot of us think many of these pics were taken before 6-25-09 - and MJ uses them at will when he sees fit. Murray has three or four serious relationships with women - and he is different sizes, one light hand and one dark - and on and on. LOL!

The entire thread is fantastic - but I want to post the page on link with the judge in it - because it is the same judge like mentioned above. Please read the entire thread to understand how brilliant MJ is - and probably Papa Joe too. MJ would not have nor could have pulled this off without some of Papa's input - and his parents approval, (and family) period!

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12855&hilit=murray+son+on+a+beach&start=75 (http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=12855&hilit=murray+son+on+a+beach&start=75)

And then the below You Tuber has always been on point since the beginning of the "Hoax."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMELwMDzGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaMELwMDzGs)

"Live your life off the wall." "Dooooooo - what you want to do - there are no rules - it's up to you."

01-14-2011, 08:00 PM
Do you realize (I looked at the link) that even if Mike were living and reappeared he could get some serious jail time for faking his death. I think he is gone.

01-18-2011, 06:16 PM
Hey All,

Check out the below. The third and fourth links are from the same You Tuber that I had posted a video by in previous post, if interested. Tuber wants folks to watch them in order, but mannnnn, the second one of the lot is hot, and I’d watch it first.

B. Howard mentions MJ was hands on. Notice how he laughs after saying it. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbB6SGl5KLo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbB6SGl5KLo&feature=related)

MJ at Planet Hollywood?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTZwParwBI&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTZwParwBI&feature=related)

Links to Hoax videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68&feature=related)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVSRzoKiA68&feature=related)

I bet the below is MJ's favorite Stevie song.


Please scroll down to see a great photo of some of the biggest players from Motown. LOL! Check how Diana is peeping at Michael. I do declare!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwZSyGHqJQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwZSyGHqJQ)

Check out below inspirational article.



01-18-2011, 06:44 PM

The articles flipped. Here is the one I meant, further down the page.

"For those who think 2010 was a significant year of change, hang on! Before 2011 is over, we will look back at 2010 and think we were standing still.

Many will rightly ask, "On what do you base this prediction?"

According to the best interpretation of Mayan Calendar information, the entire ninth step in the evolution of consciousness will take place in 260 days: basically, from March through October 2011. Unlike most Mayan calendar teachers, Dr. Carl Calleman does not buy into the December 21, 2012 theories. He studied the information as a scientist, and came to a different conclusion, with October 28, 2011 being the completion date. Many other teachers who have looked at his information are in agreement. I am one of those, purely on the basis of resonance.

Each of the nine steps in the evolution of consciousness has a theme. The theme for the eighth step that we are just completing is that ethics and integrity would overtake the lust for power and greed. I think it's fair to say that we have witnessed many examples that capture even mainstream attention in regard to the financial system of the world, a system rife with fraud and corruption. Once something becomes known, it can never again be stuffed back into the box. What is revealed is revealed; and the lies will no longer work. This is not to say that there are no longer any people who believe the lies. Many are so set in their ways that they would not recognize the truth if you beat them over the head with it. Their disillusionment will continue in 2011; at least until.... (We'll get to that soon.)

The theme for 2011 is conscious co-creation. Together, we will be creating an entirely new system based on the paradigm of openness and transparency. It is also a paradigm of unity.

Unity is difficult to imagine when you look at the world around us. Opinions are as diverse as the multitude of perspectives from which we view reality. How can we possibly attain unity within such a diverse field of experience and observation?

There have always been unseen energies that impinge upon our visible reality. Many world religions have referred to these energies as angels. In more modern vernacular, these are referred to as extraterrestrials, or ETs for short. Those who look at the evidence, going way back in human history, come to the conclusion that there are many ancient records of Earth being visited by beings from the sky. Many cultures referred to these visitors as gods.

Open-minded scientists and researchers in today's world recognize an exponential increase in the activity of beings from other dimensions that are involved in events happening now on planet Earth. Yes, there has been a strong desire to keep this information from the public on behalf of the powers that be – the proverbial Man behind the curtain. However, many nations have already released their UFO files to the public. The United States still has not followed suit, with its leaders grasping with great determination to prevent widespread disclosure from occurring. What are they afraid of?
The truth is, our history, as we have been told it, is a lie. From the very foundations of world religions to the structures of modern governments, the truth has not been told. Irrefutable evidence and revelation of facts will transform everything. Perhaps that will be the big change in 2011. Disclosure, not only of the of the fact that we are not alone in the universe, but more importantly the reality of the deep involvement of ETs throughout our history, will shift the paradigm of reality virtually overnight. Faced with undeniable proof, mankind will have little choice but to see the world with new eyes. It will be the overwhelming display, often referred to as first contact, of ET presence that will create unity very quickly.

Not everyone is ready to buy into this; nevertheless, the critical mass has already been exceeded. What is the critical mass? Scientists tell us it is the square root of 1% of the world's population, although I have also read that it's 1/10 of 1%. Rounded off to the nearest thousand, that would be either 80,000 or 8000 people*. That's all it takes to shift the entire human race; and both numbers have been far exceeded already. From a biblical perspective, perhaps it's the 144,000, that enigmatic number that brings the Kingdom of Heaven to earth. In truth, I think even that number has been exceeded. Whatever the number, we have crossed the threshold of the point of no return. The Word has been made flesh, and the manifestation of the Golden Age is here now, unfolding day by day.

As a seer, I can sense the struggle taking place right now in the human population. I know how hard it is for people of many faiths to even consider the possibility that some of their precious doctrines may be in error. Nevertheless, incongruent beliefs will, of necessity, fall apart. So much that has been built into our belief systems has been included for a specific purpose: to disempower the average person and keep them subservient to the control of those who would be masters over them.

The big lie has been easy to sell, since it coincides so well with our physical observation. That lie is separation. I look at my body; then I look at yours. Obviously, we are not one. I am me; and you are you. And every other person is also separate from me and you. However, this paradigm presupposes that only that which is visible is real. Modern mystics, called quantum physicists, have demonstrated scientifically that the world we see is only a small fraction of the world that exists. In other words, reality is mostly invisible to us."


01-18-2011, 06:45 PM
That which we have been unable – and in many cases unwilling – to see is going to be made abundantly clear to everyone as the invisible becomes more obvious. Can you see, or at least begin to see, how quickly this revelation will be able to shift everything? It will be as if higher compartments of our minds are suddenly opened, revealing our blind spots. Most of us will ask ourselves: "Why couldn't I see this before? It's so obvious!" ...

Everything in its time!

The hidden treasure within each of us will soon be revealed to all except the most hardhearted and stubborn minded individuals. That treasure is what the world religions have always pointed to. It is the Christ, or the Divine within each of us. Can you begin to imagine what we will be able to create together, knowing that the God Spirit is in everyone; and it has never had anything to do with one's religion? Whether you can imagine it yet or not, this is what will happen, or at least begin to happen on a large scale in 2011. This is why 2011 will make 2010 look as if it wasn't going anywhere; yet, in truth, each step in the evolution of consciousness builds for the next step. Everything that ever has been, has been building to a grand climax of ecstatic revelation: the revelation of Christ as ALL and in all.

The promises of God are: Yes… and Amen (so be it). The Creator has always had a purpose for Creation. That purpose has not always been easy to determine, and even more difficult to see. As the plan has unfolded, most of us have only been able to see the chaos. Conflict has seemed to rule the day; and making sense of the whole thing has been well-nigh impossible. Yet, those who have been able to see from the other side have always told us that there was meaning. These were able to see, if only in flashing glimpses, that a grand plan was underway. We've called them prophets or shamans; and each of them with an honest heart always told what they felt, saw or heard. They have spoken in every culture and in every age. They were the Voice of God, inspired to speak to their generation.

I'm not about to tell you that any of them were perfect – far from it. They were men and women, just like you and me, who had to deal with all of the perplexities of their individual lives and still make sense of their dreams and visions that often contradicted what they saw in the physical world. These are those that have held the dream alive within the human family. As the Spirit of the Living God brings these gifted men and women together, a new world will be born. These are the co-creators responsible for the time in which we live; for we are the ones that have searched for a city that has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. We are the ones who have often been despised and rejected of men.

Yet, in a very real sense, we are only eyes in the body. We are important, yes, we are. However, we cannot do it alone. Everyone must find his and her part in this Body of Humanity that is being transformed, day by day, in ways that will manifest more clearly in 2011. We are talking about a new humanity here. That which was impossible before will be soon possible again. We're about to see the Son of God with new eyes; and as I look at this beautiful creature made without hands, my eyes fill with tears. The whole cosmos marvels at the magnificence of the Word Made Flesh, multiplied to infinity – a multitude that no man can number (or at least count). To me, this is the real meaning of the second coming of Christ. And all the world shall see Him, and be like Him.
Let each with eyes to see and a heart to love rejoice. The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. 2011 is our year. "Behold, I make all things new!" says the Lord Most High. Namaste."

* I stand corrected. I had thought I checked this at 1/10 of 1% of 7 billion people and came up with a little more than 8,000. That is not correct. The square root of 1% of 7 billion people is 8,367. The former number was not right; it is 1%, not 1/10 of 1%. The estimated population, however, is 6.67 billion; and the squart root of 1% is 8,167.

© by Ron Van Dyke, Paradox Publications,Wednesday, December 29, 2010. All rights reserved

01-19-2011, 02:53 AM
I wanna know if anybody read all of THAT!

01-19-2011, 05:16 AM
lord have mercy..time for a mental health check..a cuckoo just flew over the nest...

01-19-2011, 05:35 AM
Rob-Certainly not me. I only came to look cos I saw that Simon was the last poster....and I think he summarised it pretty well for me to decide whether to spend any more time on this thread.

01-21-2011, 12:50 PM
Hey All,

Love the below piece. I've had it since I lived in Virginia. I think it was one of the first pieces I saved to my favorites.


Check out the below. That's what I was talkin' 'bout. 'This Is It.'


Great song.


And of course, these are superb.




02-15-2011, 04:43 PM
Hey All,

I'm posting the below for the ones interested and with open minds. Please read the entire thing, and you'll discover more about the man - Michael Jackson.

Serenitys_Dream is a great contributor to the hoax site, but of course, I don't agree with everything she's posted for almost twenty months. For instance, she has the nerve to insinuate that Joe Jackson may not be Michael's father, and that he was conceived by immaculate.............how..................? She does know her research though for real, and especially about spirituality and religious symbolism.

I've only been reading on the site for over a year now. I left because I knew that I was getting ready to be banned for some of my fiery views. LOL!

I'll post the last page first for the "what in the world" factor. The entire thread is something else as, MJ is.




I had to buy the 'I Love You' CD, by the way. I love it! I suppose one has to really like, love and/or appreciate a singer in the first place to figure that one will appreciate most songs on a CD that one hasn't heard said singer sing. I just have always loved Diana's singing. "When you love - you don't count. It's no mystery. The love is meant to be shared. Yeah - and 'Let It be'."

I also remember when MJ's verdict was being readied to be read, I turned all the TVs off in the house, told my daugther to turn her's down, and not to tell me the results even if he was acquitted. I decided to listen to music, and I didn't know what I was going to listen to, but right as I approached the hutch, I thought - I want to listen to Diana Ross's greatest hits. Listening to them surely helped and healed my soul, spirit and heart during the waiting and praying. I didn't tune in to the news until almost forty minutes after the verdict was read.

Oh - the power of music and love, and as I once said - "Music is one of the closest things to God." MJ can testify to that.




02-15-2011, 04:49 PM

I forgot this pic. It is on the thread I posted above.

Notice the pendant is the pose MJ's strikes in 'This Is It.' He also rocks one the shape of Africa.

02-15-2011, 08:17 PM
Oh Lord.....somebody do a psychiatric intervention here!

02-23-2011, 01:24 PM
Hey All,

The below has got to be the greatest article I've read so far this year. It is just outstanding, and sad.

Like a lady posted on hoax forum - "They treat us like we are - human trash cans." How about the sad truth to the below info?

And we still have some shortsighted folks trying to "the nile" all of this stuff is happening.

"Rising commodity prices will push the 239 million (http://ampedstatus.com/census-bureau-poverty-rate-drastically-undercounts-severity-of-poverty-in-america/) Americans currently living paycheck to paycheck over the edge. Also factor in healthcare costs, which have been skyrocketing even faster. On a personal level, my health insurance provider just notified me that my family has to pay 45% more for coverage – and we already had the world’s most expensive healthcare system. For my wife, one child and myself, we will now have to pay over $1100 per month for a basic health insurance plan."

There are so many people with degrees trying to find employment - and there are just not enough jobs to go around. So surely parents and their children are asking, why should I pay over $80K for an education that I won't be able to use - as this system has been dumbing down the education system in this country for the last several decades.

"Some folks just don't want to see." 'They Don't Really Care About Us.'

God help us.



02-26-2011, 04:21 PM
And Obama was trying to change that, but CORPORATE AMERICA fights, fights and fights. In my home town STARBUCKS ILLEGALLY opened in a Bohemian part of town, with local independant coffee shops. Their BIG BUCKS prevented our council from continuing the legal battle. Every Saturday, however, locals protest outside with banners and so forth. CORPORATE AMERICAN STARBUCKS however complained to the Police, and now, peaceful protesters are threatend with obstruction orders ect. when THEY acted illegally and ignored local planning laws. They are out to destroy local business. .And their coffee is overpriced and CRAP. And they only employ people on minimum wage.

04-01-2011, 04:32 PM

MJ - you are the father.

06-16-2011, 09:41 PM
Hey All,

Caption Pic Backstage J5 HOF Induction:

Michael: “Diana,‘I Can’t Stand Myself When You Touch Me. You may be ‘Invincible’ – but I’m ‘Unbreakable’, Baby.”
Diana: “Michael – Hold up! I need to talk to you before you go.”
Berry Gordy: “What the ‘ell.” LOL!
Barry Gibb: “Watch out there now Diana.”
Gibb brother with hand showing: “Easy girl.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNC72CxJqY&feature=fvwrel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrNC72CxJqY&feature=fvwrel)



So…….there really is a ‘Muscles' - eh? Slap my hand Ralph. LOL!

(http://3.hidemyass.com/ip-3/encoded/Oi8vYmxvZy5hd2VpbnN0aXR1dGUub3JnLzIwMTEvMDIvMDMvdm licmF0aW9ucy5hc3B4)

07-23-2011, 12:22 PM
Hey All,

Stays together. LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COiIC3A0ROM)

Notice on the picture above, they put lipstick on MJ. They were always smearing and lying on him. He didn’t have any lipstick on during induction. “Oops Upside Your Head.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMIzAl_nDo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlMIzAl_nDo&feature=related)

MJ can hit 45 notes they say. And I read that he plays a mean drum – and several other instruments. He sails above a falsetto on the below. Supposedly he worked with Pavarotti, and was working on a Jazz album. Matter = raw potential and energy slowed, indeed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUj9VYzqEg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeUj9VYzqEg)

http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/moors.html (http://blackhistoryjohnmoore.bravehost.com/moors.html)

09-28-2011, 03:53 PM
Hey All,

For the ones interested, the thread below is from someone that has been posting on the board practically since the beginning of this HOAX called TS. The DA called out “The Sign” in courtroom yesterday, and it was pointed out that some thought that TS stood for the same. Some think TS is MJ himself or one of his brothers. If you want to catch up real fast, I’d advise you to read the entire thread, but I posted it from page 6. Souza, who owns the website, always makes some excellent points as she does on this thread.

Many of us think Michael is performing “The Greatest Show on Earth.” Some of us think that MJ has already ascended and is an Ascended Master and an Enlightened Being. In other words, he has ascended to the fifth dimension or higher, but decided to stick around on earth in order to guide others to the light (but can still ascend at anytime). It may sound fanciful, but some of us have learned to believe the unbelievable, as we live within the illusion of life in duality – and within the matrix stuck in the middle in 3-D. And that “truth is stranger than fiction” and all of that.

I’ve read up on “Time Travel”, and I’ve read that one man said that he was teleported back to the 1800s and witnessed how people lived in real time as pioneers and/or part of a wagon train traveling west. (Google - examiner.com (space) time travel) If there is such a thing, and I think that there is, then this means that HIStory has been written like some have reported for over 26,000 years – and of course, we human beings have never been taught our true history. We supposedly according to the Mayans and others are living in “the end times.” This doesn’t mean though that the world will end for those of us that are awake, aware and alert or for those of us that have opened or are still opening the 4th Heart Chakra. Supposedly, the earth will split into planets A and B. The ones that are awake and don’t live in fear will ascend to the 5th dimension.

Paris Jackson even has written about the date 11-11. A portal to other dimensions will open on 11-11-11. It is a very significant date, as it will usher in higher energies and frequencies on route to 12-12-12 at 11:11 a.m., when a mass ascension will take place. It will happen because the poles will shift. It is inevitable, and the media doesn’t want us to know about this marvel. They want to keep us, dumb, deaf and blind to the truth. They want us to remain on planet B still in 3-D – to further our enslavement. (Article below) Prince Jackson has an alien playing pool as his avatar on his Twitter page. Omer recently tweeted ASCENSION in capital letters on his twitter page. And my God, please look up Donte Jackson’s twitter to access his Tumblr account. I think MJ gathered them before this hoax (possibly a couple of years before) and hipped them to many things to include these “end times”, in order to guide them and us to the LIGHT. In - 'This Is It', he said “we have four years to get it right.” I think in the mist of the rehearsing for the Movie (and not the concerts, because that was an illusion, as he never intended to tour), they did most of it in 2008.

Many of us think that this is an Alternate Realty Game (GAME OVER) (ARG) being perpetrated by the man himself, Michael Joe Jackson, and a movie - as IMDB had at one time - "The Conrad Murray Documentary" - Directed by Michael Jackson - after 6-25-09. It may still be there, as it was removed shortly after it was found on page. Of course, us hoaxers have added up and listed all of the inconsistencies from the beginning. MJ is punking the media big time. He is and has been trying to wake us up all of these years to how fake the media is, how they lie – and how many human beings all over the world believe what they’re told by the lying media. Remember he has the wherewithal and contacts to get this done. He is a Brilliant man. He approached Berry Gordy, Lionel and Stevie, et al and told them about his hoax plans. I think Diana tried to talk him out of it, as she sings about the fact that sometimes they disagree. MJ wasn’t hearing it. Matter-of-fact, please go back to the video part of the below EMI Catalog website link – and at the end of the video, one see’s the words “MAN – HAT – TAN.” TAN/HAT/MAN. Many of us think MJ showed up at his own memorial as TANHATMAN. Wow! This proved to me how long he has planned this – and that Diana knows. Why after the video ends and one is getting ready to close the page do these words show up? Sure, MANHATTAN Records distributed the CD – but EMI also was involved, so why wasn’t EMI in large letters at the end? Besides, Diana just sang her heart out last night. DOC Murray on trial for killing her baby – and she can still stand and sing strong. At Memorial, Smokey read the letter she wrote for the public concerning Michael’s "passing." Part of it had – “Thank you Mr. and Mrs. Jackson for sharing Michael with the world and with me.” Huh? With me? She should have just said for sharing him with the world.


http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.100.html (http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/topic,20587.100.html)

Lastly, I promise that this will be my last post on this trial and 2012. Not trying to get anyone to think or to believe like me, just sharing with the ones that are interested. I have always come from this place. Those that have known of me since I’ve been posting on this board know that this is true. If this may be my last post, it was truly wonderful posting my thoughts, insights and perceptions, along with reading up on Soulful Detroit. I truly appreciate you all – and I love you. It (LOVE) has always been within us and is the answer. It truly has always been the KEY.

By the way, Omer put out a song and video recently called, “Life Is a Movie (On youtbe).” I’ll say! It (Life) is a dream. It is a game. It is an illusion. The only thing that has always been real is that we (Humans) are already multidimensional beings – and we have always (or should have always been) one with God and the Universe. I’m ready for the next level, as there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Let the sunshine (LIGHT) in – indeed! I’ve been ready and am looking forward to becoming a Fully Conscious Being of Light in a NEW REALITY where there will be absolutely no materialism, as this REALITY has been chock full of – as has fame and fortune always been an illusion with some following "the yellow brick road."

Sorry if I seem all over the place, for I wrote this in a hurry. The hoax website pages may load slowly, but they’ll be swifter later this evening. Remember in MJ’s Moonwalker Smooth Criminal video and song - he sings about DOC Murray.

http://fkyahdianaross.tumblr.com/ (http://fkyahdianaross.tumblr.com/)

Some interesting pieces below – and on initial link.

http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/breaking-astral-news/themagneticpoleshiftiscominginthisfallaspartofeart hsascension (http://www.stankovuniversallaw.com/breaking-astral-news/themagneticpoleshiftiscominginthisfallaspartofeart hsascension)

http://vimeo.com/27240681 (http://vimeo.com/27240681)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsWlq-9Nq4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsWlq-9Nq4)

09-28-2011, 06:24 PM
I'm not entirely certain what your agenda is, but you do seem to be over-posting just a tad. We do care that you are free to express your opinions here at SD, but this is a little over the top and I am requesting that you cease for the time being.