Jean Terrell...what happened?

[luke]

I just watched Jean doing a star turn singing Wind Beneath My Wings on you tube. I think at her prime she could have been in the leagues of Streisand..what the heck happened? ?. .just not that interested?.

[antceleb12]

I just watched Jean doing a star turn singing Wind Beneath My Wings on you tube. I think at her prime she could have been in the leagues of Streisand..what the heck happened? ?. .just not that interested?.

She's a Jehovah's Witness. Partly due to her beliefs, she opted not to promote the album in particular ways, limiting career advancement. She continued a career in music, obviously, with FLOS, but chose not to continue the road many musicians take in the music industry.

[milven]

I just checked out the video. The quality of the video is poor but Jean's voice and interpretation of the song is great. How old is this? Could this be from the short time that she was with the FLOS?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62ydYOZsg7A

[luke]

I believe performance was after her solo album and pre flos. She had been in wild honey with freddie during this times as well I think.

[marv2]

I believe performance was after her solo album and pre flos. She had been in wild honey with freddie during this times as well I think.

Yeah, you're right Luke. That show that this clip is from was in 1981 in Atlanta
I believe.

Luke, Jean Terrell was never in the group Wild Honey.

[supremester]

Jean is a talented singer, but I don't see anything beyond that in her performance here - certainly nothing that would bring her to the level of Babs . Jean has very ardent fans but with the amount of exposure she had in her 3.75 years as lead singer of The Supremes, she didn't seem to attract much industry attention. Clive Davis, Neil Bogart, David Geffen all were looking for black females and didn't, to my knowledge, go to Jean. I don't think her voice is any more distinctive than a dozen other talents like Stephanie Mills, Evelyn King etc. I much prefer Jean's read on this over Bette's, but Gladys, IMHO, owns this lock, stock and barrel. To me, Jennifer Hudson could be a Streisand - and she can barely pay her bills as a singer. No one buys her records and she's not a draw live.

[luke]

Many Jehovah Witnesses and religious people have successful careers.

[marv2]

Many Jehovah Witnesses and religious people have successful careers.

Wasn't Michael Jackson a Jehovah Witness? I don't buy that as the central cause for Jean Terrell not having longer, stronger solo career. I think Jean Terrell is a better singer than Barbara Striesand and is definitely more versatile. I would not be foolish enough to compare Jean's greatness to artists I also love but are not on her level like an Evelyn Champagne King. IF you truly listened to their voices and the variety of music Jean's recorded, you'd be embarrassed to compare her with people like that. I rank Jean among the level of Aretha, Mahaila, Dionne, etc.

Jean as talented as she is, did not want to deal with the crap that comes along with a career in show business. She wanted to sing and sing pretty. She had a moody personality.

[antceleb12]

Many Jehovah Witnesses and religious people have successful careers.

The point is that is why SHE chose not to go down that road.

[marv2]

The point is that is why SHE chose not to go down that road.

No offense, but what road? What was Herb Alpert and A&M Records going to ask her to do.....strip? I really don't get it about being Jehovah Witness and recording and performing.

[carlo]

I don't know if this is true, but there is a rumour out there that because of Jean's faith, she never felt comfortable embracing her gay fan base. Some have said this is why she left the FLOS, as she did not want to perform at certain venues and events. It could be possible these were her feelings in the 70's as well. Although we should also recognize that feelings and people's acceptance change over time. If she ever felt this way towards her gay fans, I doubt she still has these feelings today, as she would not have come out for the 70's Anthology signing, etc.

Also, I'm sure leaving Motown did not help her. Staying with them would not have helped either, but the industry is so political...

It's a shame her A&M album didn't fair better. It remains to be one of my favourites.

[bradsupremes]

I never really bought into the religion theory. Didn't Lynda also become a Jehovah Witness? Yet she's still out there performing.

Personally I think it was Jean's personality and her overall views of the recording industry. I've heard several stories about Jean not wanting to sing certain things or go out and perform because she was under-the-weather. Can you imagine how many shows would have been canceled if one of the ladies didn't want to perform because she had a headache? I think she was difficult to work with at times. Especially after how Motown stopped pushing the Supremes around 1972. It tarnished things for her, in my opinion. Jean may not have left the group had Motown continued the push and promotion as they had when she joined, but when a company begins to neglect you, your views and attitude change on everything. It's a shame because Jean was one of the most talented and gifted singers. You can have all the talent in the world, but if you're difficult and stubborn it's hard for people to want to work with you.

I heard a couple of theories on why Jean left the FLOS...

[marv2]

The I never really bought into the religion theory. Didn't Lynda also become a Jehovah Witness? Yet she's still out there performing.

Personally I think it was Jean's personality and her overall views of the recording industry. I've heard several stories about Jean not wanting to sing certain things or go out and perform because she was under-the-weather. Can you imagine how many shows would have been canceled if one of the ladies didn't want to perform because she had a headache? I think she was difficult to work with at times. Especially after how Motown stopped pushing the Supremes around 1972. It tarnished things for her, in my opinion. Jean may not have left the group had Motown continued the push and promotion as they had when she joined, but when a company begins to neglect you, your views and attitude change on everything. It's a shame because Jean was one of the most talented and gifted singers. You can all the talent in the world, but if you're difficult and stubborn it's hard for people to want to work with you.

I heard a couple of theories on why Jean left the FLOS...

There were two reasons why Jean left the FLOs and neither has been mentioned here.

[Crystaledwards]

There were two reasons why Jean left the FLOs and neither has been mentioned here.

And for the record, neither had anything to do with Lynda Laurence.

CE

[marv2]

And for the record, neither had anything to do with Lynda Laurence.

CE

Says you.............

[antceleb12]

No offense, but what road? What was Herb Alpert and A&M Records going to ask her to do.....strip? I really don't get it about being Jehovah Witness and recording and performing.

Don't shoot the messenger. This is just what I have read. What road? I do not know. All I know is that apparently Jean was uncomfortable doing certain things to promote her career. The music industry isn't exactly a pious one, so its easy to imagine what Jean could possibly have been asked to do that she might not have been comfortable with. I don't know.

[milven]

And for the record, neither had anything to do with Lynda Laurence.

CE
Can the two reason be shared with us?

[marv2]

Can the two reason be shared with us?

CrystalEdwards just proved to me what I already knew and what I mentioned to you in another thread. That being that there are some here that cannot take the truth so I am go to decline going any further on this particular subject. Sorry.

[marv2]

Don't shoot the messenger. This is just what I have read. What road? I do not know. All I know is that apparently Jean was uncomfortable doing certain things to promote her career. The music industry isn't exactly a pious one, so its easy to imagine what Jean could possibly have been asked to do that she might not have been comfortable with. I don't know.


Let's just face it. Jean, I love her and her talent, but she has an attitude that does bode well in the entertainment industry. Now I don't want her calling me about what I just said! LOL!!!!

[Crystaledwards]

CrystalEdwards just proved to me what I already knew and what I mentioned to you in another thread. That being that there are some here that cannot take the truth so I am go to decline going any further on this particular subject. Sorry.

Well done. As the old saying goes, a closed mouth catches no flies.

CE

[Crystaledwards]

Lol strip.lol.. It would be nice to hear jean s' take on all this. I never read her saying it was religion..Someone once posted here that he heard her say she wouldn't do an encore at a flos reunion concert and LL said she'd never work as a Flo again.

The Lynda Laurence rumor you reference is simply not true. As for getting Jean Terrell's take, on all of this, well I wouldn't hold your breath.

CE

[Crystaledwards]

Can the two reason be shared with us?

Privately if you wish.

CE

[kenneth]

I loved Jean's voice and on some performances, she was simply unbeatable, "5:30 Plane," "This is the Story," "Bridge Over Troubled Waters," "Up the Ladder to the Roof." But too often it seemed to me her voice lacked emotional range. It had color but didn't seem to vary much based on the song or lyrics. She seemed to sing a song like "Nathan Jones" the same as she sang "Your Wonderful Sweet Sweet Love" or "Stoned Love." While she sang on some great records, and some of them were great because of her, it seemed she needed someone like Frank Wilson or Jimmy Webb to really push her creatively speaking, to go a little over the top, which is where I think her talent was most felt.

[marv2]

I loved Jean's voice and on some performances, she was simply unbeatable, "5:30 Plane," "This is the Story," "Bridge Over Troubled Waters," "Up the Ladder to the Roof." But too often it seemed to me her voice lacked emotional range. It had color but didn't seem to vary much based on the song or lyrics. She seemed to sing a song like "Nathan Jones" the same as she sang "Your Wonderful Sweet Sweet Love" or "Stoned Love." While she sang on some great records, and some of them were great because of her, it seemed she needed someone like Frank Wilson or Jimmy Webb to really push her creatively speaking, to go a little over the top, which is where I think her talent was most felt.

I would love to see Jean work with Gamble & Huff and / or Thom Bell. David Foster would have done an excellent job too with Jean in her prime.

[marv2]

Lol strip.lol.. It would be nice to hear jean s' take on all this. I never read her saying it was religion..Someone once posted here that he heard her say she wouldn't do an encore at a flos reunion concert and LL said she'd never work as a Flo again.

Hehehehehehe....... I wouldn't have minded if she did!

[skooldem1]

But too often it seemed to me her voice lacked emotional range. It had color but didn't seem to vary much based on the song or lyrics. She seemed to sing a song like "Nathan Jones" the same as she sang "Your Wonderful Sweet Sweet Love" or "Stoned Love."

I could never put my finger on it, but this is exactly the way I feel about her voice. She is a good singer, but she pretty much sings almost every song the same way.

[BayouMotownMan]

OK it's time to put this to rest. I'm sure one of the FLO's managers will ask that this threat be removed and rightfully so.

Jean's leaving the FLOs was strictly her own choosing as she was tired of the traveling overseas.

Lynda Laurence NEVER said that Jean would not work as a FLO again.

[Crystaledwards]

Lynda Laurence NEVER said that Jean would not work as a FLO again.

Thank you for clarifying this. The Lynda Laurence falsification was intended to deceive and divide Supremes fans and was started by a truly mendacious man.

CE

[BayouMotownMan]

Yes and we know who that is

[jobeterob]

Sorry I'm on holiday! What does mendacious mean? Really manny?

[luke]

I was just reporting what someone said here . Why so defensive? People have arguments all the time. Have no idea if it's true hence I said someone said that.

[Crystaledwards]

I was just reporting what someone said here . Why so defensive? People have arguments all the time. Have no idea if it's true hence I said someone said that.

No one is referring to you sweetie. BayouMotownMan and I are discussing someone known to many here and to some former Supremes as a chronic spreader of untruth, fabricated statements and a farrago of childish wishful thinking.

CE

[supremester]

I have friends - all who "know Jean" who say Jean is anti-gay, gay friendly, tolerant and avoidant on the subject - depending on who you ask. It makes no sense to quit show business because there are gays in the audience - The Osmonds are Mormon and worked with Blacks in the 60's & 70's when The Book Of Mormon still declared blacks to be evil.

Everyone tells me, so I do believe, that Jean hated a lot of the behind-the-scenes work of the business. Her issues with Mary began in the fall of 1970 and grew and grew until she no longer spoke to her at all and, IMHO, acted very unprofessionally toward Mary onstage and off. Regardless of their differences, Jean had an obligation to the group and Motown and was not honoring it. She wasn't making anywhere near the money she expected, hated being compared to Diana Ross [[whom she felt was less talented) and was not happy about being the lead singer of a group in which she had no say whatsoever. Jean was never a Supremes fan in the 60s per se', and really expected to morph the group into a hipper, more soulful group as it's lead. Mary was having none of that, and let the fur fly. Right or wrong, Mary did what she felt best and it just didn't jive with the other Supremes - except Cindy. Jean was not thrilled with Mary wanting more and more leads in the show - especially while denying the same time to Lynda - clearly a strong vocalist in her own right.
I never connected to Jean's voice and like a lot of Supremes fans, quit buying their albums starting with Touch. I dig her on some of the songs, but would not like to hear her for an entire show or album. With all the hits JMC had, the fast erosion of album & ticket sales shows that she was not connecting with the public on a mass level and that had nothing to do with "promotion. " If she had the goods to give Babs a run for her money, she would have. The more exposure on radio & TV that JMC had - the fewer fans they retained.

[supremester]

Mendacious is a falsehood or also a severe phoniness to the point of falsity. I had to look up farrago - great word - it means a weird mix of [[in case you didn't know also.) The things we learn here!

Sorry I'm on holiday! What does mendacious mean? Really manny?

[antceleb12]

Personally, I think the Jean-led Supremes produced some of the best material. Regardless of their problems, they had a pretty solid repertoire.

I've definitely heard about Jean's supposed attitude and difficulties, but from a one-sided perspective. Everyon'es got a different reason for why she was 'difficult.' Until I hear Jean's side, I'm going to take those rumors with a very fine grain of salt.

[marv2]

Personally, I think the Jean-led Supremes produced some of the best material. Regardless of their problems, they had a pretty solid repertoire.

I've definitely heard about Jean's supposed attitude and difficulties, but from a one-sided perspective. Everyon'es got a different reason for why she was 'difficult.' Until I hear Jean's side, I'm going to take those rumors with a very fine grain of salt.

Smart posting Antceleb12 !

[RobertZ]

A simple answer [[from a Jean fan) is: Lots are talented; not everyone is a star. As Bruce says in "20 Feet..." [[I paraphrase) "That 20 feet is a loooooong walk".
BTW: has anyone ever actually seen Jean's dvd "Through The Eyes Of A Supreme"? It seems as much a cipher as Mary Ferrer's next album -

[marv2]

A simple answer [[from a Jean fan) is: Lots are talented; not everyone is a star. As Bruce says in "20 Feet..." [[I paraphrase) "That 20 feet is a loooooong walk".
BTW: has anyone ever actually seen Jean's dvd "Through The Eyes Of A Supreme"? It seems as much a cipher as Mary Ferrer's next album -


I have seen it when it was released in 2005. I bought a couple of copies. Mary Wilson does have an upcoming album, coming.........

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[REDHOT]

I'v said this before, Jean Terrell didn't like Show Business,Jean was gonna leave The Supremes and Motown,it wouldn't matter if they had a hit record,Jean wanted out,she wanted to blame people,including Mary Wilson and Motown,but it was her job to sing and entertain,at that time,Jean could have been a big star,if she wanted it,no one is gonna give it to you,you have to work for it,Jean didn't want to work,so she left,the solo album I Had To Fall In Love,was a good,but it never was finish,so A and M released what they had,Jean didn't promote it,no one is gonna put up with Jean's moods,not Mary Wilson not Motown not A and M records,not even Former Ladies Of The Supremes,i love Jean Terrell,but the world of Show Business was not her thing,The Supremes could have left Motown,Jean would have still left The Supremes.no matter what.

[marv2]

I'v said this before, Jean Terrell didn't like Show Business,Jean was gonna leave The Supremes and Motown,it wouldn't matter if they had a hit record,Jean wanted out,she wanted to blame people,including Mary Wilson and Motown,but it was her job to sing and entertain,at that time,Jean could have been a big star,if she wanted it,no one is gonna give it to you,you have to work for it,Jean didn't want to work,so she left,the solo album I Had To Fall In Love,was a good,but it never was finish,so A and M released what they had,Jean didn't promote it,no one is gonna put up with Jean's moods,not Mary Wilson not Motown not A and M records,not even Former Ladies Of The Supremes,i love Jean Terrell,but the world of Show Business was not her thing,The Supremes could have left Motown,Jean would have still left The Supremes.

Another great post on this subject. Thank you REDHOT remember to please stay positive, cool?

[REDHOT]

Hey Marv,this is the truth,it's has nothing to do with how i feel,it's the truth,i love Jean's work with The Supremes and Motown,even her work after she left,it was always Jean's moods,that got in the way of the work,when money is on the line,again no one is gonna put up with her,trust me, Jean had it her way,thats why she left.

[marv2]

Hey Marv,this is the truth,it's has nothing to do with how i feel,it's the truth,i love Jean's work with The Supremes and Motown,even her work after she left,it was always Jean's moods,that got in the way of the work,when money is on the line,again no one is gonna put up with her,trust me, Jean had it her way,thats why she left.

I know what you said is true [[I posted the same thing above). Sometimes the truth can sound like a put down, but it is not meant to be. It is what it is and you cannot add to or take away from it!

[detmotownguy]

Personally, I think the Jean-led Supremes produced some of the best material. Regardless of their problems, they had a pretty solid repertoire.

I've definitely heard about Jean's supposed attitude and difficulties, but from a one-sided perspective. Everyon'es got a different reason for why she was 'difficult.' Until I hear Jean's side, I'm going to take those rumors with a very fine grain of salt.

Jean added a more soulful dimension to the group IMO. I find here her voice quite pleasing. She along with Mary and Cindy gave us some great music. I am not sure if she if she publicly voiced the reason why she left. Is it true that she was told to be less soulful vocally? I did like when she did let loose vocally.

[antceleb12]

Jean added a more soulful dimension to the group IMO. I find here her voice quite pleasing. She along with Mary and Cindy gave us some great music. I am not sure if she if she publicly voiced the reason why she left. Is it true that she was told to be less soulful vocally? I did like when she did let loose vocally.

You know I've heard that, too. I vaguely remember reading in Mary's book that, at least in the studio, she was asked to keep more strictly to the melody. Obviously she takes a lot more liberties in live performances. She's got an easy-listening soul, but an incredible versatility in her abilities.

This has always been one of my favorite performances of "Stoned Love," performed by, of all people, FLOS [[led by Jean):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8A8MvbnAw

[marv2]

Jean added a more soulful dimension to the group IMO. I find here her voice quite pleasing. She along with Mary and Cindy gave us some great music. I am not sure if she if she publicly voiced the reason why she left. Is it true that she was told to be less soulful vocally? I did like when she did let loose vocally.

You are so right Detmotownguy! Jean Terrell had the ability to be as Soulful as anyone, yet keep a Pop sound. Her voice was brilliant, very unique so that when you heard the Supremes on the radio in the 70s you knew Jean's voice immediately. Combined with Mary Wilson, they were incredible. I loved how DJ's in our area use to Jean and Mary as Super Soul Sisters Supreme! after playing one of their records. I have never heard a bad song by Jean Terrell.

[marv2]

You know I've heard that, too. I vaguely remember reading in Mary's book that, at least in the studio, she was asked to keep more strictly to the melody. Obviously she takes a lot more liberties in live performances. She's got an easy-listening soul, but an incredible versatility in her abilities.

This has always been one of my favorite performances of "Stoned Love," performed by, of all people, FLOS [[led by Jean):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo8A8MvbnAw

Honestly, Jean Terrell was the most versatile female vocalist to record for Motown. It was a very good thing that she was confident about her abilities when she joined the group and the label. They could not play any head games with her because she knew she had the goods! People that had stopped listening to the Supremes back in the mid-60s were won over by Jean's superb vocals. The Supremes with her in the lead were very popular with the college crowd in the 70s.

[detmotownguy]

Honestly, Jean Terrell was the most versatile female vocalist to record for Motown. It was a very good thing that she was confident about her abilities when she joined the group and the label. They could not play any head games with her because she knew she had the goods! People that had stopped listening to the Supremes back in the mid-60s were won over by Jean's superb vocals. The Supremes with her in the lead were very popular with the college crowd in the 70s.

I never forget the response to the new Sups in the neighborhood. I think because Cindy was accepted by the fans and Mary being an original didn't take away with Jean coming as a new member. Her exceptional vocals abilities and confidence on stage sealed the deAl so to speak. They had a new sound that was immediately appealing. I also remember they seemed to appeal to both parents and the "kids". I wasn't even thinking of the 60's hits when JMC hit.

[marv2]

I never forget the response to the new Sups in the neighborhood. I think because was accepted and Mary being an original didn't take away with Jean coming as a new member. Her exceptional vocals abilities and confidence on stage sealed the deAl so to speak. They had a new sound that was immediately appealing. I also remember they seemed to appeal to both parents and the "kids". I wasn't even thinking of the 60's hits when JMC hit.

It also didn't hurt that all three of the Supremes [[Jean, Mary and Cindy) were goodlooking and sexy................on top of sounding like a group again and soulful to boot!

[REDHOT]

You're so right Marv,The Supremes Mary Cindy and Jean were beautiful,Jean Terrell had such a great voice,antceleb that video of former ladies of The Supremes[[jean Scherrie Lynda)that you post, is Jean at her best,you can tell Jean was in a good mood,and Lynda Laurence and Scherrie Payne,were soundin good,that intro Scherrie is not playing around,the whole show is great.

[marybrewster]

I wonder if Jean's issue lies in the fact that, while extremely talented, was stuck in a rut by becoming a "covers" singer.

Jean of course is a SOUL singer; the sugary-pop that the Supremes put out in the 60's aren't exactly a challenge to Jean's vocal abilites. Yet, as a Supreme, she was expected to include these as part of her package. Jean's interpetations of these songs are so far removed from the originals; much to the pleasure, I'm sure, to Jean, and much to the dismay, I gather, from the fans.

Supremes like Lynda and Scherrie, on the other hand, have embraced the Supremes catalog and have long made a career out of singing songs intended of a lead other than themselves.

I wonder if the Jean-lead Supremes would have dropped the "image"; dropped the oooh's and aaah's and became more "current", like Honey Cone or the Three Degrees, if they would have fared better. I mean, even having to wear "old" gowns, as glamorous as they were, had to have been an insult of sorts. "Hanging on to yesterday" certainly didn't help the overall groupings, from 1970 on.

[marv2]

Here are the Three Degrees in the 1971 film "The French Connection". I never understood when people say the Supremes at this same time needed to become more "current" like the Three Degrees [[another group formed in the early 60s) They look like they were imitating the Supremes of the 60s!:


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xew9d0_three-degrees-everybody-get-s-to-go_music

[marv2]

Here they are again in 1976. Explain?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMGo07ZZeAA

[detmotownguy]

I wonder if the Jean-lead Supremes would have dropped the "image"; dropped the oooh's and aaah's and became more "current", like Honey Cone or the Three Degrees, if they would have fared better. I mean, even having to wear "old" gowns, as glamorous as they were, had to have been an insult of sorts. "Hanging on to yesterday" certainly didn't help the overall groupings, from 1970 on.


As a fan, I agree with the above. The 60's stuff, yes historic and ground breaking but....When JMC had those photos with the afros I thought wow! They looked powerful!
However, I thought Mary said that the fans still expected the older hits. I did like the rock edged based stuff JMC did. I think those gowns dated and aged them bit. In the end they were probably caught between the old legacy market and being the new Sups.

[marybrewster]

I wonder if the Jean-lead Supremes would have dropped the "image"; dropped the oooh's and aaah's and became more "current", like Honey Cone or the Three Degrees, if they would have fared better. I mean, even having to wear "old" gowns, as glamorous as they were, had to have been an insult of sorts. "Hanging on to yesterday" certainly didn't help the overall groupings, from 1970 on.


As a fan, I agree with the above. The 60's stuff, yes historic and ground breaking but....When JMC had those photos with the afros I thought wow! They looked powerful!
However, I thought Mary said that the fans still expected the older hits. I did like the rock edged based stuff JMC did. I think those gowns dated and aged them bit. In the end they were probably caught between the old legacy market and being the new Sups.





I agree demo. The back picture cover of "New Ways" is beautiful. Powerful. But then look at the front cover. Hot pink. 60's era gowns. With Jean, the Supremes were still doing their "show tunes" and Las Vegas lounge act. "Somewhere" was still a part of the set list; a song that had been included for at least the past 3 - 4 years. True, later on they'd include something more soulful and current like "I'll Take you There" by the Staple Singers, but for every step forward, there is a 1950's doo-wop "Cherry Pie".

I'd love to see how Jean could have tackled "What's Going On" by Marvin, "Can't Get Next to You" or "Papa" by the Temptations, or even "Signed, S, D" or "Superstation" by Stevie. Something gritty. Something soulful.

[marv2]

I agree demo. The back picture cover of "New Ways" is beautiful. Powerful. But then look at the front cover. Hot pink. 60's era gowns. With Jean, the Supremes were still doing their "show tunes" and Las Vegas lounge act. "Somewhere" was still a part of the set list; a song that had been included for at least the past 3 - 4 years. True, later on they'd include something more soulful and current like "I'll Take you There" by the Staple Singers, but for every step forward, there is a 1950's doo-wop "Cherry Pie".

I'd love to see how Jean could have tackled "What's Going On" by Marvin, "Can't Get Next to You" or "Papa" by the Temptations, or even "Signed, S, D" or "Superstation" by Stevie. Something gritty. Something soulful.

Jean would not have sounded right singing those songs. Those were guy songs. They sound too masculine for the ultra feminine Jean Terrell to be singing. Tina Turner probably could have pulled them off though.

[kenneth]

Jean would not have sounded right singing those songs. Those were guy songs. They sound too masculine for the ultra feminine Jean Terrell to be singing. Tina Turner probably could have pulled them off though.

I think she might have pulled them off though I agree Tina would be great at that material. Still, Jean sang "Love the One You're With" really well. Some singers, notably Tina and Cher, seem to excel at material written for male singers.

[captainjames]

REDHOT you said what I have been holding in for years. This is why Gordy wanted Mary to change her mind. Jean had the pipes and the talent and the "attitude" to go along with it.



I'v said this before, Jean Terrell didn't like Show Business,Jean was gonna leave The Supremes and Motown,it wouldn't matter if they had a hit record,Jean wanted out,she wanted to blame people,including Mary Wilson and Motown,but it was her job to sing and entertain,at that time,Jean could have been a big star,if she wanted it,no one is gonna give it to you,you have to work for it,Jean didn't want to work,so she left,the solo album I Had To Fall In Love,was a good,but it never was finish,so A and M released what they had,Jean didn't promote it,no one is gonna put up with Jean's moods,not Mary Wilson not Motown not A and M records,not even Former Ladies Of The Supremes,i love Jean Terrell,but the world of Show Business was not her thing,The Supremes could have left Motown,Jean would have still left The Supremes.no matter what.

[marybrewster]

I think she might have pulled them off though I agree Tina would be great at that material. Still, Jean sang "Love the One You're With" really well. Some singers, notably Tina and Cher, seem to excel at material written for male singers.

Thank you kenneth; I don't buy this "guy songs" BS for one minute, LOLZZZZZZZZZ! Lest we forget:

"Lean on Me"
"Come Together"
"Love Train"
"Na Na Hey Hey"
"Tossin' and Turnin'"
"Bridge Over Trouble Water"
"Love the One You're With"
"Eleanor Rigby"
"Still Water [[Love)"

Among others, wheeeeee!

[rod_rick]

I wonder if Jean's issue lies in the fact that, while extremely talented, was stuck in a rut by becoming a "covers" singer.

Jean of course is a SOUL singer; the sugary-pop that the Supremes put out in the 60's aren't exactly a challenge to Jean's vocal abilites. Yet, as a Supreme, she was expected to include these as part of her package. Jean's interpetations of these songs are so far removed from the originals; much to the pleasure, I'm sure, to Jean, and much to the dismay, I gather, from the fans.

Supremes like Lynda and Scherrie, on the other hand, have embraced the Supremes catalog and have long made a career out of singing songs intended of a lead other than themselves.

I wonder if the Jean-lead Supremes would have dropped the "image"; dropped the oooh's and aaah's and became more "current", like Honey Cone or the Three Degrees, if they would have fared better. I mean, even having to wear "old" gowns, as glamorous as they were, had to have been an insult of sorts. "Hanging on to yesterday" certainly didn't help the overall groupings, from 1970 on.
Not sure I agree with the image and the oohs and aaahs because the 70's vocals were much different than the oohs and aaahs and as far as the gowns go the Three Degrees, The Honeycones and all the other female groups of the 70's all were dressed in matching gowns looking just like the Supremes. Some may have been a bit updated be still in gowns. There show was completely different in the beginning of the 70's but reverted back to the old show in late72 mid 73 when nothing was working.
Who's idea was it to add those old Diana led standards back into the act? Also I wonder if Jean had any input in song selection? Songs like "People, and Somewhere Jean sang the hell out of them both.

[captainjames]

Honestly after looking back...............Jean would have been better off as a solo artist. Mary could have been saved a lot of headaches and better aligned herself as a vocalist had someone like Scherrie was found. Thanks for the memories Jean but, this could have been delightful even with Lynda, Mary and Scherrie.

[marv2]

Thank you kenneth; I don't buy this "guy songs" BS for one minute, LOLZZZZZZZZZ! Lest we forget:

"Lean on Me"
"Come Together"
"Love Train"
"Na Na Hey Hey"
"Tossin' and Turnin'"
"Bridge Over Trouble Water"
"Love the One You're With"
"Eleanor Rigby"
"Still Water [[Love)"

Among others, wheeeeee!

It's not bs, but are you a good candidate to make the distinction?

Besides none of the songs you listed were released as singles and none of them were hits. The Supremes were about hits!

[marv2]

Not sure I agree with the image and the oohs and aaahs because the 70's vocals were much different than the oohs and aaahs and as far as the gowns go the Three Degrees, The Honeycones and all the other female groups of the 70's all were dressed in matching gowns looking just like the Supremes. Some may have been a bit updated be still in gowns. There show was completely different in the beginning of the 70's but reverted back to the old show in late72 mid 73 when nothing was working.
Who's idea was it to add those old Diana led standards back into the act? Also I wonder if Jean had any input in song selection? Songs like "People, and Somewhere Jean sang the hell out of them both.

There you go Rod_Rick. Thank you! The proof of what you say is in the clips I posted above on the Three Degrees.

[antceleb12]

Jean would have sounded A-MAZING on "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

My issue with the 70's-era Supremesd - not just Jean led - is their live arrangements. So many of their live performances seem underrehearsed. Harmonies and balance are often uneven, and the girls, in general, don't seem to mesh well vocally as DMF and DMC did. It just seemed that each Supreme [[in the 70s) were singing as themselves - not cohesively as a trio.

[kenneth]

Jean would have sounded A-MAZING on "Signed, Sealed, Delivered."

My issue with the 70's-era Supremesd - not just Jean led - is their live arrangements. So many of their live performances seem underrehearsed. Harmonies and balance are often uneven, and the girls, in general, don't seem to mesh well vocally as DMF and DMC did. It just seemed that each Supreme [[in the 70s) were singing as themselves - not cohesively as a trio.

I agree with that on the Jean led performances, but I like the Live in Montreux that I've heard, thanks to Carlo on SDF, with Mary-Scherrie-Susaye.

The Supremes medley on "Live in Japan" is painful to listen to. Jean just throws the lyrics away and seems so uninterested in performing the material. Aside from the fact that these were Diane's hits when she was in the group, they are great songs and it seems to me someone else can still do them justice. Margie Joseph's take on "Stop! in the Name of Love" is my all time favorite but there are many others which have been discussed in great depth in other threads.

[Roberta75]

Honestly after looking back...............Jean would have been better off as a solo artist. Mary could have been saved a lot of headaches and better aligned herself as a vocalist had someone like Scherrie was found. Thanks for the memories Jean but, this could have been delightful even with Lynda, Mary and Scherrie.

Now Mary and Sherrie and Lynda would have made on heck of a great group of Supremes and probably have been real real succesful.

Fondly,

Roberta

[marv2]

Now Mary and Sherrie and Lynda would have made on heck of a great group of Supremes and probably have been real real succesful.

Fondly,

Roberta

I am soooo glad that did not happen or was even considered.

Jean Terrell was the perfect addition to the Supremes hands down. Motown should have done better by them and maybe she would have been happier. Perfectly normal to become disenchanted when you realized you've been sold a bill of goods, nothing close to what you were promised.

[bradsupremes]

A lot of the DRATS Vegas charts were brought back out when Gil Askey came back to work with the girls. It made dated them and I'm sure Jean hated it.

I thought at one point in either '72 or '73 all of the 60's hits were taken out of the show. Don't know if this was before or after Gil came back.

[marv2]

A lot of the DRATS Vegas charts were brought back out when Gil Askey came back to work with the girls. It made dated them and I'm sure Jean hated it.

I thought at one point in either '72 or '73 all of the 60's hits were taken out of the show. Don't know if this was before or after Gil came back.

Teddy Harris [[of Detroit) became their regular music director and he condensed the 60s and some of the 70s hits into two medleys leaving more time in the show for Jean and Mary Wilson to stretch out with their solos.

[Roberta75]

I am soooo glad that did not happen or was even considered.

Jean Terrell was the perfect addition to the Supremes hands down. Motown should have done better by them and maybe she would have been happier. Perfectly normal to become disenchanted when you realized you've been sold a bill of goods, nothing close to what you were promised.

Yes but thats because you dont like Lynda Lawrence so you have a bias.

Jean may have been the perfect addition in your opinion but she was also real difficult and moody and obviously didnt want to be a Supreme for a lengthy period.

imo Lynda and Mary and Sherrie would have made a great group of Supremes.

Roberta

[REDHOT]

Everyone has an opinion,there's nothing wrong with that,Jean was great in The Supremes,but Jean was not a team player.she started out as a team player tho,she changed real fast,had Scherrie Payne took Diana's place,it would have been much better.as a team player,Scherrie would have never left The Supremes,the way Jean did,because Scherrie is a team player,and still is today.Scherrie would have Respect Mary Wilson and Motown,[[she still does today)it don't get any better then Scherrie Payne,Love her.trust me,when Jean was on,no one could touch her,to this day,of all the singer's i ever heard sang People,Jean Terrell is number 1.

[Jimi LaLumia]

see my Whitfield post regarding material for the group..

[rod_rick]

Yes but thats because you dont like Lynda Lawrence so you have a bias.

Jean may have been the perfect addition in your opinion but she was also real difficult and moody and obviously didnt want to be a Supreme for a lengthy period.

imo Lynda and Mary and Sherrie would have made a great group of Supremes.

Roberta
Like Marv
I don't think that Mary, Scherrie, and Lynda line-up would have worked either don't get me wrong I think Lynda is a fantastic vocalist. Because of Susaye's vocal range it gave Mary a chance to stretch out vocally I don't think that would have been possible with Lynda. Not trying to start a war but was Lynda team Supreme or team Lynda, just asking

[marv2]

Like Marv
I don't think that Mary, Scherrie, and Lynda line-up would have worked either don't get me wrong I think Lynda is a fantastic vocalist. Because of Susaye's vocal range it gave Mary a chance to stretch out vocally I don't think that would have been possible with Lynda. Not trying to start a war but was Lynda team Supreme or team Lynda, just asking

According to all documented, first hand accounts she was all Team Lynda! Some say she left, I believe she was put out with no chance of re-admittance.............

[captainjames]

Roberta,
Bless your heart we are definitely in agreement.
Scherrie, Lynda and Mary would have been hot. Don't get me wrong I Love Susaye to the bone. A voice of love. Mary wanted to sing,,, Scherrie wanted to sing, Lynda wanted to sing. Jean wanted out !!!



Yes but thats because you dont like Lynda Lawrence so you have a bias.

Jean may have been the perfect addition in your opinion but she was also real difficult and moody and obviously didnt want to be a Supreme for a lengthy period.

imo Lynda and Mary and Sherrie would have made a great group of Supremes.

Roberta

[REDHOT]

Lynda left The Supremes the same time Jean left.To this day Lynda regrets leaving, Mary was the one,that wanted Lynda in the group,the people at Motown was not crazy about Lynda,but Motown gave in to Mary,it seem like Lynda turned her back on Mary tho,after Mary help her get a contract signed to Motown's Supremes,Lynda Laurence became team Jean Terrell,talk about loyalty lol,then again Lynda was very young at that time, Lynda regret leaving The Supremes,i'm happy it went,they way it did,because i LOVE me some Scherrie Payne.

[detmotownguy]

Were there any issues between Jean and Lynda? Are we to read anything into the coincidence that they both left at the same time? Thanks.

[kenneth]

I may have posed this question before, but what did Lynda add to the group that makes her so memorable? She only recorded one album, unless you count the Live in Japan LP. She was in the group a very short time, wasn't it less than two years?

I don't mean to take anything away from the lady then or now, but I've always wondered what makes her a favorite with fans when it seems she had so little impact within the group either vocally or in terms of creating a group dynamic. To me it was like, if you blinked you missed her. Of course, back then I wasn't really aware of the comings and goings of the backup singers. I was really only interested in whoever was singing lead.

Still, I pose the question and am interested in your answers.

[Philles/Motown Gary]

Hey, Kenny! I agree with you, Buddy. Lynda was a good-enough singer, but she was in The Supremes for such a short time, she never really meant anything to me. The only album she sang on was "The Supremes" [[Jimmy Webb-produced) album, which was never one of my favorites. The only track that I really love is "I Guess I’ll Miss The Man", which was the only track NOT produced by Jimmy Webb. All in all, the only members of the 1970's Supremes who really felt like family to me were Jean, Mary, Cindy, and Scherrie. - Gary

[detmotownguy]

I only saw Lynda live once with Jean and Scherrie. I didn't care for her wailing away. Jean would start out great but all hell broke loose in the background with Scherrie and Lynda over singing. Maybe their mics were too loud - who knows.

[skooldem1]

There are some people who have respect for ALL the Supremes. Regardless of how long they were in the group. It is as simple as that. According to some, she is "insignificant" but they never pass up a chance to make comment about her, or take dig at her. If someone is insignificant to me, I don't waste my time thinking about them, commenting on them, or typing about them.

[marv2]

Lynda who? What is there to talk about?

[thanxal]

There are some people who have respect for ALL the Supremes. Regardless of how long they were in the group. It is as simple as that. According to some, she is "insignificant" but they never pass up a chance to make comment about her, or take dig at her. If someone is insignificant to me, I don't waste my time thinking about them, commenting on them, or typing about them.
A-freakin-MEN!!!
All of the Supremes were Supremes whether certain people want to believe it, liked it or didn't like it, or would like to go back and rewrite history.

[marv2]

I only saw Lynda live once with Jean and Scherrie. I didn't care for her wailing away. Jean would start out great but all hell broke loose in the background with Scherrie and Lynda over singing. Maybe their mics were too loud - who knows.

I've experienced that too, hehehehehehehehe.........!

[Philles/Motown Gary]

There are some people who have respect for ALL the Supremes. Regardless of how long they were in the group. It is as simple as that. According to some, she is "insignificant" but they never pass up a chance to make comment about her, or take dig at her. If someone is insignificant to me, I don't waste my time thinking about them, commenting on them, or typing about them.
Skooldem1, I never said that I don't respect Lynda. Where did that come from? In fact, I said that she's a good singer. I was merely agreeing with Kenny that she wasn't in the group long enough to make an impression on me. That, plus the fact that the only album she appeared on was not one of my favorites, contributed to the fact that she never felt like Motown family to me. Not her fault -- nor mine. That's just how it was....and still is. Right or wrong, because of exposure [[or the lack thereof), I associate Lynda more with FLOS than with the Motown-contracted Supremes. Again, not her fault nor mine.

[RobertZ]

After Jean and Cindy left the group the Supremes as we knew them simply ceased to be. Other talented ladies came and went and their contracts and billing read "Supremes", but they just ... weren't. I remember watching TV appearances at the time; as good as "Driving Wheel", "He's My Man", etc [[I loved the High Energy album!) were, there was something flailing and "over with" about the group. They may have scored better with a different name. Talent was there; another direction and identification was needed.

[Philles/Motown Gary]

I only saw Lynda live once with Jean and Scherrie. I didn't care for her wailing away. Jean would start out great but all hell broke loose in the background with Scherrie and Lynda over singing. Maybe their mics were too loud - who knows.

I wouldn't have liked that either.

[marv2]

After Jean and Cindy left the group the Supremes as we knew them simply ceased to be. Other talented ladies came and went and their contracts and billing read "Supremes", but they just ... weren't. I remember watching TV appearances at the time; as good as "Driving Wheel", "He's My Man", etc [[I loved the High Energy album!) were, there was something flailing and "over with" about the group. They may have scored better with a different name. Talent was there; another direction and identification was needed.

I disagree. The Supremes were wonderful with Scherrie Payne and Susaye Greene with Mary of course. The three of them together were exciting.

[sup_fan]

i'm always a bit baffled when people question "the impact" one girl had versus another. yes i understand that Lynda and Susaye were only members for about 1.5 years each. but they were both officially supremes. and in their 1.5 years, i think they made important impacts. without Lynda, we'd never have had Bad Weather. it's a great song and of course there's the big "what if" regarding the promotion of BW and the proposed album with Stevie.

if you're questioning impact, what about Barbara Martin? she didn't sing any leads. mostly recording some songs that are possibly borderline awful lol. the tunes are certainly not pillars in the Supremes Canon lol.

or what about Flo? yes a founding member and yes on all of the big hits until 67. but one could make the argument that her insubordination and personal problems nearly wrecked the group. what if the public had not accepted Cindy and the group crumbled and fizzled? we'd be missing out on all of the subsequent music and maybe there wouldn't be a DIANA ROSS today.

obviously i'm being a bit facetious here but i think you get my point

there were 9 Supremes [[and 10th that was only a Primette). they all contributed in one way or another. some were members longer, some recorded more than others. but all are part of the story

[sup_fan]

as for Lynda leaving with Jean. i don't know that they coordinated their departures in any way. yes all 3 were discussing their exit from motown and apparently mary changed her mind. i've heard that after jean left, lynda met with Mary and then Pedro to discuss the future of the group [[i think Cindy was already back in the picture) and Lynda, who was also pregnant at the time, opted to not continue with the Pedro situation. then Mary got into contact with Scherrie

at least that's the way i've heard it from some of the fans. wasn't there myself so not sure

[marv2]

i'm always a bit baffled when people question "the impact" one girl had versus another. yes i understand that Lynda and Susaye were only members for about 1.5 years each. but they were both officially supremes. and in their 1.5 years, i think they made important impacts. without Lynda, we'd never have had Bad Weather. it's a great song and of course there's the big "what if" regarding the promotion of BW and the proposed album with Stevie.

if you're questioning impact, what about Barbara Martin? she didn't sing any leads. mostly recording some songs that are possibly borderline awful lol. the tunes are certainly not pillars in the Supremes Canon lol.

or what about Flo? yes a founding member and yes on all of the big hits until 67. but one could make the argument that her insubordination and personal problems nearly wrecked the group. what if the public had not accepted Cindy and the group crumbled and fizzled? we'd be missing out on all of the subsequent music and maybe there wouldn't be a DIANA ROSS today.

obviously i'm being a bit facetious here but i think you get my point

there were 9 Supremes [[and 10th that was only a Primette). they all contributed in one way or another. some were members longer, some recorded more than others. but all are part of the story

Barbara Martin did some leads. She shares the lead on "After All " and on "He's Seventeen" [[which she did the entire lead in concert.).

[marv2]

Barbara sings on this song here. There are no studio recorded leads of Lynda Laurence by Motown:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUyuzIm6QL8

[marv2]

as for Lynda leaving with Jean. i don't know that they coordinated their departures in any way. yes all 3 were discussing their exit from motown and apparently mary changed her mind. i've heard that after jean left, lynda met with Mary and then Pedro to discuss the future of the group [[i think Cindy was already back in the picture) and Lynda, who was also pregnant at the time, opted to not continue with the Pedro situation. then Mary got into contact with Scherrie

at least that's the way i've heard it from some of the fans. wasn't there myself so not sure

All I know and all the people at Motown knew was that the Supremes had never, ever considered jumping ship and leaving the company until Linda Tucker aka Lynda Laurence came into the group.

[sup_fan]

keep in mind, After All was released in the 2000s. not during the groups tenure at motown. there very well could be unreleased leads of Lynda. for instance, in their shows, Lynda would do lead on You're Nobody Until Somebody, there was her lead part in Love The One You're With and in Everybody's Got the Right. we know that the live lps often are truncated renditions of their full show. all 3 of these songs were in their act throughout 72 and 73. so for all we know, there could be tracks of these in the vaults. if you were to "count" the actual lead words she sang, it outnumbers Barbaras.

again, i'm not trying to diminish Barbara's role. just saying that ALL of the women made important contributions. and yes, some had longer tenures and therefore made more contributions.

also jean began complaining and bucking the system before Lynda joined. there was already some dissension within the group and between the group and motown. that was not caused by lynda. she entered into an existing situation. so i don't think you should imply that lynda somehow was the cause of their discussions for leaving motown. even Mary says in her book "lynda was new enough to just be excited to be there" while she was discussing jean's unhappiness

[Roberta75]

All I know and all the people at Motown knew was that the Supremes had never, ever considered jumping ship and leaving the company until Linda Tucker aka Lynda Laurence came into the group.

but you cant prove it and as i said in a earlier post its been real clear for a long time that you dont like Lynda Lawrence so you have a bias imo.

Roberta

[detmotownguy]

I've experienced that too, hehehehehehehehe.........!
Good Lord remember that Marv. Several of us walked out bc we couldn't hear Jean. I reminder walking down the street 2 blks away and someone said listen to that screaming. When you could hear Jean, her voice was sweet and clear. Remember when she started singing "come with me....." The crowd went crazy.

[sup_fan]

another baffling aspect with the fans here is that they someone attempt to personalize their "relationship" with the Supremes. i make no claims to know any of them. nor do i consider any to be friends. frankly, other than a few people like Rick, Andy and Brad, who've either worked with or for them or do actually have personal relationships with some, i'd wager that no one here is an actual "Friend" of these women. so why let personal feelings cloud your appreciation for the group?? all of them did mean/stupid/crass things at one time or another. i find it a waste to time and rather ignorant to delve into their personal issues. i'm here for the legacy of the group and the music.

[blackguy69]

as for Lynda leaving with Jean. i don't know that they coordinated their departures in any way. yes all 3 were discussing their exit from motown and apparently mary changed her mind. i've heard that after jean left, lynda met with Mary and then Pedro to discuss the future of the group [[i think Cindy was already back in the picture) and Lynda, who was also pregnant at the time, opted to not continue with the Pedro situation. then Mary got into contact with Scherrie

at least that's the way i've heard it from some of the fans. wasn't there myself so not sure not to nitpick but if im correct Pedro didnt become manager of the group til 1975. Wasnt it told that Mary met Pedro in 73. So i cant see how in that short of a period that He intergrated himself that quickly. and i thought Lynda left because she was pregnant.

[Roberta75]

another baffling aspect with the fans here is that they someone attempt to personalize their "relationship" with the Supremes. i make no claims to know any of them. nor do i consider any to be friends. frankly, other than a few people like Rick, Andy and Brad, who've either worked with or for them or do actually have personal relationships with some, i'd wager that no one here is an actual "Friend" of these women. so why let personal feelings cloud your appreciation for the group?? all of them did mean/stupid/crass things at one time or another. i find it a waste to time and rather ignorant to delve into their personal issues. i'm here for the legacy of the group and the music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heAw4z71lvo

Thank you dear sup_fan.

Fondly

Roberta

[sup_fan]

Pedro was already on the scene in 73. true he wasn't the full manager of the group but he was leading things. again, all of this as i was told.

[blackguy69]

its possible that whoever told you could ve been mistaken. if that was the case then he wouldve had say on whether Cindy rejoining or Scherrie joining which im pretty sure he didnt.

[REDHOT]

Blackguy I know 100% ,Lynda didn't leave The Supremes for that reason,i'm sure that's the reason,they wanted people to think lol,some think Lynda was a temp Supreme,not true either.when Lynda join The Supremes she was on point,just watch her with The Supremes on Soul Train,she was a real pro,plus she was good on the eye's,with a lot of class,it's a shame she didn't see the bigger picture.again Lynda was really young back then,leaving The Supremes was not a smart move,with Jean and Lynda leaving The Supremes,i bet they thought The Supremes were over,Mary Wilson is no joke,she regrouped,got Cindy Birdsong back,and a new Supreme Scherrie Payne,and kept it moving,i loved Lynda with The Supremes,and still love her today.

[marv2]

keep in mind, After All was released in the 2000s. not during the groups tenure at motown. there very well could be unreleased leads of Lynda. for instance, in their shows, Lynda would do lead on You're Nobody Until Somebody, there was her lead part in Love The One You're With and in Everybody's Got the Right. we know that the live lps often are truncated renditions of their full show. all 3 of these songs were in their act throughout 72 and 73. so for all we know, there could be tracks of these in the vaults. if you were to "count" the actual lead words she sang, it outnumbers Barbaras.

again, i'm not trying to diminish Barbara's role. just saying that ALL of the women made important contributions. and yes, some had longer tenures and therefore made more contributions.

also jean began complaining and bucking the system before Lynda joined. there was already some dissension within the group and between the group and motown. that was not caused by lynda. she entered into an existing situation. so i don't think you should imply that lynda somehow was the cause of their discussions for leaving motown. even Mary says in her book "lynda was new enough to just be excited to be there" while she was discussing jean's unhappiness

There are no known studio recordings that Motown made using Lynda as the lead on a song. I am not interested in wasting time talking about this woman.

[marv2]

but you cant prove it and as i said in a earlier post its been real clear for a long time that you dont like Lynda Lawrence so you have a bias imo.

Roberta

What do I get for proving it? You sound silly LOL!!!

[marv2]

Good Lord remember that Marv. Several of us walked out bc we couldn't hear Jean. I reminder walking down the street 2 blks away and someone said listen to that screaming. When you could hear Jean, her voice was sweet and clear. Remember when she started singing "come with me....." The crowd went crazy.

All I know is that no one at the show I attended would even come near her afterwards ,while Jean and Scherrie were swarmed by family, friends and fans after the show.

[marv2]

any of them. nor do i consider any to be friends. frankly, other than a few people like Rick, Andy and Brad, who've either worked with or for them or do actually have personal relationships with some, i'd wager that no one here is an actual "Friend" of these women.

You would lose........................

Your here for the legacy the group and the music? That's your business. Not everyone is here for the same reasons , so just enjoy!

[Roberta75]

Blackguy I know 100% ,Lynda didn't leave The Supremes for that reason,i'm sure that's the reason,they wanted people to think lol,some think Lynda was a temp Supreme,not true either.when Lynda join The Supremes she was on point,just watch her with The Supremes on Soul Train,she was a real pro,plus she was good on the eye's,with a lot of class,it's a shame she didn't see the bigger picture.again Lynda was really young back then,leaving The Supremes was not a smart move,with Jean and Lynda leaving The Supremes,i bet they thought The Supremes were over,Mary Wilson is no joke,she regrouped,got Cindy Birdsong back,and a new Supreme Scherrie Payne,and kept it moving,i loved Lynda with The Supremes,and still love her today.

Didnt we all make mistakes when we was younger dear redhot?

Fondly,

Roberta

[Roberta75]

What do I get for proving it? You sound silly LOL!!!

id much rather be silly than full of it lol

Roberta

[Roberta75]

There are no known studio recordings that Motown made using Lynda as the lead on a song. I am not interested in wasting time talking about this woman.

Really. Your not interested in Diane Ross and your not interested in Lynda Lawrence but you constatly talk about them every time they manes come up lol thanks for the chuckle.

[honest man]

id much rather be silly than full of it lol

Roberta Roberta you have a typo you missed the SH lol

[Roberta75]

Roberta you have a typo you missed the SH lol

I may think it dear but i couldnt write it. lol

Roberta

[REDHOT]

Yes we all made a lot of mistakes,when we were young,and everybody has they're own opinion,and we all like who we like,there no right or wrong to it,it just how we feel,about what ever,mostly what i said are facts,not my opinion,but the truth.if Marv dislike Lynda ,i have no problem with that,that's how he feels,I love all The Supremes,no matter what.

[kenneth]

[QUOTE=marv2;273519]Barbara sings on this song here. There are no studio recorded leads of Lynda Laurence by Motown:QUOTE]

I was thinking maybe a "Sha La Bandit", but that was a later song wasn't it. I know there's a few different versions of that with different leads. [[A silly song, in my opinion anyway, but I know a lot of people like it.)

[marv2]

not to nitpick but if im correct Pedro didnt become manager of the group til 1975. Wasnt it told that Mary met Pedro in 73. So i cant see how in that short of a period that He intergrated himself that quickly. and i thought Lynda left because she was pregnant.

You are correct in regards to the timeline.

[BayouMotownMan]

Good heavens, this is getting beaten to death all over again.

Jean and Lynda both left the Supremes of their own choosing. I've spoken with both ladies at length about this.

The facts are that both ladies were recently married and expecting their first babies. It is very difficult on a woman to tour the country and have a marriage and a child dependent on mom. It was a natural instinct for both women to want to nurse their babies and give them a normal life for a while. Be there for the first step. Be there for the first word. Can you blame them? Neither lady could expect Mary and Motown to just put the group on hold for a year to do this.

Secondly, both ladies gave everything they had to the group but it was obvious to them that The Supremes were finished. Their record label only had intentions at this point to keep them on as a road act. While Scherrie and later Susaye breathed new life into the group, it's true, but their successes were quite limited because the group's time had passed. History shows this. You can live with what-ifs. Nobody hated to see each lady go more than I but you have to give them the opportunity to be normal human beings and have families.

And for the record, Lynda Laurence did NOT introduce the idea of having the group leave Motown.

The Supremes were a recording act that was heavily dependent on others for their success; writers, producers, musicians, etc. This made them an expensive act at a time when record companies were going with self-contained artists who did all these things on their own. It was the end of an era for sure. And sad that it happened. But all good things do come to an end.

Would be better if some people would concentrate on today's real problems: Terrorism, lack of jobs and lack of health care. Our country is in the toilet and some people keep bitching about which Supreme did what.

[REDHOT]

Lol atcha BayouMotownMan,but ture.

[antceleb12]

Blackguy I know 100% ,Lynda didn't leave The Supremes for that reason,i'm sure that's the reason,they wanted people to think lol,some think Lynda was a temp Supreme,not true either.when Lynda join The Supremes she was on point,just watch her with The Supremes on Soul Train,she was a real pro,plus she was good on the eye's,with a lot of class,it's a shame she didn't see the bigger picture.again Lynda was really young back then,leaving The Supremes was not a smart move,with Jean and Lynda leaving The Supremes,i bet they thought The Supremes were over,Mary Wilson is no joke,she regrouped,got Cindy Birdsong back,and a new Supreme Scherrie Payne,and kept it moving,i loved Lynda with The Supremes,and still love her today.

I disagree with you about Lynda leaving. I think she saw the big picture, but its not the picture we imagine. By the time Lynda left, they only had a few years left, their hits were all but dried up, and the group was entirely dysfunctional. I love all the ladies, but there were a LOT of personal issues boiling in the group at that point. Lynda could have stayed, but she really didn't miss much. I LOVE the 70's Supremes, but at the time, the group was fighting a losing battle. By that time, there had been THREE replacements within a five year period [[Cindy, Jean, and now Lynda replacing a replacement). The music scene was moving farther and farther away from the girl group era, and the girls were getting left behind in the dust. If we're being realistic, there was really almost nothing left for the Supremes anymore.

[REDHOT]

Ok Antceleb,we can agree to disagree lol

[midnightman]

I read the reason Jean left show business was because she was tired of the business. She probably had words with A&M about how her album should be promoted or what she should include in her material. She was always a JW, I think, so I doubt her religion was a reason. Motown stated Brenda Holloway left because of religion but Brenda left because of the business. The lifestyles surrounding musicians probably didn't help matters for both either.

I wasn't aware Jean had any issues with the Supremes, but I probably shouldn't be surprised. That happens with any group who goes through changes, especially away from their original intent.

Edit: now I see that Jean and Lynda were both expecting babies too? That adds a new interesting twist on things...

[midnightman]

There are some people who have respect for ALL the Supremes. Regardless of how long they were in the group. It is as simple as that. According to some, she is "insignificant" but they never pass up a chance to make comment about her, or take dig at her. If someone is insignificant to me, I don't waste my time thinking about them, commenting on them, or typing about them.

Count me as one of them. They all added history to that group... in fact, the JMC lineup is second to DMF [[IMHO) as the best Supremes lineups. But they were ALL great.

[captainjames]

All the ladies were significant and important to the continuation and legacy of the Supremes.

[johnny_raven]

Jean and Lynda became JW when they were in the Supremes.

[franjoy56]

All the were important to the continuation and legacy of the Supremes.
All the supremes contributed to the legacy of the act from barbara martin singing on meet the supremes, dmf s legacy from 63 to 67 big boom of 15 top 40 hits, cindy coming in replacing flo thru 72, jean terrell coming in and placing 5 singles in the top 40 within 2 yrs, linda contributing to stevies bad weather and singing on the produced and jim webb album and taking the lead role on her debut in hawaii, scherrie coming in in late 73 along with cindys return, cindy exiting and finishing the high energy album with her replacement susaye coming in to front the lead track and putting backing vocals on the last top 40 single in all the supremes had 35 hot 100 singles that made thd charts and each women had a hand in it for which we as supremes fan will forever be thankful for. No other girl group c claim such a body of work.

[carlo]

I never knew Jean was married and has a child/children...

[marv2]

I never knew Jean was married and has a child/children...

Jean is a Grandma.

[Ryon6]

I never knew Jean was married and has a child/children...

Carlo, I believe Jean has two sons.

[marv2]

Carlo, I believe Jean has two sons.

Jason and Johnathan Thompson