"Nightflight" Tue May 20, 9P-12M ET: TCMS.....1969!!!!

[midnight johnny]

Howdy, Nightflight passengers! Hope you are well and that you have enjoyed the recent shows with Susaye Greene, Scherrie Payne, and Andy Skurow, George Solomon and Kevin Reeves! I know I have. Please check out the Susaye/Scherrie "Partners" show podcast at the WOMR website...I remastered the show so it would be more audible. But now it's time to get back to The Complete Motown Singles collection....we've heard TEN years already! When we last heard from it, we had just broken into sensational '69, with the late Edwin Starr and his huge hit "25 Miles"....tonight we'll go on from there. Of note...I am working on presenting to you another show with an on-air interview with another great Motown alumnus. I'll tell you about it tonight....on "Nightflight"...on WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown and WFMR 91.3 FM Orleans and streaming live worldwide in digital stereo at www.womr.org [[http://www.womr.org) Thanks! John And a HUGE thank you to Bobby Gardner [[SDF's own rossholloway) for his generosity in sharing the Complete Motown Singles for us to enjoy. Thanks, Bobby!!!!

[Glenpwood]

I will be wearing my dirty raggedy scarf and stocking low rolled to my feet while eating homemade jam out of the pot in anticipation of tonight's festivities.

Perhaps we will uncover why Diana gets a telegram that mama dies while making homemade jam then is miraculously revived long enough for Miss Ross to be by her side to die again in the next line of the song.

See everyone here at nine!

[midnight johnny]

I will be wearing my dirty raggedy scarf and stocking low rolled to my feet while eating homemade jam out of the pot in anticipation of tonight's festivities.

Perhaps we will uncover why Diana gets a telegram that mama dies while making homemade jam then is miraculously revived long enough for Miss Ross to be by her side to die again in the next line of the song.

See everyone here at nine! Glen...you are the best...I almost dropped my coffee! See you later!

[RossHolloway]

I will be wearing my dirty raggedy scarf and stocking low rolled to my feet while eating homemade jam out of the pot in anticipation of tonight's festivities.

Perhaps we will uncover why Diana gets a telegram that mama dies while making homemade jam then is miraculously revived long enough for Miss Ross to be by her side to die again in the next line of the song.

See everyone here at nine!

I think you may need to listen to the song again. "before she died she cried to see me by her side.."

[carole cucumber]

[QUOTE=Glenpwood;230191............Perhaps we will uncover why Diana gets a telegram that mama dies while making homemade jam then is miraculously revived long enough for Miss Ross to be by her side to die again in the next line of the song./QUOTE]Which version of the song is that???Diana is never by her side on any version I've heard. After mama's death, Diana must now live with the greatest shame of all.The real question is- who sent the telegram?, and how did they know where to send it?, since Diana had invented a new identity and an started an entirely new life far away from home. If people had no reason to doubt the lie that Diana's mama died on a weekend trip to Spain, it certainly wouldn't be them.

[midnight johnny]

Provocative issue.....

[midnight johnny]

Yet and STILL...one of my FAVORITES!
http://youtu.be/3Bxt7ECXjuM ....and she sings it so beautifully that it sounds as though she likes the song too!

[Methuselah2]

"With a name like Smucker's, it has to be good."

I also know with absolute authority that when one has one's stockings rolled down to her feet, one does know.

[Glenpwood]

I think you may need to listen to the song again. "before she died she cried to see me by her side.."

My point is that the events in the verse are too vague. The first line states Diana got a telegram that mama passed away while making homemade jam. The next line can be easily misinterpreted as mama is crying while Diana sees her at her deathbed then passes. I know were supposed to think mama was crying just to see Diana one more time [[i guess while stirring her fatal batch of jam - originally strawberry - likely changed to blackberry by Berry Gordy so the Supremes seem more hip and urban like Love Child positioned them to be) but the line isnt clear. I guess we are just supposed to follow the Imitation Of Life storyline to say what the truth of the situation really was. Its a minor flaw to an admittedly fantastic meldodramatic over the top song.

Ok, I am off to shoot some new selfies to put on Match.com to see if I can disprove Marvin & Tammi's theory that Good Lovin' Ain't Easy To Come By;)

See everyone at nine!

[Methuselah2]

And, therefore, we should never forget the 1983 launch of the Diana Ross Ultra Sheers hosiery line. Perfect for makin' homemade jam in.

[midnight johnny]

[QUOTE=Glenpwood;230278]

Ok, I am off to shoot some new selfies to put on Match.com to see if I can disprove Marvin & Tammi's theory that Good Lovin' Ain't Easy To Come By
QUOTE] You gonna do that alone?

[Glenpwood]

[QUOTE=Glenpwood;230278]

Ok, I am off to shoot some new selfies to put on Match.com to see if I can disprove Marvin & Tammi's theory that Good Lovin' Ain't Easy To Come By
QUOTE] You gonna do that alone?

Yep, just me, my devilish grin, and my WOMR sustaining membership card hehe.....

[Methuselah2]

I'm not quite sure what Mama had in mind for that homemade jam. But I'm about to dive into a crab salad.

[midnight johnny]

......in the STUDIO....HOWDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Ready for '69????

[thomas96]

I'll be tuning in later, after the basketball game tonight. Looking forward to it.

[midnight johnny]

[QUOTE=midnight johnny;230282]

Yep, just me, my devilish grin, and my WOMR sustaining membership card hehe.....

You know there are benefits to that sustaining membership?

[midnight johnny]

I'll be tuning in later, after the basketball game tonight. Looking forward to it.

Okeeee DOKE!

[sophisticated_soul]

[QUOTE=Glenpwood;230283]

You know there are benefits to that sustaining membership?

Who doesn't love a man who can sustain well?;)

[144man]

Good evening. I'm here from slightly more than 25 miles away.

Martin

[midnight johnny]

Good evening. I'm here from slightly more than 25 miles away.

Martin


Martin.....thank you for losing sleep for this show....you are a TROUPER!!!

[Glenpwood]

[QUOTE=Glenpwood;230283]

You know there are benefits to that sustaining membership?

Ssshhhh! No one needs to know how you hit those pledge drive goals!;)

[midnight johnny]

There it is, Joe!

[sophisticated_soul]

I'm not quite sure what Mama had in mind for that homemade jam. But I'm about to dive into a crab salad.

RID® Lice

Oh wait, this isn't the Word Association thread. My bad.;)

[midnight johnny]

[QUOTE=midnight johnny;230308]

Ssshhhh! No one needs to know how you hit those pledge drive goals!;)

I forget how you are SO much braver than I!

[sophisticated_soul]

There it is, Joe!

"I'm Livin' In Embarrassment" [[The No Shame Mix):rolleyes:

[Methuselah2]

"She had a grandson 50 years old that I've never even showed her."

Well, that right there would have killed her off.

[Methuselah2]

RID® Lice

Oh wait, this isn't the Word Association thread. My bad.;)

So very, very bad.

[144man]

Love "I'm So Glad...". George Gordy's work is very under-rated.

[supremester]

This Song [[Good Lovin Dont Come Easy) always gets me sad. Valerie is trying SO hard and with respect to sound like Tammi.........I just feel her love for her and her situation.

[Glenpwood]

Love the extended mix of Good Lovin Aint Easy.... Those strings!

[midnight johnny]

This Song [[Good Lovin Dont Come Easy) always gets me sad. Valerie is trying SO hard and with respect to sound like Tammi.........I just feel her love for her and her situation.


Hey there, Gregg....I totally agree with you. It must have been pretty awful for Val and Nick and all those in the situation.....

[RossHolloway]

Can we be 100% certain that its Valerie Simpson singing with Marvin??

[Methuselah2]

Good music is always easy to come by here. But gotta run. Nice being with you all.

[Methuselah2]

Or I'll be in a jam!

[144man]

Motown's official title is "We've Got A Way Out of Love", but it only says "We've Got A Way Out Love" on the record label, yet it starts with the Originals singing "We've got a way out way of love". How very weird! HDH would not have been pleased at the release of an unfinished track.

[144man]

Or I'll be in a jam!

Saints preserve us!

[kenneth]

Hello there...Kenneth tuning in.

[carole cucumber]

Saints preserve us!

i'm late to the party , but well preserved. It is festival/carnival/bazaar time, you know.

[midnight johnny]

Love the extended mix of Good Lovin Aint Easy.... Those strings!

Thank you, Mr Glen!!

[midnight johnny]

Can we be 100% certain that its Valerie Simpson singing with Marvin??

Yes we can....listen.....as John Lester says "your ears will tell you"

[MotownLover]

Finally made it...the "jam," that is!

Did mama die by falling into the jam? Just wondering...

Howard in Long Beach, CA :cool:

[sophisticated_soul]

Who's going to Scherrie & Susaye's "Supreme Partners" concert in Los Angeles July 5th?

I just ordered my ticket. This concert is really going to be quite an intimate affair. The seating chart on ebay is for only 250 people, 200 chairs and five tables of 10 seats each. I got a table seat. I would be interested in meeting any other Soulful Detroit members there. This concert promises to be one of kind. I feel so fortunate to be able to attend.

[kenneth]

Ah, Soupy Sales. If you ever get a chance to see the PBS special on his life, there's a great segment where he opens the back door, and instead of White Fang or Black Tooth, there's a naked woman! The crew was playing a joke on him...it's hilarious!

[kenneth]

Who's going to Scherrie & Susaye's "Supreme Partners" concert in Los Angeles July 5th?

I just ordered my ticket. This concert is really going to be quite an intimate affair. The seating chart on ebay is for only 250 people, 200 chairs and five tables of 10 seats each. I got a table seat. I would be interested in meeting any other Soulful Detroit members there. This concert promises to be one of kind. I feel so fortunate to be able to attend.

I'm planning to go. I'm hoping that Roberta might go as well. I'd love to meet some SDF brethren!

[midnight johnny]

Welcome Kenneth!!
Howdy Carole!!!

Hello there Howard!!!!

[MotownLover]

Green Grow The Lilacs was the original title of The Originals' first album. When Baby I'm For Real hit big, the album's title was changed.

Howard in Long Beach, CA :D

[carole cucumber]

The Originals did it. In fact their first album was originally named after the song and later changed to Baby I'm For Real once that song hit.

[carole cucumber]

Sorry Howard, we must have been typing at the same time.

[Glenpwood]

Im still on the fence about attending the show[[not about the show itself but getting my work schedule cleared) but it would be fun to have a Soulful Detroit table!

[sophisticated_soul]

I'm planning to go. I'm hoping that Roberta might go as well. I'd love to meet some SDF brethren!

Maybe if we get ten people going, we can reserve a table! I hope Roberta goes too. I'd love to meet her and anyone else from SD who will be attending. Sounds like it's going to be quite an event and it's a wonderful opportunity to show Scherrie & Susaye lots of love and our appreciation.

[carole cucumber]

Oh my goodness! Soupy & a naked woman. Was he cheating on Peaches???? What was this world coming to?

[sophisticated_soul]

Im still on the fence about attending the show[[not about the show itself but getting my work schedule cleared) but it would be fun to have a Soulful Detroit table!

Glen P. Wood, come on down!:)

[carole cucumber]

Ah, Soupy Sales. If you ever get a chance to see the PBS special on his life, there's a great segment where he opens the back door, and instead of White Fang or Black Tooth, there's a naked woman! The crew was playing a joke on him...it's hilarious!


But balloons saved the day [[and not Helen and Kay Lewis balloons, either)!!!

[supremester]

Miss Ross intro'd this as "I Don't know Why" on The Hollywood Palace but I thought she was just struggling with all the cue cards that first time.

[carole cucumber]

But balloons saved the day [[and not Helen and Kay Lewis' balloons, either)!!!

Amazing what a small missing apostrophe can do to change the meaning of a post.

[supremester]

Carol, I've prolly never let you know that I appreciate all of your knowledge - thank you for sharing it!

[carole cucumber]

Was Stevie privy to the early discussion of the formulation of the Brady Bunch when he wrote "Oh My Marcia" aka "My Cherie Amour" ? Was Marcia helping Mama make homemade jam? Was she the one who kept tabs on the married nouveau rich Diana, husband & baby?

[thanxal]

Odd. WOMR comes through on my iPhone using the TuneIn app but not through tunein.com on my iMac using Safari or Chrome.

[carole cucumber]

Otis Williams was one of the Originals? You don't say; the things you learn here... Language is funny , isn't it!?

[supremester]

JP: I was going to request this long version as ESSENTIAL.......but I forgot. Thanks for being on the same page. Next to Ain;t No Mountain High Enough, this is fave LP version of anything. This entire LP kicked ass!

[midnight johnny]

Odd. WOMR comes through on my iPhone using the TuneIn app but not through tunein.com on my iMac using Safari or Chrome.


Howdy, thanxal!! Glad if you can get the show on 2 dixies and a string!!

[midnight johnny]

JP: I was going to request this long version as ESSENTIAL.......but I forgot. Thanks for being on the same page. Next to Ain;t No Mountain High Enough, this is fave LP version of anything. This entire LP kicked ass!


Honey....We is terrific, Gregg!!! Absolutely brilliance and poetry!!!

[carole cucumber]

Howdy, thanxal!! Glad if you can get the show on 2 dixies and a string!!

Did you or did you not forget the letter 'g' after the phrase 'and a ' in that sentence????!!!!

[midnight johnny]

Did you or did you not forget the letter 'g' after the phrase 'and a ' in that sentence????!!!!

Im cornfused.....

[thanxal]

Did you or did you not forget the letter 'g' after the phrase 'and a ' in that sentence????!!!!
Oh, that would ruin everyone's night!!!

[midnight johnny]

Im cornfused.....


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.......I GOT it!!!!! hahahahahahahhahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa

[carole cucumber]

Welcome to the club!
Oh oh dixies =cups; it could've meant something entirely different!!!

[carole cucumber]

Although 'cups' coupled with 'g' in that would also lead to further thoughts/cornfusion.

[MotownLover]

Sorry Howard, we must have been typing at the same time.

No need to apollo-gize, carole :-) I see that we essentially both wrote the same thing in a slightly different way, yes? :-)

[midnight johnny]

re: DYKYHTCS......I wonder why A&S left out that 3rd verse [[on GK and the Pips version) from Diana's version....would have made it even more interesting.....

[carole cucumber]

Thanks, I could also have Kerry Gordy-ized but then I would have been 10 years out of synch.

[Glenpwood]

Love i'll Try Something New. Deserved to be a top 10 hit...

[midnight johnny]

Love i'll Try Something New. Deserved to be a top 10 hit...

It's so pretty......

[MotownLover]

Really have always liked "Your Wonderful Love" by Chuck Jackson. I wasn't aware until a few years ago that it was originally recorded at Motown back in the early 1960s, but I don't recall by whom off-hand. Carole..do you recall? Thanks!

Howard in Long Beach, CA :cool:

[carole cucumber]

The tempting Temptations on the Miracle label

[MotownLover]

The tempting Temptations on the Miracle label

OK. Great. I was not certain if it was the Tempts or Eddie Holland. :o

[carole cucumber]

I also like Chris Clark's version on the U.K. Anthology, especially the instrumentation cut in New York.

[144man]

Does anyone know anything about The Shivelles, to whom "Honey Love" was first assigned?

[carole cucumber]

How do you know it's not The Shivelles on background vocals on Honey Love? Just askin.

[carole cucumber]

Second intersection of the night... will the third one be charming?

[midnight johnny]

How do you know it's not The Shivelles on background vocals on Honey Love? Just askin.

Well....does ANY of us really know ANYTHING for SURE?

[144man]

Would anyone have used a name that close to the Shirelles?

[MotownLover]

I also like Chris Clark's version on the U.K. Anthology, especially the instrumentation cut in New York.

I'd forgotten about Chris Clark's version being on that collection, Carole. Thanks for pointing this out.

[kenneth]

Love Jonah Jones' version of "Don't Mess With Bill." Nice!

[RossHolloway]

I think the Composer is a greatly under appreciated song by The Supremes.

[kenneth]

I think the Composer is a greatly under appreciated song by The Supremes.

I think it's a decent song, but don't you think Diane sings in too high of a register for her? Her voice sounds strained throughout as if she's singing out of her range.

[supremester]

Your extended Composer is the house version at my place - SUPREME!!!!!

[sophisticated_soul]

This is the best version of "The Composer" hands down! Great work John!:cool:

[Glenpwood]

So much ear candy in the arrangement. Great work as always John!

[144man]

I've never understand why so many people dislike "The Composer". Diana sings it well, it's a pretty tune, and I can relate to the lyrics as I used to compile a weekly personal chart. Great remix, John.

[carole cucumber]

I have my own theory, which may be entirely wrong.. but it is interesting.
As all those who recorded it at Motown either were a girl group [[Velvelettes, Martha Reeves & the Vandellas or had a female lead singer [[the Elgins), and as the name 'Shivelles' sounds feminine, it wouldn't surprise me if Motown was thinking of recording & releasing another Andantes recording [[with Ann Bogan on lead). Perhaps a new name Shivelles was going to be used, as the Andantes VIP single had not exactly lit up the charts 3 years earlier.The recording session may have been scrapped/erased once Gladys Horton announced her departure from the Marvelettes and Ann Bogan was selected to be her replacement.
Is anyone in touch with Ann, whom it has been reported does not often talk about her Motown days?

[RossHolloway]

I would love to hear an accapella version of the Composer. Diana just sings the song beautifully.

[sophisticated_soul]

Good to be back on track with TCMS. Great show! Thanks John, thanks all. See y'all next time, again in 1969!:cool:

[sophisticated_soul]

I've never understand why so many people dislike "The Composer". Diana sings it well, it's a pretty tune, and I can relate to the lyrics as I used to compile a weekly personal chart. Great remix, John.

Back then I didn't like it initially because it sounded so light to me. It didn't seem to have any bass to it. And I prefered the more driving bass sound that MoTown seem to moving away from. The 45 version on the Supremes Ultimate Collection is pretty good. But John really brought out the quality of the song with his mix.:cool:

[144man]

I have my own theory, which may be entirely wrong.. but it is interesting.
As all those who recorded it at Motown either were a girl group [[Velvelettes, Martha Reeves & the Vandellas or had a female lead singer [[the Elgins), and as the name 'Shivelles' sounds feminine, it wouldn't surprise me if Motown was thinking of recording & releasing another Andantes recording [[with Ann Bogan on lead). Perhaps a new name Shivelles was going to be used, as the Andantes VIP single had not exactly lit up the charts 3 years earlier.The recording session may have been scrapped/erased once Gladys Horton announced her departure from the Marvelettes and Ann Bogan was selected to be her replacement.
Is anyone in touch with Ann, whom it has been reported does not often talk about her Motown days?

My theory is that Motown was considering signing the Shirelles. Rs and Vs can be mistaken for each other when handwritten, so when it was typed up "Shirelles" became "Shivelles". I completely made this up, but it does sound remarkably plausible.

[carole cucumber]

My theory is that Motown was considering signing the Shirelles. Rs and Vs can be mistaken for each other when handwritten, so when it was typed up "Shirelles" became "Shivelles". I completely made this up, but it does sound remarkably plausible.

An interesting fact - the Shirelles Scepter contract was up in 1966- and there had been ill will between them and Florence Greenberg over a promised trust fund that had never been set up. So........

[144man]

An interesting fact - the Shirelles Scepter contract was up in 1966- and there had been ill will between them and Florence Greenberg over a promised trust fund that had never been set up. So........

Another connection...The Shirelles "Last Minute Miracle" is a rewrite of "You Hit Me Where It Hurt Me".

[midnight johnny]

Back then I didn't like it initially because it sounded so light to me. It didn't seem to have any bass to it. And I prefered the more driving bass sound that MoTown seem to moving away from. The 45 version on the Supremes Ultimate Collection is pretty good. But John really brought out the quality of the song with his mix.:cool: Thank you Joseph and Glen and Martin and Gregg!