Jerry Heller, controversial early manager of N.W.A, dies at 75

[splanky]

They don't want to work because of the allure of making a fast buck by selling dope and stealing. That's not rap music's fault, that's everything I, and Jerry mentioned above.

Nobody I know is saying Rap, gangsta or otherwise created the problems of violence in
any community. We all know crime and violence are all old as humankind. But a lot of
hip hop sure the hell has abetted it for over 20 years now. Even when it's not "gangta" per se
a lot of hip hop just plain corrupts and co-opts any public atmosphere. Funny thing is over the past few years I've started to understand why some straight out racist think, act out and
come to the conclusions that they do. Not agree, but understand...With so many young folks
walking around rapping about what a thug they are, how many b*tches they f*ck, and
what they're N*ggas be doing...okay, maybe I don't want to hire this young man, rent to
him, give him a loan, accept him into this school...maybe he IS armed...And at cook-outs,
block parties, parades and festivals with 10,12,14 year old kids running around this music
is blasted....Anybody that doesn't have even just a little bit of a problem with that...well,
carry on...

[soulster]

Nobody I know is saying Rap, gangsta or otherwise created the problems of violence in
any community.

Marv sounds like he is.

[marv2]

Marv sounds like he is.

I'm saying that it had an influence, along with those "Hood" and "Gangsta" films of the late 80s and early 90s.

[marv2]

Here is brief sampling of gang members in Toledo, OH I referred to above. It looks like a music videos, but let me tell you, these guys are real and will shoot you without blinking:

[StuBass1]

Here is brief sampling of gang members in Toledo, OH I referred to above. It looks like a music videos, but let me tell you, these guys are real and will shoot you without blinking:

I think the real problem here is Pro Tools [[and it's cheaper incarnations) , and cellphone videos...In the good old days, these kids wouldn't have the know how or cash to go to a real recording studio or film production company to record this crap...only a few feature highly produced films to reflect parts of society...not knockout videos shoved in our faces every day through social media.....Just a glamorization of highly negative behavior...Life imitates art, art imitates life...In the final analysis...both factors influence each other...

As an employer who has hired and interviewed literally hundreds of people...I can say that ANY employer who does not hire the BEST and MOST QUALIFIED candidate for any job, regardless of factors such as race, religion, sex, etc etc etc, will likely lose out to the competition that does and will lead the hit parade of businesses that fail...I have always hired the person whom I felt would have the best chance of success...Anything else would be foolish, including hiring people I wouldn't be caught dead with outside the workplace, but if I don't hire them...the competition likely will...In this day and age in our highly competitive environment, hiring less than qualified over well qualified is a big mistake which can only lead to failure...

[marv2]

I think the real problem here is Pro Tools [[and it's cheaper incarnations) , and cellphone videos...In the good old days, these kids wouldn't have the know how or cash to go to a real recording studio or film production company to record this crap...only a few feature highly produced films to reflect parts of society...not knockout videos shoved in our faces every day through social media.....Just a glamorization of highly negative behavior...Life imitates art, art imitates life...In the final analysis...both factors influence each other...

As an employer who has hired and interviewed literally hundreds of people...I can say that ANY employer who does not hire the BEST and MOST QUALIFIED candidate for any job, regardless of factors such as race, religion, sex, etc etc etc, will likely lose out to the competition that does and will lead the hit parade of businesses that fail...I have always hired the person whom I felt would have the best chance of success...Anything else would be foolish, including hiring people I wouldn't be caught dead with outside the workplace, but if I don't hire them...the competition likely will...In this day and age in our highly competitive environment, hiring less than qualified over well qualified is a big mistake which can only lead to failure...

I agree Stu. I have been around long enough to witness the changes in society, which includes this current overly violent culture we experience here in America.

[marv2]

Nobody I know is saying Rap, gangsta or otherwise created the problems of violence in
any community. We all know crime and violence are all old as humankind. But a lot of
hip hop sure the hell has abetted it for over 20 years now. Even when it's not "gangta" per se
a lot of hip hop just plain corrupts and co-opts any public atmosphere. Funny thing is over the past few years I've started to understand why some straight out racist think, act out and
come to the conclusions that they do. Not agree, but understand...With so many young folks
walking around rapping about what a thug they are, how many b*tches they f*ck, and
what they're N*ggas be doing...okay, maybe I don't want to hire this young man, rent to
him, give him a loan, accept him into this school...maybe he IS armed...And at cook-outs,
block parties, parades and festivals with 10,12,14 year old kids running around this music
is blasted....Anybody that doesn't have even just a little bit of a problem with that...well,
carry on...

That is pretty much what I am saying. I talked to my nephew this week about this subject. He is in that age range where what's going on in the streets is of utmost importance to some. He agreed that this music has had an effect on his peer group and not in a productive way.

Can anyone say that songs like "Ooh Child" or " I Think I Can Fly" would not have some effect on youth?