That sounds like a reasonable explanation, Marv thanks I know you are the expert on matters like this, yea I know Jobete like to consistently throw in that sitnol story time after time, even when one of the andantes said that she hears Flo in the mix so what does that say, Mary must be there too, and whoever the alto Andante is is it Jackie HIcks, I think Louvain Demps was the soprano.