As the good book of Proverbs rightly states:
"Better is a dinner of herbs where love is, than a fattened ox where hatred is."
With good wishes.
"Love is patient and kind. Love does not envy or boast. Love is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way. It is not irritable or resentful. Jealousy, fits of anger and envy will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Yours, with every good wish.
One of the signs of schizoaffective disorder is difficulty in discerning between reality and fantasy. Another sign is lacking the perception that one has this disorder. It’s a very serious condition. Here’s a fact sheet from the NIH about the condition.
Hey Smark........is it another sign if you post message after message after message after message after message..........on a "bad" doing 7 in a row?
An employee of Mrs. Jackson's told me that Diane swept in wearing a fur coat, all made up, told the children to bow to her feet and address her as the Queen of Siam and Motown.
Then another contact said she was in her sweats carrying bags with pop and chips for the children from the local grocery; she's let all her help go and live in the Connecticut house and is becoming a Bhuddist Monkess; she has only a few pennies left for candy and such.
I only verified a fact a poster disputed. I also put forth nothing that wasnt already in the press via Perrys office so cool it on the attorney client privledge stuff. Even if i had been told more, which i wasnt, i certainly wouldnt throw it out here for random strangers i dont know to pick it apart. I just believe that when you possess a truth or a fact one should share it rather than let falsehoods spread. Like I said in my original post, this had become nothing but a trash fire so honestly I shouldve known better than to try and correct anything because as usual it seems some folks Cant Dont or Wont hear it. I have no plans to engage any further on this issue and sorely regret any contribution ive made to it....
Just to play "Devil's Advocate" for a moment...
It has ocurred to me that had there been any grand announcement that Diana was going to take the kids to Disneyland for a week, it's likely that one of the tabloid tv shows or the National Enquirer would've first told us how great & kind she was, only to later do an investigative "expose" which then accused her of trying to swoop in & steal the Jackson spotlight.
Frankly, I believe that she was placed in a difficult position from the word "Go" & being realistic & fair about it, it seems to me as though she was placed squarely into a "lose/lose" situation.
If she were to swoop in & offer a public statement about this, she could be viewed as attempting to undermine Michael's family. If she remains silent publicly (as she should), then it's said that she doesn't care enough. Meanwhile, no one really knows what she's said, has done or has pledged to do behind close doors.
I believe that she's wise in handling it as she has & if others had chosen to keep their big mouths shut instead of choosing to stir this particular hornets nest, then we wouldn't be weighing in about this huge mess. A mess which was easily avoidable.
But then again, the tabloids would've have to find some real news to report, news that affects people, many of whom never willingly went out of their way to have their lives turned upside down.
Ahhhh...the gift that just keeps giving
Last edited by juicefree20; 08-04-2012 at 08:32 AM.
Godmom Diana to rescue!
By STACY BROWN
“There ain’t no mountain high enough” that could have stopped Diana Ross from trying to extract Michael Jackson’s three kids from an ugly family feud.
In fact, the Motown legend reigned supreme last week, comforting godchildren Prince Michael, 15, Paris, 14, and Blanket, 10, who were still shaken by the bizarre attempt by some of the late pop star’s siblings to cut off contact with the kids’ 82-year-old grandma, Katherine.
The matriarch was whisked from the family’s California home to an Arizona spa for 11 days last month and had been unable to call home, triggering a police probe and a flurry of tweets from a terrified Paris.
DIVA INTERVENTION: Diana Ross, here with Michael Jackson in ’84, checked in on his children, Blanket, Prince Michael and Paris.
Ross gave Paris the longest hug during the emotional encounter at the family’s Calabasas home, said a Jackson family member who was present. The teen had recently been recorded on a surveillance camera fending off her aunt Janet Jackson’s attempt to take away her cellphone.
During Wednesday’s visit, Ross, 68, made it clear she would step in if necessary, and made Paris promise to call her “no matter what.”
“Yes, Miss Ross. I will,” Paris replied, according to the source.
The diva left a clear message to the family. “Mess with Michael’s kids, and you’re messing with her,” the source said.
During the powwow, Ross held Katherine Jackson’s hand, looked into her eyes and asked her if the family had made it too difficult for the grandma to handle guardianship, the source said.
Katherine told Ross she could handle it, and the two embraced.
The grandma now shares custody of the kids with TJ Jackson, son of Jackson’s brother Tito.
“For the first time, Ross said she was willing to step in ‘if needed.’ She had never spoken like that before,” the source said.
During his 2005 molestation trial, Jackson called best friend Ross and asked her to make sure his children would be cared for if anything were to happen to him.
Ross agreed, but had no idea she’d be named as the backup guardian in Jackson’s 2002 will.
After Jackson’s death in 2009, Ross would phone the kids to see “if they needed advice or anything else.” But last week, after the dust settled on the feud, “she wanted to meet with the children in person to make sure she heard all the right things. Things you can’t easily detect on the telephone, like body language,” the family member said.
“Whether she wanted to be listed as guardian or not, she’s not going to abdicate any authority.”
Ross was 25 when she met a 10-year-old Jackson in 1968. He, “like everyone else, called her Miss Ross,” ex-Temptations singer Damon Harris told The Post.
Many of the Jacksons are in favor of Ross’ guardianship should TJ and Katherine be unable.
“She’s our first idol,” the family member said. “We lived with her, and it wasn’t just Michael who loved her — we all do. His kids like her a lot. Who wouldn’t? She’s Miss Ross!”
It was clear law-wise that there had to be a communication between Katherine, Diana and the kids, and as always DR has handled this very classy indeed. To think what meal other stars would have done out of that, can you imagine?
They would have given press-conferences before, during and after meeting the children. She never gets credit for being so stylish, she always knows what the right way is... that is one of the many things that make her so special and such a CLASSY DIVA.
This article must have caused as much consternation among the Ross haters as Mary's article when she said she didn't have a voice like Dianas and as when Diana got the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Grammys.
I wonder if this leak was Jermaine or Randy and how much they got paid for it?
Diana Ross willing to take on Jackson`s children
Last Updated: Tuesday, August 07, 2012, 10:54
New York: Singer Diana Ross is willing to take over guardianship of Michael Jackson`s children if the custody arrangement between Katherine and Tito Joe `TJ` Jackson does not work out.
The 68-year-old was named as a back-up guardian for Prince Michael, Paris and Blanket in their late father`s will and although they are now under the shared custody of their grandmother Katherine and cousin TJ, she has made it clear she will step in and care for her godchildren if needed, reported New York Post.
"For the first time, Ross said she was willing to step in if needed. She had never spoken like that before. Whether she wanted to be listed as guardian or not, she`s not going to abdicate any authority," said a family member who was present during Ross`s recent visit to see the kids.
After the recent drama of Katherine losing and then regaining guardianship, Ross wanted to make sure the children were fine and travelled to see them in person in Calabasas, California.
"After Michael`s death in 2009, Diana would phone the kids to see if they needed advice or anything else. But last week, she wanted to meet with the children in person to make sure she heard all the right things," a source said.
First Published: Tuesday, August 07, 2012, 10:54
Motown legend Diana Ross ready to step up to take on Michael Jackson's kids.
London Evening Standard.
06 August 2012.
Diana Ross is willing to take over Michael Jackson's children if the arrangement between Katherine and TJ Jackson doesn't work out.
The Motown legend was named as a back-up guardian for Prince Michael, Paris and 'Blanket' in their late father's will and although they are now under the shared custody of their grandmother Katherine and cousin Tito Joe 'TJ' Jackson, she has made it clear she will step in and care for her godchildren if needed.
A family member who was present during Diana's recent visit to see the kids said: "For the first time, Ross said she was willing to step in 'if needed'. She had never spoken like that before. Whether she wanted to be listed as guardian or not, she's not going to abdicate any authority."
After the recent drama of Katherine losing and then regaining guardianship, Diana wanted to make sure the children were fine and travelled to see them in person in Calabasas, California.
The source added: "[After Michael's death in 2009, Diana would phone the kids to see] if they needed advice or anything else. But last week, she wanted to meet with the children in person to make sure she heard all the right things. Things you can't easily detect on the telephone, like body language."
Diana, 68, also made Paris, 14, promise to call her if she or her brothers ever need her help. According to the source, Diana left the warring Jackson family with the message "mess with Michael's kids, and you're messing with her".
Diana was also anxious to ensure Katherine, 82, is coping with her responsibilities and many of the Jackson family members would welcome her taking over.
The insider added: "It wasn't just Michael who loved her - we all do. His kids like her a lot. Who wouldn't? She's Miss Ross!"
So I am assuming with all the reports about Diana willing to take Michael's kids if the custody arrangement between Katherine and TJ doesn't work out, that Diana not ready yet to sign off her custody duties according to earler reports?
What I find interesting reading through the article was that Diana recieved a call from Michael after the 2005 allegations asking her to care for the kids if anything happens to him, that Diana agreed but she wasn't aware that Michael has already named her in the 2002 Will already anyway.
Last edited by David J; 08-07-2012 at 05:24 AM.
Sign off just means she approved of the new agreement, particularly TJ sharing guardianship.
It does not necessarily mean that she gave up her rights.
Diana has always had a battery of lawyers and understands clearly what giving up rights to anything could mean; she watched many of her Motown colleagues give up their rights and end up with little or nothing.
In respect of Michaels children, she may want to give up her rights but there probably is a downside to that too.
Last edited by jillfoster; 08-07-2012 at 01:04 PM.
You need to read the book of Proverbs.
"A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger. The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouths of fools pour out folly. The eyes of theLord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good. A gentle tongue is a tree of life, but perverseness in it breaks the spirit. "
No, Jill you are wrong in this instance.
If Diana Ross becomes Guardian tomorrow, she does not get her hands on the money.
The Executors handle the money and they pay the Guardian an allowance to raise the children. I've read that Katherine gets enough money for staff and living expenses; I might have read that she gets $80000 a month but I might be wrong.
It would be no difference with Diana Ross and despite the news articles, this is something that even "Miss Ross" could not change.
You also had a heavily indebted, bankrupt estate to start with and from what I've read, the debts have not yet all been retired.
Evidently, one of Michael's concerns along with issues about the ability to raise children was a concern about what would happen to the money and the children. Miss Ross has a proven track record raising children - something that is almost nonexistent amongst celebrities. And at a minimum, she has one house worth $35 million, a parking lot or two in NY along with other real estate. So, he was not concerned on that count either.
Why does everyone have to call her Miss Ross?
Also more than a bit strange is her "signing off on Michael's kids "new" custory agreement, because it effectively changes his will!
Now if they can do that through mutual agreement, I believe other changes can be made.......
Jobeterob, thanks for explaining about the "signing off" suituation
No, I don't think that Diana will give up her rights on what was stated on MJ's Will, only because it means if she does give up her rights and anything ever happens to either guardian (Katherine or TJ), then she wouldn't really have any say in what happens to the 3 kids and they could end up anywhere, maybe with one of the unsavoury Jacksons member.
And I am sure Diana would like to monitor and know what happening with those kids, even if she doesn't become their guardian, she would want them to end up with someone appropiate, who is not doing just for the publicity or the money and who's got their welfare and best interest at heart.
Last edited by David J; 08-08-2012 at 11:14 AM.
I have to agree I think Diana just wants what is best for the kids and of course she has the right or the authority to sign off on a shared guardianship. In fact she is the only one that has that right and I am sure she has made some reservations in regard to being able to change anything so it go awry.
They don't have reason to believe any of that. It is their own mentality they have to deal with. The Jackson have been stars in the public eye for nearly 45 years and you have not heard anything truly unsavory or shady, not even an arrest to my knowledge.
Yes,.he (Jack Gordon), is out of her life for good because he's dead! Janet's tit showing for one milli-second does not count after all we've seen from performers, even jiggiling another woman's ta ta's on award shows. Jermaine's semi-process "do" doesn't count because at least it has a shape and stays in place. I don't ;think any of them have been arrested for extreme DUI.....not even Randy! Soooooooo........ hehehehehehehehe!
It is amusing to think that Jermaine and Janet call her Miss Ross. And Katherine. Lord! This will spread to Marv & Jill soon. Mi................iii.............ssssssssssss Roooooooo ausssssssss
More >>By LINDA DEUTSCH
AP Special Correspondent
LOS ANGELES (AP) - The mystery of Michael Jackson's mother's disappearance was clarified Thursday with the release of court papers that said she was kept from communicating with outsiders while at a resort and was unaware she had been reported missing.
Katherine Jackson declared in the documents that she learned she was the subject of a search when she accidentally heard a TV report.
Before that, she said, she was kept virtually incommunicado without access to a phone or her iPad. She said her stay at the Tucson resort was unplanned, and she went there after she was told her doctor had ordered her to rest.
Before that, she had intended to take a cross-country RV trip to see her sons perform in concerts.
"While there was a telephone in my room, the telephone was not functioning and I could not dial out," she said in the documents. "In addition, there was no picture on the television in my room."
She told of asking repeatedly to have the TV fixed.
"One morning I woke up to the sound of the television," she said. "While there was no picture, I heard a broadcast that stated I was missing."
Her declaration was attached to papers filed in a request to be reinstated as guardian of Michael's children, Prince, 15, Paris, 14 and Blanket, 10. Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff granted the request Thursday and temporarily named her nephew, TJ Jackson, as co-guardian.
Beckloff said last week that he didn't believe Katherine Jackson had done anything wrong but suspended her guardianship duties because she had been out of contact with her grandchildren for 10 days.
While at the resort, Jackson said, she was unaware that her grandchildren were worried about her and that her lawyer had flown to Tucson to contact her.
"While I was away, I had no reason to question whether the people with whom I placed trust would inform me that Prince, Paris and Blanket were trying to reach me," she said.
She said she had asked about the children and was told they were fine.
"The day before I was brought home from Tucson, I was finally permitted to use the phone to speak with Prince, Paris, Blanket and TJ," she said.
Some of Katherine Jackson's comments appeared in conflict with a statement she made to ABC News before she left Tucson.
Seated with her children Randy, Janet and Rebbie next to her, she read from a prepared statement saying she had not been held against her will
"My children would never do a thing to me like that, holding me against my will," she said. "It's very stupid for people to think that."
She said then that she was devastated at learning she had lost guardianship of her grandchildren and said the action "was based on a bunch of lies."
In the aftermath of what her attorney Perry Sanders Jr. called "the chaos," Katherine Jackson asked for a meeting with TJ Jackson and the lawyer to find out what was going on.
As a result, she said, she decided that TJ Jackson, who had been an unofficial co-guardian of the children, needed legal authority in case something happened in her absence.
Beckloff said during a hearing after Jackson resurfaced that an investigator who looked into the children's care found the late pop star's 82-year-old mother was an excellent guardian and the children love her.
"I think the kids are in terrific hands," the judge said. "It appears from the report that Katherine Jackson has done a wonderful job and cares about the children very much."
Beckloff noted that the children also have a close relationship with their 34-year-old cousin TJ Jackson, who was named temporary guardian last week after working closely with Katherine Jackson since Michael Jackson died.
TJ is "incredibly respectful" of the family matriarch and she is respectful of him, the judge said.
Beckloff said he will finalize the arrangement later this month but for now will issue letters of co-guardianship allowing both Jacksons to make decisions about the welfare of the children.
TJ Jackson's new co-guardianship status is temporary, but the judge could make it permanent when he convenes the next court hearing on Aug. 22.
The shared guardianship plan is apparently designed to remove pressure from Katherine Jackson who was previously named in her son's will as the children's sole guardian.
Sanders has said the arrangement will allow her to focus on the children's upbringing and not on home or logistics issues.
The changes in guardianship come on the heels of family dissension over Michael Jackson's will, which left nothing to his siblings when he died three years ago. Several of them signed a letter that was leaked to the media alleging the will was a fake and calling on executors of the estate to resign.
On Wednesday, Jermaine Jackson issued a plea for peace in the family and withdrew his support of the letter.
He wrote that the family is still raw from Michael Jackson's death, and his mother has endured incredible stress and pressures since then.
AP Entertainment Writer Anthony McCartney contributed to this story.
Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
WOW !! Who does that ?? If I was taking my mom away for rest I would tell her and who puts her in a room with no way of communicating unless you are at arms length. Perhaps there was a baby monitor in the room so they could hear if she fell or cried out.
I am starting to see why Michael did not want his siblings to have those kids because of some of the odd things they do.
" A Word To The Bad(s)", Leave those kids alone.
If you listen to the CBC Documentary on the recording industry, they use two examples of how the industry peaked in the 90's ~ Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston ~ and how very few CDs were hits but when they hit, they could make a billion dollars. Jackson and Houston paid a huge price and Jackson figured out he was being used by the industry; both were addicts that died in the end deeply in debt. You would have to be a very naive fan to think Jackson and Houston were not hugely troubled individuals.
The money came in and the money went out like water. The Jackson family see the potential of money coming in again and they can't get a penny; that's why they are mad at the executors and the kids. But this time, it is all locked up.
The Jackson siblings basically kidnapped their Mother; take the relationship away and they would have been charged. They have no basic grounding, a lot of unstable relationships and practices ~ Michael Jackson saw stability in the Ross children and wanted that for his family.
Do we have any idea who the real fathers and mothers of the 3 children are?
Last edited by jillfoster; 08-10-2012 at 01:41 PM.
Apparently the will/trust provides that when Katherine dies, the children inherit her portion.
If thereafter, the children all perish together without wills, each jurisdiction generally has legislation which sets out who inherits; almost all jurisdictions are the same and the scheme usually is:
- your spouse (including a same sex spouse, except in backward American states)
- your children
- most jurisdictions say a portion goes to your spouse and thereafter, the spouse shares with the children
- grandparents (this might include Debbie Rowe's or some other mother if there was no legal adoption)
- aunts and uncles (on both sides)
That would generally be it. But those children will never become adults without wills.
Dieing without a will means more legal fees, more taxes often and delays. It's not a good idea.
Of course, Michael Jackson was selfish; most of these people are because their whole life has been "me me me" with the press chasing them, calling their name, people giving them awards etc. ~ and I'm talking Michael, Whitney, Diana.
Jill: you are right about your arrangements; we do that kind of arrangements for clients all the time; things can work wonderfully when the family gets along and is kind of normal.
The latest release from Debbie Rowe:
Debbie Rowe Approves Care Of Michael Jackson's Children
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The mother of two of Michael Jackson's children has given her consent for the kids' guardianship to be shared between Katherine Jackson and the late star's nephew T.J.
Debbie Rowe, who was married to the Thriller singer for three years in the 1990s, is mother to his son Prince Michael and daughter Paris and she has filed legal documents approving their care following a Jackson family feud last month (Jul12).
The former nurse filed the papers at Los Angeles County Superior Court on Thursday (09Aug12) and insists she will intervene if she becomes unhappy with how the children are being looked after.
In the files, obtained by Tmz.com, it states, "Should the arrangement sought by T.J. Jackson and Katherine Jackson become untenable, unstable, unsafe, or in any way contrary to the best interests of the children, Ms. Rowe will seek court intervention."
The children's cousin T.J., son of Michael's brother Tito, first applied to take guardianship of the kids while Katherine Jackson was on vacation in Arizona last month (Jul12) and a judge ruled Rowe must be notified of any changes to their care.
Michael Jackson was also father to another son called Blanket, who was born via a surrogate mother after the singer divorced Rowe.
In the update to Tarrborelli's Jackson book, he says:
He had access to 10000 pages of Motown sales and this is what he used in the Jackson book and Call Her Miss Ross; although he dropped nearly all the sales info in his final Ross autobiography.
He says Katherine Jackson's allowance is $25000 a month but some of it (or all) is going to satisfy a multi million dollar judgment that was obtained against Joe, Katherine, and Jermaine as a result of the "moonie" Korean issue. I forget what that was actually about.
What I got out of this section is that Joe, Katherine and Jermaine have nothing in the way of assets.
So, this may mean Katherine isn't getting any money from the estate, just money to raise the children, as the guardian.
I'm going to read this book shortly.