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    If this happens, regardless of who gets the role, it would be nice. However, I'm not much into fantasy & there are a few realities to consider. Keeping it real, here's just one of them. The truth of the matter is that biopics are a very, very tough sell in Hollywood.

    Here are the numbers for the highest grossing biopics & overall, they don't paint the prettiest of pictures, much less, any great support by anyone other than the most hardcore of fans. Read them & weep...

    Rank/Movie/Company/Lifetime Gross/Theaters/Opening/Theaters/Opening Date
    1 Walk the Line [[Johnny Cash & June Carter) Fox $119,519,402 3,160 $22,347,341 2,961 11/18/05
    2 Ray [[Ray Charles) Uni. $75,331,600 2,474 $20,039,730 2,006 10/29/04
    3 Coal Miner's Daughter [[Loretta Lynn) Uni. $67,182,787 - $3,366,443 437 3/7/80
    4 La Bamba [[Ritchie Valens) Col. $54,215,416 1,251 $5,651,990 1,251 7/24/87
    5 Amadeus [[Mozart) Orion $51,973,029 802 $505,276 25 9/21/84
    6 What's Love Got to Do with It [[Tina Turner) BV $39,100,956 1,100 $1,222,718 58 6/11/93
    7 Notorious [[2009) FoxS $36,843,682 1,641 $20,497,596 1,638 1/16/09
    8 Shine [[David Helfgott) FL $35,892,330 1,050 $162,179 7 11/22/96
    9 Selena [[Selena) WB $35,281,794 1,873 $11,615,722 1,850 3/21/97
    10 The Doors [[Jim Morrison) TriS $34,416,893 1,236 $9,151,800 840 3/1/91
    11 The Soloist P/DW $31,720,158 2,090 $9,716,458 2,024 4/24/09
    12 The Buddy Holly Story [[Buddy Holly) Col. $14,363,400 - n/a - 5/19/78
    13 Great Balls of Fire! [[Jerry Lee Lewis) Orion $13,741,060 1,417 $3,807,986 1,417 6/30/89
    14 De-Lovely [[Cole Porter) UA $13,456,633 410 $292,963 16 7/2/04
    15 Why Do Fools Fall in Love? [[Frankie Lymon) WB $12,461,773 1,377 $3,946,382 1,369 8/28/98
    16 La Vie en Rose [[Edith Piaf) PicH $10,301,706 178 $179,848 8 6/8/07
    17 Immortal Beloved [[Beethoven) Sony $9,914,409 463 $120,108 4 12/16/94
    18 Sweet Dreams [[Patsy Cline) TriS $9,085,049 778 $2,161,284 778 10/4/85
    19 Cadillac Records [[Chess Records artists) Sony $8,195,551 701 $3,445,559 687 12/5/08
    20 American Hot Wax [[Alan Freed) Par. $7,932,571 - n/a - 3/17/78
    21 El Cantante [[Hector Lavoe) PicH $7,556,712 542 $3,202,035 542 8/3/07
    22 Beyond the Sea [[Bobby Darin) Lions $6,318,709 383 $45,264 6 12/17/04
    23 Topsy-Turvy [[Gilbert & Sullivan) USA $6,208,548 224 $31,387 2 12/15/99
    24 Hilary and Jackie [[Jacqueline du Pre) Oct. $4,912,892 300 $92,956 6 12/30/98
    25 I'm Not There [[Bob Dylan) Wein. $4,017,609 149 $730,819 130 11/21/07
    26 The Runaways [[The Runaways) App. $3,573,673 244 $805,115 244 3/19/10
    27 Sid and Nancy [[Sid Vicious) Gold. $2,826,523 43 $50,829 2 10/17/86
    28 Backbeat [[The Beatles) Gram. $2,392,589 211 $126,740 10 4/15/94
    29 Bird [[Charlie Parker) WB $2,181,286 93 $27,116 1 9/30/88
    30 Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould [[Glenn Gould) Gold. $1,319,521 - n/a - 11/26/93
    31 24 Hour Party People [[Tony Wilson) MGM $1,184,096 37 $34,940 2 8/9/02
    32 Control [[Ian Curtis) Wein. $872,252 29 $27,674 1 10/10/07
    33 What We Do Is Secret[[The Germs) PArch $58,776 7 $5,888 1 8/8/08
    34 Stoned [[Brian Jones) Scre. $38,922 6 $15,409 6 3/24/06

    TOTAL [[All Movies): $724,392,307
    AVERAGE [[All Movies): $21,305,656 714 $3,630,222 591
    TOTAL [[Wide Releases Only): $557,778,693
    AVERAGE[[Wide Releases Only): $39,841,335 1,496 $10,216,532 1,529

    The AVERAGE biopic does roughly $24 million, which doesn't leave much room for a decent budget, much less profit margin.

    http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=musicbio.htm
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    Juice, great information and thank you. Those stats are truly to be considered, however take a look at the top 3 on the list. They are of very popular music artists and gross the highest amounts on that list. Several on the list I am not very familiar with at all. I think Aretha's and Florence's stories could end up in the top 10 on that list if they are made and promoted correctly and based on their places/status in our Pop Culture.

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    Juice Marv brings up an interesting point. As a matter of fact the majority are music based biopics. I will admit the grosses are low but that's usually the case for music themed films or musicals on film. There have been exceptions of course.

    You should also check the release dates and compare them to other films around that time. A 3 mill gross in '85 meant a heck of a lot more than it would mean in 2011. Just as back in the day 700k units sold by an artist was success, now it will get you kicked off a label.

    I don't have a clue whether this will ever get made but I don't think it's out of the question in some form. Earlier I checked the budget for the Tempts movie and it was only 8 mil which means a made for TV/cable movie isn't out of the question.

    Throw in worldwide distribution and DVD sales and it could go from break even to great. Depends on the medium, the star, the supporting cast the script, the public, the alignment of the stars in the sky...
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    Marv

    Anytime at all & you are correct about the Top 3 being iconic. Another thing to be considered is that all three enjoyed great success in what Genre...

    Country & Western music!

    Remember the explosive success that Ray enjoyed when he crossed over to all genres with the classic 'Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music' Lp. Those excursions removed Ray from the usual 'R&B/Soul' pigeon-holing that ensnares far too many of our artists. And let's not forget his rendition of 'America The Beautiful', which also transcended all musical genres. Tell me, exactly WHO comprised the vast majority of Ray's audiences for the last 30 years or so of his career?

    If you answer that, you'll have one of the components of the success of his movie. Ray was 'Everyman', somewhat accessible & revealed some of his flaws in the process. While living, Ray gave some insights as to who he was, again, warts & all. Because of this, folks felt as though they knew him at least a little.

    Add to this the story of his life & the fact that he allowed SOME of those warts to be exposed in that film, made the movie more interesting than a varnished version of his life. In the life of Ray, you have a compelling story, warts be damned. A blind man accomplishing all that he did, his business dealings, owning his own masters, a precedent-setting accomplishment for anyone, much less a blind black man, was simply amazing. And the performance of Jamie Foxx was no small reason for the success of this movie. The buzz surrounding this movie was incredible & the fact that Ray died shortly before the release of the movie meant that he figured prominently in people's minds.

    All of this is to say that Ray appealed to a wide range of people & he seemed to be a bit more accessible & always laughing & smiling. Ray was the epitome of cool & because of that, his story would tend to appeal to a wider audience. Doubtless, Aretha has had an interesting life. The question is how much would she be willing to tell in order to satisfy the tabloid-story hungry, reality-show watching, scandal-loving public of today?

    I'm guessing not enough to give some folks the juicy story that they would want to see.

    That's my take on it.
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    Ms. M:

    That may be true, but I imagine that other considerations for any studio would be DVD sales, rentals [[for however much longer those last), as well as worldwide sales.

    Another important factor is the number of theaters that the distributor can get the movie into. The more theaters, the more the opportunity for the movie to be seen. The problem with lower-budgeted movies, especially for many with a black theme, is being able to get those movies into more theaters.

    THAT & convincing folks that these stories are worthwhile, seems to be the biggest hurdles.

    We're still waiting on movies about Marvin Gaye, Sam Cooke & Otis Redding, as well as realistic movies on The Supremes & The Temptations to be made. I'm sure that most of us believe that they deserve to be made. And what about a movie on Etta James, a story which surely has all of the salaciousness & other ingredients that Hollywood loves so much?

    The question seems to be why don't the bean counters feel about these stories as most of us seem to?

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    Great points and synopsis of Ray Charles' unique life situation. It takes a very special person that would could stand to have their public and personal exposed on the big screen for all the World to see and critique. I know Aretha and I have to agree that there WILL be some problem there in getting her to let them use some of the more controversial subjects from her life and times. We'll see. I was just saying in another thread about the film "Blondie: the Florence Ballard Story" that in order for the film to be a big success, they will have to go there.......include some controversial subject matter.

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    Juice you keep focusing on film projects, that's not the only way to get this project out there.

    Bean counters look at the same numbers you posted Juice......LOL

    Let's take Cadillac Records, that was a well written and well acted film. Why didn't the public show it more love?

    How about Bird? An EXCELLENT film. Why is it sitting near the bottom of your posted list?

    Juice there are a lot of things about bean counters I can complain about but it's not all about them as much as it is about what the public is supporting.

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    and BTW....Ray was more about Jamie Foxx than Ray Charles because at the time, Jamie Foxx was on fire in the public eye.

    It's easy to point fingers outward Juice but we have to take responsibility as well. I hear the same complaint about movies in general but people were not lining up for "Beloved" and Oprah acted her arse off in that flick, the entire cast did. Not to mention it was a classic from Toni Morrison.

    People complained about "Precious" but Monique deserved an Oscar...she was OUTSTANDING, hell Mariah Carey was impressive in that movie but folks complain about Tyler Perry... his Medea movies make a hell of a lot more money than his non Medea movies and check out the lines the next time one is in the theater...it's not "bean counters" buying up the tickets. [[and I KNOW you catch my drift)
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    Juice I just did a quick goggle search

    MPAA: In 2006, An Average Studio Movie Cost $65.8M To Produce

    this was five years ago so you know the cost have gone up. What normal person much less a bean counter is going to wager 65.8 million dollars to make a movie and pray, the public will support it when they haven't shown that kind of support for certain types of movies in the past?

    And wager wasn't just a random word I chose.

    I love Ree, Marvin, Otis, Sam Cook but you and me going to the theater can't cover the cost of a 65.8 million dollar movie, hell 2000 plus SDF members buying tickets can't turn a profit on a movie that cost that kind of money to make. Reality is a beacth but business is about reality.

    Emotionally I understand where you are coming from, been there done that but one of the many hats I have to wear is bean counter and trust, I piss my peeps off a lot. LOL...but money does not grow on trees and it takes money to do business....remember what I told you about my shock at postage cost?

    You want these projects done, make sure they are going to make money and the only way to do that is to support what comes out there. Even if you can't stand Beyonce.....because the point is, if a Cadillac Records can do well, it opens the door and purse strings up for Marvin, The Supremes. etc.....that's how it works.
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    Ms_m, Faith Evans is doing the movie on Flo Ballard. She was on Wendy Williams show and stated that Flo's daughter's hand picked her for the role. It was at one time reported that Aretha wanted gospel singer Karen Clark Sheard for the role but Karen said that she couldn't do the role justice http://www.12-play.net/f20/her-story...project-15646/

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    Thanks for the info Glencro. I thought I had heard something about Faith Evans in the role.

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    Relating to this topic, I just learned that a new film,the documentary "Sing Your Song," focusing on the life of Harry Belafonte is being screened at the Sundance Film Festival.

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    I was gonna suggest maybe-dawnn lewis as the young aretha,but maybe she's too old now??....[hey put down that tar and feathers].

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    Interesting choice but I could see that. I think in the minds of execs you are right, they would probably see her as too old plus she doesn't have box office appeal.

    What about the little girl that played in Akeelah and The Bee, Keke somebody...she's old enough now to probably tackle a young Ree and she's a singer.....or

    Raven Symone.....hey, it's just a suggestion.....LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms_m View Post
    interesting choice but i could see that. I think in the minds of execs you are right, they would probably see her as too old plus she doesn't have box office appeal.

    What about the little girl that played in akeelah and the bee, keke somebody...she's old enough now to probably tackle a young ree and she's a singer.....or

    raven symone.....hey, it's just a suggestion.....lol
    ms.m you are a visionary[wit yo fine self]i like your choices!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrr&bee View Post
    ms.m you are a visionary[wit yo fine self]i like your choices!!


    Intelligent and good looking?! Let me peep ms_m's profile! If she's too hott, her eyes may need to be scratched out! ;o)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms_m View Post
    Interesting choice but I could see that. I think in the minds of execs you are right, they would probably see her as too old plus she doesn't have box office appeal.

    What about the little girl that played in Akeelah and The Bee, Keke somebody...she's old enough now to probably tackle a young Ree and she's a singer.....or

    Raven Symone.....hey, it's just a suggestion.....LOL
    I sorta like that idea of Raven Symone Ms_M.

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    At least Halle had the common good sense to know SHE DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY RE. I wonder what she really thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marv2 View Post
    I sorta like that idea of Raven Symone Ms_M.
    Truth be told, so do I. LOL
    Although I have never payed any attention to her singing but it could be dubbed.

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    Dawn Lewis turns 50 later this year so she's too old to play the young Aretha. And she's not exactly a big draw either, though she's a decent actress.

    How about Fantasia as Aretha? She's in her mid 20's. She can sing. And she's done some acting [[Color Purple on Broadway and National Tour) and playing herself in a made for TV movie about her own life. Of course she may not be box office for a theatrical release, but perhaps for a made for Cable movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smark21 View Post
    Dawn Lewis turns 50 later this year so she's too old to play the young Aretha. And she's not exactly a big draw either, though she's a decent actress.

    How about Fantasia as Aretha? She's in her mid 20's. She can sing. And she's done some acting [[Color Purple on Broadway and National Tour) and playing herself in a made for TV movie about her own life. Of course she may not be box office for a theatrical release, but perhaps for a made for Cable movie?

    Fantasia is the favorite of Patti LaBelle to play her life story. Sorry guys RERE wants light and pretty - thus - Halle. Now Raven Simone is an interesting choice - very Disney - and Disney has the money and power, but would want control. That does not work for the Queen of Soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicefree20 View Post
    If this happens, regardless of who gets the role, it would be nice. However, I'm not much into fantasy & there are a few realities to consider. Keeping it real, here's just one of them. The truth of the matter is that biopics are a very, very tough sell in Hollywood.

    Here are the numbers for the highest grossing biopics & overall, they don't paint the prettiest of pictures, much less, any great support by anyone other than the most hardcore of fans. Read them & weep...

    Rank/Movie/Company/Lifetime Gross/Theaters/Opening/Theaters/Opening Date
    1 Walk the Line [[Johnny Cash & June Carter) Fox $119,519,402 3,160 $22,347,341 2,961 11/18/05
    2 Ray [[Ray Charles) Uni. $75,331,600 2,474 $20,039,730 2,006 10/29/04
    3 Coal Miner's Daughter [[Loretta Lynn) Uni. $67,182,787 - $3,366,443 437 3/7/80
    4 La Bamba [[Ritchie Valens) Col. $54,215,416 1,251 $5,651,990 1,251 7/24/87
    5 Amadeus [[Mozart) Orion $51,973,029 802 $505,276 25 9/21/84
    6 What's Love Got to Do with It [[Tina Turner) BV $39,100,956 1,100 $1,222,718 58 6/11/93
    7 Notorious [[2009) FoxS $36,843,682 1,641 $20,497,596 1,638 1/16/09
    8 Shine [[David Helfgott) FL $35,892,330 1,050 $162,179 7 11/22/96
    9 Selena [[Selena) WB $35,281,794 1,873 $11,615,722 1,850 3/21/97
    10 The Doors [[Jim Morrison) TriS $34,416,893 1,236 $9,151,800 840 3/1/91
    11 The Soloist P/DW $31,720,158 2,090 $9,716,458 2,024 4/24/09
    12 The Buddy Holly Story [[Buddy Holly) Col. $14,363,400 - n/a - 5/19/78
    13 Great Balls of Fire! [[Jerry Lee Lewis) Orion $13,741,060 1,417 $3,807,986 1,417 6/30/89
    14 De-Lovely [[Cole Porter) UA $13,456,633 410 $292,963 16 7/2/04
    15 Why Do Fools Fall in Love? [[Frankie Lymon) WB $12,461,773 1,377 $3,946,382 1,369 8/28/98
    16 La Vie en Rose [[Edith Piaf) PicH $10,301,706 178 $179,848 8 6/8/07
    17 Immortal Beloved [[Beethoven) Sony $9,914,409 463 $120,108 4 12/16/94
    18 Sweet Dreams [[Patsy Cline) TriS $9,085,049 778 $2,161,284 778 10/4/85
    19 Cadillac Records [[Chess Records artists) Sony $8,195,551 701 $3,445,559 687 12/5/08
    20 American Hot Wax [[Alan Freed) Par. $7,932,571 - n/a - 3/17/78
    21 El Cantante [[Hector Lavoe) PicH $7,556,712 542 $3,202,035 542 8/3/07
    22 Beyond the Sea [[Bobby Darin) Lions $6,318,709 383 $45,264 6 12/17/04
    23 Topsy-Turvy [[Gilbert & Sullivan) USA $6,208,548 224 $31,387 2 12/15/99
    24 Hilary and Jackie [[Jacqueline du Pre) Oct. $4,912,892 300 $92,956 6 12/30/98
    25 I'm Not There [[Bob Dylan) Wein. $4,017,609 149 $730,819 130 11/21/07
    26 The Runaways [[The Runaways) App. $3,573,673 244 $805,115 244 3/19/10
    27 Sid and Nancy [[Sid Vicious) Gold. $2,826,523 43 $50,829 2 10/17/86
    28 Backbeat [[The Beatles) Gram. $2,392,589 211 $126,740 10 4/15/94
    29 Bird [[Charlie Parker) WB $2,181,286 93 $27,116 1 9/30/88
    30 Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould [[Glenn Gould) Gold. $1,319,521 - n/a - 11/26/93
    31 24 Hour Party People [[Tony Wilson) MGM $1,184,096 37 $34,940 2 8/9/02
    32 Control [[Ian Curtis) Wein. $872,252 29 $27,674 1 10/10/07
    33 What We Do Is Secret[[The Germs) PArch $58,776 7 $5,888 1 8/8/08
    34 Stoned [[Brian Jones) Scre. $38,922 6 $15,409 6 3/24/06

    TOTAL [[All Movies): $724,392,307
    AVERAGE [[All Movies): $21,305,656 714 $3,630,222 591
    TOTAL [[Wide Releases Only): $557,778,693
    AVERAGE[[Wide Releases Only): $39,841,335 1,496 $10,216,532 1,529

    The AVERAGE biopic does roughly $24 million, which doesn't leave much room for a decent budget, much less profit margin.

    http://boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=musicbio.htm
    Wonderful info. Thank you, dear.

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    You inspire me Jai, what can I say.....MUAH

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    hahahah

    Don't worry MissLish, too old to be a threat and you will have to check the archives for my pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms_m View Post
    you inspire me jai, what can i say.....muah
    be still my heart!!!!!!

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    I really believe that [[as stated before) Jennifer Hudson would be perfect for the role. In "Dream Girls" when she auditioned for the club owner singing "I Love You I Do" she looked just like a young Aretha. Seems like Aretha sort of ble wthe suggestion off when she was on the phone with Wendy Williams and Wendy said that she was thinking Jennifer Hudson. Only time will tell, if it even makes it to the big or small screen

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    Quote Originally Posted by glencro View Post
    I really believe that [[as stated before) Jennifer Hudson would be perfect for the role. In "Dream Girls" when she auditioned for the club owner singing "I Love You I Do" she looked just like a young Aretha. Seems like Aretha sort of ble wthe suggestion off when she was on the phone with Wendy Williams and Wendy said that she was thinking Jennifer Hudson. Only time will tell, if it even makes it to the big or small screen
    Jennifer Hudson would be great I believe. But who would play Dennis Edwards, and Rere's dad - Rev Franklin - i understands Rere would like Denzel for the dad role.

    Maybe Rere is just playing FANTASY CASTING!!! It could happen.

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    Jennifer Hudson seems like the obvious choice in my book. Queen Latifah and Jill Scott would be my runners-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    jennifer hudson would be great i believe. But who would play dennis edwards, and rere's dad - rev franklin - i understands rere would like denzel for the dad role.

    Maybe rere is just playing fantasy casting!!! It could happen.
    yeah,and who would play-glynn turman??maybe don cheadle??

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    Yesterday, Aretha sent a telegram to Wendy Williams responding to Halle's declining the role. She stated that Halle was her first choice to play the "older" Aretha, and that she shouldn't underestimate her abilites, as actresses frequently lipsync to recordings when playing vocalists.

    Wendy went on to comment that she feels Aretha should go for Jennifer Hudson. If not her, Queen Latifah or Taraji P. Henson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topdiva1 View Post
    Jennifer Hudson would be great I believe. But who would play Dennis Edwards, and Rere's dad - Rev Franklin - i understands Rere would like Denzel for the dad role.

    Maybe Rere is just playing FANTASY CASTING!!! It could happen.
    LMAO @ Fantasy Casting

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    Quote Originally Posted by glencro View Post
    LMAO @ Fantasy Casting

    LMAO @ Halle Playing Aretha.

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    Miss GloZell on Halle Berry IS Aretha Franklin!


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    Actually Jennifer Hudsson would be better as Aretha.

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    Actually Jennifer Hudsson would be better as Aretha.
    Very True.

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    I have to agree that Hudson would be a good choice to play Aretha, she can handle the singing and her acting is decent.

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    There is no current plans to do a Queen of Soul movie.

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