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    Why is there no Supremes Ultimate Album-By-Album Guide?

    I was recently at my doctors office and to pass time while awaiting my appointment, I picked up the current Rolling Stones magazine. I was very surprised to see a whole page ad promoting a Special Rolling Stones Edition "The Ultimate Album-by-Album Guide." A google search tells me that the guide tells about the inspiration and inside story behind each album as well as iconic photographs that bring the whole experience to life. There is also a special IPAD issue which allows you to listen to audio samples of every song.

    Maybe at some future date, Rolling Stone will do a similar magazine on the Supremes.

    What do other forum members think about such a magazine?.

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    I would buy a physical copy of a magazine like that in a second!

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    Probably because they weren't as well known for having stellar albums as they were for singles and live performances/TV. There would also probably need to be a reason to promote the magazine, such as a reunion [[which won't happen, but let's not got there with this thread).

    There is a beautiful hard cover book about Verve Records that chronicles every artist and goes through most of the Verve catalogue. There is also a great Judy Garland companion that goes through her singles and then albums. And also one for Billie Holiday, I think. There was a magazine version for Ella Fitzgerald a few years back, but I can't remember who did it.

    The biggest obstacle is getting an author to sit down and do all the work. I can't imagine such a book would be cheap or a high-volume seller. It would have to be a labor of love.

    All that said, I'd buy either a magazine or book the first second it was available.
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    there's a mini version. in the appendix of Randy's last Diana book, George goes through all of the Sup lps while she was in the group. lists facts and info on the albums. also many of the albums are just collections of songs, not planning concepts.

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    Sadly, critics and polls when naming the greatest albums of all time just tend to list the Supremes anthology set. I agree they are seen as a singles act rather than an albums one. This fate has befallen all the classic sixties Hitsville acts groups. Its not until you get to Marvin's "What's Going On" or Stevie's "Music Of My Mind" that Motown became a critics darling for LPs.

    Even though most of the LPs weren't concept driven, I would love a track by track commentary from each album where all the girls contribute. I'd also want the producers and The Andantes to chip in too where necessary to cover spots when group members were absent. Combine it with fabulous photos from that particular period and it would be a great coffee table book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodward View Post
    I was recently at my doctors office and to pass time while awaiting my appointment, I picked up the current Rolling Stones magazine. I was very surprised to see a whole page ad promoting a Special Rolling Stones Edition "The Ultimate Album-by-Album Guide." A google search tells me that the guide tells about the inspiration and inside story behind each album as well as iconic photographs that bring the whole experience to life. There is also a special IPAD issue which allows you to listen to audio samples of every song.

    Maybe at some future date, Rolling Stone will do a similar magazine on the Supremes.

    What do other forum members think about such a magazine?.
    well at least mary wilsons my supremes magazine that came out a few yrs ago comes pretty close. It lists every single supremes album from meet the supremes to mary scherrie susaye as well as back stories of each edition of the group

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    Let's get serious: The Supremes were a singles group, and Motown in the 60s was a singles-oriented company. Most 60s Motown albums, save a scant few, were mostly filler concocted to capitalize on the strength of hit singles.

    In the 70s, artists got artistic freedom to produce their albums, which, by then, outsold singles. Radio started to play album cuts. This is why they suddenly gravitated to the likes of Marvin Gaye and Stevie Wonder.

    Rolling Stone has always been primarily a rock-oriented magazine. That means, bluntly, white males. Most White males who read Rolling Stone magazine are not known to be fans of singles, most R&B, and certainly not The Supremes! The group just doesn't appeal to them aside from some hit singles. This is why you will not see them do any kind of ultimate album guide for that group.

    If you want a list of that type for the Supremes, you'll have to search for, or create one on the internet.

    Just keeping it real.
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    From Soulster:

    He's totally right.

    Rolling Stone has always been primarily a rock-oriented magazine. That means, bluntly, white males. Most White males who read Rolling Stone magazine are not known to be fans of singles, most R&B, and certainly not The Supremes! The group just doesn't appeal to them aside from some hit singles. This is why you will not see them do any kind of ultimate album guide for that group.

    But there is that lengthy Diana Ross Album by Album analysis on line.

    I forget it's name, but I will go look for it.

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    Here it is:


    https://dianarossproject.wordpress.com/

    And the review of Baby It's Me pops up.

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    It is always mentioned how the Supremes were just a "singles group". Those that make that claim conveniently leave out the fact that they did record solid, themed albums.

    A bit of Liverpool
    The Supremes sing Country, Western, and Pop
    We remember Sam Cooke
    Merry Christmas
    The Supremes sing Holland Dozier Holland
    The Supremes sing Rodgers and Hart
    The Supremes sing and perform Funny Girl

    There were also cohesive commercially contemporary, successful albums like:

    I hear a Symphony
    Love Child
    Where did our love go?

    IMO many times the "singles act" comment is thrown out there with no merit.

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    That Springsteen site listed Ross albums sales in the USA alone [[aside from the Temptations albums) at about 54,000,000.

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    jobeterob, Many thanks for sharing the link to the Diana Ross Project. Decades ago, I subscribed to Rolling Stone, but as my musical tastes broadened, I seemed to grow out of it. Now, I can't even be bothered to flip through it at news stands to glance at album reviews. and to add to skooldem1's thoughts about "themed" Supremes albums, the entire side one of Reflections was very cohesive.

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    Skooldem - you're definitely right that the Sups recorded many concept albums. I'd maybe argue that the Sing HDH is really more about using the HDH name in the title that a real retrospect of HDH music. frankly More Hits could be a "Sing HDH" project. A Go Go could, and stretching here a little, be a "dance concept" album. But you're other selections are definitely right.

    Some people have criticized some of these lps though. Country Western is one that often gets a bad rap. Liverpool too. the critics say these are hasty efforts to get the supremes name out there, rather than true artistic efforts to capture the subject matter at hand. i think that's a bit harsh. Country Western does contain some wonderful 3-part harmonies of the original group. but it has a LOT of in-house compositions. was modeled off of Ray Charles' album but that was truly a groundbreaking project. he definitely approached it as a concept - taking c&w songs [[i.e. - whitest of white music) and doing them in a gospel and r&b styling. many of the songs were totally reimagined. that's the artistic merit of the project. the Sups C&W is nice but not really at that level.

    Liverpool is fun - probably mostly for fans. the Beatles and the British artists LOVED motown and Northern Soul. the Liverpool LP is really just to cash in on the invasion. while fun, i think it's rather sloppy. there are moments in the vocals where the girls aren't really together, little slips here and there.

    Sam Cooke is pretty solid. again excellent 3-part harmonies

    Merry Xmas is nice but some of the tracks are a bit overwrought. Joy To the World is one! and Diana is still a bit whiny and overly nasal, IMO. i think if this had been recorded a year or so later, with more mature vocals and productions, it would be even better

    Now R&H is excellent. this is worthy of a review by RS as it's stood the test of time. it's absolutely a concept and a wonderful one. again, IMO. the production quality has really improved - listen to the brass on the intro to Somewhere or Put On A Happy Face from the There's a Place sessions and hear how they're way too high in the mix. they're blaring, jarring, overpowering. strings are hit and miss too. now listen to any track from R&H and they backing tracks are glorious. Diana's vocals are wonderfully matured now too. And when they do really bring in M&F, together it's masterful. however by this time, there's less effort to go as much group sound and work. Remember Ipanema from There's and Bring It On Home To Me from Sam Cooke? those complex 3-part harmonies and considerable amount of them? there's limited extended 3-part work on R&H. just imagine if they'd recorded Sing For Your Supper - another great R&H gem. and done it in 3-part!

    As for LP's like Love Child, there was an effort to initiate a concept but it's dropped part of the way through. after the first handful of tracks, it's does a 180 to light-pop. not that there wasn't enough material recorded for this. i've made my own playlist of a proposed Love Child lp [[do a search on here an you'll find my post). same with Reflections. could have done a whole concept on that.

    Symphony is good but i contend that it too suffers from being "not quite there" in production values. the mixing of the backing tracks is still a bit off, like the There's A Place tracks. Funny Girl and R&H are simply lush and wonderful. just like the girls were growing as musicians, so were the producers and the productions.

    Also Motown spoiled albums with overt efforts at commercialism. the Cream of the Crop lp? Let the Sunshine In? these are definitely a hodgepodge of tracks. in that thread i mentioned of Love Child playlists, i've also done versions of these lps too

    basically i love the Sup albums because i'm a fan. if i had a time machine, i'd probably go back and make some adjustments

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    Skooldem - you're definitely right that the Sups recorded many concept albums. I'd maybe argue that the Sing HDH is really more about using the HDH name in the title that a real retrospect of HDH music. frankly More Hits could be a "Sing HDH" project. A Go Go could, and stretching here a little, be a "dance concept" album. But you're other selections are definitely right.

    Some people have criticized some of these lps though. Country Western is one that often gets a bad rap. Liverpool too. the critics say these are hasty efforts to get the supremes name out there, rather than true artistic efforts to capture the subject matter at hand. i think that's a bit harsh. Country Western does contain some wonderful 3-part harmonies of the original group. but it has a LOT of in-house compositions. was modeled off of Ray Charles' album but that was truly a groundbreaking project. he definitely approached it as a concept - taking c&w songs [[i.e. - whitest of white music) and doing them in a gospel and r&b styling. many of the songs were totally reimagined. that's the artistic merit of the project. the Sups C&W is nice but not really at that level.

    Liverpool is fun - probably mostly for fans. the Beatles and the British artists LOVED motown and Northern Soul. the Liverpool LP is really just to cash in on the invasion. while fun, i think it's rather sloppy. there are moments in the vocals where the girls aren't really together, little slips here and there.

    Sam Cooke is pretty solid. again excellent 3-part harmonies

    Merry Xmas is nice but some of the tracks are a bit overwrought. Joy To the World is one! and Diana is still a bit whiny and overly nasal, IMO. i think if this had been recorded a year or so later, with more mature vocals and productions, it would be even better

    Now R&H is excellent. this is worthy of a review by RS as it's stood the test of time. it's absolutely a concept and a wonderful one. again, IMO. the production quality has really improved - listen to the brass on the intro to Somewhere or Put On A Happy Face from the There's a Place sessions and hear how they're way too high in the mix. they're blaring, jarring, overpowering. strings are hit and miss too. now listen to any track from R&H and they backing tracks are glorious. Diana's vocals are wonderfully matured now too. And when they do really bring in M&F, together it's masterful. however by this time, there's less effort to go as much group sound and work. Remember Ipanema from There's and Bring It On Home To Me from Sam Cooke? those complex 3-part harmonies and considerable amount of them? there's limited extended 3-part work on R&H. just imagine if they'd recorded Sing For Your Supper - another great R&H gem. and done it in 3-part!

    As for LP's like Love Child, there was an effort to initiate a concept but it's dropped part of the way through. after the first handful of tracks, it's does a 180 to light-pop. not that there wasn't enough material recorded for this. i've made my own playlist of a proposed Love Child lp [[do a search on here an you'll find my post). same with Reflections. could have done a whole concept on that.

    Symphony is good but i contend that it too suffers from being "not quite there" in production values. the mixing of the backing tracks is still a bit off, like the There's A Place tracks. Funny Girl and R&H are simply lush and wonderful. just like the girls were growing as musicians, so were the producers and the productions.

    Also Motown spoiled albums with overt efforts at commercialism. the Cream of the Crop lp? Let the Sunshine In? these are definitely a hodgepodge of tracks. in that thread i mentioned of Love Child playlists, i've also done versions of these lps too

    basically i love the Sup albums because i'm a fan. if i had a time machine, i'd probably go back and make some adjustments

    Lord have mercy this place is tired.
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    Penny - if you're not interested in this topic then go find another one. or start your own. if you don't have something constructive to say, what's your point of posting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skooldem1 View Post
    It is always mentioned how the Supremes were just a "singles group". Those that make that claim conveniently leave out the fact that they did record solid, themed albums.

    A bit of Liverpool
    The Supremes sing Country, Western, and Pop
    We remember Sam Cooke
    Merry Christmas
    The Supremes sing Holland Dozier Holland
    The Supremes sing Rodgers and Hart
    The Supremes sing and perform Funny Girl
    Those albums are of interest only to the hardcore fans, who do not possess objectivity because they are huge fans.

    There were also cohesive commercially contemporary, successful albums like:

    I hear a Symphony
    Love Child
    Where did our love go?
    And, those are the albums that Motown quickly assembled with filler to promote the singles they were named after. This is not a slight on the quality of the music on these albums, but it's about the record company's priorities, which were singles. Even into the 70s, Motown's priorities were with the singles.

    Again, if you're looking for a magazine like Rolling Stone to do some critical analysis of their albums, you're looking in the wrong place. But, if they ever do, don't be surprised when the albums get panned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jobeterob View Post
    That Springsteen site listed Ross albums sales in the USA alone [[aside from the Temptations albums) at about 54,000,000.
    Indeed, Ross did much better as a solo artist than she did with her former group. No one in the world will ever dispute that. But, this thread is about The Supremes, not Ross, the solo artist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    Lord have mercy this place is tired.
    It sure is! Oh, a few of us have tried to bring back the diversity of topics that we used to have around here in the earlier days of the forum. It would be great to get some of the veteran engineers and producers back here, but I think all this endless Supremes/Ross crap chased them away. And, i'm one of the few people on this forum who will come out and say it.

    But, here's the kicker: I don't blame the Supremes/Ross fans. They are just talking about the singers they love. What I do blame is the silent majority, the forum members who just come here, read stuff, and leave. They don't start threads about stuff they like. They don't participate in threads that might interest them. They don't even speak out when they see something they don't like. What's the point of being on a forum if you aren't going to participate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    It sure is! Oh, a few of us have tried to bring back the diversity of topics that we used to have around here in the earlier days of the forum. It would be great to get some of the veteran engineers and producers back here, but I think all this endless Supremes/Ross crap chased them away. And, i'm one of the few people on this forum who will come out and say it.

    But, here's the kicker: I don't blame the Supremes/Ross fans. They are just talking about the singers they love. What I do blame is the silent majority, the forum members who just come here, read stuff, and leave. They don't start threads about stuff they like. They don't participate in threads that might interest them. They don't even speak out when they see something they don't like. What's the point of being on a forum if you aren't going to participate?
    You seem real unhappy with this here forum so why not start your own forum and invite and encourage folks to talk abut whats on they minds.

    Just some food for thoughts dear.

    Fondly,

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    Actually, I just googled and there are some forums for sound engineering and sound playback and sound quality. I think this forum is for the music itself, not our playback or quality of sound.

    However, there is room enough here to discuss it. I can understand that Soulster is trying to educate us about sound quality, but his method of teaching is lacking. He comes across as talking down to us.

    But if you ignore that unintended insult, what he says makes sense. When I got my new car last year, it came equipped with a Dolby system with about a dozen speakers. I listened some of my music and heard stuff that I never heard. Loved it. Soulster is saying the same thing to us , but on a higher level.

    I am satisfied with what I hear now and at my advanced age and bad hearing, I do not anticipate moving on to anything else.

    But I do appreciate Soulster's desire to educate us and advance us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberta75 View Post
    You seem real unhappy with this here forum so why not start your own forum and invite and encourage folks to talk abut whats on they minds.
    And you could start a dedicated Supremes /Ross forum and take all of your buddies with you.

    If I could start a audiophile-oriented R&B forum, I would. But, I doubt you were here twelve years ago. This place was very different, much more than it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by milven View Post
    Actually, I just googled and there are some forums for sound engineering and sound playback and sound quality. I think this forum is for the music itself, not our playback or quality of sound.
    Hey Milven, it's for all of it. We used to have mmore of those discussions here until just a few years ago. You may not have been paying attention, but Ralph has been trying to encourage technical threads.

    However, there is room enough here to discuss it. I can understand that Soulster is trying to educate us about sound quality, but his method of teaching is lacking. He comes across as talking down to us.
    I'm not trying to educate, i'm trying to get people to consider a better way. If you think i'm talking down to you, that's on your own insecurity, not me.

    But if you ignore that unintended insult, what he says makes sense.
    You guys are so sensitive. No one is trying to insult you.

    When I got my new car last year, it came equipped with a Dolby system with about a dozen speakers. I listened some of my music and heard stuff that I never heard. Loved it. Soulster is saying the same thing to us , but on a higher level.
    I'm not trying to speak over your heads, i'm just used to speaking about things on a different level. There are more people here like me, they just don't talk. I guess they are content to let the supremes.Ross fans take over.

    I am satisfied with what I hear now and at my advanced age and bad hearing, I do not anticipate moving on to anything else.
    Well, that's fair.

    But I do appreciate Soulster's desire to educate us and advance us.
    Well, thanks.
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    There really was no reason to descend into this abyss.

    Can we suggest what we would like to see in a complete Supremes albums magazine or book? I personally would love to have a nice glossy print collection that links rare photos to albums and maybe puts them into a broader context. For instance, there was a great discussion on this site as to why "Nothing But Heartaches" didn't chart higher [[its one of my personal favs) and it was really nice to read that there were so many other 60s classics that week. That helped me understand why such a phenomenal song didn't chart higher.

    If you don't like this thread, then please do not click on it. Problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanxal View Post
    There really was no reason to descend into this abyss.
    If you go through each post in this thread, you can see how it got to where it went. You will also see that I addressed the thread topic early on. Just because I stated why Rolling Stone magazine wouldn't be bothered with a Supremes album analysis does not mean I should avoid the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    If you go through each post in this thread, you can see how it got to where it went. You will also see that I addressed the thread topic early on. Just because I stated why Rolling Stone magazine wouldn't be bothered with a Supremes album analysis does not mean I should avoid the thread.
    I never said it was your fault.

    I would hope that we could get back to the original question, as it was a good one. I think you were right when you commented that Rolling Stone would never pay such a tribute to three black girls from Detroit. Unfortunately most people don't get this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    And you could start a dedicated Supremes /Ross forum and take all of your buddies with you.

    If I could start a audiophile-oriented R&B forum, I would. But, I doubt you were here twelve years ago. This place was very different, much more than it is now.
    But i rarely start Diane Ross or Supremes threads dear. All im saying is start your own forum about audiophile and technicals stuff. youve got many great gifts dear so dare to dream. your real real intelligent imo and your knowledge need to be shared thats all im saying.

    Yours, with every good wish.

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    Getting back on topic, I think perhaps the biggest reason is that the Supremes were entertainers, not musicians. When you look at their contemporaries: The Beatles, Elvis, The Rolling Stones; these artists wrote [[and produced) their own music. The Supremes were just "the voice" for HDH, and others. I don't know what Diana or Mary could add; in many cases the vocals were laid down seperate from one another; a far cry from the early days when they were bunched up in a recording booth. And truth told, if neither Supreme can ever remember the YEAR a record was released, there's little doubt they can remember much about a session.

    What would be interesting, although it wouldn't span the Supremes whole career, is a "hit by hit" guide from HDH. The stories behind the songs. Put to rest the rumors of: was Kim Weston REALLY originally intended for "Dancing in the Street"? How did "Pay Back" [[working title) eventually become "You Keep me Hangin' On"? Was there a real "Bernadette"?

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    Mary - great points. they recorded SOOOOO much that often times people don't remember a specific session or recording time. and let's not forget it's 50 years! memories fade and blur together. They have included some anecdotes here and there in some of the Singles reissues. a few insights. i would love to hear more too about the development process. release the demo tracks and more alt takes. some of the rehearsal tracks

    And back to Rolling Stones, they did review many of the albums, in particular the 70s sets. most were pretty strong reviews too

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    Quote Originally Posted by thanxal View Post
    I never said it was your fault.

    I would hope that we could get back to the original question, as it was a good one. I think you were right when you commented that Rolling Stone would never pay such a tribute to three black girls from Detroit. Unfortunately most people don't get this.
    Thanks. I'm also not the one who got personal attempted to make this about me.

    I notice that Rolling Stone does pay attention to hip-hop/rap and contemporary R&B. They recently had a story on Nicki Minaj, and now they have a special issue of the 100 best rap songs, or something like that on the stands now. Those audiences have little or no interest in Diana Ross and the Supremes. So, what magazines, print or online, will be interested? I doubt it will be one I would ever read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roberta75 View Post
    But i rarely start Diane Ross or Supremes threads dear.
    There are more people on this forum than you...dear. Before you showed up, we had a lot of technical threads. A few members have recently started more technical threads recently. And, Ralph had been enthusiastic about technical threads here, even got his brother, the legendary Russ Terrana, to post here. So, I don't need to say anything else about it. Technical threads are desired here. If you don't like it, you can skip the threads. Now...ahem...back to the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    There are more people on this forum than you...dear. Before you showed up, we had a lot of technical threads. A few members have recently started more technical threads recently. And, Ralph had been enthusiastic about technical threads here, even got his brother, the legendary Russ Terrana, to post here. So, I don't need to say anything else about it. Technical threads are desired here. If you don't like it, you can skip the threads. Now...ahem...back to the topic.
    Just as long as your happy dear but I have this real strong feeling in the pits of my stomach that youd love to moderate a group. I was only trying to encorage you to go for your dreams my dear soulster but it seem like ive his a nerve.

    Have a real fine evening.

    Fondly,

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    Robert75, I did not read your last post, and have no desire to continue to engage in this attempt to bait me into a personal spat. Everyone sees who is attempting to pull this thread into the sewer.

    Concentrate on the topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulster View Post
    Robert75, I did not read your last post, and have no desire to continue to engage in this attempt to bait me into a personal spat. Everyone sees who is attempting to pull this thread into the sewer.

    Concentrate on the topic at hand.
    Nobodys trying to bait you and nobody near a sewer my dear Soulster. All im doing is encouaraging you but if you see my encuragement in a different light i will retreat into silent prayer for you.

    Yours, with every genuine good wish.

    Roberta

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    Quote Originally Posted by sup_fan View Post
    Mary - great points. they recorded SOOOOO much that often times people don't remember a specific session or recording time. and let's not forget it's 50 years! memories fade and blur together. They have included some anecdotes here and there in some of the Singles reissues. a few insights. i would love to hear more too about the development process. release the demo tracks and more alt takes. some of the rehearsal tracks

    And back to Rolling Stones, they did review many of the albums, in particular the 70s sets. most were pretty strong reviews too
    I couldn't agree more. I love all of the "extras" we have gotten over the years; alternate vocals, demo tracks, whatever. I mean, who didn't pee just a little the first time "the third verse" for "Love Child" was discovered. Or when "Reflections" ended with, in unison, "Refectionnnnnnnns". That's where the meat is, honey!

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    Thematic albums were commonplace in the 60s.

    I took a very brief and quick glance at the album releases for my mother's favorite singer back then, Andy Williams, and immediately found two albums: From 1962 Moon River & Other Great Movie Themes and from 1964 The Great Songs from My Fair Lady and other Broadway Hits. I know from memory there were plenty just like that from many other singers. Ella Fitzgerald had several, during her recording career, including a Rodgers & Hart collection.

    I don't think much could be revealed regarding The Supremes, or other Motown artists, themed albums. However, I would be interested in reading an evaluation of any albums from Motown that defined the group, the company and/or the era. That would be a worthwhile project for Rolling Stone.

    For The Supremes maybe WDOLG, MH, A' Go-Go and Love Child would be albums that defined an important benchmark in their popularity.

    TCMS series is comprehensive in discussing most A-side releases but I felt lacking with details for many B-sides. Unless my memory is failing, I feel many of the Motown biographies have minimal discussions on song or album details.
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    It's some people pretend to be nice here,but they are very nasty,they say i like them but,then say something real nasty,like we can't read between the lines,smh you know who you are,we know who you are lol,we can be on one topic,and someone will mess it up,and make it about another person.For the most part,i agree with you Soulster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REDHOT View Post
    It's some people pretend to be nice here,but they are very nasty,they say i like them but,then say something real nasty,like we can't read between the lines,smh you know who you are,we know who you are lol,we can be on one topic,and someone will mess it up,and make it about another person.For the most part,i agree with you Soulster.
    Reading between the lines youre being real passive aggresive REDHOT so if youve something to say to someone say it respectfully and honestly. You used to be real positive and upfront. I miss that person.

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    Don't let this thread fall apart, gang.

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    Or could the desired Supremes album by album guide be expanded for all and incorporated into a "Complete Motown Albums" series - a la "Complete Motown Singles"?

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    Or if it's just a read you're after - WIKIPEDIA generally has album by album guides [[a page for each album that can be accessed chronologically.

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    I might also add that this is what Andy and Geroge were doing with their "Expanded Editions" on the Supremes. The liner notes, interviews, pictures and "timeline" often made it worth the purchase price, alone.

    I'm appreciative of these gems.

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    I agree with Mary Brewster. The Expanded Editions are worth buying simply for the interviews and booklets and the surprising bits of information they contain that can shoot down previously held theories! And then on top of it, you'll get a new take on a long loved song!

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