Holland-Dozier-Holland: The Complete 45s Collection - Box Set.

[theboyfromxtown]

If you look on youtube one of the instrumental tracks is already there......

[malvu]

If you look on youtube one of the instrumental tracks is already there......

Thanks for the tip!

[theboyfromxtown]

The version of Baby Doll on this set is not the same as on youtube. Copy that video quick

[snakepit]

Price reduced on Amazon uk...£49

Get in quick...

[theboyfromxtown]

It's a bit naughty for those that paid over £60.

I understand that in the USA, prices range from about $75 to $180.

[snakepit]

I paid £60.99... but not a pre-order. Alerted on another forum
Rang Amazon UK and manged to get an £11 refund, but with an email that informs me that it is NOT their regularly policy.
I reckon that they checked and found out that the £11 was worth the effort for a regular customer.
It would have been a mistake on their part if they hadn't

[theboyfromxtown]

Good thinking Snakepit.

You had a 50% of them saying yes and they did...well done

[bradburger]

Umm...

Now up to & £69.99 I see!

Cheers

Paul

[theboyfromxtown]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...&condition=new

[theboyfromxtown]

I feel for you guys who can't download the tracks. Unfortunately, apart from a jpg file that is a photo of the box set. The remaining three tracks which are all instrumentals are all WAV files and appear to be far too large to send by email.

[theboyfromxtown]

If anyone thought that they might be able to let go of their original US Invictus 45's, I'd think again. There are different mixes on those singles.

Great box set nevertheless and the new tracks make it worth it's weight in gold for me.

[theboyfromxtown]

Charles Stephen Jackson has written to me on Facebook and stated the members of Brotherly Love are.....

Charles Stephen Jackson, the original of the group the next to my brother, there or 5 of us not 2 our names Reggie Jackson, Aaron Jackson, Edward Jackson, me CharLes Stephen Jackson, and Wayne the oldest, never heard of al are chestnuts somebody better call Tyrone and not Tyrone Davis thank you lol.

That's copied from his Facebook post

[motownmorph1]

Amazon in the UK have this box set at £70 right now, does anyone know if it is cheaper anywhere else or is this the lowest price?

[mr soul]

Motownmorph1 I notice Amazon UK Marketplace dealer Zoverstocks are selling it for £56.44 & £1.26 postage. I've dealt with them before & always been satisfied with the service.

[motownmorph1]

thanks Mr Soul, will go & have a look, if its still at that price I will order it!

[psychedelic jacques]

Does the accompanying booket give recording dates [[or even just the year) for the previously unreleased tracks? I was wondering if the Eloise Laws tracks were from the earlier 'Music Merchant' period, or the later 'Invictus' period. Would someone mind letting me know what they are if they are listed? Also the two Chairmen of the Board unreleased tracks [['what's the use' and 'where there's faith').
Thanks. PJ

[soulster]

Again, I think it's insulting to the customer to try to pass off album versions of songs that aren't actually the 45 versions. It's even worse to try to fade them early like the 45s and still try to pass them off as the 45 versions. I don't respect companies that do this. It makes me not want to ever buy anything from them. These companies don't want your praise or your loyalty. They just want your money. They don't care. And, by you suckers buying this set that was created under false pretenses, you are telling them that they can do it again. Sorry about my strong wording, but this company has shown that they have no integrity, and don't respect their customers. This is 2014, and we shouldn't put up with this crap! Vintage soul music is hard enough to get these days. Every effort should be made to get it right. And, if they can't get it right, tell the truth about it!

Bottom line: if you aren't going to use the actual 45 versions, don't advertise it! Period!

[bradburger]

I note that the sets producer, Ian Dewhirst, has made a few comments about the use of mostly stereo mixes on this set on the Soul-Source Forum: -

http://www.soul-source.co.uk/soulfor...set/?p=2107938

I was going to post this on the thread about this set in the Motown forum, but I think it must have been removed, as the last time I looked at it, things were starting to turn a bit nasty.

Cheers

Paul

[soulster]

Cheers Steve. We really do try and get these as right as possible under present day conditions. We've had a bit of stick because we couldn't always get hold of the original mono tapes, so in some cases we had to edit down a stereo or album version which is a pain but what else can you do?

Master retreival and access are the biggest problems for me these days. All eras too. It's amazing how many masters are destroyed, unusable or have been dumped forever.

But I'm happy with the HDH box set. Invaluable as a quick reference tool so always handy to have on the shelves!

Ian D

No excuse! If that were the case, he should have either made some needledrops or changed the name of the set. Period.

I fully understand how hard it is to get correct tapes from the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s, but you should get your ducks in a row before you do a singles project.

If Mr. Dewhurst had just come here and been honest about it before the set was released, there wouldn't have been any backlash.

[Motown Eddie]

No excuse! If that were the case, he should have either made some needledrops or changed the name of the set. Period.

I fully understand how hard it is to get correct tapes from the 60s, 70s, and even the 80s, but you should get your ducks in a row before you do a singles project.

If Mr. Dewhurst had just come here and been honest about it before the set was released, there wouldn't have been any backlash.

Agreed! Here's another flub on the HDH Singles Box Set; Eloise Laws' "Stay With Me" is included twice [[on CD 8 as Invictus B-side 1277 and CD 14 as Music Merchant B-side 1013). Unless they were different takes [[or mixes) of the song, this should not have been done. Also, it would've been nice to have some more information on the previously unreleased tracks on CDs 13 & 14 such as writer, producer and recording dates.

[soulster]

The only recourse is if a collector gathers all of the 45s/45 versions and does the project him/herself.

To be fair, many times the deadline is set in stone, dup plant date is set, and the artwork all ready for the discs. Still, master those records just in case.

[144man]

It's pretty tricky. The 45 I bought of "I'm Not My Brother's Keeper" didn't sound like the version I'd heard on the radio.

[soulster]

Well, remember that the U.K. sometimes got different versions.

[Sotosound]

Well, remember that the U.K. sometimes got different versions.

I have this on an original UK EMI Hot Wax single and it's clearly a dedicated mono mix. Whether it's the same as the US single mix I can't say.

The lyrics are also different to the stereo mix that's turned up on various Invictus / Hot Wax hit compilations in more recent years.

In terms of the UK getting different versions, my limited experience is that this was primarily restricted to Chairmen Of The Board singles for some reason. All of the Freda Payne singles that I have, for instance, are proper mono mixes.

[roger]

In terms of the UK getting different versions, my limited experience is that this was primarily restricted to Chairmen Of The Board singles for some reason. All of the Freda Payne singles that I have, for instance, are proper mono mixes.

The 45cat website has label scans of the "A"s of most of the U.K. Invictus releases ....

http://www.45cat.com/label/invictus

It looks like the following Freda Payne 45s were in Stereo ....

INV 518 "You've Got to Love Somebody" ...

http://www.45cat.com/record/inv518

INV 529 "I Shall Not Be Moved" ...

http://www.45cat.com/record/inv529

For those who are unaware of how I can tell this [[as the labels do not have Stereo explicitly written on them) EMI had a convention of prefixing the "small version" of the catalogue number with the letter "y" if the record was in stereo. The "small version" is to be found on the left hand side of the label ... so ... looking at the two biggest CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD hits .....

INV 501 "Give Me Just A Little More Time" is in mono .... http://www.45cat.com/record/inv501

INV 504 "You've Got Me Dangling On A String" is in stereo ... http://www.45cat.com/record/inv504

This is their U.K. Hot Wax discography ....

http://www.45cat.com/label/hot-wax

And the same rules apply .... for example ....

HWX 103 - HONEYCONE "While You're Out looking For Sugar" .. Stereo .. http://www.45cat.com/record/hwx103

HWX 107 - HONEYCONE "Want Ads" .... Mono .... http://www.45cat.com/record/hwx107

Roger ....

[Sotosound]

The 45cat website has label scans of the "A"s of most of the U.K. Invictus releases ....

http://www.45cat.com/label/invictus

It looks like the following Freda Payne 45s were in Stereo ....

INV 518 "You've Got to Love Somebody" ...

http://www.45cat.com/record/inv518

INV 529 "I Shall Not Be Moved" ...

http://www.45cat.com/record/inv529

For those who are unaware of how I can tell this [[as the labels do not have Stereo explicitly written on them) EMI had a convention of prefixing the "small version" of the catalogue number with the letter "y" if the record was in stereo. The "small version" is to be found on the left hand side of the label ... so ... looking at the two biggest CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD hits .....

INV 501 "Give Me Just A Little More Time" is in mono .... http://www.45cat.com/record/inv501

INV 504 "You've Got Me Dangling On A String" is in stereo ... http://www.45cat.com/record/inv504

This is their U.K. Hot Wax discography ....

http://www.45cat.com/label/hot-wax

And the same rules apply .... for example ....

HWX 103 - HONEYCONE "While You're Out looking For Sugar" .. Stereo .. http://www.45cat.com/record/hwx103

HWX 107 - HONEYCONE "Want Ads" .... Mono .... http://www.45cat.com/record/hwx107

Roger ....

INV 501 is indeed mono, but it's a fold-down of the stereo mix. I have a mono button that tells me this. It still sounds good in an AM-friendly sort of way, however, because the mastering is very hot in the upper mid-range.

I also have the original US single and that's an entirely different mix.

Strangely, however, the UK fold-down sounds more lively to me and I prefer it for that reason.

The UK release of "Everything's Tuesday" is similarly a fold-down but I also have a version release in the UK in the early 80s on Inferno records that is definitely a mono mix although whether or not it's the US single mix I cannot say. It's on a 3-track single along with GMJALMT" and "YGMDOAS" and both of those are the US single mixes, released in the UK for the first and probably last time.

[theboyfromxtown]

HDH releases were later put out on a variety of labels. Even I gave up on some of those re-issues except the Inferno releases.

[roger]

It sounds like I should have got my grubby little hands on that CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD Inferno 45 Sotosound, as until now I didn't realise that it was any different to the U.K. Invictus 45s I already had!!

I did purchase the two other H-D-H Inferno releases .. the "Northern" double-header of "Love Factory" and "Sliced Tomatoes" and the reissue of "Band of Gold" that had the long version on the "B" side [[which was almost like a completely different record) ...

This is the 45 with the long version of "Band of Gold" ....

http://www.45cat.com/record/heat17

Roger

[soulster]

I think I have an mp3 of that long alternate version.

[144man]

Well, remember that the U.K. sometimes got different versions.

I should have said that the likeliest place I would have heard this was on Dutch pirate station, Radio Veronica. They used to do a rundown of the Billboard charts every week, so would have played the US versions.

[theboyfromxtown]

I bought all the Inferno releases and was mighty pleased with the US mix of Dangling. I got the GOld copy and ordinary black copy of "Band Of Gold " [[BOG) . I still have spares of the Gold edition of "BOG". It's the HDH label where I made up my mind that enough was enough

It sounds like I should have got my grubby little hands on that CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD Inferno 45 Sotosound, as until now I didn't realise that it was any different to the U.K. Invictus 45s I already had!!

I did purchase the two other H-D-H Inferno releases .. the "Northern" double-header of "Love Factory" and "Sliced Tomatoes" and the reissue of "Band of Gold" that had the long version on the "B" side [[which was almost like a completely different record) ...

This is the 45 with the long version of "Band of Gold" ....

http://www.45cat.com/record/heat17

Roger

[Sotosound]

I have this on an original UK EMI Hot Wax single and it's clearly a dedicated mono mix. Whether it's the same as the US single mix I can't say.

The lyrics are also different to the stereo mix that's turned up on various Invictus / Hot Wax hit compilations in more recent years.

In terms of the UK getting different versions, my limited experience is that this was primarily restricted to Chairmen Of The Board singles for some reason. All of the Freda Payne singles that I have, for instance, are proper mono mixes.

I've just listened to the original US single of "I'm Not My Brother's Keeper" courtesy of Youtube, and it's the same as the version released on UK single.

[Sotosound]

I've just listened to the original US single of "I'm Not My Brother's Keeper" courtesy of Youtube, and it's the same as the version released on UK single.

And now I've done the same with "Everything's Tuesday" and can confirm that the version released on Inferno in the early 80s is the original US single mix which, in turn, is different to the fold-down of the stereo mix that we Brits originally got given.