Mary may not be on the recorded version of Love Child but she did sing it a few hundred times in performance. Her saying she sang it doesn't mean the recording.
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No no no no how many times do you have to be told it is not aMary Wilson song she covers Diana Ross songs as she is not known more than a back up singer,maybe if she had not been knocking round with married men ,Tom Jones etc she may have sung on the songs,though i hear Florence on Love Child .heeee he
This is just plain stupid hate....
Diana has never said she was on I will Survive or Carry On. If Mary has said she was on Love Child [[which by the way she has never said that to me) that is just not true. Diana made it a million $$ comeback recording and Mary was no where to be found. This is just plain crazy.
Also if Mary felt she sounded better on lead with Love Child then release it as a single and lets see where e go with that. Truth be known the reason the girls probably never received a Grammy was they could not figure out who the heck was in the background. Justice finally won out when they decided to just give it to Diana as a Lifetime Achievement Award.
You must have forgot [[after all, next month, October 2016 will mark the 30th Anniversary of the release of Mary's epic book, "Dreamgirl, My Life As A Supreme"!). that Mary Wilson was the FIRST and ONLY one to tell us that she and Cindy Birdsong were not on the Love Child recording in that extremely successful book! So to sit here now and pretend that Mary has said that she was on that record is disingenuous on your part!
Go back and re-read your copy of her book. Note the publishing date in the front too.
Why are you pretending that they were not a group? Anything Diane was able to accomplish, was just an extension of what the Supremes accomplished. There would not have been a "Diana Ross" if it were not for "The Supremes". Her career is dead now anyway, so there's nothing to argue about here.
The last 3 times I saw Ms. Ross she was selling out to audiences and very much alive. Berry would never have signed the girls if it wasn't for Diana. If you ever see Motown the Musical you will see that it surrounds Diana and Berry love for her. Mary has never had a hit record as her as the lead or as a solo. She is the one riding on the success of the Supremes. That is the only reason people even know who she was part of. I am not pretending anything that Diana was part of but Diana became the group. She became bigger than the group. There was going to be a Diana Ross because that is what Berry Gordy wanted for his company. She still reign.
Diana was the Queen of Motown.....ask Valerie Simpson, HDH or anyone at Motown during that time.
It doesn't matter! They started as a group. But the background drama of it all undermined it and now it's all anyone talks about re: the supremes.
The fact is that Florence s not on Reflections and Mary is questionable. The lead voice we know.
Although I can hear Florence on that record, it says here she recorded it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflec...Supremes_song)
See, Mary says right here on page 204 of "Dreamgirl, My Life As A Supreme" that Florence is on the record "Reflections". She should know, she was there with her in recording studio when they recorded it:
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Captain James you've been listening to those "mysterious voices" in your head again and for all these years if you thought that Mary Wilson and Florence Ballard were not singing on the song "Reflections"! LOL!!!!
Mary likes to protect Flo, the legacy and the image of the group. Mary will not publicly admit Florence is not on those songs. The fact is Flo missed recording sessions and she is not on several recordings. That's a fact. It's one of the reasons why she was fired. Florence not being on "Reflections" fits into the timeline of events beginning in April with Florence being sent home, Diana and Mary duo show, Marlene Barrow being flown in for the rest of the shows, the meeting at Gordy's mansion, Cindy's first appearance at the Hollywood Bowl, and then Florence's reappearance on Ed Sullivan. Listen to those vocals. It's pretty telling.
Yeah and you know what? All that is nice,but the fact remains we were not there. Mary Wilson was there. Heck at that time I was only 7 years old and could have care less about what was going on up in Detroit with the Supremes LOL! I have to go with Mary said and my own ears.
She just did not miss THAT recording session. I hear her on that song.
He is not right, Mary Wilson one of the Original Supremes is right. She was right there when all of this stuff happened. Mary and Florence are singing together on "Reflections". You must have really listen to the song. For like the at least 5th time since I've been a member of Soulful Detroit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2ehRsv68Bg
and remember Captain James......."cause nothing's real" LOL! Listen to my ladies sounding so good on the background in the clip above!
Strange you believed Mary when she said that neither she or Cindy Birdsong were on "Love Child" or "Someday We'll Be Together", but with "Reflections" all of sudden she doesn't know what she is talking about? GTFO! LOL!!!
Lolol. Good point. Selective reporting
It is extremely clear to me, in the recording that the higher voice in the back in Reflections is *exactly* **IDENTICAL** to the higher voice in the back of Love Child.
Florence was back in the group for at least a week by the time reflections was recorded. There's no reason why they wouldn't have used her in the studio. She was also on probation at this time, so if she was a no show wouldn't have she been fired then? Also don't agree with her not being on You can't hurry love. I hear her underneath Mary.
With all that being said I do think the backgrounds on Reflections sound horrible.
Mary and Flo are not on Reflections.
Berry did Berry around this time.
1967 was about Diana ..............................
Flo's termination wasnt so cut and dried..Berry had the most successful group in the U.S. and he was scared to change the formula for fear of public reaction..yes Cindy was waiting in the wings but that was "just in case"..the night before she was fired there was no sign of trouble - Flo,Mary Diana and many female Gordy family members had a night of celebrations..Flo was hung over when she arrived to prep for her final show and was enraged by the sight of Cindys costume [[which she wasnt meant to see)..and by her own admission - "I had me some drinks" and went on stage drunk...as for the recording of "Reflections" by 1967 HDH were using extensive over dub sessions and Mary Flo and Diana would record their parts many times seperatley on different dates its also important to note that when the Andantes were added to "The Happening" Flos complaint to Gordy on using them caused him to delete their vocals from the release as I stated above - Gordy didnt want to meddle with the winning formula..if Flo had listened to Berrys sister and gone on stage for the next performance after he told her she was thru Gordy wouldnt have dared throw off stage as he threatened to do..sadly Flo had more power and leverage in the situation than she knew - she didnt help herself turning up to the final meeting being despondent and not talking when it came to the crunch the exhaustion of their work schedule had defeated her
Reflections was also going to be the last single by the supremes ,with the departure Florence and HDH.motown felt the supremes would never recover. it was decided to bring Flo back issue the blue hits lp and a farewell tour.diana bucked and didn't want to leave yet and the group was saved ....but with Cindy getting the job.
I cant tell who sang backing vocals on Reflections.its one of my favorites, I am assuming it is Mary and Florence but I honestly cant tell. I remember a Motown insider stating it was Florence on this and that it was recorded around the same time as a few others. I think I hear MW but not Florence but ....who knows for sure....at this point...I don't care,
some people dig their own grave and I am thinking that is what Flo did . usually I cant hear the Mary and Flo harmony but I can not tell with this.still a favorite song of mine.
>it does not matter if flo is or is not on reflections because that record was the first recording labeled diana ross and the supremes and flo wanted no part of that billing. What does matter is that flo and mary back diana on 10 number ones since ychl has been proven to be flo on t track. The world knew the original supremes has diana mary and flo and florences vocals from meet the supremes all t way thru the rogers and hart lp and t greatest hits vol 2 are well represented and thts all that matters. After flo left the sound no longer had that distinct sound we so remrmber on records like come see about me baby love back in my arms again, nothing but heartaches, love is like an itching in my heart, just to name a few like diana said florence had this incredible voice and thats what mattered no matter what happened behind closed doors!
If you want to hear mary and flo blend listen to the country western album the more hits album, the rogers and hart album,, the liverpool sessions and the go go sessions.
And lastly but not least the supremes at the copa and the supremes live at the roostertail from the symphony expanded set. Flo is heard in all her glory.
Flo is glorious on the live "Anyone Who Had A heart" included on the "Meet The Supremes" expanded edition
Didn't the andantes do the Christmas album?
On the newly released singles collection of 2011, Florence was only on as lead, in two unused tracks, one of the songs was released in 1999; Mary Wilson was not recorded on any of the album track sessions. It was reissued in 1999 in CD form with four bonus tracks, including a cover of "Just a Lonely Christmas" [[originally recorded by Harvey Fuqua's group The Moonglows), and a Florence Ballard-led version of "Silent Night". The Andantes has been recently acknowledged that they recorded the background vocals. Hope that helps.