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I have the urge to post that quantum scientists think that there are an infinite number of alternate worlds In existence, and in some of them the Supremes must have been successful with Mary or Flo as lead singer. We just don't happen to live in any of those realities. So far I have resisted the temptation.
Your supreme restraint is most admirable, and will keep you on the right path. Lead us not into Temptations....
I was half-hoping you'd tell me to post it.
And you were, of course, also half-hoping I'd tell you NOT to.......
There will be a good reason why you've not posted it...so your own judgement will be the best.
Do you suppose that somewhere in the multiverse, there's a world where Gordy cloned Ms. Ross to sing her own backup vocals and the group folded because nobody was willing to let someone else stand in front on the stage? I can also foresee where it'd be a problem with calling the group "Diana Rosses and the Supremes".
Each time I read the threads on that subject [[and I do read them all) I am reminded of the huge gulf between, on one side, the fans and followers of the music and, on the other, the need to operate Motown as a business.
Yes. Personalities aside, you sell what the public desires and sometimes 51% of them want something and 49% want the other. It's hard for the 49% to accept that the best business plan may not be swayed by their sense of what is "good" or "fair". Regardless of their affection for Mary and Flo, nobody can deny that Diana was extremely marketable and became one of the iconic faces of Hitsville.
I'd say, to people who represent the pop market, Diana became THE face of Motown for many years, and may even remain so, if only by historic association with the name.
On the soul/r&b market, she became, as you say, one of the iconic faces of Hitsville, if not fully representing the artistic scope of Motown.
And in the broad scope of things, her role indirectly influenced every other artist in the stable by strengthening the brand and opening formats. It must be terribly difficult for some to separate her contentious personality from the fact that she was ultimately quite important and powerful. Some of their favorite artists, who might not have been chart toppers, may not have had studio support if the company was not doing well.
Exactly. For any of us, it is difficult to like someone when there's an overwhelming nagging feeling of truth inside, telling us that we may only go where they lead.
We are all snobs in one regard or the other and it serves our egos to believe that the opinions of the majority bears them out as idiots. What a boring world it would be if we saw eye-to-eye on everything. What a troubled world it would be if everyone who knew more than the decision makers was permitted [[even for one day) to make decisions.
Viewing it as a troubled world would depend on which side you're on...LOL
Truth. But it's so easy to second guess. Who cannot look at a situation and determine how better it might have been handled? Talk radio is full of people who refuse to acknowledge that something is good when someone that they dislike did it. Words are more powerful than many want to acknowledge and there are some who know full-well that they can poison shallow minds by making them think that the bright light in the noonday sky is actually the moon, regardless of what the Prime Minister thinks.
I'd take a little kindness over a lot of intelligence, any day.
It's best if the intelligent person is also kind. If given the choice, I'll take intelligence over naiveté, though.
However intelligence needs to be tempered by a little bit of common sense.
Common sense, empathy and intelligence, in that order, sounds good to me, based on the people I have encountered to date.....
Hmmm... And do you find appropriate levels of each [[or any) around here?
I was meaning in real life. Now, this forum here is an 'imitation of life'. People can be just as strange here as elsewhere and, sometimes, even a little more so.
For instance, they contribute to a thread which becomes unruly and is deleted...so they set up a new thread, and just carry on talking about how strange it was that the original thread was deleted. So yes, 'imitation of life' does seem appropriate......
I submit that we know each other better than many of our family and friends do. For proof, consider that we're capable of saying things to each other that we'd never say to them. Consequently, it's not an imitation of life but a revelation of life that we see here.
I can't see anyone here, or really 'know' them so, to me, it doesn't seem such a complete reality.
But it does allow me to express myself, as me...and that indeed makes it a reality as an extension of the real me....and a very creative one, with untold options...which is very positive, and very beneficial.
In the end, nobody knows who we really are. I doubt that we even see ourselves in a true light, since nobody is the villain in his own book...
Although I've done a lot of introspection on those lines in my time, it isn't really helpful to consider that others may see us in a less favourable light than we envisage ourselves.
If anything, the opposite is true, as I now tend to feel disconcerted if someone makes it clear that I'm more than just OK in their book.
Hmmmm... I was thinking that people tend to see us in a more positive light than they probably should but you discerned them to have a more negative perspective. I agree that it doesn't matter [[unless they are in position to affect our job or living statuses), but it's interesting that our views on how they might see us differs.
I was thinking that they may see us to be good, as much as bad, but still just best not to dwell too long on which of the two it is.
When someone regards me or you, their assessment of us, good or bad, is probably and simply very much influenced by how they view themselves at that time.
"Projection". That's a tricky little psychological reality. Ten people can look at the same person and form ten different instant opinions of who that person is based upon her clothes, expression, posture, hair color/style, or makeup. Chances are very good that none of their assumptions accurately reflect her, but to them, she is forever who she was thought to be at first glance. And typically, those perceived attributes are reflective upon the person assigning them more that the person being assessed.
We only see what we want to see.
When we become obliged to see it differently, it hurts.
But why do many get upset with the person shining the light on their shortcomings instead of realizing that they need to change or accept it? The truth is what it is, so I don't understand why revelation makes the person who revealed it the enemy.
I think there's an element of "that's for me to know, and for you to find out".....and people can become annoyed when it is made plain that the truth is obvious to others, no matter how hard the attempt to conceal it.
Good point. I think that there's also an element of self-deception, wherein the person rationalized the behavior to mitigate how wrong it was. For example, what if I only said something deceptive to a friend because it would upset him to find out that I was sleeping with his girlfriend. Since it was a brief affair and now has ended, there's nothing productive to be made of telling him the truth, so if I don't confess when we talk about her, it's for his benefit. Therefore, what might be considered a lie is really not so bad because my intentions were just.
Of course, when he inevitably finds out and he confronts me, I'll have every excuse in the book about what I did and why I couldn't tell the truth. Those excuses will include trying to protect him in addition to his complicating my life by failing to pay proper attention to his girlfriend. As I get defensive, I'll do my damnedest [[first time I actually saw that word spelled out...) to make him and her to be the villains and me to be the victim. I'm only human, after all, and that is what we do when we get caught.
Tricky! Perhaps it's a matter of what would cause you the most stress : telling him about it, or waiting until he gets to know of it.
Or - God forbid - being a true friend and avoiding the situation altogether. Of course, if you were to tell him that something nearly happened, he'll confront her and it'll be Percy Sledge singing in the soundtrack of your life about what happens when a man loves a woman. "Sorry, Dawg. Cindy told me that you pushed up on her. I can't hang with a backstabber any more."
Forget the fact that you're the one who told him about it first...
You could cling to the hope that he'll not think much of her for betraying him in favour of you...and come and thank you later for alerting him to what she was really like....
There's always hope. But it seems that once the bond of friendship is broken, it is never restored quite so strong. One person might resent the other because he has to swallow his pride, become humble, and admit that he was wrong. Or the other one might hold on to the bitter words that were expressed before the breakup, regardless of how humble his friend now purports to be. The dynamics of friendship are complex and they can be irreparably altered by the smallest things.
It took me quite a while to notice that friendships are based, at least to some degree, on a keen sense of competition.
Everyone wants to feel they have people around who they feel they can trust, but they also want to present themselves to best effect. The conflict between the two leads to tensions, but I suppose we're all selling something....
Keen observations. Would you define the strength of friendship to be based upon what someone would do for you or based upon what you're willing to do for them?
Friendship is about how I define the needs of someone I like, and how I could support those needs if asked.....and sometimes, if I felt support was needed, but not actually being sought from me, or anyone else.....
Most of the time I'm self-contained and my needs are relatively modest so I'm less likely to spend time considering what someone could do for me.
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We're gonna be rich!!!!!
I'd love to help...but I have a growing fear that someone has hacked into this forum, and is posting comments using my member name.
I have absolutely no recollection of creating post # 1719....