The Repubs got their asses handed to them last night. I couldn't be more pleased. God bless President Obama.
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The Repubs got their asses handed to them last night. I couldn't be more pleased. God bless President Obama.
To all my American friends on this site. What an election thrilla!Attachment 5600
Some icing on the cake: Allen West is out in Florida. And also Todd Akin in Missouri. Listening to his concession speech it shows he is unfamiliar with separation of church and state. He is also unfamiliar with several other things.
And good riddance to those two, Steve.
And it was a landslide, in the Electoral College:) Either way Ralph, you put it on the line that Obama would win. And as much as I wanted Obama to win I never felt 100% that it would happen, and I was losing faith when those first returns came in. You had it right all along. Next time your in town I owe you a drink [[or whatever your poison is:)). You called it!:cool:
Yahhhhhhhhhhhh.
And Ralph was pretty much right........at least in the Electoral College!
Yeah, I was talking about the Electoral College. What tipped me off that Mitt's goose was going to get fried was simply by watching the audiences of each candidate. Mitt's would cheer for him but there was an aura of uncertainty about it. The President's crowd were raucous. Much more involved with their candidate. So it was a lock. Besides, America decided they didn't want to be governed by what was parading before our eyes this past year. This was the right call, no matter what your party.
Here in France we're very happy for you [[good) American voters !
But there are other changes happening in different states, just found that one about Colorado and Washington wanting marijuana legalization. Sounds pretty interesting : http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/346...uana-legalized
Phil,
Yes those states have completely legalized weed. Pot is still considered a Federal crime though so it will be interesting to see how this will play.
Well, Ralph,
You did get your landslide, and Obama managed to get the popular vote, with two fewer states than last time, and with fewer of the White vote.
What would be funny if it weren't so pitiful is that republicans get all of their information form Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Glenn Beck, and the other far-right nuts, and they all told the flock to ignore the experts and pundits, and know that Romney would win with a landslide. That's why they are so devastated today.
Where your landslide did happen is in the congressional seats. No, the Democrats didn't get the House, or a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, but most of the tea-baggers got the boot.
Right now, the republicans are wondering what happened. We have been trying to tell them, but they keep putting their fingers in their ears and burying their heads in the sand.
I'm so happy that obama got another 4years.i might be over here but the president of the USA is as important to us in the UK as it is to you.The strength of america affects the whole of the free world.Mitt romney was/is a patronising politician in the Trump mould.[[how frightning would he be?)I think america did itself a favour returning a decent man to get his work finished,if the congress give him a chance.It was great to see the demographic of how you voted black 95+%,hispanic 65%,asian,women,men,age groups. etc.
I would love it if Obama banned assault rifles in the USA as well..........for a start!
I have really enjoyed posting this on conservative facebook pages today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGJgyuAu6eo
This article is an excellent sumnation of the election results, IMO.
http://davidsimon.com/inevitabilities-and-barack-obama/
Have you guys been watching Rachel Maddow tonight? Dhe just ran down a very, very long list of the ways the liberal democrats won, and the ways the republicans lost, and how the talking heads on Fox filled their heads with lies and deceit.
The show will be re-run later tonight, too!
Ralph was on point and I was on pins and needles. One election year, formerly moderate Republicans [[like McCain and Romney) are going to figure out that they stand a muuuuch better chance to win these things by staying centrist instead of going so far to the right. I'm shocked that these two tools built their whole careers on being centrist, but when it came to being a presidential candidate, they pissed away any chance that centrist voters [[I believe most of the USA falls into this category) would vote for them by embracing not only fiscally conservative principles, but also far-right socially conservative principles. God bless 'em, the losers.
He should, but, that really would be a bad move right now. The gun nuts are counting on it. They are already disgusting.
I live in gun country. I live among the tea-baggers/far-right nuts. I know how crazy they are.
I don't know where in Canada you live, or how far in the U.S. you have ever been, but watching Fox is an example of what you see all over this country.
Except, when I watched a bit of Fox early this morning, their excuse for Romney losing? he wasn't conservative enough! Bill O'Reilly said they lost because Romney didn't make Marco Rubio his running mate. O'Reilly says that these people want things "given to them". In other words, the conservatives just don't get the message! They don't understand that it's not just the faces of their party. it's their policies and messages too. It's their actions of voter suppression, bullying, sexism, racists, attempting to run around and dismantle the Constitution, and many other things. Watch Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC later on. You'll see what I mean.
Why? They would curse us. They get no luv from me!Quote:
God bless 'em, the losers.
Soulster, they truly believe themselves to be the smartest people in the room. However, the first thing a smart leader would notice is that nobody is following his lead and the second thing is to figure out why. And when I said "God bless 'em", I was truly facetious. What I saw before the election [[and for the last four years from Tea Baggers and Republican leaders) is some of the most hateful, racist, demeaning, untruthful public acts that I've seen in my 50s years. Although I am encouraged by President Obama's re-election, I'm discouraged that they brought back the worst of 1950s-era USA. Except for the constraints of law, I shudder to think what I would be capable of doing in response.
you and me both, Jerry, you and me both....
Someone told me that the complaint among the conservative pundits is that Romney was not far enough to the right on the issues. He only made gains in the polls after he mysteriously became centrist during the debates, in spite of the last two years of painting himself as ultra-conservative.
Barack Obama won Florida this afternoon as well.
But, "it's not a mandate", jobeterob. Question: If this is not a mandate, then WTF is a mandate?
And Boehner sadly accepted ACA as the "law of the land".
Ted Nugent isn't happy about Obama's second term.Patrick Pentland Nov 7, 2012 0 Comments Share on facebookShare on twitterShare on stumbleuponShare on emailShare on printMore Sharing Services10
Ah, Ted Nugent. Is there anything you won't say? The ultra-conservative windbag rocker took to Twitter last night to let everyone know how he felt about President Barack Obama's second term victory.
Here are a few nuggets from the Nuge:
"Pimps wh*res & welfare brats & their soulless supporters hav a president to destroy America."
"So Obama still demands the hardest workers provide for the nonwotkers. Shared opportunities my a**."
"What subhuman varmint believes others must pay for their obesity booze cellphones birthcontrol abortions & lives."
"Goodluk America u just voted for economic & spiritual suicide. Soulless fools."
Earlier this year Nugent was questioned by the Secret Service over statements he made at a National Rifle Association rally: "If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year." It was widely thought that the "Wango Tango" singer was insinuating that he would attempt to assassinate the President.
Stay classy Teddy. Oh, and say "hi" to Trump when you see him.
Teddy and the Donald: Two nuts in the same limp sack.
What is everyone's experience so far with the republicans? Most of the ones I know are extremely angry. They all watch Fox news and bought into the Fox lies. They seriously believed he would lose.
I tell them that when they are ready, I will tell them why they lost. In some cases, I will have to tell them that they, themselves are the reason.
Yeah, and many in the public saw through that. People don't want a phony in office with few or no core principles. And, the ones they saw didn't look pretty.
By all rights, the republicans should have won back the presidency. Unemployment is still high, wages are still low. We have a massive debt. While we are doing great on avoiding terrorism on our soil, we have a lot of turmoil in hot spots overseas. And, we have deep partisan division in congress. So, what happened? The far-right radicals did all they could to stop Obama's work, and their supporters offended just about everyone except White men and christian religious nuts. And the absolute worst is trying to suppress the vote of anyone who might vote against their candidates.
Soulster, do you ever wonder why they believe that their message is so weak that they have to resort to outright lies and distortions to try to win? For example, the $716 billion Medicare lie. Ryan had the same money taken out in his proposed budget and it only applied to unnecessary spending, but they tried to spin it as the president taking money out of Medicare and leaving seniors in a lurch. Another one was the welfare work requirement change. The president changed it because many governors, most of them Republican [[one former governor, name of Romney) asked to give them the leeway to run their welfare programs without it. He consented [[Bush and Clinton didn't) and they used it against him.
Your point about core values is 100% correct. Had they stuck with their message instead of trying to distort the president's accomplishments, they probably could have won. That wasn't good enough and our "sorry" president beat them. Who's sorry now?
Well, this answers your first question. They did stick to their messages, and that's why they couldn't win. They had no choice but to lie about everything. They knew their base was full of unsavory people, and their surrogates were bigots, racists, sexists, and ignorant religious nutjobs. They needed them so they tolerated them. The problem with their plan id that enough people saw through their bullshit. The republicans overplayed their hand. It also makes me wonder just how many of those registered republicans, actually scared of a Romney/Ryan presidency, quietly voted for Obama.
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As The Orioles once sang: "Thank The Lord! Thank The Lord!"
I don't have a tremendous amount of faith in The Democrats. But they've got to be 10,000 times better than The Republicans.
They have this one last chance to do right by the people. The people gave Obama and the democrats one more chance. If they play this right, they can solidify their place, and in the hearts and minds of the electorate as we watch the GOP crash and burn, as they are hell-bent on doing it their way or the highway.
The only solution to the mess that we find ourselves in is a viable third party that is not further out to the left of the Democrats or right of the Republicans. This party can't effect change unless it has at least 20% of both houses of Congress. The Democrats have very little to hang their hats on besides the fact that they aren't as bad as the GOP. In fact, the Republicans probably could have won if they had not gone out of their way to steal the election.
I think a lot of folks were persuaded that if someone was willing to take your right to vote, then it must be important enough to do. I read an article that reported that one of the first signs that the jig was up for Romney was when they had reports that the lines on election day were extremely long in certain areas [[which I took to mean the areas where they took extra steps to discourage voting).
If you tell most Americans not to do something, it's bad enough. But to take away our right to do it will only stir the rebellious nature that defines us. They stirred up a hornet's nest unnecessarily and guaranteed their defeat.
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There is need for more than a third party. There needs to be a system in which the people are represented. There has to be a way for people's grass roots parties to develop, and also get the chance for the same amount of media advertising as the two existing parties, and also there needs to be a way the the people can elect representatives that won't become beholden to big money [[e.g. that helps elect them, and that gives them money and favours, while and after they are in office). I don't know if that ever can happen. EVERY governmental system has the problem of graft and monied interests running the office-holders like puppets [[to some extent). But, in Europe and the British Commonwealth countries, it is held in check, to some extent, by several parties and coalitions. In USA the many disparate interests are channeled into only two parties. So, it's difficult to get what they want. It is almost always watered down until it is of little value.
I agree with you 100%. However, representative government died in Washington, DC about 100 million Americans ago. It's impossible for Mr. Smith to go to the capital and enact his agenda without getting 300+ other congressmen to sign on. Consequently, he'll sell out 19 of the 20 promises he stumped on in order to get 19 other congressmen to pull for his one big one. He'll do the same for them. You have to build a coalition to do anything and that's the problem.
It used to be that you had moderates in both parties that could work with each other, but now moderates are run out of Congress on a rail if they work with someone from the other side. You already have Boehner and McConnell digging in on taxes and the election isn't even a week past. No Republican is going to cross that line, even with the fiscal cliff looming in seven weeks. It's crazy; I can't be fiscally conservative but socially progressive and vote in the interests of my constituents? I have to be both and vote in the interests of my party? Crazy.
If we were to have representative government, we'd have to divide the country into 3-4 "super states". Each would comprise 75-100 million citizens and would be geographically related to each other. If one of them wanted to pass progressive laws, it could do so without the rest of the country going ape-shit. And if someone didn't appreciate living in a super state where abortion was illegal, he/she could move to one where it was not. The same for taxes. The same for education and highways. The Senate and president could then focus on the interests of the entire country and let the piddly stuff be handled down below.
We have outgrown any possibility of representative government and only a constitutional change in how the very nation is comprised will bring the voice back to the people.
Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but they are too closely aligned with the republicans, and their platform concerning the "free market" and eliminating the minimum wage and unions just won't sell. We have seen the proof of that last week.
Like I said before, now is the opportunity for the Democrats to make their mark. Trouble is, they are in the same kind of bind the republicans are in. The independents want them to work with the republicans, who, BTW, still refuse, even after their shellacking last Tuesday, and the party's supporters who want Obama to stand up to them. Personally, I want Obama to stand up to the republicans because we have already seen what that the GOP still isn't interested in anything but having their own way. The voters lost faith in Obama over the last four years precisely because he kept trying to negotiate with them. All they did was slap him around. Every single Obama supporter I know wants Obama to FIGHT, not "get along". Clearly, Obama stands for the people.
I liked Harry Ried's comment regarding Boenner's stating that the Repubs would like to work with the Democrats. Saying the Dems are willing to work with them but they shouldn't think that they are going to come in and push us around.