Oh oh oh oh oh. Po old marv getting one heckova shellacking tonight.
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Hey Jobeterob, since you can never bear believing anything I have to say, maybe you will believe your idol, Miss Ross here! LOL! check her out beginning at around the 1:16 mark in this video clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDKYRR3mBlY
It was a pounding. He's wanted it for a long time.
In that interview Diana did, she didn't go into specifics. She explained the journey in more detail in her book. You alluded to the specifics she left out in your earlier post. Diana had already been singing as a Primette. In her words, she says that her "only obstacle was Daddy". In her book she says that "two guys from the Primes" came over to speak to her parents. Her mother gave in. Her father didn't give in so easily. I'm sure at that point, she had her "girlfriends" Mary and Flo come and ask if she could be in the group. The thing is she was already in the group. She was just trying to get the OK from her parents. You don't really think that she asked her parents if she could meet up at this mans apartment did you? She was determined to be a singer and had already charted out her course. She did that first. She just needed her parents approval to officially join. I have no doubt that Mary and Flo had to come over and ask her parents. That is how teens do things.
She was in the group because Mary Wilson invited her to join the group! In Diane's book, did she also mention that her daddy tried to get them to replace her with her sister Barbara? Yeah, old man Fred knew his daughters extremely well. He made the comment that "Diane does not have a group mentality........you should take my daughter Barbara instead". I can imagine [[because I don't know, and I have no way of knowing....) that at that moment, Diana Ross must have hated her father's guts! LOL! Knowing how competitive she was and all.................
Wow you have either no shame or you lost your mind marv2. you post the above clip of Diane Ross in the actors studio and right in the comments section theres this disgusting comment by you DetroitLives313 on january 1st of this year.
DetroitLives313 9 months ago
Ain't that a bitch? You big flaming Dianah Ross fan and you are calling me a fag? Go suck a New Year's dick somewhere you disease faggot! Sitting up here watching this drunk has been bitch....go get laid sissy punk!
· in reply to Charles Hater [[Show the comment)
Granted the other comments are equally reprehensable but hey you lay down with dogs and you end up with fleas.
Have you no self respect sir?
Miss Ross was secretly asked first. She sent Milton Jenkins over to Flo's house to help her self esteem while she stated home hunting rats with a bow and arrow. No, none of The Supremes' names were known to the general public at all. Miss Ross was slightly known but it didn't sink in until after the name change. Never were the names Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard or Cindy Birdsong household names. Remember that SFX got the highest name recognition out of Cindy and even that wasn't much. It would have helped if Flo could have billed herself as a former Supreme - but that didn't stop venues and labels of getting the word out on the sly like Mary used to do as Mary Wilson & The Supremes or The Flos' CDs going out with Ross' pic etc. No one knew Flo's name outside of the many many Supremes fans. When I saw her picture sleeve for Love Aint Love by Florence "Flo" Ballard at what is now Macy's, I thought maybe she'd hit until I heard the record. What did Flo in was her chauffeur for a manager, ABC having zero creative direction for her and Flo providing horrendous vocals. Anyone hearing her CD knows that by 1969 - her style of voice was never, ever gonna hit. I laugh at people who try to make her a victim of Motown when she did herself in. All Motown did was discover her ass, groom her, train her and make her a star. How she became a victim is beyond me - but I adored her. She was never gonna be a solo star and that's why no one signed her - billing had nothing to do with it.
Of course in that interview she says nothing about who first approached her and those comments by Marv - as rotten as they are, are not the worst I've seen from him - not by a long shot. Of course, often the most vocal anti - gay haters are really just trying to cover things up - maybe Marv has a wide stance as well. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL hehehehehehehehe. I have a friend who sends these quotes to Mary - I'll fwd this to him.......
Oh Ive been sent many of marv2 or DetroitLives313 homophobic comments for the past few months by a member here but this clip that marv actually post here was the first time i had seen his hate in the comment section of a video clip and those other people are disgusting as well. Such hate and filth and bigotry. I never seen anything like it. Real real sad that there are so many bigots in this world and real sad that marv2 is that anti gay. I thought the world had evolve but im shm just smh at it all.
Please dont send marvs comments to Mary Wilson Supremester. Miss wilson dont need to read all that hate could make her real upset. Miss Wilson love her gay fans and has many good homosexual gentlemen friends. Please dint send them to Miss Wilson.
What do you mean 'has a wide stance as well' Supremester? Im real confused?
Fondly,
Roberta
Hi Roberta, yes, there are still some haters out there - but most of those are dying off and mostly only those with mild to severe mental disorders continue their narrow, focused hatred. Often these people have anger issues from being picked on as a child, a lifetime of being overlooked for praise or promotion resulting in jealousy, anger and rage against those they want to feel superior to in order to prove to themselves they have value. It's sad. Especially annoying are those who belong to an oppressed minority themselves and treat others exactly as they loathe to be treated. to me, that is the lowest form of humanity there is. Marv should move to Idaho where bigotry is often applauded but, because of his minority status, they'd run his ass out on a rail pronto. The wide stance reference is to severely anti-gay Republican Senator Larry Craig who was arrested for soliciting sex in a public men's room at MSP. I checked out the restroom - it was clearly designed for exactly this purpose. Anyway, I was just saying perhaps there is a reason for Marv's strong "comments." See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=Wide%20Stance. Most TTG's use whatever form necessary to advance their cause [[usually their self-image.) They may lack stature in social situations and seek artificial means of aggrandizement. They are the type who might cheat at cards or monopoly because they can't hide behind a keyboard to gain acceptance or be looked up to. It's all too bad, because I love Marv. As one of God's creatures, he has value and worth. He adds a lot to this and other forums, but can't stick to the truth if it's a POV that isn't rooted in fact that he's trying to sell. See: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...one%20toughguy As far as Mary goes, it seems she has requested to be kept informed of these things - maybe she will try to talk to him again. The last time, he bragged in MWOS that it's anti American to stifle freedom of speech and he has the right to trash talk anyone he chooses. Yes, he replied with The Bill Of Rights. Now THAT'S an American! hehehehehe!
So if Flo were as well known as you say she was in 67 and 68, then not being able to use the Supremes name to promote herself should have been at most a minor annoyance. As for the SFX poll, they asked the wrong question. Instead of asking for name identification, they should have asked, would you attend a Supremes reunion concert in which Diana Ross performed with the ladies she sang with in the 60s or with women who were in the group after Ross went solo. SFX was guilty of shoddy market research.
I assume Karen Ragland's counterclaim against Mary Wilson for interference with her business activities never proceeded because there are no reports of it.
It was a bit more than a minor annoyance. Look at it this way. Up to that point, being the founding member of the most successful American musical act was Florence's greatest accomplishment. Not being able to promote that fact was like starting over for her in some instances. She had all her number one records with the group and unless she was going to go out and have songs written and produced for her by the same people that made her a star...........she was starting over from scratch with just her name and not the use of the name of the entity that brought her to stardom! Does that make a little more sense?
SFX and the "survey" they did was a joke from the word go! They claimed that no one knew who Mary Wilson was, but then right after they announce that RTL Tour would proceed without her........every major news outlet in the country went after Mary for her comments about the situation. She was on TV and radio non - stop during that period. The could never happen if no one knew who she was!
Your disgusting comments as DetroitLives313 on this YouTube clip that you posted last night are not a minor annoyance but a major offensive annoyance to lesbian ladies and homosexual gentlemen everywhere. Why do you write such hurtful things marv2 and why did you share the clip that have the bigoted comments? You need to stop the attacks in this forum and on youtube marv2 it isnt right and its real offensive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDKYRR3mBlY
Roberta
Smark has hit on another truth you don't like; Flo, Mary, Cindy ~ they all had limited name recognition, no voice recognition. Sad but true.
Things seem different these days; Kelly Rowland has maintained some consistent success coming out of a hit group.
if they where ever supremes then they can surely use the name..... another example of the talentless mary Wilson trying to screw someone over.. coz she cant sing and make money
Oh Jesus.............I'm running for the hills!
Wow... all this time I thought Milton had simply asked Flo to recruit some girls, according to Mary, if this is correct, Diana and Betty were the "two other girls". But yeah, Florence never founded the group, Milton Jenkins started to put the pieces together in the group that eventually became the Supremes. It's quite foolish to state something when Mary stated something else in her book.
LOL!!!! I had a hard time believing that SFX came back with more people knowing Cindy Birdsong over Mary Wilson. Maybe Cindys name is more memorable [[her last name that is) and if they didnt know who Mary was how did she gain so much power if you will in getting people not to come to the tour even if she was on TV? I always thought from what I read and saw on the news the public knew Wilson and Birdsong.
Marv I was living in Detroit at the time and there was much support for Mary. People were posting newspaper articles on the outside walls of their cubicles! A debacle caused by piss poor planning. A co-worker who is related to one member of the Motown hit making machine got wind of this early on and basically said he'd be surprised if this "thing would get off the ground and get to the first show because it is likely it won't last! I can email additional details. Let me know.
I know what you mean. In NYC the week following that big Grand Central Station press conference, it was like "Supremesmania featuring Mary Wilson" all over New York City Metro area. There were live radio call in shows just so that the public could express their displeasure about Mary and Cindy not being on that "reunion " tour. Mary was on the news every night it seemed.
Because Mary lied about everything. She went to the press claiming that Scherrie & Lynda were fake Supremes - a far cry from the begging she did for fans to accept them in the 70's. Then she made up the lies about how much Diana was being paid and succeeded in convincing many that the seed money to produce the show was her pay, making it appear as if Ross was making over 10x what Mary & Cindy were. Anyone with a 3rd grade diploma could figure out that if Ross had been paid the 500k per show, plus Mary & Cindys 250k per show would make their salaries 750k in venues that, if sold out, could only gross 1,1-1.4 million and that was before all expenses to produce the show, operate it and then look for a profit. The press ran with the story and Mary, finally getting press again, wallowed in her fake self-pity after the train left the station. If Mary hadn't resorted to slander and ugly lies, RTL would have done well everywhere. Fast fwd to 2013: Miss Ross is happy as a clam working when she pleases. Mary - so popular that the public refused to see a show without her, failed to launch Sophisticated Ladies - twice, Lena Horne, Up Close, 18 attendees at her final Feinsteins gig, 41 at The Riviera in Vegas, and the permanent Vegas gigs she tried so hard to get are toast. Now her house is up for sale and she's needing work bad. The Chicago gig is a bust so far with almost zero tix sold, balconies shut for all performances, lowest ticket price moved to the main floor and second row seats available for every show. Look for discount seating VERY soon and a possible reduction in performances. THAT is Mary's true power. Without lies and treachery: none at all. If she had declined to tour with class and dignity and truthfulness, and the public stayed away, THAT would be power. LOL
Roll the mouse over the back or balcony seats and you will see that none are available.
http://tickets.harristheaterchicago....nceNumber=5804
Usually, that means that that section is closed to buying tickets. Of course if it were a 100% sold out show like KINKY BOOTS, then there would be a different conclusion.
Now roll over the orchrestra section and you will see loads of seats available in that section.
I think it is too soon to call this a failure. But I , too, can see the beginnings of tricks to fill the front seats. Close the back of theatre, offer discount codes [[which I think are already available); cut the number of performances; and , as a last resort, commision Berry Gordy to rip twenty dollar bills in half and give them to paasers by with the promise of giving the other half after they see Mary ;)
Tickets just went on sale. People are thinking about Halloween. As we get closer to the Thanksgiving and Christmas, I'm sure ticket sales will increase. More so than it being Mary Wilson that people want to see, people in general like a good "Holiday" show- regardless of who is on the bill. This engagement will do fine.
I hope so skooldem as I want this to be a real big hit for Mary Wilson and Duke Fakir. The only think i personally think could put folks of is the ticket prices. $132 dollar top ticket prices seem real high imo for one original Supreme and one original four top. That said I hope the shows do real well for Miss Wilson and Mr Fakir.
Roberta
Those tickets prices are too high.
I'm sure there will be "Holiday Discounts". Buy one get one free, free giveaways on the radio, and price slashes.
I'll just add... And tbh I don't really care who on here chooses to believe me - I was with Mary in her dressing room whilst she was on the uk DITS tour with Martha and Edwin. She received a call and asked me to step outside. I did and was chatting to Martha. After a while Mary came out blissfully happy and told Martha and me that she had just been told terms had been reached and she was on the RTL tour. She was very happy and clearly it was a genuine offer/call.
[[spare me the bitching, sly digs, Mary bashing )
Supremester.. Why do you have to be so nasty btw? Mary makes a decent living , still receives her royalties. Gets plenty of overseas tours, Australia and Russia in the last 12 months as well as a long European tour with Bill Whyman. Sure Mary doesn't play the same size venues as Miss Diane but people still pay to see her and still want to see her irregardless of your opinion.
This is interesting news. From all I read and heard on TV [[from Diana, Mary and others), I thought that none of the offers made to Mary was acceptable. But here was an offer that made Mary "blissfully happy". What happened to the offer? Did she have second thoughts and reject it? Did she wait too long to accept and then was told "that train left the station"
Something must have happened to the offer, because we all know that she was not part of the tour
I genuinely don't know what happened. But there have been reports that Mary was offered 4 million and accepted and then the offer was withdrawn
i don't know any details of the offer I only know what I witnessed that night and how happy she was and also how thrilled Martha was for her too .
Sadly as we know it never happened
I believe all of that. Too bad it didn't happen.
If everyone phrased things in the manner mrmw does here, then people wouldn't feel nasty comments were being directed at Miss Wilson or Miss Ross.
There is a ringleader here who causes that negativity all the time; and it is very unnecessary.
I like how mrmw set out factually the tours and gigs Mary Wilson has played and matter of factly says, ya, they aren't as big as Diana's but Mary eats well and has a home etc. If only Marv could accept those facts.
Interesting, mwmr. The way it was put out, you think she had decided not to accept the $4 million deal. Did she accept it too late? That's quite unfortunate though. It could've worked out if they probably had a different touring company. SFX was kinda shady.
Perhaps more tix for the holiday shows will sell as we get closer to the run. I do find it odd that it’s going to have a two week run in Chicago. IN NYC, Darlene Love and Ronnie Spector have been doing holiday shows for years now and they tend to do just a couple of gigs in the area, not a two week run. Perhaps Mary and Duke should have considered doing a holiday show or two in Chicago and another one or two in Detroit? Perhaps a show in Milwaukee as well?
However I’ll never get fans [[or anti-fans) closely monitoring ticket sales, ticket prices and section openings and closings for a show, especially if they don’t like the act. Gregg, I suggest you get ahold of the new Arcade Fire album Reflektor and stop worrying about Mary Wilson. Excellent album that combines the classic Arcade Fire anthem sound with LCD Soundsystem, Haitian rhythms, New Order, Young Americans era Bowie and a dash of Kraftwerk.