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  Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 119 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
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Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 258 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.210.43.109 |
DIANA(class, beauty, charm,charisma)Diana sounds like a natural singer and BS sounds TRAINED. I like Diana as a person also(she's more down to earth then what a lot of people would have you beleive).I do not care for the type of music BS does. I think shes a better actress then singer IMHO. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 122 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Uh-oh, the first shot has been fired!!!! | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 216 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Diane, of course! It's all about sound in rock & roll and rhythm & blues. She's got it!!! R&R and R&B of the late 50s/early 60s was NOT about vocal training. As a performer, it's hard for ANYONE to top Diane. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 171 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Aren't we comparing apples and oranges here? Of course, Diana is a wonderful singer, there is no question, and she got better as her career went on. But then, Babs is a terrific singer, too, and carries a torch song--especially in her earlier works--like it's nobody's business. I'm inclined to believe Barbara sings with more emotion, but again, the material she sang required more. Could Babs sing Motown? Only if given the same critical latitude Michael McDonald got. Could Diana do "Funny Girl"? Maybe, but they're both so good at what they did within their own careers I can't choose. | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 5-Doyen Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 235 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.157.159.116 |
Douglas , "could Babs sing Motown ?" - she recorded the Tops' "Shake Me, Wake Me" for a 1975 album "Lazy Afternoon" and there may be others I don't know about. Something they had in common is that both recorded Laura Nyro's "Time And Love" - I haven't heard either but they'd have a hard time bettering the original - I know who I think would be closer to the original. I'll leave you to guess who. Davie - on the lookout for Barbra's "Stoney End" album. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 6-Zenith Username: destruction Post Number: 427 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.24 |
Don't rain on my paraaaaaaaaaaadddddeeee!!!! | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 716 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.254.198 |
Hard to choose also...!  | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2469 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
I hate to be the one who throws out this grenade, but I have to speak some truth here. We can pose this question & try to believe that talent is the overwhelming factor here. Unfortunately, though I wish that it wasn't so, there's more involved here. Let me try to explain. I'm willing to bet that if you checked their bank accounts, that Barbara comes out on top. Barbra is not just a singer & an actress, but she has mass appeal to the theatre set. Honestly, when you think of The Great White Way of Broadway, you think of well-to-do people. Monied people didn't do the Chitlin' Circuit, they did the Copa. To be honest, Barbra would win this battle for the same reasons that Elizabeth Taylor & an actress of limited talent like Marilyn Monroe, who even dead, is far more popular than ANY Black actress ever was. For the same reason that Elvis was regarded "The King Of Rock & Roll", when his recorded output shows that he was anything but. Barbra wins this for the same reason that Mickey Mantle was & is still regarded as a better hitter & player than Hank Aaron & Willie Mays were. Even though the record books show otherwise. And no one can use the Barry Bonds argument, as all three men played in the same exact era. Two of the men mentioned surpassed the other, yet, the one surpassed is STILL regarded to be their superior & is infinitely more popular to boot. For those who would disagree with my assessment, I'll direct you to the Beckett Price Guide. One look at the values of their card prices will speak volumes. For all of their greatness, Willie nor Hank will NEVER be regarded as highly, nor be as beloved as Mickey was & still is. I've yet to see "The Hank Aaron Story" starring Cuba Gooding Jr. on HBO. Fox Sports Net either. I hate to be the one to say it, but that factor can never be overlooked. When the average mainstream American thinks of Diana, they'll be like, "Ooh, she has some beautiful gowns, she's so glamourous & she sings so nice, I love all of her songs". Barbra is a whole different matter! Barbra is a shot caller & a BIG baller in ways that Diana can only aspire to. Diana is loved by America, there's no doubt about that. However, Barbara commands RESPECT & has infinitely more power as regards her career & within the industry that Diana simply doesn't have. Barbra has POWER, Diana doesn't. Maybe it could be that many see Diana as a creation of Berry Gordy & Motown & see Barbra as a self-made woman. Either way, one has power & the other doesn't. They both have reputations for being, well, to put it charitably, rough. However, one still commands the type of respect in the industry that the other doesn't. That's the reality of it. The fact is that when mainstream America sees Barbra, they see someone who looks just like them. That's a very important fact to consider & it really can't be denied. Not even in todays fake ass P.C. climate. The truth is the truth. That's my decidedly non-P.C. take on this. Barbara wins. When's the last time someone paid over $1000 to see Diana sing in concert?? Bonus Question: When was the first time??? (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 24, 2004) | ||
Vickie (vickie) 4-Laureate Username: vickie Post Number: 108 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
Can I say something here?? ok that's all I need to say.. everyone knows how I feel about The Supremes.. tee, hee, hee | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 123 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Interesting, interesting. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 172 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Juice.... ....I'm going to have to disagree with you in the context of this discussion. I don't think Cool Ju was asking about persecption, but opinion, and just because one has a bigger nose than another is not to say one is more talented or better. I couldn't decide because comparing the two is kinda like comparing Andy Stein and George Bridgetower just because each played the fiddle. Both Barbara and Diana sing, but through out their career, they tended to do so in different genres, thus making the comparison hard. I don't know if I'm right here, but I get the feeling that Barry Gordy influenced Diana's career in the same way Col. Parker did Elvis, and that may have hurt her in the long run, but doesn't deminish her talent. Still, as to which one's "top dame"? They both are. I can't choose. As to Willie, Mickey, and Hank, Mantle tended to be faster and a better fielder than the others, but of the three, Roberto Clemente was the most complete ballplayer. doug | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 126 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
To tell you the truth Juice's argument, most notibly the 5th paragraph, is the type of explaination I sought. | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 175 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Well, OK, if that was what you were looking for. I guess I just don't look at things that way anymore. I stand by my last answer, though. Clemente's problem was he played in Pittsburgh, Aaron's was Milwaukee, then Atlanta. Neither media powerhouses at the time. doug | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2486 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Doug, I understand what you're saying & I respect the fact that you're that fair & open-minded. I have just one correction, before I try to explain why I feel the way that I do. I never mentioned Clemente, but since his name has come up, I'll relate some of the things that was said about him in the American media. He was called a malingerer & was unsually identified by the media as, a & I quote: "The tempermental Latin" or "The moody Latin outfielder". When he said that his back was hurting him, he was scoffed at & made fun of. Because he didn't speak the Kings' english, he was misunderstood & was exoriated in the press by his OWN team! He was drafted by the Brooklyn Dodgers & they got rid of him. Again, he was just another "moody lazy latino". In fact, he failed to receive his just due, until the 1971 World Series & then, after Dec 31, 1972, the date in which he perished while trying to bring supplies to the earthquake victims of Managua, Nicaragua. I spoke of Willie Mays who from 1951 to 1957, played in the decidedly major market called New York. When the Giants moved to the coast, he also played in a major market known as San Francisco, California. Not exactly Milwaukee, Wisconsin. While Mickey Mantle was equally fast & more powerful than Mays, Mays had the better career & was a hell of a lot more fan friendly. Mantle had the monopolistic Yankee organization, who consistently surrounded him with the best players available. Mays had nowhere near that type of support. Even worse, when the Giants moved to San Francisco, Mays was nowhere near as popular as he was when he was in New York. The fans weren't as warm & the media not as forgiving. That team never were as well received as the Dodgers were. Guess why that was? The Giants had a large amount of Blacks & Latinos on their team. No less an authority than their OWN manager spoke disparagingly of those same Latino & Black players. They damn near had a mutiny on that team & it was all due to color. Then, you have to take into account that up to that point, the most famous Baseball players in S.F. were from the days of the San Francisco seals, back in the 20s & 30s....BEFORE the color line was broken. As such, the most popular players at that point were still Lefty O'Doul & Joe DiMaggio, more than 20 years AFTER they last played for the Seals!!! How do we explain these facts??? The fact of the matter is that the average Causasian male fan of just about any era, does not imagine himself as a Black man, hitting home runs, scoring touchdowns, or slam dunking a ball. However, he can certainly fantasize that he's Mickey Mantle in all his glory. You see, when he sees Mickey, he sees himself & that's a normal response. It's basic human nature. Nerds hung out with nerds, jocks hung out with jocks. The point being that it's basic human nature to gravitate to that which is familiar & that you share common ground with. Actually, when you think about it, such reactions have always been quite the norm & is basic human nature. Just as we Blacks were proud when Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Jackie Robinson, Willie Mays & Hank Aaron came along. Just as Latinos were when Roberto Duran, Wilfred Gomez & Juan Marichal came along. Just as the Argentenians loved Alexis Arguello & just as Italians felt pride over the exploits of Rocky Marciano & Joe DiMaggio. It's human nature, as everyone likes to see someone who's just like them excel. There's no shame in that. The shame comes when people who have the power, dictates to society who & what is better, or, what the accepted terms for things like beauty is. Think about it, how many pipe cleaners in bikinis, while masquerading as models, are deemed to have the desired body type? How many girls & women have ended up purging & becoming anorexic, due to trying to live up to an unrealistic image, foisted upon them by who??? That's really the problem, the folks who run things dictate the accepted mores & who gets to get & keep the brass ring. Unfortunately, the world is populated with infinitely more followers, than leaders or free thinkers. Just look at the polls for this coming election to see this process in action. So, it should be no surprise to anyone one if what I stated in my last post has the ring of truth to it. I've observed this phenomenom for most of my 44 years & I've seen it repeated over & over again. Even a man as talented an actor & singer like Paul Robeson, received no love or respect from the masses here in America. I could trot out example after example. Why is it that so many people have a problem admitting these simple truths??? Even as recently as this seasons' American Idol show, when no less than 3 SUPERIOR performers were voted off of the show, while a Harry Connick Jr., Frank Sinatra, Perry Como wannabe remained. Now if the young man was good, I could have understood & accepted it, I believe in giving the devil his due. I'm not caught up in the Black/White thing, as regards music. I simply like music that sounds good to my ear. From The Four Seasons, to The Beatles, to AWB. However, that certainly was not the case & the voting made the whole damn show a mockery to me. Now, to really break this down to its finite point.... Barbra Streisand is a very talented woman, with very beautiful eyes. She can sing, she has a hell of a voice, sings with a great deal of emotion & expression. She proved her mettle on Broadway & on the Silver Screen. She's produced her own movie & she's a ballsy woman. She takes no bull & is extremely assertive where her career is concerned. With that said, it certainly didn't hurt her career that she just happened to be a nice Jewish girl from Brooklyn, who happened to have success on Broadway. Yes, she is extremely talented, but please answer this... Would Dorothy Dandridge, Lena Horne, Josephine Baker, Ruby Dee, or even Diana Ross received the same career push, or gained the same type of MASS acceptance? On a lesser degree, yes. Overall, the fields are littered with the carcasses of people of various colors, who though equally talented, simply were hindered by their ethnicities. 99% of the time, there has always been a glass ceiling, that's a fact that simply can't be denied & anyone who tries to claim that it's otherwise, is simply delusional, or a liar. Doug, I wish that everyone thought like you do. Believe me, the world would be a betterplace if that were the case. Unfortunately, that not the America that I know & love. The America that I know has ALWAYS been split into factions & in many cases. devisiveness has been encouraged. No one wants to be the low man in the pecking order. In order to have strength, most people need someone weaker under them, so that they can feel good about themselves. It's said that crap trickles downhill & NO one wants to be at the bottom of the trough, that's for sure! Now, Diana received much critical acclaim for her acting roles. Regardless, when was her last starring role in Hollywood?? Even Barbra was allowed a Yentl, Diana never got another sniff. For all of her talent & accolades, why was she never afforded another starring role. One would think that her performance in Lady Sings The Blues, should have gotten her at least a few more opportunities, wouldn't you say? I'll wrap this up with this question: if Barbra was in reality a girl from Bed-Stuy named Tequisha Johnson & had the same exact talent, would she be as beloved, powerful & respected by the masses. Would she have received the same opportunities that Barbra did???? Think about it & answer not how we'd LIKE for things to be, but how things REALLY are. Doug, I salute you whole heartedly. I am so glad that you don't look at things that way. I wish that more people of all creeds felt as you do. Sadly though, that's simply not the reality for far too many people. Never was & most likely, never will be & we're all the worse for it! | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 177 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Juice.... ....I'm not that fair and open minded. I TRY to be that fair and open minded. Couple of things in response. I never thought about what people said about Clemente, either then, or now when I made the comment. He was a better all around ballplayer. That's what mattered to me. I don't know if I was raised "right", or I've spent too much time in retail, where my commission check is colorblind, but when Cool Ju asked the question, I looked at it as a compare/contrast of two very talented singers who plyed their trade in two different ways and I just couldn't make the comparison. Race didn't enter the equation for two reasons. 1) I didn't think it mattered, given the question. Unless it's stated as part of a question or comment, I won't make that assumption. I don't think it is worthy of me to interject it, because when discussing talent, it isn't germane. In a socitial context, yes, but you better state it outright for me to comment in that direction. Also, this here print is in yellow. You can't tell by the typeface who you're talking to, in the same way a 45 label didn't tell you the color of the singer or group. I don't try to be antagonistic, and it's very easy to offend someone if you're not careful. As an example, I didn't know your racial backround until you mentioned it burried in the 7th paragraph. And for the sake of argument, I'm white, 56 years old, grew up in suburban Detroit, and live in a racially diverse (white/hispanic) town in North Central Washington. And third, although there have been some very thoughtful discussions on SD about race, and its impact (the last "Blue Eyed Soul" thread was an excellent example), a few months ago there were a couple of flamethrower threads based around race that I made the mistake of responding to and got seriously burned. I don't like to hurt others and in turn, don't like to get hurt myself. Got a comparison for you that might be more valid. Barbara and Dionne Warwick. Both excellent singers of similar style, singing similar (though not identical) material. But Babs had a contract with Columbia, where Dionne signed with Septer. Race involved there? Again, I appreciate your thoughtful and well researched posts, and the above discussion is no exception. Good job, Juice in explaining your point. Doug Shirk | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 178 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Oh, and to interject a bit of humor about misunderstandings, it's North Central Washington state. Once when planing a trip back to Michigan, I wrote the Grand Hotel on Mackinaw Island to see if Dora and I could afford it (fat chance). The rate and info sheet came back addressed to Douglas M. Shirk PO Box **** Wenatchee, Washington DC 98801 It got delivered correctly. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2503 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Doug, I never am offended by anything that you write. The only reason that I get so long winded about these types of things is that it's usually done so subtlely. It's almost a subliminal type of thing & so inherent, that most people don't even accept the simple possibility that it occurs at all. Sometimes, I feel the need to state what should be a bit more obvious to most, or to give a subtle reminder of my own. Let's just say that I call things the way that I see them & that's not usually a popular stance to take. I appreciate yor points of view & regardless of anything, by all means, don't worry about how people take what you think. Hey, take it from me, sometimes your thoughts are the only thing that no one can take away from you. Please don't let a few firestorms discourage you from speaking your mind. I wish that more people took the time to talk WITH one another, as opposed to talking TO one another. That is dialog & sometimes through the fire, we come to understand one another a little better. If we're really lucky, we learn a few things along the way. Believe me, I sure have! In my opinion, this is good & healthy dialog | ||
marv (marv) 4-Laureate Username: marv Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
If we are comparing Diana Ross and Barbara Striestand, Diana wins hands down everytime in my book! Purely musically speaking, Diana Ross is a much more interesting vocalist and it has been proved in the diversity of recordings over the years. | ||
motesartsound (uncle_derrald) 2-Debutant Username: uncle_derrald Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.127.78.206 |
Forget about those two "control freaks." How about a grand Dame, simplified in two words: Dame Edna. A supersonic gin & tonic to you, DLM | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Motesartsound.... ....I'll see your Dame Edna and raise you an Anna Russell. There is the grand Dame of classical humor. Does anyone remember a radio show in the early/mid '60's called WDTM Saturday Night? doug | ||
Destruction (destruction) 6-Zenith Username: destruction Post Number: 432 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.139.236.125 |
I see you Doug,and raise a pair to the grand dame of gangsta/pimp rap....Rusty "Knockers Up" Warren. u feel em...i mean u feel me? | ||
janebse (janebse) 3-Pundit Username: janebse Post Number: 47 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.63.6.81 |
I agree with Douglas. It's comparing apples to oranges. Both are excellent performers. Both come to any performance prepared. AS to which voice one likes the best, it's all subjective. Both are divas. In fact, in many ways they are more alike than different. In one sense, I'll bet more people are familiar with Diana Ross and her songs than they are with Barbra Streisand and her songs. I think Juice is wrong here. Today I heard someone say when I mentioned "I Heard It On the Grapevine," "Are you talking about Marvin Gaye's version?" I did not even know this person knew who Marvin Gaye was. Every day I am astonished at how very popular and how well-known the Motown songs are with everyone. I am talking about people who like only one genre of music and absolutely nothing else. And then they'll surprise me by knowing all the Motown songs. And R & B is not the genre they swear by. I think real musicians love all kinds of music, but the rest of us folks are rather ignorant and think one kind of music is better than another kind. So we narrow our vision and stay with one kind. | ||
Shawn1 (shawn1b) 5-Doyen Username: shawn1b Post Number: 179 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.30.13.211 |
I would have to go with Ross on this one !Babs I love some of her song but I thought Ross sang rings around Babs when you compare both "Don't Rain On My Parade ".Shawn | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 1625 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.27.23 |
Barbra Streisand, hands down! IMO,Diane always aspired to be like babs but..... | ||
douglasm (douglasm) 5-Doyen Username: douglasm Post Number: 180 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.118.222.193 |
Mr. Eli, sir.... .....I never thought of that slant. IYO, do you think Ms. Ross suffered in her solo career by her long association with The Supremes? I have tended to think maybe she became a solo a little late in the game, and she suffered some from both poor handling and the Supremes association in her solo career. I may be wrong too..... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2517 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
It's possible that I'm wrong, however I bet if you check their bank accounts, you'll find quite a disparity. For all of her popularity, the fact remains that Diana has nowhere the kind of clout that Barbra does. Answer this for me, who would be most likely to be cast in a movie by Hollywood? If Diana had so much clout, what happened to her movie career. As I recall, she did get favorable reviews & was a worldwide phenomenom. Since that's the case, why did all of those roles dry up? If she has the same mainstream popularity, why didn't Hollywood seize that opportunity to capatalize on it? Could it be that the moguls recognized the fact that her appeal was more as a singer & not a triple threat type of talent? Could it be that as a BLACK actress, her appeal is instantaneously lessened than that of a more, shall we say "familiar" actress?? I'm only stating the facts as they are. I guarantee you that in almost ALL mainstream ratings, Barbara would finish ahead of Diana everytime. In fact, I'm going to try to Google it & see what comes up. I'd rather not rely on MY opinion. I'd rather state what AMERICA & the WORLD has to say about it. Maybe then, some of us can come out of denial. Seriously, it's ok to like Diana. I've appreciated her music over the years. However, I'm no fool & I don't kid myself. I still stand by what I've said & I've yet to see anyone comes up with anything to disprove my theory. Now Jane, as for someone knowing Marvin Gaye, it would be hard for them not to know this. You have to consider the fact that I Heard It Through The Grapevine was a massive hit. Not only did it surpass Gladys Knight & The Pips version, but it remained on the Pop chart from November '68 until March of '69! Not only that, it also was a #1 Pop hit for 7 weeks. So, it wasn't exactly a unknown hit. Factor in the various remakes (CCR, Paul Young, etc.) & Marvin wouldn't have been synonomous with anonymity. Finally, Marvins' version of I Heard It Through The Grapevine was featured prominently in the huge movie, The Big Chill. Even a non-Marvin Gaye fan would have been exposed to his version, due to it's inclusion in the movie. The Big Chill, as well as its soundtrack did major business, MAJOR business! As I said, in EVERY measurable way, except for Michael Jordan & perhaps Oprah Winfrey, a person of color will NEVER achieve the same level of mass acceptance in America, as a person who is not. It's been proven continually. Seriously, is anyone here going to honestly tell me that there were no better singers, actors or actresses than an Elvis Presley, Marilyn Monroe or Elizabeth Taylor?? Well, if there are, then tell me why these 3 have captured the imagination of the world, when many others, with more talent have not?? Seriously, Elvis is beloved, even though many of his songs were absolutely schlocky garbage. Yes, Elvis had a tremendous voice, he was definitely a great singer. Unfortunately, too often the material was a disservice to his immense talent. He sang a lot of silly songs & America loved it! Would you not admit that Curtis Mayfield made songs whose quality were light years better & a hell of a lot more significant socially? Jackie Wilson had perhaps the greatest, most versatile voice that I've ever heard. He sang the same kind of crappy drivel that Elvis did & was 10 times the dancer & entertainer that Elvis was. Was Jackie ever as acclaimed or loved by mainstream America as Elvis?? ANSWER: HELL NO!!! QUESTION: WHY??? And as for acting, give me a break! He WAS capable of some damn good acting. His roles in Flaming Arrow & Loving You were very good & he did have potential. Col. Parker had other ideas & that was the end of Elvis & his drama career. Regardless, his overall body of work leaves much to be desired. But, his movies did HUGE business. I'll reconsider my position if there's ONE person here who can explain to me how an actress with such limited talent as Marilyn Monroe is infinitely more popular than talents such as Lena Horne, Josephine Baker or Dorothy Dandridge?? If anyone can give me a logical answer to that, I may have to rethink my position. However, I know that won't happen. You see, there IS NO logical answer to my question. At least, not if we're talking talent. If you're being honest, you know that what I'm saying has merit. It just doesn't sound very nice. The truth can be that way sometimes. (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 27, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 27, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2518 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
As promised, I googled up Barbra. Now, what follows is not MY opinion, it is what the WORLD & America had to say. Here's some of the information that comes up: Barbra has accumulated 42 GOLD LPs, 27 PLATINUM LPs & 10 GRAMMYS. She's the only artist EVER to win an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, Peabody & Golden Globe. Additionally, she's also won a Drama Critics Award & her first TV special won 5 Emmys & a Peabody award. She was named the World's Film Favorite 4 TIMES at the Golden Globes. She's won a Grammy "Legends Award" & was the FIRST woman director to win the American Film Institute's Lifetime Achievement Award. She was the first woman to win an Academy Award for a composition. In addition, she also survived the movie disasters, All Night Long & Yentl, for which she received "Razzie" awards for the "Worst Actress". She wrote, produced, directed & starred in the disaster called Yentl. In fact, she was the first woman to do so. Diana Ross couldn't survive "Mahogany", as that was her curtain call in the industry. Here's a link to some of Barbra's accomplishments & awards: http://entertainment.msn.com/c elebs/celeb.aspx?c=54648&mp=a Here's a link to her bio, which gives even more info: http://www.sing365.com/music/l yric.nsf/SingerView/barbra+str eisand I rest my case. | ||
Richard Felstead (felstead2001) 4-Laureate Username: felstead2001 Post Number: 129 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 128.40.91.183 |
Both are stars, both are legends, both are diva's in one form or another, both are beautifully tallented women who have reached at some point, the very top of their tree. Both have made some great music over the years that the world will never forget, both have had hits in the pop charts, and both have dabbled in films. They are also two perfectionists, who are very driven by what they wish to achieve, and both can be equally cringeworthy at times. Personally, there is no choice. For me,Babs would win every time, as I prefer the bulk of the music she has made over the years, and I love her voice just that little bit more. | ||
Reese (reese) 5-Doyen Username: reese Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.15.169.150 |
For me, Diana is tops and always has been. However, I also appreciate Barbra's talent. And I certainly respect the fact that she has managed to hold on to her record-buying fan base, some forty years into her career. For some reason, Diana has not been able to do the same, which I find unfortunate,as she is still making good music. (Message edited by Reese on September 27, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2526 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Reese, I agree with you. I can appreciate Barbara's talent. My grandmothers & aunts used to play her music when I was a child. I grew up on Ed Sullivan, Hollywood Palace & those variety shows. Back then, folks like Barbra, Pearl Bailey, Sammy Davis Jr & Robert Goulet types ruled the variety shows. So, I was as equally familiar with the MOR music, as I was R&B & Motown. In every possible way, I relate to Dianas' music & Motown. How could I not? I just trotted out these facts to show that although we LOVE Dianas music, it doesn't translate into the same kind of OVERALL mass acceptance or POWER, that Barbra wields. This was not a treatise of which one I personally prefer, it answered Cool Ju's question HONESTLY! I instinctively knew just what he meant. I seem to be unique in the fact that I can absolutely love a performer, yet still see things for what they are, without letting my love for them blind me to the truth. In all honesty, currently they are both irrelevant to me musically & I could care less about eithers' popularity. However, one has to be truthful with ones self & I am. If the question posed had been about, say James Brown & Elvis, I'd have answered the same way. For varying reasons, which lead to the same damn well. To paraphrase Eddie King Jr..."Why people got to be crossing over things?" Same as it ever was. | ||
SDF (handsome) 6-Zenith Username: handsome Post Number: 532 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 170.118.158.14 |
Hi Everyone! I like them both, and can see everyone's viewpoints. I have the Diana Ross & The Supremes "Funny Girl" lp. I thought they took a cute stab at it! Handsome |
