|By spidergirl (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 03:08 pm:|
My name is Kim and I was born and 1985 and I was wanting to know what the 50s were like and my step dad got me listening to the Temptations and Johnny Ace and all the love songs really got to me please respond with some memories so I can get in the right state of mind
|By KevGo (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 04:00 pm:|
First of all, welcome to Soulful Detroit.
Many of the groups that we refer to had started their singing & performing careers in the 1950s.
For example, the Temptations were the result of at least two groups that started singing in the 1950s - the Distants (Otis Williams, Eldrige Bryant, Richard Street, Melvin Franklin) & the Primes (Eddie Kendricks & Paul Williams). Smokey Robinson & the Miracles came out of the doo-wop tradition with "Got A Job" and "Bad Girl" (1957 & 1958). The Supremes started as the Primettes (sister group to the Primes), Martha Reeves was in the Del-Phi's, Marvin Gaye sang briefly with Harvey Fuqua's Moonglows. The Four Tops were formed in 1953-54 as the Four Aims and they patterned their style of singing after the vocal jazz groups. Finally, Berry Gordy - Motown's founder - started his career as a songwriter (he co-wrote, among others, "Lonely Teardrops" for the legendary Jackie Wilson).
Music of the 1950s was both romantic and raucous, subtle and explicit (for its time). Johnny Ace's "Pledging My Love" was romantic and was one of the decade's ultimate "make-out" records (think of what a young Barry White would've played for his girlfriend). Hank Ballard & the Midnighters' "Work With Me, Annie" was considered explicit for its time ("Let's get it while the going get's good..."). No need to explain what "it" was! As for raucous, you couldn't get more outrageous than Little Richard ("Tutti Frutti" was originally about a form of sexual intercourse that would've given a nun high blood pressure!).
This is just a brief posting about the music of the 1950s - I'm sure there are others here in the Forum who could share more direct experiences of the decade that helped launch rock & soul.
Good luck and again welcome aboard!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By spidergirl (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 08:14 pm:|
thank you for the letter and do you know more about the 50s if you do right me back
|By medusa9e2003 (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, July 23, 2003 - 08:25 pm:|
U've just given a nice little History Lesson there.
Then again if there's anything 2 know about 50's & 60's music, U R one of the Guys who could tell it all.
|By JoB (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 03:53 am:|
Hello Kim...I may not be able to give you as much of a history lesson as most others on this forum (I've only got you by 6 years), but I what I do know about the 50's, 60's, and 70's, I got from listening to the music (the love songs from those years are what got me hooked, too, and I eventually just started loving everthing else "classic"), watching old movies and performances, reading different biographies and books relating to that era, and most importantly, by having conversations (online and otherwise) with older people, who actually lived it. What happens to me a lot is, I'll be listening to some older music somewhere, or talking about it or an artist, where there are older people around, and they'll just come up to me and ask, "What do YOU know about that??? Your PARENTS where probably just kids when that came out..."---and then will proceed to get into a long but most often interesting conversation about their recollections of the time.
Well, if you really want to learn more about the 50's, then I'll say you came to the right forum...good luck and I hope to see you on here again.
BTW---Tutti Frutti about sex?? LOL...Please expound on that one, Kev...better yet, I'll go somewhere and hear it for myself :o)
|By R&B (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 11:28 am:|
HI SPIDERGIRL,I'M R&B I WAS AROUND DURING THAT GREAT MUSICAL DECADE WHEN YOU COULD HEAR MUSIC ALL OVER YOUR BLOCK,EITHER FROM RECORDS OR FROM STREET CORNER HARMONY[A GROUP OF GUYS OR GIRLS SINGING THEIR HEARTS OUT AND SOUNDING GOOD]HOPING THAT SOMEONE WOULD OFFER THEM A RECORD DEAL[SOMETIMES IT HAPPENED]THERE WERE MANY GREAT GROUPS AND SINGERS THEN[THE DRIFTERS,THE COASTERS,THE PLATTERS,NAT KING COLE,DINAH WASHINGTON,BROOK BENTON,RUTH BROWN AND MANY MORE],YOU COULD GO TO A CONCERT FOR UNDER 2 DOLLARS[AND THE ARTIST ACTUALLY SANG]THE DJ'S PICKED THE SONGS TO BE PLAYED ON THE RADIO[NOT SOME CORP.]IT WAS A GREAT ERA FOR MUSIC.I HOPE THIS HELPS!
|By KevGo (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 11:34 am:|
Check out Little Richard's autobiography (which I read when I was in college) - he descibes in full detail the origin of his hit "Tutti Fruitti" (and one-time repeated it on a radio show I engineered during my broadcasting years).
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Eli (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 11:53 am:|
eh, dis is ol' paulie (over here)
not fer nuttin eh, but in da italian langwidge, tutti fruitti (froschi) means all you gay guys,
capice??@#$%^&* please do ask me hows i know dis, catch my drift??!@#$%^&*(
|By David Meikle (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 05:53 pm:|
Here's a cat from the fifties with a coiff to make you laff. Any ideas who it is?
|By David Meikle (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 05:56 pm:|
Having problems with image uploads tonight...
|By Des (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 06:05 pm:|
Could it be George Melly????
(Jokingly) He looks how I imagine Jocky Wilson may have looked prior to getting to his local Pub Dartboard......That's definitely "Jocky" and not "Jackie Wilson" --- Public Service Announcement for Non-British Viewers !!!
|By Galactus (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 06:05 pm:|
The 50s are sadly becoming the "forgotten decade" of music. "Oldies" playlists no longer include many of those great songs. It irritates me to no end, because the 50s are as great as any subsequent decade of soul. It all started in the 50s.......or actually, even earlier if you're talking The Orioles, The Ink Spots, The Mills Brothers, etc.
I was raised on 50s music. My father was from that era. He graduated high school in '59......I live in and am from South Carolina and I can tell you that "beach music" ruled down here. "Beach music" is really just classic r&b, and it was king in this state, even after the arrival of the Beatles.
I was born in '65 and got into music early. I was listening to stuff at the age of six or seven pretty regularly (Jackson 5 days!!). I became a graphic artist/illustrator, but music would've been my next choice for a career. But I was exposed through my dad to everything the 50s had to offer by way of old 45 rpm records. Jackie Wilson, The Drifters and Sam Cooke were my dad's favorites.......but I also heard The Platters, Buddy Holly, The Rays, The Cadillacs, The Flamingos, The Falcons, Shep and the Limelites, The Jarmels, etc. etc..........great music.
|By Fury13 (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 08:51 pm:|
Amen, Galactus. The '50s were amazing years, musically. I know that many here key on the post-1965 era, but I like the 1953-1964 period best.
|By Soulaholic (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 08:58 pm:|
The strangest thing about the 50's was everything was in black and white!!!!
At least that's how I remember. We did not have a color tv till I was a teenager. So one day my younger brother was watching Captain Kangeroo and Mr. Greenjeans came on, you could have knocked me over he had on a pair of GREEN JEANS!!!! I never knew why he was named that until just that moment. LOL
Thas all I remember of the 50's. ;)
|By Sue (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 09:10 pm:|
Nah Fury I think a lot of us revere the '50s.
I got into the Flamingos, Dion and the Belmonts etc., hearing them as oldies on '60s radio.
At my "job interview" for Creem Magazine, when the editor at the time asked me what my favorite song of all time was, I said "Come Go With Me" by the Del Vikings. That was not a song I heard growing up, but discovered later. So I understand the young soul fans here who've discovered the music of the '60s and '70s later on, because I did that with music of the '50s.
|By douglasm (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 09:21 pm:|
Dum dum dum dum dum, dum be do be......
.....one of the reasons '50's music is in a bit of a decline is demographics. I'm (gulp) 54, graduated in '66, and my demo is not one really welcomed by advertisers. As the oldies radio crowd ages, the oldies are getting newer, and tending to shy away from the early stuff that one might have heard 10 years ago. I'm just waiting for "oldies" radio to move to the Arrow format now that late '70's early '80's pop music is 25 plus years old.
|By Fury13 (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 09:29 pm:|
Age demographics are given too much weight in commercial radio. Older music isn't just cheesy nostalgia. Good music is good music... no matter when it was produced!
|By Sue (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 09:30 pm:|
What's the Arrow format?
I'm waiting for a break from the same old, same old cycle; oldies radio played for middle-aged people, then it gets ditched for the next generation's high school music.
I'd like to see a format that doesn't assume that the people who like the music are from the generation who heard it the first time, and it's strictly nostalgia.
Everybody who hears the Flamingos "I Only Have Eyes For You" likes it -- everybody I care about ...some music really is timeless and shouldn't be relegated to the oldies scrap heap.
|By douglasm (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 09:50 pm:|
Arrow is about a step and a half up on the generational ladder. Kind of late 70's/early 80's pop, as opposed to the "traditional" oldies format.
I agree with you, by the way.
|By Nish (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 10:24 pm:|
I was born in '80, but my hometown (Pittsburgh) contributed greatly to the sound of the 50s/early 60s with the Dell-Vikings, Holidays, Skyliners, La-Rells and my parents and aunts and uncles saw it all go down. My mother went to hops at the White Elephant and Danceland. When she got a little older, the Crawford Grill in the Hill had jazz and soul artists come through, and she saw those shows.
Back then she wore dungarees, Bass bucks, moccasins, saddle oxfords, etc. She loves pencil skirts. Now we both do! :-)
She saw the miracles at a FAIR (gasp!)! And the first 45 she owned was "The Wind" by the Diablos, one of my top 3 doo-wop groups.
The 1950s produced the Template for many of the popular male groups of the 60s and 70s. Clyde McPhatter with the Dominoes, Flamingos, etc. They all influenced the Tempts, Tops, etc.
The '50s were a great decade for independent label owners too, so many little "labels that could" produced some great doo-wop records (I hate the term doo-wop, to me it's just rhythm and blues sung by a group, just as we consider both Marvin Gaye and the Temptations to be "soul" acts).
|By Lonnie Cook (22.214.171.124) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 12:37 am:|
Richard (Little)Penniman has told the world many times on talk shows (no doubt) that the record company made him change the lyric to 'Tutti Fruiti oh Rooti' the original lyric was 'Tutti Fruiti good Booty'
|By Eli (126.96.36.199) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 10:04 am:|
The origin of the word "doo wop" comes from the
"nonsense" type vocal background parts that the very early groups came up with due to the fact that they could not afford a band so they mimiced musical instrument sounds with their voices and the earlier mimiced parts consisted of "doo wah doo wah" or "doo wop doo wop" and the bass voice would mimic a standup bass.
After while the backing parts starting getting more complex or nonsensical as in all the "do lang" and "rama lama" and "shoo be doo be" type things.
|By paulie3shoes (188.8.131.52) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 10:06 am:|
eh, dis is paulie (over here)
who is dat guy on da post of july 24t at 5:56 pm??#$%^&
sumbody tell me, capice???
|By SisDetroit (184.108.40.206) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 12:41 pm:|
Little Willie John
|By Lonnie Cook (220.127.116.11) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 01:03 pm:|
The explanation you gave of where the term Doo Wop came from is widely propagated but it is not entirely correct. The derivation of the term was the background of group harmony, but!!! If you trace the evolution of Rhythm & Blues group harmony you will not hear a preponderance of that until the late 50's on. The reason for the escalation (I was there and hated it)was the mass of white groups that were trying to simulate the sound, they overemphasized and exaggerated. Consequently you will find that the late 50's and early sixties produced the bulk of the groups that sang like that. The few Blacks that had previously employed that sort of thing did it as a joke or humorously, at least. That sound became serious music after the advent of groups like Dion & the Belmonts's "I wonder why". Go and listen to the music chronologically and you'll see what I mean. Correspondingly the term doo wop was coined in the early sixties not from listening to the fifties Rhythm & Blues groups.
|By musicchef (18.104.22.168) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 01:26 pm:|
Time for a "PoPsie" shot from the 50's...
Here's a rare glimpse of the Penguins live on stage...
|By KevGo (22.214.171.124) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 01:36 pm:|
Lonnie & Bobby:
If I may add onto what Lonnie said...Those who follow the doo-wop tradition know that the "doo-wop-doo-wah..." voicings was not what many groups utilized. For example, Harvey Fuqua utilized what was called "blow harmonies" for the Moonglows ("hoo-hoo-wee-hoo, hoo-ee, hoo-ee" - from "Sincerely"). Sonny Til & the Orioles used the same technique in "Crying In The Chapel" while the Chords' "Sh-boom" was rooted in skat-singing. "Doo-Wop", just like rock & roll and R&B, was a term cooked up to describe the genre simply for the masses.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Fury13 (126.96.36.199) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 01:41 pm:|
The original lyrics of "Tutti Frutti" were even more explicit than that, from what I understand (I won't post them here, out of a sense of propriety). The verses were filthy too, not just the chorus, and Little Richard had been singing the song as a live show-stopping number for a number of years before it was recorded in late 1955.
Clues to the original lyrics can be found here:
I've also read that at times, "loose" was substituted for "good"... no wonder it had to be cleaned up!
Regarding the "little labels that could," here's a decent listing of the postwar independents that changed the music business in the '50s:
In Detroit, we had Sensation (not listed on that site) and Fortune. Flick/Contour/Bumble Bee/LuPine came later.
|By KevGo (188.8.131.52) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 01:57 pm:|
That's why I only alluded to the original lyrics of "Tutti-Fruitti" and not reprint them here!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Galactus (184.108.40.206) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 04:05 pm:|
Yeah, I've always wondered about where the line was drawn between what's "doo wop" and what's "r&b." Interesting.
Thinking about this music is funny, because I was never one of those teens who listened to music my dad couldn't stand! I loved his music and he loved mine! He could dig the Commodores every bit as much as The Coasters, and I likewise.......it was all part of the same genre and we could feel it!!
|By spidergirl (220.127.116.11) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 04:42 pm:|
i have heard so of this stuff for my step day coues he use to live and Detroit and thanks for send this to me if you know more will you tell me more
|By Des (18.104.22.168) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 06:18 pm:|
David Meikle --- You ever going to put us out of our misery on your earlier Photographic post.
Mr.Eli also wants to know.......or,at least his cousin Paulie wants to know.....
|By MEL&THEN SOME (22.214.171.124) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 06:20 pm:|
it sure does look like Jockey on the Ockey Wilson.
|By Des (126.96.36.199) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 06:41 pm:|
I know,Mel......I'm kind of hoping it is.....Pretty mean looking dude (I hope it's nobody on this Forum,eh?)
|By MEL&THEN SOME (188.8.131.52) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 06:52 pm:|
you never know mate.
I am well into the early music going as far back as to Bessie Smith etc.
Regards the 1950's I really dig them all
especially Little Esther and 'mainliner' or her 't'aint whatcha say'
but also with the Dominoes and the superb 'Deacon is movin' in'
As well as the superbJimmy Ricks and the Ravens,all the other well known giants.
But I always look out for the various others that were around
such as the likes of
The Original Crickets.
Wini Brown and her Boyfriends.
Steve Gibson and the original Red Caps.
Gene and Eunice.
Eddie Cooley and the Dimples.
The Four Tunes.
as wellas the hundreds more that sound so nice
I have to spin them Thrice.
|By Des (184.108.40.206) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:19 pm:|
Mel/ I've read many of your posts and I'm in awe of your knowledge and collection.Am I wrong to think that you are not just a private collector/lover of this type of music?
And I gather you're also here in UK - Liverpool area?? Or am I mistaken in what I thought I'd read on some other Thread?
I'm not into most of what you tend to post - I just don't know the artists you regularly bring to the party.....I'm often up in Liverpool and maybe we can have a game of Darts some time....
Of course,if you're in the US of A and I've just made a fool of myself....apologies
|By Fury13 (220.127.116.11) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:22 pm:|
Mel... "Ko Ko Mo" by Gene & Eunice (I had the 78 on the Combo label) still knocks me out.
Eddie Cooley had a hit with "Priscilla" but was also the co-writer of Little Willie John's "Fever." Hope he made some money off that one...
|By MEL&THEN SOME9 (18.104.22.168) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:26 pm:|
Your spot on amigo.
12 miles from Liverpool or Everton as I call it as I am a big Evertonian.
I am just a collector of over 32 years now.
Rare Soul/northern soul is my forte
especially obscure 4 beats to the bar uptempo dancers.
But am into all the stuff that I mentioned above.
Plus Gospel and some jazz.
Anytime your up this end Des
give me a nod and we can meet up no problemo.
Keep on Keeping On
|By Des (22.214.171.124) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:39 pm:|
You've really gone up in my estimation.
I have a good mate who lives on the Wirral(Pensby) and he's a major Toffee.....I've replaced Gazza in my heartfelt football heroes with Roonaldo....big season ahead for the lad......but for my sins,I'm a Spurs fan.
Haven't lost at Goodison for yonks(as u know).I was there last season for the opening game - when the old-Toffees were rolled out to their adoring fans AND,of course,Wayne played his first (maybe first start,come to think of it) game -- and he looked awesome even on that day.
Probably not too many know what the hell we're talking about here --- still,there was the recent post about Baseball....so we'll be ok.
|By MEL&THEN SOME9 (126.96.36.199) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:50 pm:|
'Ko Ko Mo'
sure still sounds the buisness to me mate.
So your a big Chas and Dave fan as well then.
Thats the only London ground that I never got to somehow.
Always remember a tuesday night game for the championship more or less
and over 10,000 blues went up.
And Southall did a save and a half.
Anyway back to the sounds
off to the rub a dub
for a tex ritter'
Union Jack Mel.
|By Des (188.8.131.52) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 07:55 pm:|
Yeah,Yeah,I know ---- bloody z-cars,Mel???
Pot and kettle,mate
|By paulie3shoes (184.108.40.206) on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 09:16 pm:|
eh, dis is ol paulie(over here)
I tink dat da guy in dat pixtchure looks like he got a buncha friggin boids gettin reddy to fly outta hiz hair!! he kinda looks like my cuzzin
salvy da greaseball wit dat hair....marrone!!!!
why don nobody wanna gess who dat guy iz, eh????@#$%^&*()EH????????$%^&*
|By La Quan (220.127.116.11) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 10:06 am:|
Who dat dude in da flick, Thursday, the 24th at 5;56 pm??
He look like he got a birds nest on his head, na mean? Dats one serious process.
|By Lynn Bruce (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, July 26, 2003 - 01:50 pm:|
Lets see now: First I had to get a big dollop of Royal Crown pomade for men,then rub it all through my hair,then slick it all back,then take my comb(or fingers) and ever so gently pull the front down.
The idea was for everyone to think that it just fell over your forehead naturally,since you were way to cool to have anyone think you took any time positioning (gasp,the shame) your hair.
Most of my friends black(processed),white(conked)
wore their hair just like that picture.
WAIT A MINUTE,the Count still has his hair that way!
I might give it a try again except for a cruel joke played on me by old man time(a brevity of follicles in the epidermis)
|By paulie3shoes (22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 10:06 am:|
so somebody tell me who is dis guy???
eh, wassamatter u, capice??
not fer nuttin but he looks like my goomba guido(da fish)pescatore
|By Ralph (126.96.36.199) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 05:30 pm:|
Regarding the mystery pic: I got it!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
|By Des (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 05:34 pm:|
C'mon Ralph/David.......spill it
|By SisDetroit (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 05:46 pm:|
Is that Babbitt?
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 07:16 pm:|
It's someone we all know and love. Well...most of us know and love. Errr..some of us know and love. Well..I know and love..or at least like...a little.
|By Ralph (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 07:18 pm:|
Not a bad guess Sis. You're getting warm.
|By SisDetroit (22.214.171.124) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 08:19 pm:|
Ralph - Looking at one of your photos you took with your brother, I almost said it was you. But, you seemed not to know who it is. I know you got your tan due to the fact that you've been in California for years, and your hair seems to be darker. You've got thick hair, just like the young lad in the photo. But, I'm taking a chance. Is that you when you were about 14???
|By SisDetroit (126.96.36.199) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 08:23 pm:|
That is Bobby Eli!!
|By Ralph (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 08:59 pm:|
You win the grand prize. None other than our boy Bobby.
|By SisDetroit (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 10:53 pm:|
YEA!!!!!!!!! You had me going Ralph. (LOL) DMeikle, you thought you could get away with that didn't you? :o)
|By Process Junior (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, July 27, 2003 - 11:55 pm:|
I admit it, it is lil ol' me at the tender age of 14 with my very first "process" (lol)
You shoulda seen the back with that slick D.A.!!
I must have used a whole jar of Olivo on that do.
Coulda fried up some Gospel Bird with the residue!!
I'll tell ya..I would kill for that hair right now, but NOT with that style!!
|By SisDetroit (18.104.22.168) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:13 am:|
Eli - LOL. I was on it. I even guessed the age you were on that photo. Ok, next one. :o)
|By Eli (22.214.171.124) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 12:18 am:|
I do have some doozies for ya!!
I will assemble some classic ones and send them to David to sort out and post.
|By KevGo (126.96.36.199) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:27 pm:|
Competing with Fabian & Frankie in the hair department, eh? Dick Clark would've hired you just for the looks!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Lynn Bruce (188.8.131.52) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:34 pm:|
Bobby,a few years ago after being out in the sun for a few hours with no hat,later that night it felt like someone had hit me on the top of my head with a club. That's when I knew my days of cool hair styles were gone.
Unless of course Ben Franklins hair style becomes the latest craze.LOL
|By Eli (184.108.40.206) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 01:35 pm:|
Ill need to confer with my main goomba Paulie 3 shoes(over there) for I think that he may have been a regular ahem...or is that irregular(lol), capice??@!#$%^&*
|By SisDetroit (220.127.116.11) on Monday, July 28, 2003 - 06:56 pm:|
Lynn Bruce - I am LMAO!