|By MEL&THEN SOME (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 02:07 pm:|
Ralph,any news on how Mr.Levi Stubbs is doing regards his recovery from illness,and if you can pass on my regards to him or his daughter or who ever then it would be much appreciated.Still thinking about you Levi.MEL.
|By Ralph (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:36 pm:|
It is my understanding that Levi is slowly improving. Perhaps his daughter Deborah can keep us informed on his progress. Needless to say he is in all our thoughts and prayers.
|By Deborah (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:38 pm:|
Hi Mel & Then Some,
My dad is doing a lot better. As I explained to
Sue, he is not battling the prostate cancer any
longer, because his PSA level has been normal for
quite sometime. He did suffer a mild stroke over
the summer, so he is recovering from that. He was
hospitalized for about a week, and then he went
into physical therapy for about 30 days. He is
doing much better, and he is still continuing with
the outpatient therapy since he has been released
and is at home.
Please continue to keep him in your prayers and
hopefully he will be able to see all you guys
again real soon!!!
|By Common (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:51 pm:|
I will keep your father in my thoughts & prayers.
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 03:56 pm:|
Thank you for responding.That is all good news.
|By Vickie (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 04:29 pm:|
Thanks for keeping us informed of your father's progress - he is dearly loved here on the forum and we want him well again ..
His voice has brought me much joy in my life and I am sure others as well...
|By Eddie Hubbard (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 04:53 pm:|
Hello Deborah , please give your Father my regards, he has one of the greatest Soul music voices ever , and the music of The Four Tops was the soundtrack to my youth [ along with the rest of the Motown sound ] . Hope he gets stronger and stronger , our thoughts are with you and your family ,Best Wishes,Eddie.
|By Nish (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 04:55 pm:|
Thanks for the updates, Miss Deborah, I will continue to pray for your dad, and also I hope you are coping well through these times. :-)
|By MEL&THEN SOME (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, October 30, 2002 - 11:57 pm:|
Many thanks Deborah,it goes without saying that your father is in our prayers.Also thank you Ralph.MEL.
|By Clay (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:09 am:|
Tell Levi, Clay said he has a song Taylor made for him as soon as he feels he's ready to sing. And the best part is this one won't cost him a dime,because it's on me. He's my favorite and deserves all the Blessings available. Peace
|By Deborah (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:21 am:|
Thank you so much Clay. That means an awful lot
coming from you!!! I will be sure and let him
know right away so he can get ready for it!!! He
has spoken so highly of you over the years, I'm
sure the pleasure will be all his!!! Are you
here in Detroit? I would love to finally meet you after hearing so much about you.
God bless you!!!
|By KevGo (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 11:01 am:|
Please tell Levi to keep up the therapy and rest up as much as possible. My family's thoughts and prayers are with you & Dad.
|By Sue (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 12:58 pm:|
Deborah -- yes Clay is in town ..
|By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (126.96.36.199) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 06:55 am:|
Hi Deborah, tell Levi that Weldon A. Mc Dougal III said Hi and I'm praying for him,we go way back
|By Dee (188.8.131.52) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 11:20 am:|
So glad to be able to tell you just how much people around the world admire your father. It wasn't until recently that I became aware of his health problems and since then have been trying to find all the information that I could on his recovery. Please know that he is in everyone's prayers and hoping to see him back up on that stage soon.
Best wishes, Dee
|By Deborah (184.108.40.206) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 01:14 pm:|
Thank you very much for those kind words. It is
very nice to know how much our Dad (there are four
other siblings beside myself) is loved and cared
for by all of you and his fans around the world!!
I will continue to keep the forum informed as to
his progress and we (family) are looking forward
to seeing him back on stage also!!!
God bless you and thank you.
|By Alan Duhe (220.127.116.11) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 06:59 pm:|
I'm a hugh Four Tops fan. I go all the way back to "Bernadette". Your dad is my all time favorite. I will always have Levi and your family in my prayers. Unlike Clay, he doesn't know me, but I've got a couple of tunes waiting for him and like Clay, they won't cost him nothing...they're on me !! :0)
For all of the joy and happiness that the Tops has brought us through out the years, Levi deserves all of our prayers.
|By Jonel (18.104.22.168) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 10:17 pm:|
Thanks for sharing the news about your father. All good wishes and my heartfelt prayers for his continued improvement. I listen to his music everyday. Please thank him and tell him that we wish him well!
|By Stranger56 (22.214.171.124) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 11:18 pm:|
My name is Jim and I know your Dad and the guys since about 1988. I've worked at the Westbury Music Fair, in NY, for 14 years and we've had some great times together. I'm the guy that furnishes your Dad with all his Sinatra videos (tell him I have more when he's ready).
I've been meaning to call him, but I never know when is a good time, and I'd feel terrible if he were resting, and I woke him.
Please tell him I love him and hope he improves with everyday. Let him know his health is the most important thing, not returning to the stage, because the truth is, he's already given us a treasure chest full of great memories, and there's nothing I'd like more than for him to live the rest of his long life pain-free and in comfort.
It must be wonderful to know that your father is so loved, and recognized by so many to be the greatest singer of Soul Music there has ever been.
God Bless Him.
|By TD (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 07:53 am:|
How about greatest singer of all time-period
|By ALJAYDU (188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 09:29 am:|
TD, I agree with you...THE Greatest Singer of All Times !
|By stranger56 (184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 09:37 am:|
Normally I would say that, but I'm also a big Sinatra guy, and given his 7 decades of singing, and his body of work, it would be hard not to include him when talking about the greatest of all time.
But those are my two guys: Levi and Frank.
And truth is, Levi also feels the same way about Sinatra.
|By DEBORAH (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 09:37 am:|
Hi Stranger56 and TD,
You guys are so wonderful to say all these nice
things about my Dad. First I'd like to thank you
both, and everyone on the forum for continuing to
keep him in your thoughts and prayers. That means
a lot to my Dad, and to our family as well.
He actually is doing a lot better and everytime
he goes to the doctor he gets a good report which
is very encouraging!!!
Jim, I have to agree with you about his health
being the most important thing. We'd all love to
see him back out there doing what he loves to do,
but he's got to be strong enough and healthy
enough to endure the traveling and the performing.
He has an excellent support system at home with
my Mom!! There are five children including myself,
and we all help out, but believe me ,she is truly
"The wind beneath his wings".
Again, thank you...and most of all, thank you for
loving him and continuing to support him. Your
kind words and expressions will never be forgotten.
Jim, if you want to call him, the best time is
in the late afternoon or early evening hours.
I'm sure he'd love to hear from you!!!
Thank you guys and God bless you.
|By Vonnie (18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:31 am:|
Your father has always been a gentleman and a genuine person. I met him and all of the Tops many years ago at the Uptown in Philly. My guy Bobby Eli almost played with the Tops in the 60's but due to the race climate in America at that time, they could not chance using him. I know that they were very apologetic and their only concern was for his safety.
May God Bless your father and Bobby and I will continue praying for his full recovery.
|By Stranger56 (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:49 am:|
He has blessed us with his talent, but the truth is he IS blessed to have such support from a loving family.
God Bless Him, and
God Bless You.
Deb, if you want, you can e-mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org .
I have some Sinatra tapes for him if he's up to watching them.
Otherwise, tell him to expect a call from me.
|By DEBORAH (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 11:27 am:|
Thank you so much!! I will contact you personally
and please by all means, send him the tapes. I
am sure he will enjoy viewing them.
After receiving your first message, I began to
reflect on my Dad singing "I've Got You Under My
Skin", by Mr. Sinatra. He seemed to enjoy that
part of the show so much and now I know why!!
|By Tony Micale Reflections (188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:12 pm:|
Your dad and our group go back a long ways. I'm Tony of the Reflections. the tops were our teachers, Levi,Duke,lawrwnce,and obie thought us routines back in the early 60's. Joann bratton called them smooth and wanted us to learn from the best. And we also appeared with them many years later on Kelly & Company. I'm so glad to hear he's getting better,and we pray for his quick recovery. God Bless Tony
|By Stranger56 (184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 01:18 pm:|
Deb, I await your e-mail.
Your Dad and I used to talk "Sinatra" all the time, so I always knew how he felt about him.
In fact, I remember, back in 1993, I "hipped" your dad to the fact that Frank was recording a Duets album, with singers from all different genres, and I suggested that he get in touch with the necessary people. For some reason, it never got done, and Frank recorded I've Got You Under My Skin with Bono, from U2. But can you imagine how great it would've sounded to have it sung by Frank & Levi?
Man, oh man!
Too, too bad.
And, of course, the CD went on to win all sorts of awards, and a whole new generation of fans for Sinatra.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda.
|By DEBORAH (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 03:54 pm:|
That would have been awesome!!! I think I
remember some of the cuts from that CD. My dad
loves that kind of music, and I'm sure you know
the Tops sung a lot jazz and harmony type tunes
before they signed with Motown.
Do you have "Four Tops Fourever"? It is a four
CD set with all of their songs from the sixties
thru the early to mid-nineties. It is very nice
and brings back a lot of good childhood memories.
There are a lot of great pictures in there also.
They also released a Christmas CD just before
Lawrence passed. It is very special to us because
all of the children and some of the grandchildren
were singing background on one of the particular
cuts. I think (if I remember correctly) the
CD is entitled "Four Tops Christmas" and the
cut I'm referring to is "Christmas Here With You"
It's really nice. There are a couple of songs
with Aretha and my Dad sharing the leads and
Obie, Duke, and Lawrence do a couple of leads also.
|By Stranger56 (18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 04:50 pm:|
Of course, I have the Boxed Set and the Christmas CD.
I was fortunate enough to be given an opportunity to provide Harry Weinger with a tiny bit of assistance on the Fourever project and Harry was nice enough to include my name in the acknowledgements.
Its a wonderful set and I recommend it highly to anyone that doesn't have it.
The Xmas CD is a whole lot of fun, and we waited a long time for it. It was worth the wait.
And, of course, there was Breaking Through, which I spent 20-some odd years searching for, having heard various rumors of it being released in 63-64 and then immediately pulled by Berry. I have come to find out that it wasn't released, and that the cd that was released a couple of years ago is NOT, in fact, the original album, but rather, a collection of unreleased songs from that era that were compiled by Harry's team for inclusion in the Cd release. Whatever the case, it is absolutely heavenly, and I crave more (Harry, are you listening?).
Anyway, Deborah, don't forget to e-mail me (maybe this evening). I'll tell you about the last show your Dad performed with the group, before taking this time off, and how he sang What Now My Love, and pulled out a couple of other gems from his magical hat.
|By TD (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 07:59 pm:|
The Christmas c.d. is Tops. I could tell there was a lot of love in the making of this. There are several classic original songs that get a lot of air play during this time of season.
|By Jonel (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:32 pm:|
Dragon, the Temptations former bodyguard, asked if you would email him email@example.com Thanks!
Hi Jim! Great to see you here.
|By Creole (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 09:32 am:|
just a line to say that I've been a Tops' fan for many, many years. Your Dad is in my prayers. He's my all-time favorite singer. NO ONE can blow like Levi. Period.
Stranger...what's happenin', my man? Let me know what time it is, ok? :o)
|By Sam Papa (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 02:59 pm:|
I just wanted to let you and your father know how much I love him and the rest of the Tops. I live in the Youngstown Ohio area and feel so lucky that I was able to see them as often as I did since they performed in the Pittsburgh,Cleveland area so frequently. Your Father's character speaks for itself. No other performer with his talent would have stayed with the same group the way he has. I've always been overwhelmed by his loyalty and unselfishness. I'll always think of him and pray that he gets well soon.
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 03:26 pm:|
Thanks for posting. You speak for all of us.
|By Ritchie (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 03:53 pm:|
Absolutely! Here in the UK, we've always had a special love for the Tops, which is undiminished to this very day. "Levi Stubbs Fourever!"
|By Lucy (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 09:01 pm:|
I have been a HUGE FAN of your Father since my High School days.He has,without a doubt,THE MOST INCREDIBLE VOICE EVER.I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING HIM ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO.IT WAS A DREAM COME TRUE FOR ME.
From reading your posts,you sound like a wonderful person.It sure sounds like your Dad has a wonderful family and support system.
I PRAY HE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE.
GOD BLESS HIM AND YOUR FAMILY.
I LOVE THE MAN.
|By Larry (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, November 13, 2002 - 09:06 pm:|
I too am a huge fan of your fathers.
I know his stuff like the back of my hand.
I wish your entire family the best.
p.s. first google hit for Mr. Stubbs was interesting:
p.p.s. My Uncle and his partner wrote SITSOL a song forever credited to H-D-H.
My Uncle lost in court. Long story, be he's not a liar.
|By DEBORAH (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:06 am:|
Hi Lucy and Larry,
Thank you for your prayers and kind words. As I have said before, it is really nice to know that
so many people love and care about my Dad and
I am one of four siblings, and when I share these
messages with my sisters and brothers, they are
very grateful also!!!
By the way Larry, my Dad didn't attend Cass High
he attended Pershing High....so how did he get
into the Cass Hall of Fame??? Just wondering...
|By larry (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:30 am:|
I've written the site owner asking the same.
It's a cool site, obviously someone's pride and passion. Maybe they're innocently spreading a rumor?
|By Larry (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 05:03 pm:|
From the Webmistress at Casstech site:
Hello Mr. Rott,
I have heard from several sources that Mr. Stubbs graduated from Cass Tech, although I'm not sure what year. This is the first that I have heard differently, although his daughter should know!
I will look into this. Thanks for the information. I am always looking for ways to improve the authenticity of my site and information like this will help me do just that. Thanks again.
It appears you are right. I looked it up and found that (Levi) Stubbs and one of the other group members both went to Pershing. I will update my site as soon as possible. Thanks for your help.
Karla - CassTechFame Webmistress
|By DEBORAH (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 05:21 pm:|
Good work Larry!!! Thanks for passing that along.
It would be nice if Pershing High had something
like that...or maybe they do and I just don't
know about it. A lot of entertainers came out of
that (Pershing) school.
|By Creole (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:49 pm:|
You know that one has finally made it when you find one's name in an encyclopedia...
|By Creole (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 07:56 pm:|
when you click on the link, for some reason, it takes you to another page...between the Fantastic and Four, in the address bar, there's going to be 3 symbols...delete them and place a "+" (without the "", then click "Go" (if you're using IE.). Scroll down and see The Tops in the encyclopedia (I spelled that??????) (Without help????)
|By SisDetroit (188.8.131.52) on Saturday, November 16, 2002 - 09:51 pm:|
Hi Deborah - I need not tell you how close to my heart your father is along with the Four Tops. It will be a great day when Levi returns to performing with the Four Tops. Give him my love.
(I saw Duke at the Premiere.)
I am the sister of Lenny who used to play Bass for Enchantment. I just heard that they will have a show here soon. Is is possible for you to start a thread for them, and let us know what's going on with them. Thanks
|By DEBORAH (184.108.40.206) on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 11:04 am:|
Thank you for the kind words and the love you
have expressed for my Dad and the Four Tops!! It
is greatly appreciated. I look forward to the
day that my father will be able to return to the
stage also, if that is God's will, but for now
please continue to keep him in your prayers, and
the other "Tops" as well.
Enchantment does have a show here in Detroit on
Friday, Nov 22, at the Millennium Theatre. This
was formely the Northland Theatre. The show also
features "Pieces of a Dream", so that should be
a real nice variation since they are a jazz group.
I will be glad to start a thread for Enchantment
so anyone that is interested can find out what is
going on with them. Look for it real soon !!
Also, say hello to Lenny, and I hope you can make
it to the show this Friday evening.
|By Lucy (220.127.116.11) on Monday, November 18, 2002 - 08:32 pm:|
It's that time of year when I play and play and play...CHRISTMAS HERE WITH YOU.IT JUST WARMS MY HEART.THE CHILDREN SINGING BRINGS A HUGE SMILE TO MY FACE.
AND THEN THERE IS YOUR DAD'S VOICE...A GIFT FROM GOD...HE TRULY WAS BLESSED WITH A VOICE LIKE NO OTHER.
WE HAVE SEEN THE TOPS PERFORM MANY TIMES,AND EACH TIME YOUR DAD SINGS..I BELIEVE IN YOU AND ME...MY HUSBAND HAS TO LEAVE THE ROOM.THE SONG,WITHOUT A DOUBT,BRINGS OUT MANY EMOTIONS.
PLEASE CONVEY THIS TO YOUR FAMILY....AND TELL YOUR DAD I PRAY HE WILL CONTINUE TO IMPROVE...
AND MOST OF ALL...I LOVE THE MAN.
|By DEBORAH (18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 09:10 am:|
I love the CD too!!! We had a lot of fun doing
the background on "Christmas Here With You"!!
Actually the background is being sung by all of
the Tops children and some of the grandchildren.
The little voices that say "Santa Claus is coming"
are the younger grandchildren that couldn't read
at the time.
It was really funny how that all happened. One
night during the holidays, we were all sitting
around at my Dad's and he was playing the demo
for us. They were planning to release it the
following Christmas. Well, my sisters and my
cousin Rhonda, and myself, starting singing the
background with the demo, just kidding around, and
my Dad recorded it.
He called Lawrence and they agreed that it would
be a fun thing to do....so the following summer
we were all called into the studio to do the
background. It was a lot of fun!!! The Tops all
have large families, so it was just like a reunion
once we all got there.
It was truly an experience that we will cherish
the rest of our lives!!!
|By JoeR (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 01:25 pm:|
New poster here and I just wanted to let you know that whenever someone asks me who are my greatest lead singers of all time, I mention LEVI STUBBS, JOHNNY MAESTRO and my boss EARL LEWIS (in that order).
I'm praying for a healthy recovery for Mr. Stubbs. I can imagine how he feels not being on the road as before but a I feel a healthy recovery is more profitable than a speedy recovery.
All my best
JoeR - Earl Lewis & The Channels
|By DEBORAH (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 02:54 pm:|
First of all I'd like to say welcome to the forum!
I'm sure you'll find it very interesting and
informative, and most of all a lot of fun!
Thank you for your prayers and I'm sure my Dad
will be pleased to know that you consider him
one of the greatest lead singers of all times!
That is such a compliment!!!
You are right, a healthy recovery is by far more
profitable than a speedy one, and we definately
want him to be healthy....so please keep praying.
He is doing a lot better and we know that God
does answer prayer!!
|By Keith Herschell - London (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 08:39 am:|
I was driving to work this morning feeling like death, due to having only a few hours sleep. I was listening to a tape and the Tops started singing'Just ask the lonely', and I began to feel better. And then at the end of the song when Levi gives full reign to the line 'Ask me, I'm the loneliest one you will see', my spirits soared. When the great soul voices are talked of ie. Sam Cooke, Jackie Wilson etc, Levi Stubbs should be spoken of in the same breath. I remember reading in a book on soul music (Idon't remember which one) the author describing Levi as the voice of a mighty man, brought to his knees by the tribulations of love. I know Levi realises how popular the tops are in the UK, but I don't know if he is aware of just how much affection he personally engenders in the hearts of soul music fans over here. WE LOVE THAT MAN. Please pass on our wishes that he makes a speedy recovery. And when he feels up to it PLEASE ask him to come on to this site, and say hello.
|By KevGo (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 11:10 am:|
KevGo from NYC here. I was listening to my well-worn Four Tops Greatest Hits LP last night along with "The Four Tops On Top" and "Changing Times" on an old record player made in the early 1960s and I felt like I was transported back in time when music had MELODY and singing was in time and on key. Your Dad's voice to me will always be one of the greatest treasures this world has. On another note, I managed a contemporary jazz group who would always play "I Believe In You & Me" as their closing number. We wish Levi a very speedy recovery.
Kevin L. Goins
|By DEBORAH (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 01:02 pm:|
Hi Keith and KevGo,
Glad to hear you guys are still enjoying the music!!! It really kind of takes you back doesn't
it? Believe it or not, I do share these messages
with my Dad and other family members because I
think it is important for them to know how much
you all love and appreciate the music and how
you are all praying for his (Dad) recovery.
To you guys, and everyone on the forum that has
expressed their concerns, again, on behalf of
the entire Stubbs family, we want to say "thank
you".....and please keep on praying!!!
We love you!!!
|By Carl Dixon London (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:25 pm:|
'I can't help myself' but post something on this thread. 'I'm grateful' for the music your dad and the rest of the Tops have given us over the years. I hope his recovery is soon, after all, 'one chain don't make a prison' and we all want him back on his feet to enjoy his family. This might sound like 'the same old song', but we do really care about our best friends in the music business, no matter what. He and all the others associated with the music we love have had a great impact on our lives and we are indebted, truly. 'Your love is amazing' for him and ours, we show it by buying records in the first place, all those years ago, then going to the live events and now, by continuing to play the songs we love, frequenting the forum to see our buddies and any celebrity who may have dropped in to say hi and even going to see movies like 'Standing in the Shadows of Motown all these years later. Please tell him ‘Are you man enough’ has very happy memories for me and brings me joy and happiness when I hear it. Just like Keith said above, we love him; he is part of our family and always will be.
|By MEL&THEN SOME (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 02:41 pm:|
great piece,and Deborah after 30years of listening to your father and the Tops,I am still blown away by everything they have done.
I have some great video footage of your father and co.on the Ed Sullivan show many years ago.
Please let him know that everyone in the u.k.(and especially on the uk rare/northern soul scene )are still hitting the dancefloor to that magical voice of his.
Please pass on all our best to your father Deborah.(I cant choose my fave by the group as after playing them again,they all just do the buisness).
|By Livonia Ken (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 03:11 pm:|
re: The Four Tops on Ed Sullivan
I always smile during the after-performance chat with Ed Sullivan where Levi Stubbs gives him a quick lesson on how to do the boogaloo. As a matter of fact, relating to the earlier discussion, I believe all of the Tops mention the names of the high schools they attended after one of their appearances.
Anyway, as with everyone else here, I offer my best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery.
|By DEBORAH (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 04:57 pm:|
You guys are just the greatest!!! I mean that from
the bottom of my heart. I'm sitting here all
teary eyed while reading all of this. I never
imagined when I signed onto the forum a few months
ago it would be like this!!!
Carl....I love that piece you wrote and I can't
wait to pass it along!!!
With all this love in the universe, my Dad should
be back on track in no time!!!!
LOVE YOU ALL.....
|By Vickie (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 06:40 pm:|
I was so happy when I found video footage of Tammi from The Hy Lit Show, the video house that dubbed it for me kept the reel running and on it they left me two special treats (by accident mind you)...They left The Four Tops, singing "Don't Walk Away Renee" and "Reach Out, I'll Be There"
I was a very happy Four Tops fan that day....I am glad I have that tape..I love Levis' voice so much... A lot of joy over the years and many good memories...
|By LUCY (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:29 pm:|
As I am writing this I am listening to CHRISTMAS HERE WITH YOU.
YOUR DAD'S VOICE NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME.
IT IS,BEYOND A DOUBT,IN A CLASS BY ITSELF.THERE NEVER EVER WILL BE ANOTHER.HOW FORTUNATE YOUR FAMILY HAS BEEN TO HAVE BEEN BLESSED WITH THIS.
WHATEVER THE TOPS HAVE RECORDED,I HAVE IT...AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY...I GUARD IT WITH MY LIFE.
WHEN I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY SON,ALL WE EVER LISTENED TO WAS MOTOWN,ESPECIALLY THE TOPS.
I DO BELIEVE THAT BABIES IN UTERO CAN HEAR.WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 13 YRS.OLD,HE WAS A HUGE TOPS FAN.
THIS KID PLAYED THEIR MUSIC EVERY CHANCE HE HAD.
WHEN HE WAS 15 WE TOOK HIM TO A TOPS CONCERT AND HE HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING DUKE AND HAVING SOME PICTURES TAKEN WITH HIM.DUKE WAS VERY SURPRISED THAT SOMEONE HIS AGE WAS A HUGE FAN.
WHEN IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO LEAVE FOR COLLEGE HE THOUGHT HE WOULD BE TAKING MY COLLECTION WITH HIM!!!NEEDLESS TO SAY ....IT CAUSED SOME TENSION IN THIS HOUSE! MOM AND DAD WON!!!!!
|By Nish (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:02 am:|
Carl - that was so cute! (And so true.)
Lucy, your story is great.
I still have my ticket from Saturday, October 10, 1998, my first time ever seeing the Four Tops at the A.J. Palumbo Center. I was 18, in my first semester of college, and somehow, just getting around to seeing the Tops. That'll always be a good memory for me, because it was such a simple treat at a time when I was entering the "grown up" world and anxious about my future and wishing I could be 5 again so things could be nice and simple. Well, the concert, and the smile it brought to my face reminded me that no matter how complicated things get, I can always retreat to the simplicity of a well-done Four Tops song and relax for about three minutes.
On a side note, one of the greatest lines Levi ever gave meaning to is "I now sit quietly in a room, hoping you'll return real soon... where did you go?" It's such a sad lyric, and he sings it so poignantly and the harmonies are so wistful. If there's a dignified way to grieve and plead for "the girl (or boy) that got away," this song is the closest thing to it. And if there are compelling reasons to thank God for hearing, I should think Levi, Duke, Obie, and Lawrence would be good candidates.
Continued well wishes to Mr. Stubbs and the continued health of all the remaining Four Tops. And what the heck, everyone here, for that matter! :-)
|By JoeR (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 10:10 am:|
DEBORAH - Forgive me for imposing but I'd like for you to pass this on to your dad...
The day I proposed to my wife, I took her out on her birthday at this Italian restaurant in NYC. I said "sweetie I have to go to the bathroom for a minute". Instead, I got on the piano nearby and sang 'I Believe In You And Me'. Of course you know the last line of the song is its title; I finished it with "Daphne will you marry meeeeee?"
We'll be married 5 years next April.
JoeR - http://mypages.netopia.com/channels
|By MEL&THEN SOME (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:11 pm:|
I must just mention 2 of the most fantastic
ever made and sung records by the 4 Tops with your father in absolutly(as usual)stunning form.
Its All In The Game.
and the brilliant unissued track titled
Sweeter As The Days Go By.
I hope each day gets sweeter as they go by for your father,yourself and your family.
Mr.Stubbs,get well Sir,
a big,big,fan from the u.k.
|By KevGo (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 01:32 pm:|
Note To Vickie:
How did you get the Hy Lit show footage? I would love to have a copy for my archives.
Again, best wishes to Levi & the family. We look forward to seeing him on stage with the Tops hopefully soon.
|By Vickie (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, November 21, 2002 - 03:13 pm:|
It was close to impossible to get..
email me, I'll give you the details.
|By PhilH (220.127.116.11) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 03:08 am:|
A new poster here from Australia. I'm so glad to hear that your Dad is getting better. I have special memories of a couple of Tops performances: firstly, from the 1984 T'N'T tour of Australia, when Levi sang "I Believe In You And Me' to a pin-drop silent audience, and secondly from the show at Wolftrap in Virginia two years ago, when your Dad was noticeably unwell, but put his all into the opener "MacArthur Park", and later a slowed-down version of "Ask The Lonely" that was simply magical! Here's hoping that he makes a full recovery and will be thrilling us all again soon.
|By Ralph (18.104.22.168) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 09:38 am:|
Thanks for posting and welcome to the forum.
|By Deborah (22.214.171.124) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 10:36 am:|
It is a pleasure to hear from you all the way
We are all hoping and praying that my Dad makes
a full recovery and by the way, he is doing
My sisters and brothers, along with myself, do not
want him to go back out on the road until we are
sure that he has made a full recovery.
We would love to have him back"out there" because
we know how much he loves performing, but we
would much rather have him at home until he is
stable enough to endure everything that goes
with the performance.
However....in the meantime...keep on supporting
"The Tops" !!!
God Bless You and Thank You,
|By Ken Sands (126.96.36.199) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 01:42 pm:|
Please let your dad know that I am praying for him
and your family, I wish you all happiness...I was the engineer and album mixer for Still Waters and other Four Tops tunes.God Bless you.
Ken Sands firstname.lastname@example.org
|By SisDetroit (188.8.131.52) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 01:47 pm:|
STILL WATERS.......OMG. The Four Tops had so many songs that made you stand still and just be absorbed by his voice. Totally captured, and Stil Waters was one of those.
|By KevGo (184.108.40.206) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 04:05 pm:|
Great to hear from you. Your work on the Still Waters LP is priceless. Welcome to Soulful Detroit.
|By RALPH (220.127.116.11) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 07:38 pm:|
OUT OF RESPECT FOR LEVI I'M STARTING A SECOND THREAD. THIS ONE IS OVERLY LONG ( THAT DOESN'T SURPRSE ME ) SO LETS MOVE TO....LEVI STUBBS 2......THIS THREAD IS CLOSED *********CLOSED*****************CLOSED************************************
|By R&B (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:31 pm:|
MY PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU LEVI,GET WELL AND COME ON BACK.LET ME SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIMELESS PERFORMANCES AND WONDERFUL SONGS.YOU ARE ONE OF THE TRUE LEGENGS AND GREAT VOICES OF NOT ONLY SOUL BUT MUSIC PERIOD.GOD BLESS YOU,YOUR FAN R&B.
|By jack (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:35 pm:|
Hi Deborah my name is jack ashford of the funk brothers . I just won.t to say that 3or4 years ago Norman Whitfield flew me to La to over dub percussion on a album of the four tops and It was a great album I don't know when Norman plans to do anything with it , but the guy's sounded great. Jack.ps. tell Levi hello for me. We go back a long way.
|By DEBORAH (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:34 am:|
Thank you for your prayers and your expressions
of gratitude to my father.
We are hoping and praying that he will be able
to return to the stage if it is God's will.
Please continue to keep him in your prayers and I
will be sure to tell him you are thinking of him.
|By DEBORAH (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 11:40 am:|
Hello Mr. Ashford,
I will tell my Dad you said hello....and by the
way he loved the movie !! It brought back a lot
of good memories for him.
I am glad to see the "Funk Brothers" getting the
recognition they truly deserve!!!
God Bless You
|By TomJ (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 02:10 pm:|
It's great to hear that you dad is improving. My family experienced dealing with my dad's stroke a few years ago. We had him for 11 years after his stroke and felt for him every moment during that time. Your dad will always cherish you "being there" for him.
As Red Skelton would always say, "May God Bless."
Tom J. Milwaukee
|By Chancellor of Soul (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 03:46 pm:|
I'm too so happy to hear about your dad's
recovery as well. I've been a fan of your father
since I was knee high. There a cut on the Four
Tops 67' LP " Reach Out", that I've been running
everyday entitled, " What Else Is There To Do
Is Sit Here And Think About You". I love that
song !!! Please give you dad my regards and
tell him that my prayers are with him everyday.
Maybe God Bless You And Your Family,
(Chancellor of Soul)
|By Deke (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 10:47 am:|
Shame on me! I got so caught up in my own thread, I didn't pay attention to what was happening on rest the forum. Your Dad is #1. He is the best, I mean there is no other in the whole world like him, for me. We came so close, on the music we made together. However, it all means nothing, Mr. L is not well. Sorry I didn't get here earlier to send my prayers and best wishes. Please let him know I am thinking of him and hope he comes back as strong as ever.
|By DSB (22.214.171.124) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 01:41 pm:|
Thank you very much for your kind thoughts about
my Dad. Please do not apologize for not knowing
about what has been going on with my father.
There have been a lot of people praying for him
and even though you did not know, I am sure you
care enough about him to send your prayers and
best wishes for him from now on !!!
Actually he is doing a lot better....so we'll
just see what happens, and hopefully, if it is
God's will he will be able to perform again.
|By Deke (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 02:51 pm:|
BTW, please let your Dad know, if he needs copies of any of the stuff we did together, I'll forward it to him or you, in whatever format he wants. OK? You can email me a mailing address at: email@example.com
|By shawn1 (188.8.131.52) on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 07:08 pm:|
Hi Deborah I am Martha Reeves Fan CLub manager and I would like to send my WELL WISHED to your Father I think he's one of the best singers on the planet !I told Martha I can deciede who sing "Oh I've Been Bless" better she are he and she agreed !Again Send your Father my love and well wishes for his return to the stage !Shawn
|By LUCY (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 09:01 pm:|
Tell "My Beloved" Levi,that I continue to pray for him and......I LOVE THE MAN.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
|By DEBORAH (220.127.116.11) on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 11:40 am:|
Thank you and please continue to keep my Dad and our family in your prayers. By the way...he is
doing quite well.
|By Lucy (18.104.22.168) on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 01:19 pm:|
WHAT WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!
GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
|By stephanie (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 09:03 am:|
I know you have been busy. Please convey to Levi that we miss him not only for his talent but as a person!! I hear nothing but wonderful things abot this man. We know he has a great voice but he is a wonderful person as well and I will continue to pray for him and his healing.
|By Deborah (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:46 am:|
Thank you so much. Yes, I have been busy, but
never to busy to acknowledge people like yourself
and the rest of the forum.
Everyone has been so prayerful and wonderful
regarding my Dad, and believe me, my family truly
One of the things I said when I first came onto
the forum was that we (his children) always looked
at him as just being "Daddy", and now that we
are all grown and have our own children, we can
appreciate him and the other "Tops", for being
the legends that they are.
Thank you again Stephanie, and please continue
to keep my Dad in your prayers.
|By RTA5225 (188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 10:45 pm:|
Thanks so much for being so nice about keeping us updated on your father's progress. I know you are probably very busy and so we are VERY appreciative of the time you can give to the Forum to keep us updated. I've been a 4 Tops fan and a Levi Stubbs fan for several decades. I will keep him in my prayers. I feel so grateful that God put him in our lives and now he's put YOU in our lives as a connection to the Stubbs family. Know that we LOVE Levi, are deeply concerned about him and will continue to pray for his health, well being and happiness. Take care,
|By DEBORAH (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 11:57 am:|
Your words are very kind. I am EVER so grateful
that I have been able to come onto the forum and
keep you guys updated on my Dad's progress.
I have been able to talk to so many of his fans
as well as his peers, and that has been wonderful
and encouraging for me in terms of dealing with
his recent illness and recovery.
It has also been very uplifting for my Dad, who
is a very humble person. It does his heart good
to know that people care as much as they do.
Thank you for your continued prayers and support.
God Bless You,
|By BrianS-Louisiana (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 12:31 am:|
My prayers and blessings go out to your father for reaching into so many people's souls and my thanks and gratitude go to you for keeping everyone in tune with how your father is and his appreciation of his fans.
Soon I will begin writing my thesis for my master's degree. The topic is the versatility and broad acceptance of Motown music and how it crossed all barriers: race, age, sex, you name it. What has put the subject so heavily on my heart has been the friendship and closeness of the Four Tops, and how you're father was quoted as saying about his parents, that they lived and died in Detroit and he plans on staying where his roots are as well. The closeness he potrays in his family life and everlasting friendship with the Tops inspired me. Not only has your father's music inspired me to spread the word about it and how it has affected society as a whole over the years, but it has touched my soul and heart. I thank you for that and many other memories. I am 23 and do plan to cherish the music and man FOUR as long as I have a voice to tell people about him, Duke, Lawrence and Obie.
Hope to interview Duke or Obie or SOMEBODY maybe the end of next year. Do you know how I could get in contact with a manager or so since I don't know who theirs is? Thanks for everything..in my prayers.
|By DEBORAH (18.104.22.168) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:13 am:|
Hello everyone !!!!
Just an update for all of you that have been
praying for my Dad (Levi). He went out on the
road yesterday with the Tops and Tempts!!!
He didn't perform the entire show, but he did
come out and do "I Can't Help Myself" with the
"Tops". We know that God answers prayers !!
Please continue to pray that he will get stronger
and be able to get back to performing !!!
|By Ralph (22.214.171.124) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:17 am:|
Thank you for this wonderful news. Levi is coming back! Tell him not to over-do it.
|By MEL&THEN SOME (126.96.36.199) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:21 am:|
Hey Deborah(and family)
great,great news indeed.
Thanks for keeping us all informed about your father.
My best wishes to you and all your family
and especially to the great Mr.Levi Stubb's.
|By SisDetroit (188.8.131.52) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:23 am:|
Deborah - I am so happy to hear that. I know that was really good for him. Great song for him to sing: "I Can't Help Myself." :o) I know the crowd went wild. God bless Mr. Levi.
|By DEBORAH (184.108.40.206) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 12:04 pm:|
Yes it was really good for him. As a matter of
fact, he wanted to continue on to the next venue
but we decided that might be a bit much since this
is his first time back out.
I talked to him last night and he was so happy
to see all the band members and everyone. My
youngest sister Kelly and some other family members accompanied him so he had a lot of family
support as well as the support of both groups!!
I heard the crowd went crazy and he received a
standing ovation for several minutes. He was
very touched by all of this and I'm sure it was
quite emotional for him to say the least.
|By Davie Gordon (220.127.116.11) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:17 pm:|
Fantastic news - I'm so pleased for your dad !
As long as he takes things a bit at a time the fans will be happy - we want him to get better
and to have a long and healthy retirement - he's
given us so much already.
Here's a little bit of info which might interest
you. February 1968 - "Four Tops Greatest Hits"
became the first album by a black group to
top the UK album charts - happy anniversary !
|By Ralph (18.104.22.168) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:22 pm:|
Good bit of info Davie. Thanks.
|By SisDetroit (22.214.171.124) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:24 pm:|
"At A Glance"
Four Tops Greatest Hits - 1967
1. Baby I Need Your Loving (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:45
2. It's the Same Old Song (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:45
3. Reach Out (I'll Be There) (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:59
4. Ask the Lonely (Hunter/Stevenson) - 2:59
5. Standing in the Shadows of Love (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:35
6. Loving You Is Sweeter Than Ever (Hunter/Wonder) - 2:45
7. I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie, Honey... (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:44
8. Without the One You Love (Life's Not... (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:54
9. 7-Rooms of Gloom (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:35
10. Something About You (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:45
11. Bernadette (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 3:00
12. Shake Me, Wake Me (When It's Over) (Dozier/Holland/Holland) - 2:32
|By SisDetroit (126.96.36.199) on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 02:26 pm:|
Davie - I see why the LP topped the Charts.
|By TD (188.8.131.52) on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 11:21 pm:|
Hopefully we now can hope and pray for the 50th reunion tour.
Wouldn't that be the greatest.
Thanks for all of the information that you continue to share with your Dad's fans.
There is no one in music like Mr. Stubbs.
|By John Lester (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 01:24 am:|
The UK album that topped the UK charts had 16 tracks - 4 more than the US edition - we also had a picture of the group rather than the generic Motown album cover entitled "GREATEST HITS". I also recall that our album was issued at the same time as the Supremes "Greatest Hits" and both albums topped the UK album charts but the Tops got there first!
What super news about Levi...I hope he comes back to see us again.
|By LUCY (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 06:44 pm:|
I am speechless to say the least.THANK YOU,GOD.
TELL HIM TO GO REAL SLOW.
I'LL BET THERE WASN'T A DRY EYE IN THE HOUSE.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US KNOW ABOUT THIS WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS,AND AS ALWAYS...TELL YOUR DAD THAT I LOVE HIM.
|By SisDetroit (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 06:53 pm:|
Thank you John Lester Four more tracks huh? I am jealous. :o) Just kidding, I love my LP's.
|By John Barry Sheffield (22.214.171.124) on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 04:03 am:|
Monday Breakfast 24th February 2003 England
That is such GOOD NEWS about your Father LEVI, I have only just read it about his return to the stage, a big large smile appeared on my face and tears rolled down my face!
LEVI is always here in my Prayers in England, LEVI and The TOPS have been such an inspiration to my life, the first single I bought at 12 was THE FOUR TOPS, the first ever concert I went to in Liverpool, was THE FOUR TOPS at 14, told School I had a dentist appointment and Mom I was playing Rugby, I had never been to Liverpool on my own before, a 25 mile train Journey, this was while all my pals where into Punk & Rock Music here in the UK. I then never missed one TOPS TOUR!
At 18 I became a Radio DJ and it was my joy to play FOUR TOPS old songs and THE NEW RELEASES, LEVI and The Guys came into The Radio Station many times, and we promoted their Concerts at THE LIVERPOOL EMPIRE.
Sadly Lawrence died the same month as I lost my Mom and only Brother to leave me with no Family, LEVI I have alwayy looked on as a FATHER I feel such a warmth from Him, when he took sick I missed HIM, but I continued to Pray for LEVI and always will do. I have every album released on CD in my collection and quite a few signed including the Box Set (John Lester in London - Thanks John, gave me one of he's CD NOW to complete my collection)
I am on Long Term sickness at present but THE FOUR TOPS still meam THE WORLD to me, I made it last year to the UK Tour in Manchester, but sadly it was not the same without my Dad LEVI on stage, but I knew and know His Health comes first.
Now I have quite a collection of Video footage of LEVI and The Four Tops, "ASK THE LONELY" is still my favourite and I cry so much hearing that the soulful voice of LEVI, watching him on screen just brings tears to my eyes, but that is for all THE ENJOYMENT - INSPRIATION and ENCORAGE,ENT he has given me now for 35 Years!
DEBORAH thanks for all the information I have only just found the Soulful Detrout Forum, in the last hour I have read all your posts this morning, please give Your FATHER my LOVE, I still long to get a nice photo signed to JOHN by my Father LEVI to get framed and hang on my wall.
What a community FOUR TOPS FANS are, the have also been a strength to me but Your Father LEVI is SPECIAL and always will be, GOD BLESS HIM, I know he will return !!! with strength!
John Barry Sheffield
|By medusa9e (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 08:24 pm:|
Deb, This is Lillian again, I hope your Dad is doing much better. I was just listening to him and the Tops singing "I got a feeling", and i love the song he sang with Aretha, "I want to make it up to you". If you will, tell him his voice is still needed, in other words:
Aint no voice like the one he's got.
|By MargieYa (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 03:42 pm:|
It's been said that if one man with a rifle in Dallas can change the world, think about what one good man can do. Your father and Obie and Duke and Lawrence made and are still making this world a better place. In these uncertains times, your father stands as a beacon of light. After all the sadness and illness, to have the strength of will to want to go back to touring. And you and your family are so supportive. My prayers for your father will continue, and I now know they are being answered. You are blessed.
|By CHUCK C GRAY (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, March 12, 2003 - 09:10 pm:|
DEAR DEBORAH, HI MY NAME IS CLEVESTER CHUCK GRAY, TO YOU THAT DON'T MEAN A THING, BUT IF YOU CAME TO THE CITY INWHICH I LIVE, OXNARD CALIF, AND ASKED ONES WHO KNOW ME OR ABOUT ME, IF YOU ASKED THEM WHO WAS THE FIFTH "TOPS" IN MY CITY, THEN MY NAME MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING TO YOU. (LAUGH) "I" YES "I" FELL IN LOVE WITH A VOICE, IN LAS VEGAS, AT AGE "16", AND HAVE BEEN IN LOVE WITH IT EVER SINCE. PLEASE! PLEASE! DON'T GET ME WRONG, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT UNLIKE SAM COOKE, UNLIKE JESSIE BELVIN, UNLIKE THE MANY, MANY OTHER VOICES, AND SINGERS,WE ARE TALKING ABOUT "THE GREATEST VOICE" EVER HEARD, OR WILL EVER BE HEARD, "THE FOUR TOPS"
|By stephanie (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, March 13, 2003 - 07:54 pm:|
I did not know Levi had gone back on stage!!! This is wonderful I know Lucy is having a fit right now and Stranger is rolling over on the floor!!!! Levi should take his time but hey Im willing to wait he is worth it.