|By Spookey (220.127.116.11) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:15 am:|
The two songs with the same title but 2 differant artists and two differant songs.
SoulfulDetroit, which one was your favorite?
Jealous Kinda Fella by Garland Green
or Jealous by Little Royal?
|By E (18.104.22.168) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:17 am:|
Teddy peendergras was the drummer with Little Royal for a hot minute in the late sixties.
|By E (22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:18 am:|
Dang its PENDERGRASS
I should know that!
|By CORNBREAD (126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 06:37 am:|
I love both songs. I had the pleasure of meeting Little Royal years ago in Fayetteville, NC. He is a colourful dresser.
Is Garland Green still with us ?
|By mike s (188.8.131.52) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 06:40 am:|
Gotta be Garland. Such a great song, especially for driving along on a sunny day...(problem is we don't get that many sunny days here in uk!!).
Jo Armstead also produced several other wonderful tracks on GG around that time, including Ain't that good enough - one of my alltime favourites.
|By Eva (184.108.40.206) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 08:18 am:|
re: Little Royal....I found Little Royal's album in an oldies shop some time ago, and I bought it because I kinda dug the cover-he does look like a flamboyant dresser!;-) Another goodie on that album is "I'm Glad To Do It", which was also done by C.L. Blast on Stax (available on the first Stax box, I think). I would also like to second Mike on "Ain't That Good Enough". It seems that Green's early songs have been discussed here before-someone wrote that they were mostly recorded in Detroit...to me his recordings seem to have that "cool" Chicago aura-but then I'm a real newcomer when it comes to both Detroit and Chicago soul, compared to some of the mavens here, so I may be totally off base!;-)
|By ~medusa~ (220.127.116.11) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 09:17 am:|
Garland Green was Helluva on that song...and who was the Lady answering thephone in the song? It sounded like Denise LaSalle to me.
|By CHANCELLOR OF SOUL (18.104.22.168) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 09:49 am:|
I love both versions !!! Jealous Kind Of Fella
was extremely popular here in NY and WWRL (Super
16) we heard it all the time ! My sister was
crazy about that song as well. The 1972 version
by Little Royal is a killer !!! I also love a cut
they did called, " Razor Blade".
(Chancellor of Soul)
|By KevGo (22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 12:58 pm:|
The lady answering the phone in Garland Green's "Jealous Kind of Fella" was none other than Joshie Armstead, who co-wrote the song with Garland Green, Rudolph Browner and Maurice Dollison a/k/a Cash McCall.
Joshie also sang background vocals & co-produced the song with her then-husband the late Mel Collins.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Nosey (126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:03 pm:|
Jealous by Little Royal (never heard of him) never got played in Philly. Why is it that some songs don't get played in certain cities espcially those that are close by? Kevgo someone, please s'plain. I'm in Philly, btw.
|By KevGo (188.8.131.52) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:21 pm:|
It depends on the radio station and the reach an artist has with that particular city.
If an artist tours though a city consistantly it's easier for him/her to have their records played on the radio. For example, the Midnight Movers Unltd's "Follow The Wind" received strong airplay on WWRL here in NYC but not in many other cities mainly because the "Movers" were a NYC-based group at the time (their leader, the late George "Paco" Patterson, was the in-house arranger for the Isley Brothers at the time).
If I'm not mistaken, Little Royal did tour through Philly quite a bit because Teddy Pendergrass met him at a local venue. Maybe Bobby Eli can shed some light on this.
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By RD (184.108.40.206) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:37 pm:|
Little Royal never got played in Cleveland either. This is because his camp didn't spend any money to promote his records here and he didn't have a promo man working for him or his label that was able to get airplay here.
Most soul recordings in the sixties and seventies were local and regionally played, promoted and distributed with the exception of the big hits. The reason for this is simply money. Regardless of what some of you might here from others record companies had to pay (in some way, rather cash, booze, dope or free DJ shows)the principals at WJMO and WABQ in Cleveland to get on the air. And the practice was probably the same in other cities.
|By KevGo (220.127.116.11) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:40 pm:|
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By RD (18.104.22.168) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:59 pm:|
Addendum: many record companies only promoted locally or regionally because they knew the distributors for the particular areas. Some distributors were notorious for ordering/requesting records and then not paying the record company. Some would pay some companies (the big boys) and not the small companies. Some, when they couldn't get the records they requested, bootlegged the record so they wouldn't lose the sales but never told or paid the record company(s).
Joe Evans' Carnival Records (the Manhattans, Lee Williams & the Cymbals, etc.) never had national distribution. One big reason, other than their great sound, Motown became so successful is because they figured out (distribution, promotion, etc.), not to mention how to get paid, and other companies didn't.
|By Juicefree20 (22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 05:10 pm:|
Gotta go with Garland Green.
|By Eva (126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 05:21 pm:|
I just listened to the two songs back to back, and the odd thing is that the chorus to Little Royal's self-penned tune is exactly the same as the chorus on Green's ..."I'm a jealous kinda fella", both the words and the melody. Of course, Jealous is 'rapping' about a lot other things in between that don't appear on the Garland Green hit, but the resemblance in some parts is uncanny.
I think I prefer Garland Green as well.
|By Spookey (188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 01:48 am:|
I like Garland Green's Jealous Kinda Fella, is that the Jewels singing back-up for him?
But, I have to pick Jealous by Little Royal as my favorite!! He's just super bad!!
|By CORNBREAD (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 10:29 pm:|
I note that for Garland's "Jealous ..." writing was credited to J.Armstead-G.Green-R.Browner-M.Dollison.
A Giant Enterprises Inc. production under supervision of Joe(sic)Armstead and Mike Terry.
Engineer: Stu Walder
|By Mark Speck (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:37 pm:|
For me, Garland wins by default, as I've never heard the Little Royal tune.
|By SPOOKEY (18.104.22.168) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:10 am:|
Mark, if you never heard Little Royal, I don't know what to say. It's almost like saying I never ever heard of DONNIE ELBERT. Son, where is your S.O.U.L. ??
|By Juicefree20 (22.214.171.124) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 05:48 pm:|
Donnie Elbert was such an underrated artist. I remember the story about how he received no credit for co-writing a huge hit by one of his singing luminaries, who was also from Buffalo, New York.
|By Mark Speck (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 05:08 pm:|
I merely never heard the Little Royal tune, Spookey, but from the way folks here are talking about it, now I want to hear it!
My S.O.U.L. is in the 45 box, alpha'ed under "S" (that would be the classic double-sider "This Time Around"/"On Top of the World" on Musicor, guys from right here in Cleveland!).
|By Spookey (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 01:14 pm:|
Mark, you've got to get Jealous by Little Royal, you'll treasure it!!
Yes, Donnie was never underrated but adored by his fans. do you guys know just how hard it is just to get a Donnie Elbert CD these days!!
|By Mark Speck (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 06:10 pm:|
OK, I'll track down a copy of the Little Royal!
You mean to tell me that no UK company has issued a Donnie Elbert CD? I would've thought for sure that Westside or some company like that might have done one!
I do know that Charly had an LP out long ago of Donnie's King sides, but try and find it now!!
Looks like we have to start putting bugs in the ears of guys like Ady Croasdell (Ace Records), Clive Richardson (RPM/Shout Records), or whoever else. I think that a Donnie Elbert comp would sell fairly well for a company willing to put one out!
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