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HEY GANG IT'S S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y AND YOU KNOW I WANNA HAVE SOME FUN,SO HERE GOES,NAME SOME GROUPS OR SOLO ARTIST THAT ASSUMED DIFFERENT NAMES TO SING ON ANOTHER ARTIST SONG OR ONE OF THIER OWN[THE TEMPS AS THE PIRATES,MIND OVER MATTER..THE DELLS AS THE PLAYERS,HE'LL BE BACK..THE ADAUTES AS THE SUPREMES..THE COMPOSER,OR AS THE MARVELETTES,MARIONETTE]COME ON OUT AN PLAY,WHATCHA GOT?
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Vibrations= Marathons
Vandellas= Vels
Esau Isaac= Johnny Newbag
Four Seasons= Four Lovers
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Statesman/Dulcets/The Manhattans/Manhattans/The Manhattans.
The Chesterfeilds/Little Anthony & The Imperials
The Mascots/The O'Jays
The Genies/The Jive Five/The Jive 5/The Jyve Fyve/The Jive Five.
The Distants/The Primes/The Temptations
The Primettes/The Supremes/Diana Ross & The Supremes/The Supremes.
The Miracles/Smokey Robinson & The Miracles/The Miracles.
S.S.
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Hi, R & B,
I'm not totally sure if I understand correctly the questio.
Anyway, i knows The Masqueraders appears in the credits as The Raders when are they the composers of the tunes.
Peace!
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R&B;
Now I'm confused...what did you mean?
The Dells as The Players ??? What's that about???
I know the Andante's sang backgrounds on Supremes, Vandellas, etc... records, is that what you were looking for?
S.S.
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The Dells/The 5 Heartbeats/The Dells
S.S.
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YES,S.S.WHEN THE SONG[I'LL BE BACK]WAS RECORDED THE DELLS WERE USED TO SING THE BACKGROUND AND ONLY THE LEAD SINGER OF THE PLAYERS WAS USED,AND YES ALTHOUGH THEY WEREN'T CALLED BY THE GROUPS MAMES THE ADANTES SANG IN THE PLACE OF MARY AND CINDY ON THE LATER RECORDINGS AND ON THE MARVELLETTES LAST SONGS,AND MANNY YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH.
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Hi R&B;
Okay gotcha, thanks for the 411 on the Players. Did The Dells also sing on all the songs in their album? I love the lead singer's voice especially on "I'm So Glad You Waited", what was his name again (my album is in a storage box with the rest)?
Add:
The Dells backing Dinah Washington in the studio.
S.S.
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Hi!
For the Players' He'll Be Back Calvin Carter and Al Smith regarded the members of the band not good enough voices, so they were replaced by the Dells (without Marvin) leaving the Players' lead, Herbert Butler, as the only member of the group to sing on that single. Also on some later Players' tracks Chuck Barksdale attended.
Best regards
Heikki
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Hi Heikki;
Thanks for the 411 on The Players & Herb Butler.
All The Best,
S.S.
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Hi Soul Sister
Robert Prueters books Chicago Soul & Chicago DooWop was excellent info regarding The Dells, The Players & the cross-pollenation between many Chicago groups. The relationships are quite broad & interesting.
Take care & say hi to Jimmy!
Peace
Juice
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Issac Hayes once recorded as Sir Issac & The DooDads. Regarding The Players & The Dells, listen to the sound of I'm So Glad I Waited by The Players. This was their follow up to He'll Be Back & the only voice to accompany Herberts was the bassman of The Dells. The record truly needed the harmonies that were present in He'll Be Back. Johnny Carters falsetto was sorely missed.
Juice
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Hi Juice
,
I have that book (Chicago Soul, that is) in with my other music books in storage boxes but must admit I never read it through.
Thanks for the 411, "I'm So Glad I Waited" is my favorite, then "He'll Be Back", in fact I like most of The Player's tracks on their album.
Jimmy says "Hi" to you too!
S.S.
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The Four Seasons recorded Don't Think Twice, It's Alright as the Wonder Who. Also The Dells were not credited for singing background for Barbara Lewis' Hello Stranger, or on a few of JoAnn Garretts' singles as well. Smokey & Ronnie White recorded "It" as Ron & Bill. And how about Valerie Simpson as Tammi Terrell on The Onion Song & others? Didn't The Cadets record as The Jacks? How about Patti LaBelle & The BlueBelles performing I Sold My Heart To The Junkman as The Starlets? Minnie Riperton recorded as Andrea Davis. Baby Washington recorded both as Jeanette & Justine Washington.The Vibrations recorded as The Jayhawks. The Persuaders recorded Give A Damn as The Internationals. Prince recorded as TAFKAP & as a glyph. Joe Tex, Don Covay, Solomon Burke, Ben E King & Arthur Conley recorded as The Soul Clan. Sonny & Cher recorded as Anthony & Cleo. L Rawls, Teddy P, D D Sharp, The O'Jays, B Paul & A Bell recorded as The Philadelphia International All Stars. Of course, Parliament recorded as Funkadelic. Jesse Belvin & John Watson recorded as The Shields. Harmon Bethea recorded as Maskman & The Agents. Darlene Love sang as everyone.
Juice
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Hey Soul Sister, I'll always love He'll Be Back, Johnny sings his behind off & Herbert had such a great voice. My cousin was in Vietnam & I was 6. My Grandmother used to cry whenever that song came on. It took me years to find that 45 again, didn't find it until the 80s. Of course, it would later come out on CD. I liked I'm So Glad I Waited, but, there seemed to be a big hole there. With only Herbert & the Chuck on the tune, there were too many holes in the song for my taste. It needed those supporting background harmonies & I think that the lack of it hurt their records. Regardless, I have liked The Players from the age of 6 & I always will.
Sis, if you want to see the relationship between so many great groups & singers of the 60s & 70s, Robert Preuters Chicago Soul & Chicago DooWop are the greatest. Chuicago DooWop expanded even further when it came to Herbert Butler & the origins of The Players. I never knew any of this, as back then I was a baby & the music was so regionalized. I was amazed to learn how the different members of groups were intertwined with one another. Great books, simply great!
As always, it's great to see you here. God bless, always
Juice
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Hey Juice;
Thanks Juice, the feeling is mutual.
I also love "Why Did I Lie", their verson of "Since I Don't Have You", and thought they did a good job with "Sunny". I liked the sentimentality of "I'm So Glad I Waited". I understand where your Grandmother was coming from, thats deep, I hope your cousin made it back alright Juice.
Jimmy is here bugging me to come upstairs and get the fights on HBO, Jermaine Taylor is boxing, middleweights are my faves. Gotta run, enjoy your night.
Take Care & Best Always,
S.S. & J.
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Hi Juicefree20!
You really seem to be a Players and Dells fan.
The Dells did uncredited background on many records.
Marvin: "...we made a living doing backgrounds. We were a studio group. We went and did things behind Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry and many others."
Chuck: "There was a time period in Chicago, when the Dells were probably the most sought-after background group..."
"...A lot of these people we did background for, we may not have known personally. We were the background vocal sound everybody was after."
Michael: "Calvin Carter at Vee-Jay had almost made us a studio group..."
They contributed to the sides by Barbara Acklin, Betty Everett, Wade Flemons, Andre Williams, Etta James, the Players etc. - and Joe Murphy:
Michael: "We did 'So Blue Without You' and another song. Joe's dead now. He was a big old vigorous, fun-loving guy. He had a very good voice like the guy with the Spinners, Philippe Wynne. A great singer, but never exposed."
(Soul Express, The Dells Story).
Best regards
Heikki
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SPYDER TURNER-DWIGHT DAVID-THEME SONG FROM "THE LAST DRAGON"
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Eivets Rednow = Stevie Wonder on a late 1960s Gordy label LP.
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BOBBY LESTER & THE MOONLIGHTERS- THE MOONGLOWS
THE PIRATES- TEMPTATIONS
THE DARNELLES- MARVELETTES
TAMMI TERRELL- VALARIE SIMPSON (EASY LP)
THE VELLS- VANDELLAS (WITH ORIGINAL LEAD SINGER)
EIVETS REDNOW-STEVIE WONDER
RITA WRIGHT-SYREETA
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LOE & JOE-LORRI RUDOLPH/JOE CHARLES OF THE SATINTONES
TOM AND JERRY-SIMON AND GARFUNKEL
CEASAR AND CLEO-SUNNY AND CHER
THE QUARRYMEN- THE BEATLES
THE DOMINGOS-THE SPINNERS
THE VOICE MATERS- THE ORIGINALS
LAMONT ANTHONY-LAMONT DOZIER
THE 5 MASTERS-SATINTONES
LITTLE DAVID BUSH-DAVID(DAVIS)RUFFIN
DAVID ENGLISH-MELVIN FRANKLIN
OTIS MILES-OTIS WILLIAMS
THE MAJESTICS-THE MONITORS
FOUR AIMS-FOUR TOPS
CHARLES HATCHER-EDWIN STARR
BLINKY-SAUNDRA WILLIAMS
THE BELLJEANS-VANDELLAS
THE DOWNBEATS-THE ELGINS (MINUS SAUNDRA EDWARDS)
THE SUPREMES-THE ROMANTICS (MINUS RUBY)
STEVLAND MORRIS JUDKINS-STEVIE WONDER
HARVEY-HARVEY FUQUA
JAMESETTA HAWKINS-ETTA JAMES
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Python Lee Jackson - Rod Stewart.(In a broken dream).
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Hello again, soulful friends!
Some others (i think) examples:
-Mr. Emotion / Bundino Sigalucci / Bunny O'Sigler = Bunny Sigler
-TB & BT = Thom Bell & Bobby Taylor
-Dee Dee Sharp / Dee Dee Sharp Gamble
-Airto / Airto Moreira
-Airto Moreira & Flora Purim / Fourth World
-Eveling "Champagne" King / Eveling King
-Moments / Ray, Goodman & Brown
-Jazz crusaders / Crusaders
Peace & Soul Food!
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How did I forget Stevie Wonder recorded an LP as Eivets Rednow in the '60s?
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I know one. 50's Chicago dowop group The Eldorados that recorded "When Lights Are Low" for Vee Jay (Records), we're replaced by The Cool Gents except for the Eldorados bassist.
Don
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DAVID JONES-DAVID BOWIE
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Didn't Ron Dunbar record as Ronnie Love ???
If so, I guess Ronnie Dunbar wasn't considered a hip name for a singer in the 60's (although it sounds OK to me).
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MFSB= The Family, The Salsoul Orchestra, Assembled Multitude, Monster Orchestra,
The Ritchie Family)orch) Gamble- Huff Orchestra, Montana,Eli's Second Coming
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Hey Bobby E, didn't you forget The Electrified Indian, or something like that?
Juice
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Paul McCartney - Bernard Webb
George Harrison - L'Angelo Misterioso
Tony Hicks/Allan Clarke/Graham Nash - L. Ransford
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Geraldine Jones = Geraldine Hunt ?
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Aurra = Deja
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Roquel Billy Davis a/k/a Tyran Carlo (his songwriting name).
Ahmet Ertegun a/k/a A. Nugetre (his songwriting name as well!)
Robert Gordy (Berry's brother) a/k/a Bob Kayli (minor hit with "Everybody Was There")
Bobby Darin a/k/a The Rinky Dinks (had an "almost hit" with "Early In The Morning" on Brunswick AND Atco - a long story!)
Ron Dante & Toni Wine a/k/a the Archies a/k/a the Cuff Links (of "Tracy" fame)
Barry Manilow a/k/a Featherbed (first single on Bell - "Amy"; also recorded an early bubblegum version of "Could It Be Magic")
Hudson Brothers a/k/a Everyday Hudson (minor hit with "Laugh, Funny Funny")
Rupert Holmes a/k/a Street People ("Jennifer Tompkins" was a small hit on Musicor)
Kevin Goins - KevGo
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Juice,
The Electric Indian, were the Madara and White studio cats who were:
Jim Helmer-drums
Tom Sellers-bass
Tim Moore-guitar
Bobby Eli-gittar
Daryl Hall-piano-
Robert Cupit- percussion
Vince Montana-Vibes
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Bobby!
Where are you today! I left messages on your cell phone and home number!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
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Im on witness protection with paulie3$hoes, capice???#$^&*(
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Chicago Transit Authority - Chicago
Survivors - Beachboys
Average White band - AWB
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ROCKWELL- KENNEDY GORDY
BOB KAYLI- ROBERT GORDY
AUTRY DEWALT- JR. WALKER
FREDRICK LONG- SHORTY LONG
AGATHA NATALIE WESTON- KIM WESTON
CHERLYN SARKESIAN- CHER
RICHARD VALENZUELA- RITCHIE VALENS
J.P RICHARDSON- THE BIG BOPPER
ROBERT DALLAS- BOBBY LESTER (MOONGLOWS)
ALEX WALTON- PETE GRAVES (MOONGLOWS)
THE 5 CHIMES/MADADORS- MIRACLES
THE CRAZY SOUNDS- MOONGLOWS
THOMASINA MONTGOMERY- TAMMI TERRELL
LYNDA TUCKER- LYNDA LAURENCE
PATRICIA HOLT- PATTI LABELLE
THE CRAZY SOUNDS- MOONGLOWS
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Bill Parsons--Bobby Bare
Would The American Breed--Rufus count?
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1. The Turnpikes + The Tokays = Tavares
2. Barbara Jean & Lyrics/ Barbara Jean is
Barbara Mason.
3. The Emaers = The Seminoles
4. The Pirates = The Temptations
5. Frances Nero = Freda Payne
6. The Vows = The Younghearts
7. From Chicago; The Vows + The Majors + Fuzzy
& The Majors = The Major IV
8. Earl Van Dyke & The Soul Brothers + San
Remo Golden Strings = The Funk Brothers
9. The Aprils + Fern & the Aprils + The
Nattu'relles = Sister Love
10. The Mar-Kays + The Van dells + Steve Crooper
and _________ = Booker T. & The MG's
11. The Parliaments + Funkadelic + Parliament =
George Clinton & The P-Funk Allstars
12. The Ohio Untouchables = The Ohio Players
13. The Hutchington Sunbeam = The Emotions
14. The Moments = Ray, Goodman & Brown
15. The Parliaments + Funkadelics + Parliament =
Original P
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Tammy Montgomery (a.k.a.) Tammi Terrell
The Primettes (a.k.a.) The Supremes
The Primes (a.k.a.) The Temptations
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Sweet Thimg by Willie Walker recorded for Willie Mitchell's Hi Records is aka Sam Moore of Sam & Dave.
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To think, there are still at least a half-dozen that no one mentioned:
VERONICA = RONNIE SPECTOR ("Why Won't They Let Us Fall In Love?")
THE ICE MAN = JERRY BUTLER
MARTHA LaVALLE = MARTHA REEVES (early solo, pre-MRV)
BONNIE & THE TREASURES = RONNIE SPECTOR & THE RONETTES
DARLENE LOVE & THE BLOSSOMS = THE CRYSTALS on two hit songs ("He's A Rebel" and "He's Sure The Boy I Love")
BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS = BOBBY SHEEN and DARLENE LOVE & THE BLOSSOMS ("Zip-a-Dee Doo-Dah", "Why Do Lovers Break Each Other's Hearts?", "Not Too Young To Get Married", "Bells Of St. Mary's" and others)
Honorable mention:
Was gonna mention but someone pulled a Mary and "U beat to the punch (this time)"....
THE MARVELETTES as THE DARNELLS singing "Too Hurt To Cry, Too Much In Love To Say Goodbye" (1963)
Note: "Eivets Rednow" is STEVIE WONDER spelled backwards!
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Shame on y'all and "Stand!"
SYLVESTER STEWART = SLY STONE..... as in SLY & THE FAMILY STONE!
P.S. SLY just turned the big "6-Oh" last month on March 15th -- supremely right in between MARI (Mar. 6) and DIANA (Mar. 26), ironically, all the same age.
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Oh, No! No U didn't! U didn't forget the "Shotgun" man!? C'mon. This is supposed to be the Soulful DETROIT forum. Mr. JUNIOR is quite Detroit, y'all. U need some "Home Cookin'".
AUTRY DeWALT = JUNIOR WALKER as in..... Motown's JUNIOR WALKER & THE ALL STARS
Note: After all, he did use Autry DeWalt for all his songwritng credits, didn't he?
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Like the El Capris once sang-"Oh, But She Did", .... oh, but they did: Tri Phi listed Autrey Dewalt earlier on this thread.
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Right U are, Robb the K, there was a duplication with "Gene Autry". No matter. Let's see if any of these household names biggies were duped.
Another dozen of "A.K.A.s" from Mr. STONEWALL:
> FRANCES GUMM == JUDY GARLAND
> OL' BLUE EYES == FRANK SINATRA
> IKE & TINA == IKE TURNER & TINA TURNER
> ANTHONY GOURDINE == LITTLE ANTHONY
> CHUCK & MAXENE == CHUCK JACKSON & MAXENE BROWN
> REGINALD DWIGHT == ELTON JOHN
> OTIS & CARLA == OTIS REDDING & CARLA THOMAS
> GEORGE O'DOWD == BOY GEORGE
> MARVIN & TAMMI == MARVIN GAYE & TAMMI TERRELL
> GEORGIOS PANAYVOTOU == GEORGE MICHAEL
> SCHERRIE, MARY & SUSAYE == THE SUPREMES
> GRAND FUNK RAILROAD == GRAND FUNK
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H-E-L-L-O!!!!!
U didn't think that I, Mr. STONEWALL, would 4-get the "Original Queen of Rock 'n' Roll 'n' Soul"...
didya? Good, Golly, Miss Molly!
> RICHARD WAYNE PENNIMAN == LITTLE RICHARD
"Can we talk?", Lucille!
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Hey anyone know what's Rupaul's other name?
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Yes, Corny, how could STONEWALL leave her "OUT"?
> RuPAUL CHARLES == RuPAUL
"RuPaul" is actually his/her first name.
Ironically, she lives on Charles Street in G.V. in Manhattan, NY.
P.S. Check out MARTHA REEVES pic I posted today on "M-45" t.v. show file.
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The Hudson Brothers were first known as the New Yorkers (after the popular Chrysler car, not the city).
Junior Lewis=C.L. Blast
George Jones='Thumper' Jones (his rockabilly name)
Jerry Lee Lewis=The Hawk
Hank Williams Sr.=Luke the Drifter
Hank Williams Jr.=Bocephus
Best,
Mark
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Don,-are you SURE that Barbara Jean (of The Lyrics) was Barbara Mason? I thought they were a local Detroit group with a connection to Johnnie Mae Matthews? Barbara Mason was already successful in Philadelphia by 1967. Why would she record for a local Detroit label which had no national distribution? The Lyrics were a local Detroit group. Why would they bring in a successful singer, and not exploit her fame?
Also, I find it hard to believe that Frances Nero was Freda Payne. It was quoted here on SD, that Frances Nero only had the one record on a Motown label, because she won a talent contest (no contract). Freda Payne had already been singing for several years (ABC) before Nero's record was recorded and released. Also, their voices sound different to me. Where did you get your information for these two assertions?
I find your guess that Geraldine Jones might be Geraldine Hunt, intriguing. I'll have to play their songs back-to-back, to hear if their voices seem to be the same person.
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Responses to enquiries by Robb the K ---
BARBARA MASON was only & always Barbara Mason - I had some one ask her grown son, who is a musician in her band.
P.S. If U don't have her c.d. already, "The Best Of Barbara Mason", from "Yes, I'm Ready" to "Another Man", get it. Barbara as soulful, sweet and sexy as ever, has re-recorded all of her songs for this great collection.
FREDA PAYNE only sung under her name FREDA PAYNE. As Robb stated, she was FREDA PAYNE at ABC Records. I have some of her singles from ABC. From there she went directly to Invictus in 1970. Much as Motown wanted her, Freda never sang for Motown.
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FYI, our own talent scout/record producer/music historian Weldon McDougal is the one who actually brought BARBARA MASON into the recording studio in 1965 in Philadelphia for Arctic Records. Ask him!
Bi the way, B.M. recorded her international hit, "Yes, I'm Ready", in just two takes.
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