View Full Version : What qualified as a Motown Revue ?
08-09-2010, 09:51 PM
What qualified as a Motor Town Revue back in the day ??
........ this certainly did .......
08-09-2010, 09:54 PM
....... and this must have ......
08-09-2010, 09:56 PM
... and this also seems to qualify .....
08-09-2010, 09:58 PM
.... ..... but did this early 1963 package .... there was no Motown backing band ...
The 4 Motown acts had just completed a 2 month Motown Revue tour together
... (see ad lower down) ......... guess Berry worked them hard back then.
08-09-2010, 10:01 PM
... ...... the above must have qualified ......
08-09-2010, 10:03 PM
.... this one was only 50% Motown .....
08-09-2010, 10:05 PM
... and this one was under 50% Motown acts .......
08-09-2010, 10:08 PM
... .... Gladys didn't qualify back then .....
.... so this package also had a small Motown content ....
08-09-2010, 10:19 PM
.... this 1967 package was only 30% Motown acts .....
... but the Motown Big Band was providing back-up ...
.. so did this still qualify as a Motor Town Revue ? ..
The Monitors can't have been undertaking nationwide
tours much after this package played its last show.
08-09-2010, 10:29 PM
Interesting to see The Supremes getting billing for such early releases.Usually they were left off advertising at this point..
08-09-2010, 10:34 PM
Great posts, Jsmith. The ticket costs are a standout.
08-10-2010, 04:16 AM
.... this must have been Jimmy Ruffin's 1st tour as a Motown artist (October 1963) .....
....... and the package was an 'official' MOTORTOWN REVUE
08-10-2010, 04:32 AM
these clippings are great so much of this time isnt documented - there was so many shows lost in time,Even better a few of them have dates which is a great jigsaw piece for motown historians.
08-10-2010, 04:54 AM
This show had under 50% Motown acts and yet had a Motown band backing the package
........ PLUS ........ the show's MC was (the pre-Stax) Al Bell !!!!
08-10-2010, 05:01 AM
I just noticed that the 1st 2 ads posted on this thread are for shows in 1963 that followed on from each other ...
but the package lost Mary Wells & gained the Miracles between leaving DC and arriving in Baltimore the next day !
08-10-2010, 05:10 AM
Same package a month down the line. They had lost Marv Johnson but regained Mary Wells
......... mid June 63 ..... plus Stevie Wonder was now part of the line-up ..........
I guess the orders were coming from back in Detroit as to who should leave & join the touring ensemble.
08-10-2010, 05:12 AM
This is why I love Motown so much -there is always something new to learn,The thread a few months ago where we traced The supremes first UK promotional tour was great.I hope that thread wasnt lost in this new makeover so much information is put on this site that you cant find anywhere else -This site itself is an important musical document.
08-10-2010, 05:19 AM
1963 again ... and as the Motortown Revue left town .....
Mary Wells arrived heading a package of non-Motown acts
08-10-2010, 05:49 AM
Wow.Flip has been around.I bet he could write a good book...
08-10-2010, 06:08 AM
..... a 1967 show in Baltimore ........
.... less than 50% Motown related
08-10-2010, 06:14 AM
No 'official' Motown acts on this bill as David Ruffin had left the Temptations .........
and had teamed up with his Fellas (his 'Boys' in the ad who were really the Cavaliers)
......... however he would return to the Motown fold weeks later as a solo artist.
08-10-2010, 06:24 AM
........ only the Marvelettes represented Motown on this bill ......
mind you, the Detroit Emeralds might just have been from 'back home'
08-10-2010, 07:18 AM
As Martha & the V's headed out of town in 1966 .....
.... other Motown artists were just arriving ...
08-10-2010, 07:21 AM
........ meanwhile, on the other side of town ......
Stevie & the Marvelettes were setting up shop ...
08-10-2010, 07:43 AM
In Mary Wilson's book 'Dreamgirl' she makes mention of 2 tours that the Supremes were on with the Velvelettes .....
the 1st was on the road from mid October till Xmas 1962. It featured the Contours, Temptations, Marvelettes, Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye, Mary Wells, Sammy Ward, Miracles, Supremes, Velvelettes + Chocker Campbell & his band (according to Mary).
(with such a long list of artists I guess only 6 or 7 were on each date & acts left + joined as required).
The 2nd tour she makes mention of was in 1964, being together from the end of May to beginning of September.
This time the tour was a Dick Clark Caravan of Stars package and featured pop & soul stars including Major Lance, the Shirelles, Crystals, Dixie Cups, Dee Dee Sharpe, Supremes & Velvelettes (though she also makes mention of Diana getting into a fight with Brenda Holloway on this tour).
..... ANYWAY ......... I always thought that the Velvelettes did very few shows away from Michigan (especially in term time due to school / college commitments)
.... MY QUESTION IS ....... was Mary wrong about the Velvelettes being on these tours OR did the group just play selected dates close to home ??
08-10-2010, 08:16 AM
ANSWERING MY OWN QUESTIONS AGAIN ......... DOOOHH .......
Here's the Fall 1962 Motown Revue package which hit Washington at the end of October .....
9 Motown acts + Chocker's band .... BUT no Velvelettes (guess they were back home).
08-10-2010, 11:34 AM
Just 2 (then) Motown acts on this 1962 package .........
08-10-2010, 11:36 AM
Guess Marvin had gone home (to DC) for these Xmas thru New Year shows ....
08-10-2010, 11:40 AM
Anyone here got any similar show ads for the Apollo, the Fox or the Regal (Chicago) ??
08-10-2010, 03:32 PM
Two Motown artists plus Choker's band (yet again) on this Oct 64 package ....
08-10-2010, 03:35 PM
The Supremes on their return to Detroit following the 1964 Dick Clark Caravan of Stars shows ......
08-10-2010, 03:46 PM
The Marvelettes must have been out on tour nonstop from 1962 to 1965 ........
08-10-2010, 05:08 PM
Two Motown acts don't appear too much on these package tours ....
... the Spinners are the 1st of these, though they were featured here ....
I wonder why they didn't seem to get booked onto such tours too often ??
08-10-2010, 05:12 PM
The other Motown act that don't feature much were Jnr Walker & the All Stars .......
From the mid 60's onwards, Jnr & his group were constant visitors to the UK
(touring 2 / 3 times every year) and I guess they also played numerous live
shows across the U.S.
...... so why didn't they get included on these package tour bills ??
08-11-2010, 04:37 AM
As soon as I post that Jnr Walker never seemed to be booked onto those
Chitlin circuit theatre tour packages ... I find this ad for a DC show in 1965 ...
08-12-2010, 02:55 PM
........ a rare 'distant' gig (DC) for the Velvelettes ........
I wonder how many shows on this 1964 tour they played ?
08-12-2010, 03:00 PM
These clippings are CLASSIC! I love looking at old show ads from newspapers as well as posters. The Motortown Revue
was usually billed as such and perhaps any show could be titled that way if the majority of the acts are from Motown.
Again, these ads are wonderful!
08-12-2010, 03:08 PM
Any ads for Motortown Revue shows from other parts of the US available ??
....... LA; Cleveland; Boston; Miami, Atlanta; St Louis or elsewhere ??
Did a Motortown Revue package play any Las Vegas venues ??
08-12-2010, 04:52 PM
Guess this must have been amongst the first shows that Betty Kelly
(ex Velvelette) played as a Vandella ........
08-12-2010, 04:56 PM
The above shows took place Saturday 10th OCTOBER 1964 at this Baltimore Theatre ....
It had started out as the Stanley Theatre but changed ownership in 1959 after
which its name was changed to the Stanton.
The last show was held at the venue on April 17 1965 (just 6 months later), with
the building being demolished almost immediately afterwards.
08-12-2010, 05:16 PM
I remember those ads for the Motortown Revue when they use to play the Toledo Sports Arena in the sixties.
08-12-2010, 05:34 PM
Bl**dy hell John. You've been busy. WOW. They are amazing. A friend of Motown David has a lot of the Apollo promo ads. You need to get to see them if you can
I am now going try to compete with Nomis' wonderful stories at EMI....you ready.......this is a Bertha story from the Apollo. You have to understand that Bertha is very sweet and doesn't get into "naughtiness", so when she told me this story I was gobsmacked.
The Velveletttes were performing at the Apollo and Flip Wilson was the compere. The girls had done their act and as they walked off stage, Flip announced to the crowd...I would sure love to put my needle in their haystack!!!!
It was very hard for me to keep a straight face in front of Bertha! LOL That man is so NAUGHTY and I love him!!
08-12-2010, 05:38 PM
1. The Velvelettes didn't start recording until 1963.
2. Betty Kelly wasn't an official Vandella until September 1964 after her birthday. Annette was still perfoming up until them but less and less frequently. Betty was also doing Velvelette gigs.
08-12-2010, 07:19 PM
John, the show was held on 10th October 64 !!! (when was Betty's birthday in September ?)
The tickets for the show can't have been selling too well as the ad was placed again a few days later .........
Mind you at $1.25 for just the Impressions, Gladys Knight & Pips, Martha & Vandellas + a couple of others
........... I doubt any of us here would have bothered paying to see the show !!!!!!!!!
....... Looks like Freddie Scott & Carl Fisher had been dropped from the bill
... defo wouldn't have paid the $1.25 to watch from the balcony seats then !!!
08-12-2010, 07:38 PM
You're now asking me to remember birthdays.....now that is asking TOO much! LOL She was 20 and I thought I was good remembering just that!
It'll be PJ or Reese who will shoot with the answer......2-1 joint favourites....unless Roger (2nd mention *blows raspberry*) gets off his backside and posts!.
08-12-2010, 07:45 PM
Mind you, this 'M&V show' commenced over a week earlier (Friday 2 October 64) .........
08-12-2010, 08:12 PM
Is Choker Cambell any relation to Choker Campbell or your Chocker!
08-12-2010, 08:17 PM
Any connection ?
08-12-2010, 09:06 PM
JOHN .............. YEP, that looks quite like gud ol' Chocker ...............
So called, coz he could chock a wonky amp perfectly with just a wedge of cheese !!!
08-13-2010, 04:28 AM
A 1965 Baltimore club date for Marvin, Martha & the V's ........
08-13-2010, 08:53 AM
I noiticed in reply #18 there is a ad mentioning a Jackie Kennedy along with song title "Miss personality". Who is this Jackie Kennedy?
08-15-2010, 07:13 AM
Don't know who the Jackie Kennedy was on that show (back in 1963) ......
... obviously not the famous one as this one was (or sang) "MISS Personality".
BTW, if we had been around DC back in 1961 & hadn't fancied a live show ....
..... we could always have gone to see one of the popular movies ..........
08-15-2010, 07:58 AM
Down in Baltimore in 61, it was time to catch a Motortown Revue ........
This tour had Henry Lumpkin amongst its number.
Henry was promoting his upcoming Motown 45 (his 2nd Motown single)
HENRY LUMPKIN – “WHAT IS A MAN” …… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXQrV0BMFc
.... he would record for 6 years in all (only 2 of these being with Motown) .......
08-16-2010, 04:45 AM
As the MotorTown Revue were playing the Baltimore Royal, James Brown was across town ....
08-16-2010, 04:52 AM
Just a couple of weeks earlier, JB had been playing the Royal itself.
He was headlining a bigger bill that included Tri-Phi's the Spinners ........
I wonder what 45 you got if you were one of the first 50 to buy a ticket for these shows ?
Seems strange that they needed to have a 'giveaway' to help sell tickets.
08-16-2010, 05:09 AM
I don't know what had happened over the 3 day period since the above ad was placed ....
but Sugar Pie DeSanto was now gone & Lee Dorsey was on the bill ........
08-16-2010, 05:13 AM
Just 2 weeks later, when the package hit DC, Sugar Pie was back with them ...
(though by now she had become 2 people according to the ad writer !!)
08-16-2010, 10:53 AM
Carolyn Crawford made it onto this package tour (to promote her 1st Motown 45) ...
08-16-2010, 07:09 PM
Only one Motown group on this bill ......
... BUT 3 'future' Motown people also on there
08-17-2010, 01:35 PM
The charlie hampton band was the house band of the howard for many years and backed everybody[motown included]now of course there were musicians who belonged with the tour who sat in but unless you were james brown then the charlie hampton band was behind you!
08-17-2010, 01:59 PM
From the ads, on many occasions Motown artists fetched their own band (Popcorn or Choker's guys) plus Otis Redding also had his own band with him at times.
Guess Chas Hampton & his boys got the week off then.
08-18-2010, 03:02 AM
... another big touring revue show at the Baltimore Civic Centre (in 1963) ....
....... this one featured Marvin + Martha & Vandellas ...........
Would the Poets have been the "You Blew A Good Thing" outfit
OR a different group associated with the James Brown entourage
(maybe even the guys that became Main Ingredient) ??
08-18-2010, 06:58 PM
Who would have thought we'd be interested in these some 40 years later!
08-18-2010, 07:53 PM
That's why this is the best music forum on the internet,no place else will there even be a discussion or the knowledge of this classic music that we have here...there is always something to learn at soulful detroit...i luuuuuuuv this place!!!
08-19-2010, 02:41 AM
.... we're still interested in old ads coz they tell us info we wouldn't otherwise know.
From this ad here I get to know that .........
Jackie Wilson was still 'top of the tree' in summer 64 (though why he was 'Boss Line' I know not)
Even though Sam & Dave had just signed with Atlantic & were about to be assigned to work at Stax (their 1st big national hit release would come just over a year later), they were 'bottom of the bill' here.
B B King toured with his 'studio' backing band and they played behind the other acts on this show.
The Pips were already fabulous & George was already Gorgeous !!
... and the Velvelettes were almost certainly back in Michigan preparing to go back to their lessons.
08-19-2010, 05:43 AM
Here's another ad that following detective work led to confirmation that pleased me .........
The Re-Echoes were a Baltimore group that featured guest lead singers.
For the above 1964 show, Brenda Jones was filling that spot .....
She had recorded for a local label the year before
(maybe even with the Re-Echoes backing her up .... she had also been their featured vocalist in 1963).
RU-JAC #08: BRENDA JONES -- Let's Go Back To School / Can't You See (1963).
I came across another club ad from 1964 for a Re-Echoes show for which they had a different lead singer ......
I had a strong idea who Kenny was ..... so I asked Kenny Hamber if the lead singer on this show was indeed him & he confirmed that it was.
08-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Forwarded along a copy of that Royal Theatre show ad (btm ad for Royal posted above) to Valerie Simpson.
She wrote: "Just to see this is amazing....No we don't remember much except there was a finale where we all were suppose to go on stage under flickering lights and Nick refused..."
08-19-2010, 12:26 PM
I always thought that the guys in the Knight Brothers worked live as the Knight Brothers for the majority of the time .....
and that when they expanded to become the Carltons they were mainly a 'studio bound' group ......
.......... but this ad and the one posted as entry # 30 / 46 lay that theory to rest .........
08-19-2010, 12:27 PM
Seeing these classic posters are amazing.i remember seeing so many future greats at the start of thier careers opening for the big acts...the chi-lites...the soul children...the moments...the five stairsteps[without cubie]so much fun and just to think we thought that-$2.00 was pretty steep,hehehehehe!!
08-19-2010, 07:01 PM
The Marvelettes must have been on the road for most of 1963 & 1964 judging by many of these ads.
Chuck Jackson & Baby Washington were on loads of the shows as well
..... but they were quite local, the Motown outfit weren't.
08-19-2010, 09:43 PM
It is amazing to me, as I think back over the years, that we got the chance to see some of the greatest acts in history, for only $1.00 or $1.50. Little did we know that we were witnessing musical history. Thanks for the post. This brings back such sweet, sweet memories.
08-20-2010, 08:41 AM
.... its hard to tell who was top & btm of the bill here .....
.... but it was a great show line-up (no Motowners though)
.... & the prices had gone up a bit by the end of 1968.
08-21-2010, 05:29 AM
Mary Wells seemed to be on the road a lot from 1961 to 1963 .....
.... here she was in DC along with fellow Detroiter Nathaniel Mayer ....
08-24-2010, 05:24 AM
They had already enjoyed a number of national chart hits, so there was no excuse for the ad writer to get their name wrong ........
.... The Miracles (along with the fellow Detroiters; the Falcons) at the Howard in summer 1962 ...
08-25-2010, 04:01 AM
At least they got the spellling of the group's name correct when an ad for the show was placed a 2nd time ....
08-25-2010, 01:38 PM
The Supremes were playing a show in Baltimore in Jan 63 (see ad on post #4) ...
...... but by the time they hit DC just over a week after their 'residency' at the Royal ended ....
.... they were supporting Jackie Wilson on a different revue package altogether.
I wonder when the 1st package started & this one ended (as they would have been away from Deroit for that whole period) ?
08-25-2010, 01:50 PM
And ahead of those 2 revue packages, the Supremes had been on tour as part of a Motor Town Revue from October 1962 till Xmas (along with the Contours, Marvelettes, Mary Wells, Marv Johnson, Sammy Ward, Miracles, Vandellas & Choker Campbell + his band) -- see post #25 /26.
So in all, they must have been away from Detroit (touring) from mid October 62 into February 63.
.................. guess they didn't get much recording work done over that period.
08-25-2010, 01:56 PM
These are GREAT! Thanks so much for posting these.
08-25-2010, 06:49 PM
This qualifies.......because it was! LOL! The Motortown Revue at the Toledo Sports Arena!:
08-25-2010, 07:43 PM
The MotorTown Revue show was on the road a lot back in 1962 & 1963 ......
........... 1962 ......
Oct 26 1962: The First Motor Town Revue took to the road for six weeks. The Revue was headlined by Mary Wells & featured Martha and the Vandellas, the Marvelettes, the Contours, Marvin Gaye, Little Stevie Wonder, the Supremes the Temptations and Sammy Ward.
The opening stop was at the Howard Theater in Washington, DC (see post #26).
Nov 2 1962: The Motor Town Revue began five weeks of one nighters.
Nov 18 1962: The Motor Town Revue appeared at the Capitol Arena in Washington, DC.
Dec 1 1962: The Motor Town Revue played the Ellis Auditorium in Memphis.
Dec 7 1962: The first Motor Town Revue started ten days at the Apollo Theater, NY.
Dec 17 1962: The Motor Town Revue made the final stop of its tour in Pittsburgh.
Dec 31 1962 (New Year's Eve): Marvin Gaye, Martha and the Vandellas, the Contours, Mary Wells, the Miracles, the Supremes and Little Stevie Wonder appeared at the Michigan State Fair.
........... 1963 ......
May 3rd - 9th ... Howard Theatre, DC
May 10th - 16th ... Royal Theatre, Baltimore
June 4th (week engagement?) ... Apollo Theatre, NY
June 16th ... ... Carr's Beach, Annapolis
October 4th - 10th ... Royal Theatre, Baltimore
October 11th - 17th ... Howard Theatre, DC
November 5th ... ... Toledo Sports Arena
Anyone fill in the gaps with their other dates (Apollo, Fox, Regal, etc) ?
08-25-2010, 07:46 PM
They could have walked or at least "hitch hiked" down to Toledo, hehehehehehe......
08-26-2010, 03:40 AM
Talking about "Hitch Hiking" .........
Marvin Gaye was doing it on this DC show in early 63 ......
08-26-2010, 04:47 AM
.... you don't have copies of any 60's ads / posters for other Toledo area shows that featured Motown acts do you ??
08-26-2010, 07:08 AM
MORE related bits on the MotorTown Revue shows ......
.... OFF THE NET ....... "My name is Charles J. Dorkins. I am a film maker, operating as C.J. Dorkins Productions, headquartered in New York City. I had earned some fame as a skilled film technician. I was good. I had been invited to be the first black member of the Screen (Film) Directors Guild, headquartered in Hollywood. I declined. I was working professionally in all phases of movie production.
On June 1, 1963, I signed a deal to film the Motown Apollo show, playing at the Apollo. On June 4, 1963, I filmed the Motown show on the stage of the Apollo. For many years I had been seeking to film the fabulous live shows which appeared. My goal was to repeat the Apollo shows at theaters throughout the U.S. I had a letter of permission (from Bobby Schiffman, manager of the Apollo - January 13, 1953) to film the shows. I could not find the funding. If I could have filmed even one of those spectacular shows, I would be wealthy today. Then, the touring Motown show appeared at the Apollo, for a week's engagement. Motown probably discovered me through Bobby Schiffman. With a hurried contract and a small cash contribution, I swung into action. I had days (less than a week) to accomplish the feat. I set up the sound recording with my buddy, Lenny Lencina. To surely capture the photography, I hired the top guys of Local 644, the cameraman's union. I placed president of the union on the master-shot camera (His camera was slightly tilted). I placed a very experienced guy down front to capture close-ups of the performers (He spent half of the show focusing his camera). I placed the third camera in the upper box seats. I assigned this camera to the only black member of the crew. (We were filming in Harlem.) He was the least experienced member of the crew. But surprisingly he did the best job. The filming was not fabulous. With my concept of a concert film, I did not wish to show the audience. I was ready to roll! Except: at the last moment Local 52 (the soundmen's union) made me replace my friend Lenny with a black soundman of their choice. I edited the shooting into a one hour concert film. I made a deal with a distributor.”
Motortown Revue: 40th Anniversary Collection included the various artists Motown releases ...........
Motortown Revue, Vol. 1 Recorded Live at the Apollo (1963),
Motortown Revue Vol. 2 (recorded at Detroit's Fox Theatre in 1964),
Motortown Revue in Paris (recorded at the Olympia Theatre in 1965),
Motortown Revue Live! (recorded at the Fox Theatre in 1969).
What were the actual dates of the last 3 shows above ??
08-26-2010, 09:11 AM
Over 1000 views for this thread now ......
.... .... guess its a popular one !!!!!
08-26-2010, 02:11 PM
I am not sure. I will look around though and let ya know. Thanks
08-26-2010, 02:56 PM
Some of these shows are just amazing. What I'd give for a time machine!
Wow-that show with Linda Jones-HOT!!
08-27-2010, 03:38 AM
Between the 10th & 11th October, the Miracles + Martha & Vandellas replaced Stevie Wonder as top of the bill ....
..... guess that was because Stevie was needed back in the Detroit studios ....
his 45 had been hot on the charts -- but after 6 weeks at #1, "Heatwave" had replaced it in mid September
... but by the time the show hit Toledo a month after Baltimore, all three acts were on the bill .....
08-27-2010, 01:43 PM
The Miracles had also topped the bill at the Howard (see above post & #12) back in late February 63 ...
...... but they had been the only Motown act on that earlier show ............
08-28-2010, 10:29 AM
......... History tells us that ............
Oct 26 1962: The First Motor Town Revue took to the road ...... BUT ....
Why wasn't this October 1961 tour classed as a Motor Town Review ???
After all, all the acts were Motown artists (including the backing band) .....
... ..... ..... so why hasn't this since been credited as the 1st Motor Town Revue ??
.... OBVIOUSLY the 1st one to actually be labeled a MTR was the 1962 tour as that was when the 'name' was concocted, but looked at retrospectively this revue also had to qualify.
08-28-2010, 10:37 AM
A Baltimore club date for the Temptations in 1967 ...
By all accounts the promoter was thought to be mad to commit so much money to book the top soul group of the time, but he seems to have done OK judging by this report ...
He must have done better than David Ruffin, going by this 2nd newspaper piece ....
08-28-2010, 10:46 AM
The Temptations were due to play Atlantic City's famed Steel Pier in early July 67 (see above)
... AND ... if you are curious as to what Atlantic City's Steel Pier venue looked like ....
....... go to post #55 of the My Motown Pictures thread (Motown Forum).
Annette has debunked the story that her husband wanted her to leave the group--Martha wanted her out.
08-28-2010, 04:57 PM
High everybody. Wow! Great posters! My first theater engagement was at the famous Howard Theater, on an all-Motown(except me) show. Temptations headlined, Eddie, David, Melvin, Paul and Otis ("I'm losing you" was their current hit) with that amazing five headed microphone. Jimmy Ruffin's "What Becomes of the Broken Hearted" was a hit), Contours with Dennis Edwards as lead singer, The fabulous Velvelettes, and me, replacing Brenda Holloway who was sick. My manager, George Treadwell, who handled the Drifters got me on the show. I was so starstruck, to be around all those Motown stars! Sure wish I had a poster of that show.
Never forget how sweet and kind Tammi Terrell and Dennis Edwards were to me. She'd hang out in my dressing room and chat with me and my mom. Pictures do not do her justice! And Dennis was kind enough to take us to lunch. Sweet memories.
08-28-2010, 05:40 PM
HEY, SUSAYE, will this do ???
08-28-2010, 05:46 PM
So who was in the Velvelettes for the above show (Cal + ???).
... and either Susaye or John L can answer the question.
08-28-2010, 06:28 PM
I was at that show it was the last[motown review]show that i saw,and of course the temps tore it up!!
08-28-2010, 06:50 PM
MOTORTOWN REVUE 1962
Oct 26 Washington DC - Howard Theater (Friday)
Nov 2 Boston - Franklin Theater (Friday)
Nov 3 New Haven,CT - New Haven Arena
Nov 4 Buffalo, NY - Memorial Auditorium
Nov 5 Raleigh, NC - Raleigh City Auditorium
Nov 6 Charleston, SC - County Hall
Nov 7 Augusta, GA - Country Club
Nov 8 Savannah, GA - Bamboo Ranch Club
Nov 9 Birmingham, AL - National Guard Armoury (Friday)
Nov 10 Columbus, GA - City Auditorium
Nov 11 Atlanta, GA - Magnolia Ballroom
Nov 12 Mobile, AL - Fort Whiting Auditorium
Nov 13 New Orleans, LA - State Fair Grounds
Nov 14 Jackson, MS - College Park Auditorium
Nov 15 Spartanburg, SC - Memorial Auditorium
Nov 16 Durham, NC - City Armoury (Fri)
Nov 17 Columbia, SC - Township Auditorium
Nov 18 Washington, DC - Capitol Arena
Nov 19 DAY OFF
Nov 20 Greenville, SC - Civic Auditorium
Nov 21 Tampa, FL - Palladium
Bradenton, FL - The Palms
Nov 22 Jacksonville, FL - The Armoury
Nov 23 Macon, GA - Auditorium (Fri)
Nov 24 Daytona Beach, FL - National Guard Armoury
Nov 25 Miami, FL - Harlem Square
Nov 26 Orlando, FL - skating rink
Nov 27 Tallahassee, FL - Field House
Nov 28 Cheraw, SC
Nov 29 Charlotte, NC - Long High School
Nov 30 Louisville, KY - New Park Center (Fri)
Dec 1 Memphis, TN - Memorial Auditorium
Dec 2 Nashville, TN - City Auditorium
Dec 3 Pensacola, FL - Fairground Coliseum
Dec 4 [ DAY OFF ]
Dec 5 Richmond, VA - Mosque Auditorium
Dec 6 [ DAY OFF ]
Dec 7 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 8 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 9 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 10 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 11 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 12 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 13 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 14 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 15 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 16 New York - Apollo Theater
Dec 17 Pittsburgh, PA
08-29-2010, 04:28 AM
Thanks for that Davie.
I'm suprised to see that the 1962 tour didn't play a Cleveland venue or anywhere on the west coast.
08-29-2010, 08:04 AM
Yes, it surprised me too. Other noticeable omissions are Chicago, Philadelphia, Baltimore and St. Louis. - no Texan dates either.
The Nov 28 appearance in Cheraw, SC is another puzzler, I had to look up my trusty Rand McNally atlas to see where it was as I'd never heard of the town
which had a population of 5524 in 2000. My home town, which I've always thought of as small, has a population nearly four times that - and we have an Apollo in
Blantyre (it's a pub)
08-29-2010, 02:30 PM
Oh my goodness, are you serious?! I can't believe you had that. Thanks so much for sharing! Made me laugh; Nov. 15, 1966. Five months out of high school. ;o) And Willie Tyler and Lester! What a classy guy. He was so great! I'm scraping my poor Sunday morning brain about the Velvelettes. Trying to see their cute faces, but I can't remember for sure. But the Tempts wore those white suits, and killed all the ladies! By the way Dennis Edwards was tearing it up with the Contours; a fact missed by No One! I was positive later that those very performances were what made the Tempts select him later for the group.
08-29-2010, 03:06 PM
.... why was Tammi Terrell at that show (she wasn't performing).
Was she there with David Ruffin ??
BTW, if you want a decent quality jpeg of that Howard bill ad, drop me an e-mail to email@example.com
.......... and I'll send it along to you. JOHN; UK
08-29-2010, 03:29 PM
Yes, John, she was with David. She spent a lot of time with me and my mom. She did a lot of waiting around, like ladies do when waiting for their famous boyfriends. LOL! She gave me a lot of advice, helped me with my hair and kept me giggling. I'll never forget her kindness to me. She was such a fun, talented and gracious lady. I was the only non-Motown act, so I was an outsider. I was George Treadwell's last act before he passed; he was a very well connected manager, which I suppose is why I was on this roster. The first night, I came on just before the Temptations, which in retrospect was quite something. I would love to hear any stories arrr&bee, about your remembrances of that show!
08-30-2010, 04:12 AM
About 6 months after that mid November 1966 show at the Howard, Tammi Terrell would be back in Philly where she would have to enter hospital for a number of extensive brain operations .........
(see Ebony article (P.95) .... ..........
I guess she was accompanying David Ruffin on that package tour up until around December 1966; so her 'problems' must have developed over that time period.
08-31-2010, 04:23 AM
As its 'BACK TO SCHOOL' for all the kids in England over the next week, thought I'd post this show ad from almost 63 years ago (after all it featured 1 Motown act + 1 'soon to be' Motown act & Reffa) ..........
08-31-2010, 04:45 AM
Bottom of the bill on the above show were Baltimore 'blue-eyed' soul group And The Echoes .........
By this time, the outfit had recruited a black lead singer and they secured a record deal locally ......
..... BUT what I'd really like to establish is ............
if they had a connection with .........
08-31-2010, 04:50 AM
.... another local 'blue-eyed' soul group in 1967 --- Tommy Vann & the Professionals ...
..... see act supporting Fifth Dimension ............
Earlier Tommy Vann had led the group Tommy Vann And The Echoes .........
... were the 1967 group "And The Echoes' the guys that had previously been Tommy Vann's group ??
08-31-2010, 05:00 AM
Tommy Vann And The Echoes 45 ...........
MOTORTOWN REVUE 1962
While googling I just found this old thread on Curtis Woodson's book : http://www.soulfuldetroit.com/archives/2/12535.html?1097487256
I wonder if this fantastic book is still available ?
08-31-2010, 02:51 PM
Check the old SDF archives....there's lots about it. It was hard to get at the time
John, I got it when it was available, signed by Mr Curtis Woodson.
08-31-2010, 03:56 PM
So do you get any more facts on the tour from the book (in addition to what must be many great photos) ??
08-31-2010, 08:45 PM
...... A Motown show in New York (1965) ...........
... with thanks to John & his contact.
09-01-2010, 04:45 AM
..... Moving on to 1966 & back down to Baltimore ....
By now Gladys & the Pips were also Motown artists,
..... so that made 3 in all from the bill of 10 main acts.
(mind you "Just Walk In My Shoes" doesn't even get a mention !)
.... Wilson Pickett was just dropping off #1 in the charts ... whilst ...
the 4 Tops & Eddie Floyd were heading upwards to take that #1 spot
J J Jackson's track was heading for the Top 10 of the chart
(though not long afterwards he would head off across to the UK)
but Lorraine Ellison's deep soul anthem would stall at #11.
Arthur Conley would hit with "Sweet Soul Music" about 6 months later
.... (Reffa keeping him from the #1 position on the chart) ........
ALL IN ALL THOUGH, I guess I'd have paid my $2.50 to see them.
So do you get any more facts on the tour from the book (in addition to what must be many great photos) ??
JS, I reread the book yesterday, and here are a few words from Curtis Woodson :
"It has been published in both print and internet media that the Temptations and Stevie Wonder left on the trip withe troup. That is not correct."
"The trailway bus we were given for the tour was terrible. The doors didn't close properly and it didn't have a bathroom."
"The Contours were, like me, in their early 20's and were having a lot of fun. They weren't overly concerned about the amount ofmoney they were "not" making, they were just interested in having fun and chasing and being chased by all the women who followed them. "
Marv Johnson was like a "ghost" during the few weeks of the tour. I never saw him at rehearsals, during lunch or dinner brakes, or at our hotel and since he travelled in his private car, I never saw him on the road.Bill Murry would say "ladies and gentlemen it's my pleasure to introduce "Marvelous" Marv Johnson, he would appear on stage and sing a few of his hits and disappear. Maybe because he was already an establishee star he didn't feel he should be too close to the rest of the troop."
"Being new to the music scene, the Supremes didn't get the kind of reactios generated by the Marvelettes and Diana Ross didn't like it.It didn't take long for her to start calling back to Detroit to receive some attention and solace from the Hitsville management.
At the end of one of Marvelettes'performanc, the audience wa cheering for the Marvelettes to return for an encore. THe road manager sent the Supremes out on stage and the audience booed...demanding the return of the Marvelettes.
09-01-2010, 05:28 AM
Thanks for that Phil.
Both Mary Wilson and Smokey mention details on the 1962 tour in their books also.
09-01-2010, 05:52 AM
Mary lists most of the guys who were in Choker's orchestra plus she says there were 45 people on the bus (including roadies & assistants), with 3 cars & 2 station wagons making up the entire convoy. Cheap hotels, sleepless nights on the road, irregular & bad meals, tour romances, problems down south, segregated venues, etc. Bullets flew at the Birmingham show and other confrontations were a regular happening with rednecks tring to provoke fights. The Contours station wagon (with Eddie McFarland & Beans Bowles in as well) was involved in a crash on the way to Miami (Eddie was driving, fell asleep at the wheel & was killed in the accident. Beans was in a coma).
Smokey mentions that he had a fever whilst playing the Howard in DC (at the end of October). He struggled on for a couple of days whilst making daily visits to the local hospital. When the tour moved on, Smokey was left behind and so headed back to Detroit to recuperate. Claudette had to stay as Pete was in the army & there had to be at least 3 ‘Miracles’ up on the stage each night. Smokey would call her on a regular basis but it was Berry who told him that when Claudette was singing lead (in his place), the crowd were cheering her on thinking she was ‘Smokey’. On November 11th, Smokey got a call from Mary Wells who was sharing a room with Claudette. Mary told him that Claudette was pregnant & couldn’t cope with the strains of touring. But Claudette was determined to see the tour out and she lasted right up through the week long Apollo gig in mid December.
Sounds like a film should be made, based around the 1962 tour & all the things that befell it !!!
09-01-2010, 06:17 AM
There are more facts on the tour in the 'Where Did Our Love Go' book ..........
.... Beans Bowles was the tour road manager. He was tasked with collecting the fees (up to $15,000 a night), booking & paying all the hotel bills plus gas, food & incidental bills. He also paid the musicians & handed out 'pocket money' to the acts, reported back to Berry plus kept the artists happy & in-line.
When he was hurt in the car crash, he had about $15,000 on him & he had to hand his over (for safe keeping) to a local southern cop. Beans ended up in a Florida hospital and Esther Edwards had to fly down to take over from him.
The tour had been set up by Supersonic Attraction's Henry Wynne and in lots of cities it was a hard sell to get venues to take the whole 'Motown' package instead of just say the Contours, Miracles or Mary Wells (mixing them with other non-Motown artists).
I guess that's why the Motor Town Revue 1962 didn't play a show in some major centres, whilst some shows that did take place were in 'backwoods' towns.
09-01-2010, 11:02 AM
I love that Apollo poster you feature on #114. What a line up. Were all shows at the Apollo of this quality? I should have been there.....
09-01-2010, 03:26 PM
...... Stevie Wonder in New York in 1966........
09-01-2010, 03:28 PM
...... and Stevie in Baltimore in 1967 .....
Here is a picture of a page of Curtis Woodson's book, he wrote "Annette Beard of the "original" Vandellas told me that this is the only photograph she has ever seen of the Vandellas on stage in performance with Marvin".
In the book Marvin is much more visible -as you can see I'm not a pro ! :)
picture from Curtis Woodson.
09-02-2010, 03:43 AM
With "I Guess I'll Always Love You" to plug, the Isley Brothers top a fine bill at the Apollo in July 1966 ...
Jimmy Ruffin was still way down on the bill, but with "Brokenhearted" about to go big that would soon change.
09-02-2010, 11:53 AM
Not only were Motown acts doing live shows locally ...............
but they were also appearing on local TV station 'specials' .....
09-02-2010, 02:39 PM
The above Tempts's special was actually syndicated by Screen-Gems, I believe, and had a soundtrack album released as well.
09-03-2010, 02:36 AM
Well it was an opportune time for the TV show to be screened in Baltimore, as the group had a big show coming up in the area ......
09-03-2010, 04:20 AM
Another Motown TV show broadcast in cities such as Baltimore .....
09-03-2010, 03:59 PM
......... back to live show ads ...............
There were no artists signed with Motown on this summer 1966 Apollo show .....
.... but 2 of them would be signed to the label before the end of the decade ...
09-04-2010, 07:11 AM
As the decade ran out, the Tops played a Baltimore gig ....
09-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Same club --- different Motown group --- different decade ......
With a local 'blue-eyed' soul group as support ...
09-05-2010, 03:57 AM
No Motown artists this time, just the mighty mighty Dells ......
.... PLUS locals Tommy Vann & the Professionals again .....
No UK Soul Weekender promoter could afford to offer FREE BEER at one of their events
.... they would surely go bankrupt after the first such offer at a weekender !!!!
09-05-2010, 02:51 PM
Stevie Wonder tops a fine bill early in 1970 ....
09-06-2010, 12:22 PM
............ Back to the Apollo in 1963 .........
Mary Wells joins Chuck Jackson, Barbara Lewis & others on the bill ...
09-07-2010, 03:46 AM
............ Jumping forward to the 70's again ....................
.... a solo singer starting out on his newish career plays a Baltimore club.
09-08-2010, 04:00 AM
.... David was in town in April ........
... & so were the Temptations ......
With Yvonne on the bill as well .....
PLUS ex Motowner Hamilton Bohannon.
09-08-2010, 05:57 AM
On the above & on the ad posted as #133, both 1970 shows at Baltimore Civic Centre, there is a Motown (Sound) Band advertised.
.... Would this be a set of Detroit musicians sent out to back up the likes of the Temptations and Stevie .....
.... OR .... would it be an ensemble put together by the Civic Centre itself to accompany these Motown artists ??
09-09-2010, 05:04 AM
Motown ruled at Baltimore's Club Venus from late May thru late June 1970
09-09-2010, 09:26 AM
........ Also in town in June 1970 ...........
... plus down on Carr's Beach as well ....
09-10-2010, 03:21 AM
It seems that even as early as summer 1970 it was getting harder to make money booking big name acts into ordinary clubs.
....... After this show ...........
Mike Athas (who ran the place) announced that the club was changing its policy. It was to become a dance & dinner club, so would no longer book big name acts. A new bar & 2 dance floors were to be installed to make the club's layout more suitable for its new role.
So the Club's role as a venue where locals could catch all the top Motown & soul outfits was at an end, the Supremes being the last big name (& fee commanding) act to play the club.
09-11-2010, 02:39 PM
Exactly 41 years ago today, you could have caught the F of D at Baltimore's Club Venus ....
AND 2 months after Martha & the Vandellas were on ......
you could have gone to see Smokey & the Miracles at the club .....
.... with the 4 Tops featuring just a couple of weeks later.
The Club Venus certainly liked to book big Motown acts.
09-11-2010, 03:38 PM
Love these old posters. What intrigues me is some of the song titles listed for certain acts. I have seen The Miracles Come Spy With Me listed next to their pic often for example. Was that because it was one of Motowns first ventures into film? And they were trying to promote that instead of the A side? I mean, it was not one of their better sides, and as for the film, I Do remember seeing it once, and it was beyond awful. Some of the other songs listed next to the artists pics often are B sides or lesser known hits. Were these advertised in these cities because they were popular there, and so would attract patrons?..Paulo XXXX
09-12-2010, 05:28 AM
A 1968 show that included Bobby Star & the Versatiles on the bill ....
Bobby Star would go on to join the Intruders in 1970.
09-12-2010, 12:00 PM
..... Jumping on to 1970 ......
a big show at the Civic Centre
.... featuring the 'real' Spinners
(I believe Frankie & the Spinners in the ad above
went on to become Frankie & the Spindles !!!)
Another Detroit attraction on this bill was 100 Proof
& if we go back to include the 50's .... Wilson Pickett
09-13-2010, 06:04 PM
In addition to the Motor Town Revue shows, Capitol Records also sent out a package of their artists on shows --- they called their revue 'the Capitol Records Soul Caravan' (artists who performed on these shows included the Magnificent Men, Ruben Wright, the Thrills, Verdelle Smith, etc.).
....... ALSO .... Atlantic promoted shows by artists signed to their labels
......... here's one such show that took place up in NY .........
09-14-2010, 05:51 AM
Here's a handbill for a Baltimore show that has Kenny Hamber topping the bill ....
but this show wasn't held back in the day ....
.... it takes place in one months time !!!!
09-15-2010, 05:22 AM
I made mention of the 'Capitol Records Soul Caravan' above ....
.... so here it was in action ... at NuJurzayz Palisades Park ...
09-15-2010, 04:11 PM
A few miles north again ...
to the Brooklyn Fox Theatre in 1962 .....
only 1 Motown act on the bill; the Marvelettes ........
09-16-2010, 08:10 AM
We're even further back in time now ...... to summer 1957 & a bill at Baltimore's Royal Theatre ....
.... no Motown acts on the bill (not suprising as Motown didn't exist yet) .....
.... but 2 future Motowners were performing that week (Harvey & Choker) .......
09-17-2010, 02:43 AM
Down on the beach in 1958, Jackie Wilson starred on a show ......
... & Berry Gordy got an acknowledgement via the reference to his song "To Be Loved" .....
09-17-2010, 11:30 AM
....... Still on the beach in 1958 ........
...... Bobby Day tops the bill to sing his current hit "Rockin Robin" ......
whilst he also performed in his 'old guise' as half of Bob & Earl (& the Satellittes) ..
09-17-2010, 07:25 PM
Back to a Baltimore Royal Theatre show and a very decent line-up assembled in Feb 66 .......
... including a lady plugging her 1st Motown release which had just entered the national charts ...
09-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Here's one for any big Shirelles fans out there ....
... & we're back down on the beach for this one ...
1 childs 'before noon' ticket please ... 25c !!, what a rip-off !!!
09-18-2010, 03:46 PM
This is some amazing stuff, thanks JSmith! Love the posters, too. I see you can now buy some of them on Ebay.
I'll have my own ad for Ebay: Wanted: Used time machine, must work properly. Needed to transport me back to the 60's so I can catch Motown Revue shows.
Amazing what $2.50 to $5.00 could buy one back in the day -- five to eight top notch artists. That's just amazing.
09-18-2010, 05:14 PM
RE: The Feb 4 - Feb 10th Baltimore Royal lineup @ jsmith's post:
I can tell y'all where Wayne Cochran & The C.C. Riders's (pictured in the bill above, top right) next engagement was for the following week--at New York's Apollo Theater! It was the first time I ever went to the Apollo. Also on the bill that week were The Marvelettes (headliners), Jackie Lee ("The Duck"), Deon Jackson ("Love Makes The World Go Around"). I was 10.
In light of the very last thing I said in the previous paragraph, here's another coincidence about that Baltimore Royal bill: my daughter (obviously, my stepdaughter--LOL!!!) Kim was born exactly one year later from the day that the Baltimore Royal show opened!
Little did I know--LOL!!!
09-19-2010, 03:46 AM
Mention made of Wayne Cochran ... so here he is again ....
King Curtis followed ... but where was the show ??
09-19-2010, 08:25 AM
Moving south again & going back onto the Beach ....
.... an early show for the 'full compliment' Impressions ....
09-20-2010, 04:48 AM
JB & the Impressions returned to build sandcastles a week later ....
... though this time they had a lot more 'friends' with them ......
09-20-2010, 05:34 AM
A Motown fave plays a gig in the same city as the Wayne Cochran gig shown above ...
I wonder if the 'Four Platters' had any connection to the Musicor Records 'Platters' ?
09-20-2010, 02:14 PM
Other 'visitors' up from the Motor City .......
09-20-2010, 03:37 PM
They didn't just visit from Detroit ....
.. here's a NY based group who also played shows in the city ....
09-21-2010, 03:41 AM
... and 9 months later, they were back ......
09-21-2010, 12:01 PM
And another show in the same city .......
.... though this time the star ain't a US soul singer ....
09-21-2010, 07:44 PM
Who was Lloyd Sims ??
I have him down as co-writer (along with Roquel Davis) of Chuck Berry's "Too Pooped to Pop [aka "Casey"], but otherwise I never heard of him .....
.. certainly not as a singer / performer .......
09-21-2010, 08:52 PM
Lloyd Sims released "I want To Know" in 1961,It hit #28 on the beach charts..
09-22-2010, 04:21 AM
Another group that also headed up 'north of the border' ....
.... this very accomplished outfit were from Philadelphia ....
... I have no idea what became of their lead singer though !!!
09-22-2010, 01:24 PM
Is that the same Rockhead in Montreal?
09-22-2010, 04:22 PM
It is the Montreal club.
All 7 ads above these posts were for shows staged in Montreal (as was Club Sahara).
Seems that Canadian audiences loved their soul (& calypso/ reggae) acts in the late 60's & 1970.
09-23-2010, 03:46 AM
Returning to another Baltimore show .....
... but once again its a Philly group ....
09-23-2010, 09:17 AM
I enjoy looking at old newspaper ads, trade ads, posters, etc. Has anyone check out the Globe Posters website?
They were out of Baltimore and did all the great, colorful posters back in the 50s, 60s, 70s.
It may be at: www.globeposters.com
09-23-2010, 09:43 AM
Still in Baltimore but 'back in time' again .....
... some Motown involvement this time ....
09-24-2010, 03:14 AM
Here's an example of Globe Posters work ........
..... and its a most appropriate one ........
09-24-2010, 10:15 AM
This thread has passed 2,700 views now ........
... so to celebrate I'll post another Motortown Revue poster ...
..... don't know how this one will go down though .....
09-25-2010, 03:39 AM
A poster for a big revue show in 1967 ........
... who's that lurking near bottom left ? ....
09-25-2010, 02:40 PM
Back to the Apollo where Mary topped the bill .........
09-25-2010, 03:31 PM
Do you guys already have this one?
09-26-2010, 03:54 AM
No real Motown artists on this Harlem bill .....
... but the Holidays were currently enjoying a 4 month stay on the charts ...
... and their label was about to be 'swallowed up' by Berry Gordy .....
... but the option on their contract wouldn't be taken up by Motown ...
09-27-2010, 04:09 AM
Back to DC and a bill that was topped by Otis Redding ...
.... also featured those 'Sweet Things' the Spinners .....
They were a long way from home over Xmas 64 & New Years.
09-27-2010, 05:05 PM
Post #147 of this thread featured a show on which the Capitol Records Soul Caravan appeared ........
.... here's a magazine article that deals with why the label instigated this revue package .......
The name of the female group on the Caravan was actually the Thrills !!!
Its a pity some other soul acts signed to Capitol at the time weren't also added to the revue line-up.
09-28-2010, 07:21 AM
A 1969 concert in New York & on the impressive bill .....
.... was ex Motown artist Kim Weston ......
09-28-2010, 04:19 PM
I guess those ladies of the Supremes would have been all over Jackie on this tour ....
09-29-2010, 05:15 AM
Marvin heads the cast on this bill ....
09-30-2010, 05:25 AM
Another old poster for a MotorTown Revue ....
10-01-2010, 11:22 AM
Marvin goes clubbing .......
10-02-2010, 03:01 AM
Did International Talent Management (ITM) ever place adds such as this one to solicit bookings ....
10-02-2010, 05:54 PM
January 1972 & just a matter of weeks after Damon Harris joined the Temptations
..... he heads back to his home town to play a gig .....
10-03-2010, 09:15 PM
Damon Harris & his dad ........
10-03-2010, 09:21 PM
JSmith, Jackie Wilson actually chaperoned the young Supremes briefly at one time.
10-04-2010, 01:28 PM
And heres an ad for the above show ....
10-06-2010, 08:23 AM
Mary Wells (& others) in DC ........
10-06-2010, 11:13 AM
The above poster must be from the late 60s! That's a late 60s photo of the Shirelles after Doris left in late '68. It is
a very old photo of Mary, but look at Ben E. King. Also, check out the price of tickets! It may even be from the
10-06-2010, 11:14 AM
Also, it probably IS from the 70s as it is billed as Rhythm & Blues Oldies Concert.
10-06-2010, 10:50 PM
If you look closely, the Shirelles photo in the above poster actually shows Doris, Micki, and Beverly. However, the photo is also cropped. The original photo shows all four members, including Shirley, who is seated in front of the other three.
The concert might have taken place during the period in the 70s when Shirley went on maternity leave, and Doris subbed for her. Or during the period when Doris took over for Shirley for good.
09-08-2011, 08:49 AM
Its a while since I posted anything up on this thread ....
.... but this Florida show certainly qualifies ....
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